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Gay Bishop Must Resign or Confess, Says Sudan Church Head

By Maria Mackay|Christian Today Reporter

CANTERBURY, England – The head of the Anglican church in Sudan said on Tuesday that unity could be restored to the troubled Anglican Communion only when the openly gay Bishop Gene Robinson resigns or confesses he has "made a mistake" in embracing homosexuality.

  • Robinson
    (Photo: AP Images / Sang Tan)
    Gene Robinson, center, openly gay bishop of New Hampshire, United States, acknowledges the applause from the congregation during a Sunday service at St Stephen's Field in Canterbury, England, Sunday, July 20, 2008. The service is held, as an alternative to the Lambeth Conference's Sunday service held at Canterbury Cathedral earlier, to celebrate the gifts of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Christians in the Anglican Communion.

The Most Rev. Dr. Daniel Deng Bul told reporters at the Lambeth Conference, the once-a-decade gathering of Anglican bishops, that Robinson “should resign for the sake of the Church.”

“We consider him as a human being. We are not throwing him away. But he is supposed to resign to allow the Church to be united,” he said. “The norms of the Anglican Communion have been violated.”

He added that those involved with Robinson's consecration also had to confess.

"We as Christians always forgive one another and confess whenever we make mistakes. If they could do that that would help the Anglican world."

Just under a quarter of Communion's bishops have boycotted the Conference in protest of the attendance of pro-gay clergy. The absent bishops, largely conservative church leaders from the Global South, held an alternative summit in Jerusalem last month, the Global Anglican Future Conference (GAFCON).

“I think there is already a breakdown of the Anglican Communion,” the Sudanese archbishop said. “Three hundred bishops have stayed away from this conference because of Gene Robinson. Shouldn’t Gene Robinson resign to allow the 300 bishops to come back to the house?”

In an official statement issued earlier on Tuesday, the Episcopal Church of Sudan said that it could not accept church leaders who practice contrary to the biblical teaching on sexuality.

The Archbishop reaffirmed that position to reporters, saying: "God is not making a mistake creating Adam and Eve. He would have created two Adams if he wanted. But we are saying now God is wrong in creating the different sex. That is a concern.”

Conservative leaders had called for a "heartfelt repentance" and "genuine change" from the U.S. Epsicopal Church in the years following the 2003 consecration of Robinson. Last September, The Episcopal Church offered to exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of openly gay candidates, while still committing to the rights of gays and lesbians and their full inclusion. Many conservatives were disappointed and saw no change in the U.S. church's position.

Still, the Sudanese Archbishop stressed that he and other conservative leaders in the Global South wanted the Anglican Communion to remain united.

“I am here to say let the Anglican world be united. That is my position. I am calling even GAFCON to come back to the Anglican world.”

He also warned that the ordination of homosexual clergy and blessing of same-sex couples in the U.S. Episcopal Church had damaged the standing of the Bible and Christians in majority-Muslim countries.

“We are called infidels by the Islamic world … It will give them an upper hand even to kill our people,” he said.

More than 600 bishops have gathered at the University of Kent in Canterbury for the Lambeth Conference. The meeting will run until August 3 and cover a range of issues, including social justice, the environment, human sexuality and the draft Anglican Covenant.

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  • Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh wait, sorry, didn't read the article properly: Rev. Dr. Daniel Deng Bul is the orthodox clergyman.

    Robinson is aka. Broke Back Rob

  • Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:02 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike2685,

    "Shameful and deplorable? HA! I bet someone could say the same about yours if they were to only focus on your shortcomings."

    That may be, but I do not rationalize my shortcomings. Rather, I acknowledge them and repent of them.

  • Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Most Rev. Dr. Daniel Deng Bul aka. 'Broke Back Gary'

    Lol.

  • Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Shameful and deplorable? HA! I bet someone could say the same about yours if they were to only focus on your shortcomings.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike2685,

    "I'm well aware of what scripture says, regardless, its clear you don't know many gay people of you're walking around putting the blanket statement of perverse on us."

    If you are aware of what scripture says, then your gripe is with Jesus, Paul, and the church in general - not me in particular. As for me clearly not knowing many gay people... how many do I need to know? Actually, I've known several who I knew quite well; a good friend of mine from college was gay; one of my uncles was gay. And while they are wonderful, caring people, their homosexual lifestyle was shameful and deplorable.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    No one is arguing whether it is a pleasant thing or not. We are simply stating it is a sin according to God and you hurt yourself, your partner, and possibly others. To walk in a lifestyle of sin is to walk in darkness and not light.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Yes, but for anyone who truly knows and loves someone who is gay (i.e. my parents) they come to see that there is nothing bad about my relationship, although they once thought so because they didn't know anyone who is gay. Something like alcoholism or pedophilia you know is bad because you can see that damage it does to the person you love, but my family can only see love growing between my partner and I.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike, just because someone recognizes an action as bad does not mean that person does not know or love people who do that action.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:07 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I'm well aware of what scripture says, regardless, its clear you don't know many gay people of you're walking around putting the blanket statement of perverse on us.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:07 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mike 2685,

    Scripture calls homosexual behavior as acts against nature, shameful lusts, shameless acts, perversity, etc; i.e., gravely depraved.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    mike2685,

    "I always love the wording "gravely depraved." It makes gays sound like a bunch of monsters that go around sucking the life out of the people they sleep with."

    Only if you don't understand what 'grave' and 'depraved' mean. Nevertheless, that is what homosexual acts are. Of course, this does not preclude God's immense love for you, or how he longs for you to come to him with godly sorrow which leads to repentance... to come in response to his gracious invitation in heartfelt faith, pleading the blood of His Son in atonement for your sins. God loves you and desires that you come to the knowledge of the truth.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I always love the wording "gravely depraved." It makes gays sound like a bunch of monsters that go around sucking the life out of the people they sleep with.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike2685,

    As a Catholic, you are bound by sacred scripture and apostolic tradition as presented to you by the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church clearly and unambiguously teaches that homosexual acts are gravely depraved and can in no way ever be approved. So regardless of whether you read the scriptures yourself or your priest reads it to you during the Mass, the result is the same.

    As for Jesus coming down to shake you one way or the other, He already has. When teaching on the issue of marriage to His disciples, He states, "that God made them at the beginning made them MALE and FEMALE, and for this reason, a MAN shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE, and the two shall become one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, let no man separate."

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Why was my post from this morning flagged?

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    James,

    Thanks for that good summary of what I was saying.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    I agree with you. which drives wbmoores argument even further that sexual sins does eventually cause harm to individuals even the innocent.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    james, I agree that all sexual diseases are ultimately a result of sin and you're right about the sin being committed outside of one's marriage vows or before marriage, but there are some people who may obtain one of these diseases as a result of the sexual sin of someone else. And sadly in many cases they might not even know they have it and may inadvertently pass it on to their spouse.

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    any type sex transmitted dieseases are penalty for not behaving in which God said no sex before marriage. This goes for both sexes. If both people only had sex with their marriage partner no sex disease would be transmitted, except by transfusion or drug use

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "if one lives by three commandments he is being led by the spirit......the spirit of love, love that is god.

    why then the need for the ten..............except as paul says for "conscious."

    the holy spirit drives your conscious...therefore the old law still applies to our behaviour, if one can perfect love (which we can't because of sinful nature) yes all commandments would be fulfilled that is why Christ emphasized these.
    "would you have us go back to the old relationship to the written code of the old covenant, or instead embracing the new led by love and under grace."

    As said before the new law simply means to believe in Christ to take our sins upon himself because we can not fulfill the laws ourselves, not that we are no longer to try. Trying is what brings us to santification or becoming like Christ.

    "but if you actively follow the three commandments of love of god, neighbor, self, and one another as christ loved us, you not only follow the law, you fulfill it as well. fulfillment of the law being love"

    you would be right, but then I would have to call you Christ, because He is the only one who perfected Love.. I can not and you can not, that is why the new law exist. Remember it was asked which of the commandments was greater, not which ones are the only ones I should follow. Christ pointed to the Love commandments because if you could keep these then the others would also be kept for if you love someone you will not murder them, you would not committ adultry, you would not covet if you love yourself the way god made you life...etc

  • Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike,

    "I was born and raised Catholic, and as you might know, Catholics kind of rely on the priest who reads from teh Gospel then gives a homily to get their fill of the Bible, so I would venture that Catholics are the least Biblically versed of all Christians."

    Not sure what the point of this statement is... as a Catholic, you are bound by the sacred scriptures and apostolic tradition as presented and taught to you by the Catholic Church. And the Catholic Church unequivocally teaches that homosexual acts are gravely wrong and can never be approved. Similarly, marriage is a sacrament and is between one man and one woman. So regardless of whether you read the scriptures for yourself or the priest reads it to you, the result is the same. As for you waiting for Jesus to come down and shake you one way or the other - He's already done that. He has stated that marriage is between a man and a woman when He addressed the issue of marriage with his disciples - "that God who made them at the beginning made them MALE and FEMALE, and for this reason, a MAN shall leave is father and mother and cleave to his WIFE, and the two shall become one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined, let no man separate."

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer - check this world net daily article out. I think you will find it interesting:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39253

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thanks believer for filling the gap - I had to make a nug.. oopps- I mean I been getting tied up .

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike2685, yes we teach them to wear seat belts, but we also teach them that even wearing seatbelts won't always protect you if you drive wrecklessly or speed. What they are being told is since we can't trust you not to have sex before you get married please use a condom. What they don't tell them in many cases is that there are a number of STDs like genital herpes that a condom can not protect you and that they are not 100% protection against either pregnancy or the STDs they are supposed to protect you from.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike2685, God promised to never again destroy the world by flood, but unless you know a passage I'm not aware of, He never said anything about disease not being a consequence for sinful behavior. But on the other hand we can't assume that disease is always the consequence of a person's sinful behavior. But all disease is the consequence of the sinful world we live in.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685 and hlerwin, recently a well known homosexual rights advocate, I did not catch his name so I hope you'll trust me on this one, came out at a meeting and said that although around the world AIDS/HIV is not a gay problem, here in the USA it is considering that 72% of the cases involve gay men. I'm not saying it is a punishment or judgement from God but it is a statistic and fact that cannot be ignored.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mike- I think your Catholic background is showing and your scripture is not being referenced. Would you share with us the scripture that states: "God's covenant promised that never again would he send a plague or anything of the sort to wipe out sinners?!"

    Also, no one knows WHERE Aids originated, so ....

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Not to mention, God's covenant promised that never again would he send a plague or anything of the sort to wipe out sinners, so it could not come from him as a punishment.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Not how it became known, that was not my question. Of course it became known in the 80's when many gay men contracted the disease, but do you believe it was created by God to be a punishment for sinning? It did not BEGIN with gay men, and it was never isolated to only gay men. I would not deny that the gay community, especially in the US, has not done what it needs to protect itself, but again, you cannot call this a punishment for gays, or else it would have started and been contained to the gay community.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-

    How it became known as a "gay disease" is quite simple: It predominantly occurs among gay cultures. Are you denying this?

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, I'm not taking it personally, I'm trying to sort this through: In plain english, do you believe AIDS is a gay punishment, and/or do you believe gays are to blame for AIDS?

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Rolln, I hope my children will not have sex until they're committed to someone they love, i really do. That is something most parents tell their children. They also tell their children not to speed or drive wrecklessly, but thats not going to stop them, and so we buy our children cars with seat belts, airbags, and the best crash ratings they can get. Telling kids not to have sex isn't going to always work either, and so we teach them about condoms so they can protect themselves, just as we teach them to use seatbelts to protect themselves.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Gay issue or not is irreverent. Now Mike you have a tendency for taking posts personally, so please don't. We're not talking about you and your partner specifically.

    If you think it through logically, it makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, in a fallen and unrepentant world it's not possible. So therefore we all have to live with the diseases handed to us.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    But that makes it sounds like a gay issue, and its not. My partner and I can have anal sex and be perfectly healthy, because we are practicing it in a safe MONOGAMOUS way. The problem is mainly promiscuity, drug use, and unclean blood going around. To say it would go away sheerly from monogamy is foolish, as it didn't start as a sexual disease.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    As an agenda from Planned Parenthood (this evil organization) safe sex is the most laughable piece of crock out there. It's a farce - period. For the Christian it's unthinkable. If you follow the will of God, there's no need for supposed "safe sex". I can't even imagine enjoying God's creation of sex if I were to ever have to use "safe sex" practices for God's sake. What a lifestyle and a JOKE!

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-
    I never presume God. Or I at least try not to do this. God works in ways we may never understand.

    Some get AIDS some don't. When we say "their due penalty" we're simply stating that their lifestyle alone will, by it's very nature, create problems. I've said this before, gay sex is unhealthy. Period.

    We do know this however, AIDS/HIV is the only disease that would die out if everyone would be monogamous.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oooppss. Sorry mike, I didn't mean to pull the "cloth" from out from under you there. One of the disadvantages of the "delete" function.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    mike and herlwin-
    I would have to say that thepenitent "has" you guys. Implying is going to make you look bad. I know that you're fervent to protect your side, but you are wrong here.

    I have worked in the health care field in a major city for several years during the "peak" times of AIDS/HIV and remember handing grocery bags of meds to victims of the disease - most WERE gay and yes there were innocent victims. One of those happened to be a close friend - nurse who was pricked. Though we will get heated during this debate/discussion, as a Christian, and as a friend to some of those gay victims, I still held to what scripture says: "they received in themselves their due penalty" in a worldly sense, but in a spiritual sense I was able to witness a few come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    rolln, you cannot, logically, say gays get aids as a punishments. Either all gays would then get AIDS, or no straights would get it. Penitent is foolish, I hope you won't join his ranks and twist the Bible this way

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    suggest and imply mean the exact same thing penitent...am I the one embarrassing myself, or are you just grasping at straws to try and come out on top of someone you see as being underneath you?

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Oh, so now I've "implied" it. How many times you gonna change your story? Your embarrassing yourself.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    =0 Who told you about Homo 101, that was supposed to be a secret...those gays and coming out about everything, I'll tell ya...


    thepenitent, really? You truly believe yourself to be Christian the way you are carrying on? You didn't say it was only a gay thing, but you implied it. When you say gays have it within themselves, but say nothing about the thousands of others who have HIV, you're kind of putting words in your mouth without anyone else having to.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:07 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I never said "only" gays get it. Typical gay tactic, putting words in someones mouth and bashing them for what they didn't say. They must teach that in Homo 101

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Of course, thepenitent may be delusional enough to think that that unbaptised baby went to Hell anyway. Some people think (or used to think) that way.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike, I guess thepenitent thinks that HIV-pos dead baby had to answer for 6 months of miserable living (AND 6 months of sin).

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ...its not a penalty only gays receive, it is something anyone can get, through unsafe sex, through blood transfusions, through trying to save someone's life when there are bodily fluids present without gloves...how shameful of you to speak of it as only a gay penalty.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    That doesn't change the fact it is a penalty gays receive in themselves. Repent.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    thepenitent, you might be interested to know, AIDS did not start with gay men at all, nor does it afflict only gay men. To suggest that AIDS is "the gay cancer" as it was so nicely called in the 80's is absurd and unscientific.

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And gluttony is a sin that shows! O, Lord.........

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    thepenitent - I like you more and more and I think you and I are on the same channel from what I've read of your posts.

    AIDS and now it's going to be an incredible increase of heart disease from trying to eat all the burgers and fries from McDonalds to make up for the boycotters. May the Lord have mercy!

  • Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I always figured Paul was referring to AIDS (prophecy)when he said gay males would "receive IN THEMSELVES due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:27)

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