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'Focus on the Family' Radio Program Wins Hall of Fame Spot

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

While many within the pro-gay community claim homosexuality is inherent, most within the conservative community believe it is a personal choice – as evidenced through the significant number of individuals who have left their past homosexual lifestyles and adopted heterosexual ones.

The “ex-gay movement” has particularly garnered a number of critics over the harmful nature of some forms of “reparative therapy.”

Dr. Dobson, who founded Focus on the Family in 1977, has been one of the most vocal opponents of gay “marriage” in America and is considered a powerful leader within the conservative evangelical community.

His comments on homosexuality, which are often picked up and blown up by the media, have made him an outstanding target for pro-gay activists.

TWO, which had led a campaign earlier in the year to keep Dobson out of the Hall of Fame, has vowed to protest the National Radio Hall of Fame & Museum’s annual dinner – to be held Nov. 8 in Chicago - over Focus on the Family's induction.

According to The Gazette newspaper in Colorado Springs, where Focus on the Family is based, Dobson plans to attend the Hall of Fame's formal induction ceremony.

Besides "Focus on the Family," the hall inducted radio personalities Art Bell, Howie Carr, Charlie Tuna, and Michael "Mickey" Luckoffi, head of San Francisco radio station KGOAM. Posthumous inductees included disc jockey Dick Whittinghill, and talk show hosts Jesse Cain and Bob Collins.

Voting for the 2008 Hall of Fame inductees this year was open to the general public for the first time, adding to votes generated by all active members of the Museum of Broadcast Communications and/or National Radio Hall of Fame and the over 2,000 radio historians and industry leaders selected to participate.

“Focus on the Family” is reportedly the first faith-based radio program to be inducted into the National Radio Hall of Fame.

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  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:03 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    What can I say about those who voted in Dobson? They are extremely intelligent and have a great sense of morals.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    daniel, that'll preach brother!!!

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "apparently have absolutely no capacity to integrate their social lives with their spiritual?"

    Now that's an example of the greatest point possible. The basis of the Christian faith is an exchange...our sinful lives for the life Christ has for us. It becomes the basis of our physical and social life...not just the spiritual. People who view their spiritual life as just one part of their lives do not understand the Gospel. Being Christian is having Christ at the heart. It is the processor which controls our social lives and all other aspects of our lives. It is the operating system by which all components run.

    Ignorance is poison. You seem to have enough to share there daverly....

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    daverly, could it be that mike2685 is still searching for answers to this very important issue in his life. And could you elaborate with what you mean by poisonous people?

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    oh yeah daverly - more than likely you haven't read through ALL the interactions that have taken place on this article. There have been tough talk as well as some lightheartedness. So rather then pulling the ignorant plug, get informed.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP -
    Thanks for the 6 thingy. Gotta love it!!

    Daverly-

    Unless you're going to provide some examples of our disaffectedness, get lost. Oh, you probably are lost... well, then... GET SAVED!

    Mike's been hanging tough I have to admit, but he's also got a sense of humor unlike a lot of you looney left lunatics.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike - I can appreciate how steadfast and patient you've been with the others on this site, (especially rolln4him), but I think you should question your own motives for doing so. What is the gain in engaging in a dialog with such people who are obviously so disaffected, angry, and apparently have absolutely no capacity to integrate their social lives with their spiritual?
    You've obviously been able to do so. Why bother with such poisonous people?

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I've been married for several years and my wife is just now starting to realize that I'm actually OK!"

    LOL. There's an old example in premaritial counseling. At every wedding there are 6 people getting married!

    1. The person you think you are
    2. The person they think you are
    3. The person you actuallly are
    4. The person they think they are
    5. The person you think they are
    6. The person they actually are

    Guess how many are left after a few years! It's amazing how 1,2,4 and 5 disappear! No matter what your goal is in marriage...make sure you understand 1,2,4 and 5 won't be there for the whole trip. Eventually, you'll be left with who the two of you actually are. It's one of those "where ever you go...there you are" sort of things.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike-

    Now hold your fudge brownies mister. Did I say anything about fights?

    I said knowing someone 6 months isn't sufficient time to get to know someone from squat. This is the case for any relationship, not just yours.

    I've been married for several years and my wife is just now starting to realize that I'm actually OK! Seriously, there are incalculable factors that go into a relationship: Family members, religion, pasts from both sides and on and on. 6 months is simply very surface. I mean verryyyy surface.

    The unfortunate part about some relationships is that they're doing it to prove a point, which I have sense is what's going on with gay marriage. They're out to prove something. Is this your case? I don't know, but time may or may not tell.

    As with your partner leaving the church because of the "know it alls" is unfortunate.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "has been completely turned off to church thanks to know it all christians."

    I know what you mean. This isn't just an issue with your friend or just with homosexuals. In any love relationship you want to do what is best for your partner. In my case, Jesus takes first priority. What he says is to take place over what I want or what my wife wants. In fact, we conform what we want to what He wants.

    What He wants is written in the Bible. It's clear. It doesn't matter if the relationship is gay or straight. When one or both people what Jesus wants in second place to either of the other...disaster happens. Maybe not now. Maybe not on this side of judgement. Still, the Bible says that's the way it is.

    So, Mike...here's the tough question. If Jesus himself appeared to you in a vision and told you to stop being a homosexual and leave your relationship...would you?

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, you don't know our relationship for diddle, so I'd appreciate you not telling me if there will or will not be fights, our communication is actually quite excellent. He believes in God, but has been completely turned off to church thanks to know it all christians.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I also knew a woman who fell in love with a man who was not a Christian, even though he attended church. She broke it off with him. there are things the Bible is clear about, even if we do not like it or understand why.

    Love is one of those things. We should not be yoked with unbelievers, and we should not seek our own, and we should not sin just because we are in love.

    Just because you love someone does not mean you should pursue it.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    For all we know, the wife would have been pleased to share her husband or to let him go without being hurt. The point is that there are appropriate times/situations to pursue love and appropriate times/situations not to.

    Just because you love someone does not mean you should pursue it.

    If God said to avoid certain sexual activities (and He did) and you engage in them, then you are doing something harmful to you and the person you claim to love. Double sins - going against what God said, and causing someone else to do so.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey Mike-

    There is something wrong with you having the kind of relationship with your partner, you're just not willing to hear the vast majority of us Christians telling you that it's not right.

    You've only been with him 6 months according to a previous posts and that's hardly long enough to know diddle. If in fact you're seeking God's will through this; trust me there will be clashing of serious proportions in this relationship. By the way, what's your partner's belief in relation to God?

    Side note: Those brownies had better not be gone! 400 killories a serving!!!!

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OK, but your friend going after a married man may have been in live, however it would have ended up in someone being hurt, so that wasn't love with the best of intentions. I love my partner and there isn't anything wrong with it, it isn't hurting anybody, so its fine and dandy to go ahead and "pursue."

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    This is a repost that I think applies here:
    I knew a woman who loved a man who was married. She stopped the relationship before it got further out of hand.

    I know a woman who thought herself lesbian. She no longer believes this and is happily married - she is my wife.

    Just because we think something is, does not make it so. Just because something seems like it will never change does not mean it will stay the same. Just because someone loves does not mean it should be pursued.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "A witch wb - seriously - you dabbled with being a witch?"

    Yes. I was a follower of Wicca. Three years. I'd rather not go into here, as I dont think this is an appropriate place for it (go to my blog http://wbmoore.wordpress.com and leave me a comment and I'll discuss it there or in email - of course I'll discuss it here in bits and pieces as apprpriate to the situation).

    I only mentioned it because the young man in the band is being honest with himself and God has used my spiritual journey to bring me to a saving faith in Christ and to help others and build my understanding of the spiritual world.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    wb-
    Thanks wb. I suppose I have to make light of my rather intense anger (holy anger hopefully). That's why I have you all to keep me in check. LOL

    A witch wb - seriously - you dabbled with being a witch?

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rolln4him,

    you're so funny! I love the line about not going to McD's.

    I also love how you are engaging.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    According to the Bible, when homosexuals have sex together, they are harming themselves.

    1 Corinthians 6:18-20 (NASB)
    Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

    The word for immorality is transliterated porneia. This is the same word Christ used.

    Mt 5:32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the cause of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

    Mt 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.

    Mt 19:9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.

    Mk 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,

    It refers to illicit sex - that which is prohibits in the Old Testament.
    Definition:
    1. illicit sexual intercourse
    a. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
    b. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
    c. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,
    2. metaph. the worship of idols
    a. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

    It is specifically NOT adultery, which is transliterated moicao.

    Additionally, because homosexual sex is a sin, you are causing your brother to stumble when you participate in it.
    1 Cor 10:31-32
    31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God

    So, according to the Bible, when a homosexual has sex with another homosexual, he is hurting himself and his partner - even if this is not obvious.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "to adopt a child who needs to get out of the foster care system, is anything but moral."

    The right motives in the wrong situation (not in line with what God says) is still wrong. It get's back to what I posted. It's either God's way or it's not. I am not in a position to question why God set things up the way He did. What I do know is that He did set things up as one man and one woman for life.

    Bottom line...His bat...His ball or you are not playing His game. Either He's God or He's not.

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    Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    from the aritcle:
    "It is an affront for the Radio Hall of Fame to honor James Dobson, a right wing demagogue, who built his radio empire on the backs of gay and lesbian people,” stated Wayne Besen, executive director of the group Truth Wins Out (TWO), the gay community’s response to Dobson’s Love Won Out ministry.


    “We vow to stand up and protest this outrageous insult and let the world know that Dobson is a dishonest, hatemongering ideologue,” he added in his released statement."

    If they believe that about Dr. Dobson, a hero of the Faith, then they most certainly believe that of all Servants of Christ Jesus.
    yep they will rise up and there allies with the anti-christ leading them and persecute the Faithful unto death. This is Prophecy. gotta happen. Cant be stopped.

    o ya most important, that is how they think of Christ Jesus and his Father and the Holy Spirit.

    John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
    Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
    Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
    Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
    Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
    Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
    Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
    Joh 15:23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
    Joh 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
    Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
    Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
    Joh 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike
    the committed sexual relationship is immoral you your self said the law of the Bible prohibited it.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OK, so Christ stood up for moral law. Certainly, there are many gays who practice immoral things, as there are many straights. I don't see how being in a committed relationship, saving up financially to adopt a child who needs to get out of the foster care system, is anything but moral. That is selflessness, that is love for a child, when you are saving up to support them, yet you don't even know them.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Answer me this: Can love, in its most perfect form, be a sin?"
    no, Mike it can not be for as I pointed out love is an action not a feeling. It is something we do, not what we feel. furhtermore with us being sinful we are not capable to perfect love, only Christ did.
    sorry for all the back to back post, but it will not let me post very much at once

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    " Again, love cannot be a sin"
    yes it can I hope you read my post to this earlier when you had questions about it.

    "Jesus never talked about homosexuality"
    He might not have directly from his mouth, but then again if all things spoken form his mouth was written it would be a very, verry, very, big Bible. His teaching and Truths he Said would be with the apostle , to which Paul himself spoke to homosexuality,. As you pointed out the laws of the Bible did not condone it either. What jesus meant by no longer the laws apply to you, does not mean thAT MORAL Laws no longer are valued to live by(FOR CHRIST STOOD UP FOR MORAL LAW), but that since the laws are to hard for any man to achieve, simply to believe in Christ is suffecient to get you into Heaven. Dieatry guidelines and sacrifice that was to help keep you clean were wiped away because Christ blood now does that for you.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "To me, the concept of gays and lesbians being in consensual, committed relationships just wasn't happening back then because everyone went by the laws of the Bible, which said you would be put to death for it."
    Why did they take it so serious if it was not deemed sinful? you just said it was against the law of the Bible!!

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike -

    Hey, mike - just don't go to McDonalds for lunch. Right? Help us out some, would ya!

    Once again, are you saying that all pedophiles go for the sexual aspects only and not the relational aspect? If you're implying yes, then you're not educated on the topic at all. It may be partly because you are thinking only America. There are cultures that exist today that have a thriving pedophile culture - Saudia Arabia is just one that was in the new recently that supports pedophiles and marry as young as 2 years old (no sex apparently until puberty though - yea, right). I've said on other posts that the gay magazine "The Advocate" in it's non-mainstream days had long advertised trips to pedophile and child prostitution areas for their gay readers to go to. They stopped those advertising once the media started scrutinizing the gay publication and so they dropped the political baggage to help the cause move forward. Trust me, they'll resume again.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, the most perfect form of love is agape love, a Christ-like love for both God and others. Eros love is a self-fulfilling form of love and this is where sexual love falls and not in the area of agape love. If your love for your partner is purely agape love, then you're absolutely right there is no sin in that, but it is the sexual or eros love that becomes the sin when it is taken outside the boundaries of a marriage of one man to one woman.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Welcome back Mike. I was kind enough to not post 'sons of hell' refering to some of the posts. This site has taught me more about the sin of the 'saints' than it has about the sin of the 'sinners'.... Maybe that's why Jesus hung out with the 'sinners'.

    "Homosexuality, in and of itself, does harm to no one."

    This is the one point that drives things home. Those of us who are Christians realize that sin caused Jesus to be murdered on the cross. No matter how we justify our sin...it still harmed Jesus to death. It doesn't matter if it's homosexuality or anything else. Sin does and did harm Jesus.

    We either accept this foundation of the Gospel and love Jesus enough to hate sin as He does -or- we do not understand the Gospel.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You believe what you want, I'll believe what I know, and I'll cya in heaven. I'm going to get lunch, peace.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnny-
    Great stuff. I agree with you that it's common sense knowledge Jesus didn't have to speak directly about. I've stated before, that one who accepts homosexuality as normal must defy COMMON SENSE. That's why there are atheists that have difficulty with the gay agenda, because it just doesn't work! Anatomically speaking, the human body is design specifically for sexual functional and procreation to work and work well it does! LOL

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rolln, if you call quoting NAMBLA a study, then you have something else coming to you. Pedophilia will not gain social acceptance, it has at its root forcing yourself upon a child and we know that is causes lasting emotional scarring. Homosexuality was long thought of as only the sexual act. It was taken off the DSM because the more home studies that were conducted and the more society realized that homosexuals were just as normal a couple as a straight couple, they realized they had nothing to fear. Pedophiles should be feared, for they do hurt children. I have asked repeatedly and you have not given me an answer rolln, who do gays hurt?

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    Mike2685--

    First, two men cannot share love "in its perfect form", because God did not design it that way. That perfect love he reserved for a husband and his wife, it exists between a man and a woman. What you are engaging in is a corruption of what God intended, and it is exactly why the Apostle Paul condemns homosexuality repeatedly (and I know the underlying Koine Greek and I have numerous Greek Lexicons, so don't tell me that the Greek doesn't really mean homosexual - it does. There was no exact word for "homosexuality" in Greek, because such relations weren't accepted as equal to male and female relations - but Paul uses the words for men who engage in sexual relations as either the active or passive partner - that was the only way he *could* describe homosexuality in Koine Greek).

    God created them "male and female", and anything outside of that is abomination. It is spoken in the Old Testament and confirmed in the New Testament repeatedly (Romans, 1 Corinthians, 1 Timothy). Stop lying to yourself, you know the truth, just as every person walking the planet does. This is why homosexuality has *always* been a cultural taboo, in every culture throughout history (even the Greeks did not accept it like revisionist historians would like one to believe). The natural law is written in man's heart, as Paul says. People know right from wrong instinctively, and it is why homosexuality inspires revulsion in the majority of people in the majority of cultures in the majority of countries - and it always has.

    There can be nothing of "God" in a homosexual relationship, it is only deception. It is listening to false teaching with itching ears if someone is telling you otherwise. It is not a lifestyle that can ever reflect God's glory or his intention and will - that makes it against God, and that makes it perverse. Abomination. That's why that word was used.

    Jesus didn't speak about "homosexuality" because it wasn't even necessary to discuss it. It was a non-issue. A non-starter. It was a cultural taboo in Judaism from the beginning and would never have been accepted - it was a stoning offense in Jewish Law. Jesus didn't speak about it for the same reason he didn't speak about necrophilia or bestiality. He *didn't have to*. It was *assumed* (or presumed). The only argument that could be made for homosexuality in that context would have been if Jesus *specifically* said something that argued for it - which would have been overturning Mosaic Law. Sort of like how he modified the understanding of the Sabbath, or the Fourth Commandment, etc. But he never did. Because Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, and he would have accepted exactly what God said about homosexuality - that it was abomination.

    The only option open to a homosexual who truly loves God and wishes to serve him, is to struggle against their sinful inclination and to remain celibate. Anything else is sin.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-
    mike- funny how you haven't provided any studies. I gave you Nambla, but that doesn't satisfy you. There was another study posted earlier, but obviously you're not content with that either. How many more do you need?

    At least you admit that things change. I'm telling you that pedophiles will gain mainstream acceptance after "more studies" as you'd say prove otherwise. Things do change, but God does not. Homosexuality is sin. Period.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thepenitent....one most certainly does question God, because we are not pots. We have a brain and think critically, and this is a situation in which I have thought long and hard and have prayed long and hard about. It makes no sense that God would give me these desires and ability to love, then say "oops, but you can't act on them!" That's like a father putting a beer in front of you, then saying "Oops, if you really loved me, you wouldn't drink that." If you really love your children, you do everything you can to make their lives better. You give them things that will enhance their lives. God gave me the ability to love another man and create a home that is stable and we can raise children who need to be adopted together. To me, that is a gift.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rolln, and things change. With more studies, it was taken off the list because studies have shown it is not a disorder (homosexuality is not harmful to the person or to others around...things like schizophrenia and pedophilia are harmful to the person and those around them.) Plus, you scoff at me, but what research have you contributed, besides harping on NAMBLA?

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    donny-

    Cases? What are you talking about - are you assuming something here.

    It was a general question of whether or not a certain lifestyle was healthy or not.

    I actually feel rather blessed to have open friendly dialogue with my doc. He's a great man of God.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    donny -

    Are you saying that anal sex is healthy and natural? Are you saying that doctor/patient relationships are only restricted to exams and no personal conversation allowed?

    Mike-
    Your research is weak. oh, remember the days APA documented that being gay was abnormal. Oh, have things change. LOL

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    If one truly believes himself to be born homosexual, and they cannot have normal heterosexual relations, then the only Christian alternative is to remain celibate. One can express and receive love without sexual relations and many have gone through life without sex. While you may not believe this is fair, it’s what God has commanded and the pot does not question the potter.
    I know what this entails. I am an alcoholic who has not had a drink in many years. I was born an alcoholic and I can’t drink without getting drunk. I was a controlled alkie and drank at home and didn’t drive drunk. My drinking was not adversely affecting my life. I loved alcohol just as much as I (or anyone else) loved sex. However I had to acknowledge I was engaging in unrepentant sin and I could not be a true Christian if I continued to drink. I whined to God that it wasn’t fair that I couldn’t enjoy a glass or two of wine like others and would have to give up alcohol forever. But…..there it was, I had to decided which I loved more alcohol or Jesus. I choose Jesus.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rolln4him

    i think you should seek a new doctor, not only is he/her knowledge questionable, any doctor that would discuss the medical cases of others is wasting his/her time and yours . and others while you are sitting there gossiping, others are sitting in the waiting room.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, you are hopeless. I do not have to ask every psychologist, because I have taken child psychology and have many friends in the field with whom we have had in depth discussions. Pedophilia is about power over another individual. We KNOW, without question, that pedophilia causes children extreme emotional and sometimes physical harm, especially in their later adult life. If I have consensual sex with another man, there is no emotional harm. Could you risk injury if you have anal sex? Sure, but there are many in the gay community, myself included, who do not practice it. Homosexuality, in and of itself, does harm to no one.

    James, homosexuality isn't referenced in the Bible in terms of committed relationships, but when it is referenced, it is talking about ritualistic disrespect for God in terms of denying that your body is his temple. Degrading yourself through orgies is sinful, of course. Allowing yourself to feel love for your partner, when you are committed, and that love cannot harm the other person, is not sinful. Again, love cannot be a sin.

    Jesus never talked about homosexuality, but he did talk about prostitution, and he talked about it being better that you were never born than to harm a child, and he talked about stealing and lying. if homosexuality were such a magnificent abomination, so much so that by me loving my partner I would still go to hell, then why didn't Jesus speak about it? To me, the concept of gays and lesbians being in consensual, committed relationships just wasn't happening back then because everyone went by the laws of the Bible, which said you would be put to death for it.

    Answer me this: Can love, in its most perfect form, be a sin?

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:37 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Inter racial marriage was allowed in the Bible, When Solomon married the Queen of Sheba is just one reference I am sure of. I for one am glad because my wife is a beautiful black women, and I am white. Could you please reference a homosexual couple that was condoned in the Bible? Could you please show me where it says women treat your women or men treat your men in any marriage reference? you said that movie refernced homosexuality in the Bible so where is it?

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-
    There is someone that posts on CP that feels that pedophilia is NOT a sin, based on the premises you talked about - love and committed. Do you know who it is???

    I respect his thoughts more than yours because he's consistent in his logic; whereas you are only out to justify YOUR lifestyle, he is applying his logic across the board.

    Bestiality is another "sexual orientation". You may not like it - only because it hinders progress in acceptance , but that's what they will be claiming.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 10

    mike-

    I for you not being able to change yourself - you're right. You alone can not do the changing, it's the work of the Holy Spirit that works through you. But it can only happen after you repent from your same-sex sexual relationship.

    Research? Did you talk to ALL psychologist? You say talk to any psychologist - then I assume that YOU HAVE?

    I'm merely stating what the peds say about how they feel. Much like the gays say about how others don't understand their heart towards their partner. ONe of the themes the gay agenda pushes is "what right do you have to tell me who I love". The peds are just saying the same thing.

    Also, the analogy of sin with homosexuality is one I've heard before. You can be 100 yards from the boat or an arm length outside the boat - you're still out of the boat. God didn't say sex with the same gender was OK if you're love commitment was there. He said it's a sin period. It doesn't take a Phd to figure that anatomically speaking, to have sex with the same gender is simply not natural. In fact, it has been proven to be unhealthy - according to my own doctor.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, I've posted you at the exodus site. Interrracial marriage has been condoned throughout the Bible. So this was not a new development. Whereas, same-sex marriage is a recent development in the Judeo-Christian society and perhaps throughout the world. And while I share your views about pedophilia, those who live that lifestyle are just as adamant about their right to have their lifestyle seen as legitimate as those in both the heterosexual and homosexual lifestyle do about their lifestyles.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, that is a loaded question. I have explained before, my biggest comfort in reconciling who I am and who I have not been able to change from with the Bible was by watching the movie "For the Bible Tells me So" which talks exclusively and professionally about homosexuality in the Bible. When it was referenced, it was talking about Pagan ritualistic homosexuality in which orgies were had as a way of worship to one another. That makes sense to me as being a sin, as it takes away from God. Do I think the love I have for my partner is a sin? No. Again, I have experienced love and lust, and we all know there is a clear difference, and I think love is one of the most powerful forces to overcome evil. I don't think the devil can overtake love, but he can certainly overtake weaknesses in our hearts. Love does not hurt anyone. if a pedophile says they love a child, its obvious the harm they cause the child later in life. Can I get angry with my partner and become spiteful? Absolutely, as can any couple in love, but when you are experiencing that love, so deeply, that you only want what is best for them, there is no sin in the matter.

    Rolln, what do you mean in saying I am obviously not doing my research? Ask any psychologist and they will tell you pedophilia is usually about power over another individual, usually resulting from them being perpetrated as children themselves. Keeping in mind NAMBLA is not at all research based, do you have research that says otherwise?

    Believer, the same thing could have been said for interracial marriage (in fact, it was.) Again, we already have polygammy, although I don't know enough about it (didn't they already marry in Utah?) and pedophilia isn't about love, as I said previously.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Congrats to Dr. Dobson. FOF has been an encouraging and positive ministry for my family. This is well deserved.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, I'm glad to see you've cooled down and I do understand why you got so bent out of shape. And like you I know pedophiles can come in all shapes and sizes regardless of their sexual orientation. But I at the same time see the concern for what will happen if the present definition of marriage is changed to allow for same-sex marriages. Once the parameters are stretched what's to keep us from stretching them further, where do we stop stretching and finally say no more. Because the very arguments that are being used to condone same-sex marriage can also be used to condone other forms of marriage. It's much like the domino effect theory that was used to condone the war in Viet-Nam. So since same-sex marriage is seen as the high-water mark in this battle, it has caused both sides to pull-out all the stops to either stop or allow same-sex marriages to be legalized.

  • Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike-
    In regards to pedophiles - since you are not one - for which we're thankful - then how can you presume that they do it for control and sex only. Do you know the heart of a pedophile? Obviously you're not doing your research.

    As with homosexuality and Christianity, I suppose I should ask you straight up: Is being an active homosexual a sin?

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