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Report: Relatives, Friends of Controversial Televangelist Prosper

By Eric Gorski|AP Religion Writer

NEWARK, Texas (AP) - Here in the gentle hills of north Texas, televangelist Kenneth Copeland has built a religious empire teaching that God wants his followers to prosper.

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    (Photo: AP Images /Tulsa World, Kelly Kerr)
    Televangelists lay hands on Oral Roberts, 85, during the International Charismatic Bible Ministries conference in the Mabee Center at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla., Wednesday, June 18, 2003. From left are, Billy Joe Daugherty; Gloria Copeland; Kenneth Copeland; Charles Green; Richard Roberts; and Lindsay Roberts. Roberts spoke in his first public appearance in seven months.

Over the years, a circle of Copeland's relatives and friends have done just that, The Associated Press has found. They include the brother-in-law with a lucrative deal to broker Copeland's television time, the son who acquired church-owned land for his ranching business and saw it more than quadruple in value, and board members who together have been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for speaking at church events.

Church officials say no one improperly benefits through ties to Copeland's vast evangelical ministry, which claims more than 600,000 subscribers in 134 countries to its flagship "Believer's Voice of Victory" magazine. The board of directors signs off on important matters, they say. Yet church bylaws give Copeland veto power over board decisions.

While Copeland insists that his ministry complies with the law, independent tax experts who reviewed information obtained by the AP through interviews, church documents and public records have their doubts. The web of companies and non-profits tied to the televangelist calls the ministry's integrity into question, they say.

"There are far too many relatives here," said Frances Hill, a University of Miami law professor who specializes in nonprofit tax law. "There's too much money sloshing around and too much of it sloshing around with people with overlapping affiliations and allegiances by either blood or friendship or just ties over the years. There are red flags all over these relationships."

Copeland, 71, is a pioneer of the prosperity gospel, which holds that believers are destined to flourish spiritually, physically and financially — and share the wealth with others.

His ministry's 1,500-acre campus, behind an iron gate a half-hour drive from Fort Worth, is testament to his success. It includes a church, a private airstrip, a hangar for the ministry's $17.5 million jet and other aircraft, and a $6 million church-owned lakefront mansion.

Already a well-known figure, Copeland has come under greater scrutiny in recent months. He is one target of a Senate Finance Committee investigation into allegations of questionable spending and lax financial accountability at six large televangelist organizations that preach health-and-wealth theology.

All have denied wrongdoing. But Copeland has fought back the hardest, refusing to answer most questions from the inquiry's architect, Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa.

Copeland's church also has invited an Internal Revenue Service audit, which would keep information private, and has launched a sophisticated Web site, Believers Stand United, to "help set the record straight."

The Senate committee didn't set out to determine whether Copeland or the others broke the law, although it could provide information to the Internal Revenue Service if something seems flagrantly wrong, a committee aide said. The main goal, Grassley has said, is to figure out whether existing tax laws governing churches are adequate, which could carry sweeping implications for all religious organizations.

The committee could subpoena Copeland if he remains uncooperative. Neither he nor John Copeland, his son and the ministry's chief executive officer, responded to interview requests.

But Lawrence Swicegood, spokesman for Kenneth Copeland Ministries, said in written responses to questions that no Copeland family members receive improper benefits through their ties to the church.

All revenue from the church's business interests — including an oil and natural gas company it owns — go into the church, Swicegood said.

He said that Kenneth Copeland has never exercised his veto power over board decisions, a provision meant for emergency use. Even so, Swicegood said, the board is scheduled to meet in August to vote on taking away that ability.

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Kenneth Copeland has always dreamed big.

Growing up in West Texas next to an Army air base, Copeland wanted to fly. He also wanted to sing pop songs. He realized both ambitions and didn't stop there.

In 1957, when he was 20, Copeland scored a Top 40 hit called "Pledge of Love" and sang on "American Bandstand."

The journey that led to the pulpit began several years later. Copeland had a born-again experience and enrolled at Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla. He worked as a pilot and chauffeur for Roberts himself.

Copeland was greatly influenced by Tulsa prosperity preacher Kenneth Hagin, locking himself in the garage with Hagin's tapes for seven days before moving back to Texas to start his ministry in the late 1960s.

Now a 500-employee operation with a budget in the tens of millions of dollars, Kenneth Copeland Ministries has won supporters worldwide through its crusades and conferences, prayer request network, disaster relief work, magazine and television program.

Kenneth Copeland Ministries is organized under the tax code as a church, so it gets a layer of privacy not afforded large secular and religious nonprofit groups that must disclose budgets and salaries. Pastors' pay must be "reasonable" under the federal tax code, a term that gives churches wide latitude.

Copeland's current salary is not made public by his ministry. However, the church disclosed in a property-tax exemption application that his wages were $364,577 in 1995; Copeland's wife, Gloria, earned $292,593. It's not clear whether those figures include other earnings, such as special offerings for guest preaching or book royalties. Another 13 Copeland relatives were on the church's payroll that year.

In the 1980s, Copeland's church purchased land on the shores of Eagle Mountain Lake from the estate of a Texas oilman. Afterward, it discovered added value underground: an oil and gas field.

Grassley, the senator leading the televangelist inquiry, has quizzed Copeland about Security Petrol Inc., a wholly owned — and for-profit — subsidiary of the church created in 1997 to manage that resource.

Swicegood said Security Petrol was established to protect the church from the liability risk of oil and gas production and to minimize interference with the church's religious activities.

No company officials — including John Copeland, its president — has received compensation or profits from the company, and all revenue goes to the church for general operations, Swicegood said. Reserves from gas wells in the church's name were valued at $23 million last year, county records show.

Speaking at a ministers' conference in January, Kenneth Copeland accused Grassley of twisting reality to make it look like the natural gas "was making us rich off of the ministry's property. Bull. That's stupid."

It's not the only business venture tied to the church.

While natural gas platforms sprouted on church land, John Copeland, a self-described "cowboy at heart," pursued a side business in cattle and horses. Beginning in 1993, John Copeland leased church land to run his business, El Rancho Fe, Spanish for "Ranch of Faith."

Five years later, the church separately sold John Copeland land for his ranch and residence, Swicegood said.

Swicegood said appraisals were done to determine fair market value for leasing and selling the land, adding that the lease benefits the church. John Copeland must improve the land, and county officials confirmed the church gets a roughly $100,000 annual tax break for putting it to agricultural use. The church board approved the transactions.

While the purchase price is not public record, the 33-acre property would have been worth about $93,000 that year, said John Marshall, executive director of the Tarrant Appraisal District.

The land is now valued at $554,160 by the district.

Until recently, El Rancho Fe sold registered American Quarter Horses and three other horse breeds. On its Web site, convenient location and the integrity of the Copeland name were used as selling points.

"We are a family you know and a family you trust," it said.

John Copeland and his wife, Marty, no longer sell horses but continue to operate the cattle business, Swicegood said.

Ellen Aprill, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles and a former U.S. Treasury Department official, said leasing and selling land to the church's top executive raises concerns. Under IRS rules, nonprofits can be penalized or lose their tax-exempt status if an executive, board member or other insider receives an economic benefit above and beyond what the organization gets in return.

"The church and its board must take great care to make sure the payments are fair to the church," Aprill said. "The church says it does. But is not clear how we can know."

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Located in an office complex in a north Dallas suburb, Integrity Media is the kind of company that plays a little-known but important role in the world of televangelism: negotiating the purchase of television time for Christian ministries.

Douglas Neece, the company's president, said Kenneth Copeland Ministries is Integrity Media's biggest client, accounting for just over 50 percent of its business.

Neece is Kenneth Copeland's brother-in-law. Neece's son, Joel, also works for the company.

The church's board was informed of Neece's relationship to the Copelands, Swicegood said. Their television time is bought at market rates and the ministry gets a discount from Integrity Media, he said.

Douglas Neece said his company charges a "deeply discounted" commission below the industry standard of 15 percent. "We earn our money," Neece said. "That's just the way it is.

"We have nothing to hide."

The money involved is substantial. In a 1997 filing in Tarrant County, Copeland's church said it paid a "related party" $22 million for "telecast and mass media expense" that year and received a discount of $1.7 million on the transaction. Similar figures were cited for 1996.

Integrity Media, meanwhile, is the parent company to a horse-breeding operation and real estate company that owns a Learjet, records show. Although they are wholly owned subsidiaries of Integrity Media, Neece played down the connections.

"The subsidiaries don't have anything to do with the media-buying corporation," he said. "We've had several through the years, and these things are not connected with the Copeland ministry."

Whatever the venture — whether it's buying TV time, land deals with a church executive or natural gas wells — Kenneth Copeland Ministries cites its 11-member board of directors as an important check on the organization's integrity.

Kenneth Copeland serves as board chairman, and his wife, Gloria, is a board member. Records show other members include or have included fellow televangelists Jesse Duplantis, Mac and Lynne Hammond, and Jerry and Carolyn Savelle; Oklahoma architect Loyal Furry; retired Texas pastor Harold Nichols; and Arkansas businessman John Best.

As chairman, Copeland has veto power over any resolution he deems "not in the best financial or operational interests of the Church or not in furtherance of the nonprofit religious purposes of the Church," church bylaws say.

Such veto power is highly unusual, say academics who study nonprofits. Swicegood said the provision was meant to give Copeland emergency power to prevent the church from doing anything "repugnant to its Christian purposes and mission" — although the bylaws don't lay that out. Swicegood said the church plans to remove that provision and adopt others that "reflect contemporary best practices in nonprofit governance."

Board member Best, in a written response to questions, said he's received "100 percent accessibility to anything I wanted to see and have always seen the highest level of integrity and honesty."

Other board members either declined comment, did not respond to interview requests or could not be located. The church has emphasized that board members act in the church's best interest.

Some board members, however, receive a perk that experts like Hill, of the University of Miami, said undermines their independence. While board members don't get salaries, some who are ministers get paid for speaking at church events through offerings and honorariums, Swicegood confirmed.

The sums involved are usually kept secret. But in seeking tax exemption for its aircraft fleet in the late 1990s, the church revealed that it paid board members a total of $87,000 in "cash contributions" and almost $1 million in honorariums and "benefit purposes" in 1996 and '97.

Swicegood said the church's independent compensation committee approves all payments to board members.

Marilyn Phelan, a Texas Tech University law professor and author on nonprofit law, said the practice could pose problems in an IRS audit. Both the IRS and Texas state law prohibit benefits beyond reasonable compensation for insiders, including board members, she said. If violations are found, nonprofits can lose their tax-exempt status and board members can face penalty taxes.

As the Senate Finance Committee considers its next step, Copeland is not backing down. His ministry is portraying the inquiry as an attack on religious liberty.

At the same time, it is moving forward with a big fund-raising project: soliciting donations for new television equipment so Copeland can be broadcast in high-definition.

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  • Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jhs, how do you know how many people Robert Schuller has led to Christ, plus he preaches what amounts to a touchy feely gospel which may lead to supposed emotional decisions but not necessarily true conversion experiences. Plus since you know me that well can you tell me what my score is in the soul winning competition?

  • Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One can always pick out a few obscure passages to promote that becoming opulently wealthy from selling the gospel is God's will. However, throughout the whole teaching of Christ, he time after time exhorted his disciples to "do as I do", "follow my example" etc. He did not have a home or even a "pillow to lay his head". A child can see that these preachers have gone the opposite way of Christ.

    This is why I am continually impressed with Christian leaders who sought to follow Christ in this way. Rick Warren gave back all the money Saddleback Church ever paid him in salary & has given away the vast majority of his wealth received from his books sales.

    Bill Bright, the late founder & president of Campus Crusade for Christ, never once received a 6 figure income throughout his life. When at the end of his life, he received the Templeton Award along with the $1 million prize, he donated the entire amount away to world evangelism.

    These men aren't perfect but they at least were doing as Christ did. These evangelists will have to give an account to the Lord someday for their greed and for leading so many astray to also pursue a life a greed.

  • Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I agree. Prosperity is not wrong, if God so chooses to bless you with that, and if you know what to do with it. But being poor is not wrong either, if God so chooses to bless you with that.
    Let's see what Paul (who was a very successful and prosperous man at one time, then forsook it all for the Gospel) says about the subject.
    "Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
    I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
    I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:11-13

    So, if God so chooses you to be blessed financially, then give Him glory and use His blessings correctly. Some are called to financially support those who are called to be poor and work in a ministry of some sort. God has a plan that is beyond us. Learn to trust Him.

  • Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JHS, your remark about Robert Schuller is probably correct. As you know, we hold our greatest contempt for people who are "almost like us, but not quite." Therefore, believer takes offence when you place Kennedy and Schuller in the same category. Schuller may not be "my cup of tea," but I can certainly appreciate the thousands and thousands of people he has reached. His ministry is "not good enough" for many though. So, Shi'ites hate Sunnis, Theravada Buddhists hate Mahayana Buddhists, and fundamentalist Christians hate broadminded Christians. Ever will it be thus...

  • mike »
    Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prosperity is not wrong. PROVERBS shows the advantages of being prosperous & poor. even in genesis, the garden of eden was not a barren desert, deprived of food & water. these televangelists/pastors always focus on malachi when there are plenty of other verse that point not to malachi but to hard work, planning, understanding & knowledge.
    what is wrong is these televangelist/pastors use the bible or god to get rich. they manipulate people using guilt, shame & fear to force people to give. they use the sufferings of others so people will be forced to give.

  • JHS »
    Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    canoefish ,

    The anti christian media is not creating these problems for these "wonderful" ministries, the greed and power hungry tele evangelist are doing it themselves. As far as Graham most of these other tele evangelist could not hold a candle to Graham.

  • JHS »
    Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,

    Schuller had led more people to Christ on accident than you have ever led on purpose!!!!!!!

  • Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:14 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    When I quoted "you will know by their fruits", I was not talking about the fruits of the spirit. That verse comes from Matthew 7:15-20. From the NKJV:

    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

    It is saying that you will know if someone is a false profit by examining the fruits (a better word may be "results") of their life. My point in all of this is that we need to measure any minister of the gospel (Copeland's, Dobson, Billy Graham, local pastor of a church, etc) by the results of their ministry. Are people accepting Jesus Christ in their heart? Are people turning away from sin? Are people growing in their knowledge of the Bible? Are they having a deeper walk and relationship with God? Are lives being changed? I would say that for the majority of the long standing, large ministries that the answer is a resounding yes. Frankly, I dont care what the minister makes, how much the house they live in is worth, or what they drive as long as they are producing RESULTS. For the people bearing good fruit, their rewards here on earth are tiny (even the Copeland's) compared to their reward in heaven. For those who are fleecing the gullible masses for ill gotten gain and squandering it without results, they better enjoy it while they can before their tree is cut down and thrown into the fire. On top of that, if someone gives away so much that they can not take care of their own needs, they are in dangerous territory according to 1Timothy 5:8:

    8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    FYI, Billy Graham's total compensation last year was around $350k (salary + fringe benefits) . Some news media made a squabble about it since he didnt work full time. I couldnt find the exact article but Google for "Billy Graham Salary" for some results.

    Get ready for the upcoming months. This year is an election year and there are plenty of anti Christian organizations working overtime to dig up dirt on any preacher or ministry they can. Their goal is to stir up controversy in order to discredit the influence that Christian voters have and try to cause confusion. They know EXACTLY what they are doing when an article like this gets written. How come something like this doesnt come up in non election years?

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    jhs, how can you put Kennedy and Schuller in the same camp, Kennedy preached sound biblical truth and Schuller preaches a wishy washy warm fuzzies gospel at best, there is absolutely no comparison between these two men when it comes to their preaching and teaching.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Like 20:47 "Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation."

    Hmm. What kind of fruits are borne?

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It is sad when we mistake health and prosperity for blessing. That was a major issue with the Jews in the first century. The disciples asked about who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born with a disability. Jesus answer was, to paraphrase, you just don't get it. It is to show the glory of God. The church still follows in the footsteps of the pharisees and we see things through the world's eyes. Billy Graham declares that his salary is a normal big city church senior pastor's salary (at the time 75,000 dollars). Does he need 75,000 dollars? Why do Senior pastors make a larger salary (when their kids are usually grown up, married and out of the house and his house is paid for) than the newly hired youth pastor (with a wife and two little kids). Who needs the larger salary? The church needs to wake up and start living the economy that Jesus brought instead of the U.S.capitalist economy.

  • mike »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to canoefish
    what you do not understand is how can copeland, hagee, joyce meyer, benny hinn be able to buy multi million dollar homes, luxury cars, stay in expensive hotels abroad (lay aways) that cost $10,000/night and fly in lear jets but they do not have job? if you say that 'you will know the fruits of the spirit' then does their joy or peace comes from the millions of $$ they have? do they practice what the bible say about contentment or self-denial? it seems to me that they are using & exploiting christianity to get rich. if people are dying bec. of hunger, thirst, sickness or homelessness while copeland, hinn, meyer, & company are living in multimillion $$ homes, driving luxury cars & flying in private jets, then something is wrong. to them christianity is another business & they proclaim themSELVES as self-appointed CEOs so they can receive the same salary a secular CEO receives.
    finally, did christ practice blind obedience? did he agree with pharisees & ALL their teaching in the name of obedience or preaching the gospel? they are not stupid when they know that there is tax exemption in christianity.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jirehdesign, I don't think anyone here will object. Most will agree, since I think you are correct. Jehovah Jireh!

    And, JHS, these endless political campaigns are, as an old black woman told me once, "a vexation to the spirit." But I guess we have to keep squabbling.... trying to do the right thing.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    All joking aside, Copeland, Hagee, Dobson, Stanley et al have become very wealthy people on the backs of their ministires regardless of whether they are word of faith, evangelicals, southern baptist etc, it's made every thing that should not be important, important. It takes our eye off the ball, in a country facing an economic downturn, a endless war in Iraq, and growing "christian" divide between all americans of both parties. The fact "christian" ministires have taken the republican side in the political debate has more to do with their personal financial wealth they have gained over the years off their ministries than the gospel. Because when they had the control of the agenda, they did not outlaw abortion or could they stop other froms of behavior they don't like. It probably does not help that both Bush first ladies are openly pro choice.

    I more than most vent my frustation about the Republicans, I even was on til 06, and the Democrats have their faults, however I look at country around me , I don't see a bunch of whiners, I see people trying to find their way past the economy, and the general moral climate that has turned downwards in tha last 7 years and wondering what kind of country their kids are growing up in. We are all trying to find our way. And we will, but if we are not talking to each other, and only talking past each other, we will never get there.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    If someone can tell me why they disagree with my quoting 1 Timothy 6:3-10, please explain yourself. I'd like to know how someone could argue that the prosperity gospel is anything but extra-biblical and unhealthy.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:12 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Maybe I'm taking this verse out of context, but every time I hear the "prosperity gospel," I think of this verse. Also, btw, Paul condemned anyone who would come up with a different gospel than the one Jesus preached:

    "If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and <B>who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.</b>

    But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." 1 Tim. 6:3-10

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:11 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Not sure why this is news... so a national "televangelist" makes a lot of money, has significant family involvement, and treats his "organization" like a company he founded, rather than a ministry in the biblical sense. This is news? It would be news if we found out he was only taking 30k a year, donating royalties from his media to bible based projects and being thrifty in terms of capital expenses (like using normal tile instead of italian marble for the foyer..).

    That said, the four page article doesn't disclose anything illegal or even un-ethical in terms of similar non-profits.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Besides if this name it and claim it malarky really worked, then ORU students would eating prime rib every day, and $#!^G in gold trimmed bathrooms.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:28 am : 0 : 0 Flag
    James Kennedy is one fundamentalist I could listen to. I miss him - and his messages.

    I agree, Kennedy and Robert Schuller both have earned degrees and can articulate the gospel acordingly. Although I did not always agree with Kennedy [Iraq] being one of them. He could speak well.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Sadly, a lot of these prosperity people thing they "deserve" to live like Kings off the money their followers sacrifice for them.
    Yup, we saw how Oral Roberts University suffered from the leadership of the prosperity televangelists. And what about pastors, missionaries, evangelists who skimp by on little or nothing while Kenneth Copeland calls himself a billionaire.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:28 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    James Kennedy is one fundamentalist I could listen to. I miss him - and his messages.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If my wife was dressing like white trash with money, I would not consider that a blessing from God. I guess these televangelist husbands are more forgiving than I am.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Not just copeland however, you have ministries on the radio and TV where the pastors from Ed Young or Charles stanley [who's divorced by the way] et al have become extremely wealthy on the back of their respective ministries. The late D. James Kennedy gave 90% back to his ministry, much like Warren, this is the model that these people should use. Also it shows that we need a fariness doctrine and the government needs to reel all the mega ministries in. People like richard land that say on fox news he does not endorse any person, then goes on his radio show and slams Obama seven ways to sunday, while extolling the virtues of McCain, who by the way divorced his first to marry his present wife 17 years his junior and a mulitmillionaire to boot.

  • JHS »
    Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "repugnant to its Christian purposes and mission" —


    a little late now for that, the Copeland empire makes J.R. Ewing of Dallas fame look good. This is a family business, nothing more , nothing less.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Unfortunately for all you naysayer, this article does not uncover any specific crimes. You do not want to believe that a 40 year old ministry that preaches the gospel and ministers to the needs of people is able to prosper? And is it not interesting that all the stories on televangelist focus on their income and assets and never on the how effective they are at spreading the gospel of Christ, teaching God’s word, ministering to the needs of people and the number of lives that have been transformed. Lives transformed by a money grubbing preacher? How could that happen? Maybe because they are genuine in their love and obedience to the Lord Jesus!

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:16 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I can just imagine what ppl said when Elijah told that poor widow to give him her last portion of food. Grassley would have had a field day with him. (1Kings 17)

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:13 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Is it just me, or is the Christian Post seem to have a very negative opinion of the Copeland's, John Haggee, and other Word of Faith preachers?

    Jesus told us that we will "know by the fruit" and that is our measuring stick to prove if someone is genuine. The Copeland's ministry reaches millions of people across the globe with the good news of the Gospel. We may not all agree on certain details in scripture (prosperity, healing, etc) but the one thing that we all have in common is Jesus. It all boils down to people accepting Jesus in their heart, lives being changed, and people spending eternity in heaven. The Copeland's have brought millions of souls into the kingdom over the life of their ministry. I think that matters far more in the eyes of the Lord than how much someone's salary is.

    The IRS has a "safe haven" rule for non profit organizations which states that based on gross revenues the leadership can be paid similar compensation to what a CEO of a secular, for profit company makes. I guarantee you that none of these preachers take a salary anywhere near the figure that the IRS approves. The Copeland's are making pennies compared to the people in similar executive level positions the secular market. The Copeland's go to great lengths to make sure everything they do follows all rules and regulations of the IRS. They have lawyers and auditors who comb through all records to be sure they have done everything properly.

    Look at how much fighting, division, and controversy that is coming from the appointment of Gene Robinson as an openly gay bishop... Do you think that his "ministry" is producing good fruit? The point of this article seems to be to discredit the validity of the ministry that the Copeland's perform. They are not perfect (they are humans just like you and me) but I look at the "fruit" of their ministry... A few million souls in the kingdom. Very few people on this earth have done that.

  • Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    These guys who falsely represent us are part of the reason our faith is mocked by people. They give the nonbeliver the idea that Christianity is nothing but prayer for profit, you can be saved as long as you make checks out to Jesus. I actually hear one of these televangalists say that if you made some kind of special passover tithe of $100 or more that God would send his passover angel to bring you financial luck and and protect you, this angel would also come and overthrow your enemys who might get in your way. Compeletly opposite of Jesus who said we should love and pray for our enemies. I do belive there might be a few out there who are truely working for God but the majority i have a hard time beleiving.

    "All have denied wrongdoing. But Copeland has fought back the hardest, refusing to answer most questions from the inquiry's architect, Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa."

    Why doesn't he want to answer questions, If his work is honest Christian work he shouldnt have to hide anything.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Televangelist's are business folks, trying to make a living peddling religion to the masses. As businesses, they should pay their fair share of taxes. The real shame of these merchants of religion, is many of their customers that send money can barely afford medicines and food. Yet another reason to be an agnostic.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:50 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Wow, it seems there is a lot of avoidance going on in the community. Let's see, people making millions, lavishing on friends and relatives, telling people to send in their last penny as a "seed" and then the response from some is trying to use the "envy" card. That is sad. I have no envy of these charlatans because it is ill-gotten gains and they will answer for their raping of the flock of God just like the leaders of Israel in Jeremiah's day. To support and make excuses or attempt to change the subject is helping to fleece the flock even more.

    The servant serves, not fleeces. The king was born in a cave, laid in a feeding trough, his parents could only afford the sacrifice of the poor and Mary was called the most blessed among women. Jesus promised trials and tribulations not cafe lattes and Cadillacs.

    Grace and Peace,
    Ji

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:34 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Wow it seems there is a lot of envy out there. I am always amazed at how the family of "God" is so willing to throw stones, and cast out or bring down this worker of the Lord, and let Jesse Jackson and Rev Wright off. You want to see corruption look to Congress, contributions are voluntary taxes are not.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Even after repeated lessons for the ordinary believers from failed evangelist; in women and money, still the
    people are hooked to them. It hurts me the most because
    many new believers in certain countries can't afford to
    have their own new testament which costs 30 cents, but
    electronic preachers of " prosperity epicurianism" fly
    in their own ministry owned jolly jets of 30
    million, and blowing money in custom-made dress, live in
    in 6 million mansions. Besides, husband and wife team
    pocket $ 700000.00/year as salary, also for sitting and
    eating royal lunch with his friends in other electronic
    ministry boards, get almost of the same amount. How, an
    average person with a degress from a theolocal school can
    make this kind of income? I have never heard these
    people preach the simple gospel of salvation at any time
    in their sermons. But they have a message of, how to get
    rich and they sell those books and CDs for 10 fold profit. This is the time to clean the house, and God is
    going to do it. This new gospel of propserity has
    even influenced the poor countries where the preachers
    ride in pomp while the believers go to bed half-starved.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    These men, of course, are praying and laughing all the way to the bank, all the while getting that simpering, hero-worship look from those adoring, submissive wives.

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    I'm glad I did not have to bring up those hair styles, wjneill. I thought it impolite and picky. But honestly, sometimes something IS what it looks like (like those trashy hair-dos on those women). I guess Lincoln was right when he said, "God must love the common man, He made so many of them."

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Best religion money can buy. Just lookit John Hagee, Rod Parsley, Pat Buchanan, Donald Wildmon, and James Dobson. And there's those slick-haired devils all over religious television and radio programming, too. And the hair styles on those wives . . . oh my goodness gracious!

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Other ministries want to show pictures of starving children in South America and Africa and then guilt you into signing that check. They then upgrade their own lifestyle because after all "the worker is worth his keep" I think Jesus will say you have your reward!

  • Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:18 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    These are the wolves in sheep's clothing that we all hear about so often. People like this pray off of desperate lonely people who believe God will bless them with riches if they just sign the check and send it in. While people give away their life savings to scum like this, they are flying around in private jets, and when questioned about their affluent lifestyles, say that its a result of the prosperity gospel that they preach! This isnt a ministry, it's a mafia. This whole prosperity gospel is just a sad ploy to rob people of their wealth and ultimately their souls. God is not a cosmic stock market that you invest money in and see a return on.

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