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Baptist Pastors in West Face Decline and in South, Poverty

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

The biggest problem a pastor faces depends on where the minister is located, speakers at the Baptist World Alliance annual conference shared this week.

For pastors in North America, the greatest challenge is the cultural shift away from Christianity, said David Laubach, the North American presenter at the BWA workgroup about church health and effectiveness.

Five decades ago, 80 percent of Americans attended church regularly, Laubach said, according to the Associated Baptist Press. Now, the number has fallen between 20 and 42 percent depending on self-reported attendance or actual Sunday seat counts.

Moreover, three-quarters of U.S. churches report a membership plateau or decline. Out of the churches that are growing, nearly a quarter are doing so by taking members from declining churches. Only one percent of U.S. churches are growing by attracting new members from the unchurched population.

"Shrinking resources, absence of biological growth, aging mainline denominational populations, mobility, consumerist/entertainment culture, a sometimes-hostile environment, increased pastoral expectations and role overload, dramatically shifting ecclesiology, church change and conflict" are some of the stress North American pastors face, Laubach said.

He noted that the stress faced by “emotionally drained pastors” can cause them to “succumb to moral failure and personal and family breakdown.”

But churches in east Europe and South America, in contrast, are reporting growth.

Bulgarian pastors and those in many former communist nations in east Europe are seeing rapid growth, but face the problem of not being able to keep up with the demand for trained leaders, said speaker Teodor Oprenov.

Another issue for Eastern Europe Baptists is that their growth spurt has caused animosity from Christian traditions with deep roots in the country, such as the Orthodox Church.

The government in Bulgaria, for example, is said to tacitly or openly discriminate against Baptist pastors in favor of Orthodox clergies.

Baptist pastors also face discrimination in Chile, but their greatest difficulty is poverty, Rachael Contraras, the Latin American representative, said. Many Chilean Baptist pastors lack education and are poor, making it difficult for them to reach out to well-educated young adults. Their lack of education and inexperience also can reflect poorly on the denomination when they are invited by the government to participate in social work, she said.

"Their income is very low compared to the people in his church and in society in general. He will live in a society in which everyone has a car, but he won't. Others will have houses, but he will not. He will live in a parsonage. Not having a place to live in retirement, he will preach until he dies," Contraras noted.

Many Baptist pastors in Chile have to work long hours at a secular job to support their families. The stress from managing two jobs has caused these pastors health problems such as ulcers, burnout and depression, she said.

Other topics discussed at the BWA meeting included an organizational restructuring proposal, human trafficking, international relief and an open letter from Muslim leaders.

The Baptist World Alliance gathering took place in Prague, July 20-25.

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  • Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It's true, believer. You and I do not know one another, but I think - if we did - you would never say that I haven't "got a clue" about Southern Baptists. One of my grandmothers was named Lottie because she was born while Lottie Moon was on furlough from China in my great-grandparents' hometown. The week she was born, my grandmother was held in Lottie Moon's arms all through that first Sunday school morning.

  • JHS »
    Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer


    I live in baptist country, and with the exception of a few, most southern baptist I know are ardent republican, who will vote against their economic interest because they are worried about a couple of hot chicks holding hands and hooking up. There is a reason why it's still called the southern baptist convention, because it's still a majority southern church where we have the highest divorce rates,unwed mothers, over weight and uneducated groups than any other place in the country.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    jhs and hlerwin, spoken like two people who haven't got a clue when it comes to Baptists and Southern Baptists in particular.

  • DRJ »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:18 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jesus told His disciples (and told them to teach all things that He has commanded) that one of the signs of the end times would be easy to see. "The love of many will wax cold." Do you suppose He meant mankind's ability to love others would cease? Or do you imagine He was referring to mankind's ability to love the Word of God? Of course, if you don't love the Word of God, nothing else really matters in terms of relationships with others. Jesus also posed a rhetorical question to His disciples when He asked, "When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on the earth?" This wisdom suggests that the number of true believers (followers of the Word) will be dramatically small. Be sure you are among those who have given up your lives for the sake of the Gospel (accepting and sharing the love of God), and in so doing receive the inheritance of eternal life with Jesus in heaven.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Like the man who moved from Georgia to Alabama and improved the average IQ of both states?

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Why Rick Warren stays in the Southern Baptist convention I do not know, if his church did leave, the entire I.Q. of the SBC would drop 25%

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Not to mention the new, Republican-approved racism. How could the entire South go Republican? Most southerners are too ignorant and ill informed to grasp the tenets of the national Republican party. But we recognize racism when we see it - and we flock to THAT!

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    It's not about numbers at all. God has always called us to believe in Him and love Him and obey Him. He has always kept a remnant of his people. He will continue to do so.

    Its not about being relevant, its about being God's people. As we move toward God, we wil become more like Christ. As we become more like Christ, we will both call sin what it is and love more, simultaneously. As we move towards God, we will show our love to others. As we love more and become more like Christ, we will either become more attractive to people or more repulsive to people.

  • Rhys »
    Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:11 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Perhaps numbers don't say it all. The Lord is much more interested in quality than quantity.
    Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
    Jesus was continually saying things that offended some and made them leave off following Him. He didn't worry about the numbers. He preached to multitudes and to the upper classes but concentrated His efforts on a few uneducated lower-class men.
    Those who are offended by what the Bible teaches, (including about homosexuality), are indeed voting with their feet - voting to choose sin over righteousness, man's ideas over God's clear teaching, to remake God in their own image rather than letting God change them into Christ's image.
    Good riddance! The church is better off without them.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, look at the churches who are in real trouble, all of them have one thing in common they have moved away from the inerrancy of the Word of God. When a denomination or individual church moves away from the inerrancy of the Scriptures it will only be a matter of time before that denomination or church begins to see serious decline. The Southern Baptist Convention woke up to that fact and returned to their biblical routes and although we are not seeing the growth we would like we are by no means seeing the decline as seen in the mainstream denominations. Plus we have no plans to stop believing in the inerrancy of the Scriptures in order to accommodate the culture.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Our culture use to have a base understanding of what was right and what was wrong."

    The church has been arguing since it was founded, trying to decide what was right and what was wrong. Most of you people know your Bible but know very little real history. Try reading some OTHER books in your spare time, won't you?

    The "crisis" situation in the Anglican Communion, for instance, is VERY familiar territory. The church of the "via media" (the "middle way" between Protestant and Catholic) has been made up of uneasy co-religionists for hundreds of years. It always survives, because the teachings of Jesus are at its core (no matter how much people on CP like to make fun of the Episcoplians and their world-wide kin).

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And....if churches don't become more relevant, they will close.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:21 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "And if churches don't become more relevant, they will close."

    Thus enters the emergent methodology. We have now a second generation of "I'm Ok, You're OK" and the gospel is "you're not OK...you need a savior". This is the problem.

    This is where relational evangelism comes in with the emergent church model. Our culture use to have a base understanding of what was right and what was wrong. Now days, most anything goes as long as you're 'not hurting anybody else' (so...it's OK to hurt yourself?). People could look at right and wrong and it wasn't such a leap to see they were sinners. Now days, it's like jumping the Grand Canyon. You have to help people little by little as the foundational understanding of the Gospel has to be built.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:04 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Whatever the reasons, people are voting with their feet. And if churches don't become more relevant, they will close. In a hundred years history students could be reading about the practical "disappearance" of the Christian church as a factor in society in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. I think the truths that Jesus taught will still survive. When the head of our government (like President Bush) makes a laughing stock of the title "evangelical Christian," it's time to look for some new, relevant form of Christianity, which I think is being born even as you and I argue about various points. Look at those young evangelicals who are interested in poverty, justice and the health of the planet - and don't go beserk when they read about two women getting married!

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    hlerwin, if anything the reason is just the opposite of your premise. Too many denominations are simply choosing to turn the other way when it comes to dealing with sin in the Church and God cannot and will not honor that nor will they be effective in impacting their community for Christ.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    That is certainly one reason, bossman. Another reason is the one I outlined in my 2:08 post. I think there are more reasons, too, that the cultural shift is away from what passes for Christianity in modern America.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, maybe the shift is because people love their sins and have more outlets than ever to express it. Then they hate being told that what they're doing is sinning because they like to have their ears tickled.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Baptist pastors in Chile sound like many of our bivocational pastors here in America, if it wasn't for their full-time job or in the case of some full-time pastors their wife's job they couldn't financially make it, but one difference is that although many of them don't have a seminary degree God continues to powerfully use them in the pulpit because they don't allow their lack of formal education to keep them from being students of God's Word. My sense is that it is the same for these pastors in South America and Eastern Europe, they may not be effective in reaching people of affluence but they are reaching others with the Gospel. Perhaps we Baptist pastors here in the US could learn something from these "poor uneducated" Baptist Pastors.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    "For pastors in North America, the greatest challenge is the cultural shift away from Christianity...."

    As well we should shift away! Most organized Christianity has become tyrannical, more "councils of old men" shaking their fingers at young people, and now at everybody who does not toe the line. The truths in the Bible will last. All the cultural junk in the Bible (including first- through third-century Jewish and early Christian cultural junk) is fading away rapidly. "You can't fool all of the people all of the time," Abraham Lincoln said. He was right.

  • Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Five decades ago, 80 percent of Americans attended church regularly ... the number has fallen between 20 and 42 percent"

    It would seem this statement says it all.

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