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World|Wed, Aug. 06 2008 04:55 PM EDT

HIV Battle All About Partnership, Says AIDS Expert

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Prominent church leaders and HIV/AIDS experts agreed Tuesday that partnerships among different sectors of society is the best way forward in the battle against history’s deadliest disease.

  • Kay Warren and Agnes Binagwaho
    (Photo: © International AIDS Society / Mondaphoto)
    Agnes Binagwaho, right, speaks during a panel discussion at the XVII International AIDS Conference 2008 in Centro Banamex Mexico City, August 5, 2008, as Kay Warren, left, looks on.

"After 25 years, HIV is still a new disease, and we need new strategies, tools and programs," said Dr. Agnes Binagwaho, executive secretary of the National AIDS Control Commission of Rwanda, at a panel discussion for the XVII International AIDS Conference.

"This is all about partnership, and if we partner it is because we are different, not because we are the same."

Binagwaho’s call to forge partnership echoed that of panel moderators Kay and Rick Warren. The Warrens have long championed a partnership model amongst the government, faith, and business sectors in the battle against HIV/AIDS.

“Both a one-legged and a two-legged stool will fall over, but a three-legged stool will stand,” Pastor Rick Warren said, referring to the government, business and church segments of society.

"Each of these sectors brings something to the table that the others don't have," he said. "If you say the faith community cannot participate in healthcare, you have just taken out most of the world because the amount of those without faith in the world is very small."

At Tuesday’s panel discussion, Binagwaho offered statistics that revealed how 40 percent of the more than 430 healthcare facilities in Rwanda belong to a church. Moreover, more than 98 percent of the people in the country live within 1 kilometer (0.62 miles) from a church and the local pastor has the trust of most people in the village, making him an ideal candidate to provide healthcare needs, she said.

From the business sector, panelist Dale Dawson – a businessman who formerly was an investment banker for one of the wealthiest families in America – shared how he is using his resources and skills as an expert in business to help bring healthcare to children in Rwanda.

"One of the unusual things about this partnership with Rwanda is that I'm not in the same position to lead with the vision that the Rwandans are," said Dale, who is chair of Opportunity International’s President’s Council and founder of Bridge2Rwanda.

"My role in this is much different; in America, I can lead, as it is my mission, my country and my culture. But in Rwanda, I'm in fact a servant. I'm not a minister, and I'm not a missionary, I'm a businessman who is trying to find significance in the second half of my life – and there are many others like me."

Others who participated in the panel discussion Tuesday included Dr. Gil Odendaal, global director of Saddleback Church’s HIV/AIDS Initiative; and Elizabeth Styffe, co-director and executive director of the Saddleback Orphan Care Initiative and Western Rwanda HIV/AIDS Healthcare Initiative; and Emmanuel Kolini, archbishop of the Anglican Church in Rwanda and chairman of the National Commission for the Fight Against HIV/AIDS, Interfaith/Rwanda, the Institute of Research and Dialogue for Peace and the steering committee for the Purpose Driven/P.E.A.C.E. Plan in Rwanda.

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  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Sin is the cause, morality is the fool proof prevention.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    You're a full fledge gay rights individual and not a sold out Christian. You are only our for the interest of the gay agenda and nothing more, so do yourself and others a favor and stop pretending to be a Christian.

    Good ridden.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm done talking to you, not because you "rebuked me" but rather because I am choosing not to continue indulging your ignorance and hatred.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike- You're a fake and a fraud. Like I've said before, I don't mind the gays that claim not to be Christians, but the gays that claim their lifestyle is compatible with Christianity are ignorant and fraudulent. If you haven't noticed already, you frauds that pervade Christian sites are like ducks out of water. So scram - you fake. You've been rebuked! Now get out heathen. You're a scourge to society. Jesus had no tolerance for fakes and you're a fake.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dude, repent yourself! I don't hate you, or any Christian who spews such lies as you do...I pity you! I have nothing but pity for people so desperate to belong to a community that they cling to lies and hatred and lie to themselves so much they actually believe it. You are living a lie, not in following Jesus, but in following right wing nuts who compare gays to pedophiles, which could not be farther from the truth! I have nothing more to say than that I pity you, and I truly hope that YOU, rolln, will someday come to see the error of your ways before too many hurt souls lie in your wake.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No doubt we certainly have our differences.

    I only think of the gay community no different than I think of the pedophiles, polygamists and those involved in bestiality - all sin and perversions and contrary to God's holy ways.

    Your fervent need to call us Christians has hate-mongers is hate in and of itself. You are only out to confuse and do the devil's work. The only way out is to repent and to come to the full knowledge of Jesus Christ, but you seem too bent on your evil ways. There will be gnashing of teeth when you're time of accountability arrives unless you do repent. I'm only a messenger.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Americans are even more tired of conservative "Christians" who pretend they love everyone then pass judgment the first chance they get. It truly amuses me that you can't see the blatant hatred in your heart by the fact that you try to justify the lies of these studies and twist discussions into a gay bashing forum. It may all sound familiar, but unfortunately, its all too true.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, Mike - I suppose our little spat and differences is a microcosm of society as a whole. The battle will go on until Jesus Christians home.

    You've successfully used nearly all the adjectives the gay agenda has been using against any who oppose their perversion: ignorance, hatred, bigots, hate-filled, intolerant, liars, homophobic.

    I will say this: Americans are tiring of the gay agenda's name calling. It has worked to some degree as even McDonalds and other cooperate entities have surrcombed to the gay agenda, but the vast majority of people are getting sick and tired of the intimidation. I pray YOU repent from your demon procession - as it's very possible to do if you accept Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, you don't love. That's like telling black jokes then saying "oh I'm not racist!" You spread vicious lies about the gay community because they give you a reason to hate, and to try and rally other people behind you. If the Bible was truly that clear on homosexuality, why do you need to fall back on these bogus studies to try and prove your point. You are standing on nothing, my friend, and I truly take comfort in knowing that Jesus cannot approve of your lifestyle of hatred and ignorance.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-
    You said that I "spend hours a day sitting in front of your computer telling me I am a sinner and need to repent" - Actually I've spent a total of about 15 min. today. But this seems to be your pattern of exaggerations you like to work with.

    I don't necessarily need studies to know that anatomically speaking, the human body is designed and engineered perfectly for a man and woman to marry and have a family. You settle for 2nd rate (the Devil is master of 2nd rate) relationships since you can't biologically produce nothing with your partner. I know atheist that are against the gay lifestyle based on just this point alone.

    As with loving the gay person, I would have to say you're wrong there too. I've told you on other post that I have worked side by side with gay people and I've been by their side as some passed away from HIV/AIDS. Fortunately, they knew my position. I still keep in contact with a few of them. My issue usually comes more with those that claim to be Christian and live the gay lifestyle. I get along much better with the unbelieving gay because they can read the Bible and respect what it says.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 9:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Its funny, you spend hours a day sitting in front of your computer telling me I am a sinner and need to repent, and you can't even see the wrong you are doing by focusing so much on gays. You do not love anyone who is gay, at all. You attempt to make us out to be monsters, which if you really cared enough to look into the studies you claim to be truthful, you would find out is not at all true. I'm sure you'd rather accept them because they back up your homophobic bigotry though.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 7:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh yeah; I forgot to answer your question "What will happen when you need to answer to Jesus?" I was thinking this was rhetorical and didn't think you necessarily needed me to answer, but I will upon your request.

    Answer: I feel that the Lord will tell me "Well done, good and faithful servant".

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike- once again you're attempting to put words in the Christian mouths. Christians hate sin, so I suppose that if you think that our opposition to the gay lifestyle, then you can safely say we hate this activity. Do we hate individuals; no - just the sin that individuals refuse to repent from.

    Part of the gay agenda is to hijack the term Christian. Unfortunately for them, you can't hijack a state of being (the heart). The gay agenda may be successful in hijacking a few of the small denominations out there, but the vast majority of Christians know that the gay lifestyle is sin. The gay agenda can kick and scream all they want, but God's Word doesn't change.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And yet you didn't dispute that you hate us. Again, you are spreading lies, and again, you ignored my question: What will happen when you need to answer to Jesus? I can't imagine he would find your blatant hate acceptable, especially when you pretend to be doing it in his name. Jesus warned about wolves in sheep's clothing...interesting how you think its me.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-
    You're right! We will fight to keep marriage between a man and a woman - like the way it has been in societies throughout history.

    Gay marriage would radically change my way of life. First, it would legitimize a gay relationship which Christians and other religions find repulsive. Once legitimized, then we must hire them at our church - which we'd never do even if it were to be illegal to not hire. Therefore, my church would be a persecuted church and we'd either have to pay a fine or go to jail - or both. That's why we're fighting against this sinful behavior of gay relationships. They're no different than pedophiles, polygamists and bestiality.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And I'm sick and tired of having to accept your religious beliefs in every sector of my life. You have no business in my personal life, whatsoever, yet you feel it necessary to deny me the right to marry, which will in no way effect you, at all! Gays most certainly are not 300 times more likely to molest a child, that it stupid. When a man molests a boy, it does not make him gay, but I can guarantee the research you found would swing it that way. I have absolutely no respect for you whatsoever. There's no way to get around it, you have hatred in your heart for gays, and you can't even bring yourself to admit it. Keep spreading lies about us, I'm sure Jesus is thrilled to pieces.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike-

    You're a very presumptuous person and have a terrible habit of putting words in other peoples mouths.

    I never once said that "getting rid of gays" would solve the problem of HIV/AIDS. You're presuming this. What I said was that the gay community is "contributing" to the problem.

    By the way, I found another gay individual in the news having sex with underage children and he just smiles at the media. As I've reported before. Gays are 300 times more likely to have pedophilia tendencies than any other group of people. I won't state where I'm getting my research because you "discredit" these places as liars. But the gay/pedophile individuals sure make it into the news.

    The gay community is perverted (I say this as categorical because the category of gay is an abomination to God and has always and will always be a scrourge to any society), antagonistic- as Soul Force goes around and purposely forces their agenda on campuses around the US, and needs to repent of their filth.

    I don't mean to sound "hateful" as you'd put it, but we're getting dang outright tired of being forced into accepting your perversions.

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Do your research buddy!!!! Even if no gays had sex with each other anymore, AIDS would continue to spread because of unprotected straight sex and people n Africa. You think ending gays will solve all your problems, but you attempt to place all your hatred on us, as well as your misunderstanding, in an attempt to have your Bible make more sense. Wake up! Think with reason! Challenge yourself!

  • Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike-
    We agree on two things: 1. HIV/AIDS is a problem 2. Gays (in the US) are contributing to the problem.

    But you still haven't confirmed that it's an issue that can be prevented by not participating in promiscuous living and having gay sex.

  • Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I need to get with it?!? I have said from the beginning that in the US and Europe, yes, many AIDS cases are from gays, but the way you talk, you would never know people get it from IV drugs, blood transfusions, straights having sex, and in many cases, rape. I am fully aware of the situation in the US, but this article in NO WAY brought up homosexuality, yet you brought it there intentionally. You have hatred in your heart for gays, and you need to truly examine your conscience if you think you are spewing this hatred in the name of Christ. Get with it Rolln!

  • Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike-
    The fact is: The gay community has a huge interest in the fight against HIV/AIDS. I've said this before - having worked in a big city hospital - but I have seen the gay community desert their own once they've contacted the disease. I've seen them come to their side as well. I've seen them die and I've seen them living on meds for the rest or their shortened lives. But mostly they were of the gay community. The types of meds that we issued out had to be carried in a large bag years ago. I believe (I'm not in the field anymore) they've been able to do away with the large bag, but still quite a few meds are having to be issued to deal with this pandemic.

    Another fact for you: It's the only disease that can be abolished based on behavior! Period. Stop the promiscuity and the gay sex and the disease will eventually die on its own. DO YOU DISAGREE WITH THIS?? Get with it - MIke!

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, I've given published data many times before, thou shalt not lie, have you heard that song and dance before? You could start loving like a Christian by not making a target group, which you clearly do. You have no love in your heart for gays, or else you wouldn't try to demonize us every chance you get (this article had NOTHING to do with homosexuality, yet you turned it into that...get with it dude!)

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey dP
    Unfortunately, I'm going into my busy season, so I'm not getting a chance to get to these post like I have been this summer. I'm noticing Mike expects us to post our evidence, but I never see him post NOTHING! He doesn't state his facts - he just rambles about how hateful everyone is. The gay agenda is all about victimization. OOOOhhhhh, we're victims of the intolerant, hate-filled, bigoted Christians.

    Do you suppose we've heard this song and dance before?? LOL!

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    " I do not trust hate filled 'Christians' to play nice."

    I don't trust hate filled anybodies to play nice!


    "Exodus and Narth publish false data"

    Data is subject to interpretation. Just like surveys I don't put too much stock in data at face value. Exactly what data is 'false' these groups are putting out and what proof do you have?

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike-
    You say I don't love like a Christian should. How would you suggest we, as Christians, love the way we're suppose to?

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Im not sure why my post was deleted, it was quite true. You are responding back like a child, not reading my response at all, but rather flying off the handle screaming "Nuh uh! That's not true!" The true oxymoron is that you call yourself a Christian. You know nothing of how to love me because you're so consumed in finding lies to strike me down. Groups like Exodus and Narth publish false data, yet you cling to it like you cling to your Bible! These are false publications, and its very easy to prove that. Read the scripture all you want, but wake up there there is no scientific evidence that supports your side! Should you continue falsifying information, you will have quite a few questions from Jesus.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike- it's easy to discredit you and your supposed group of gays that help. I've can run a list of gay organizations that do nothing but serve their own agenda and do nothing to help others. Our church seeks to help others and that all - even gay members are assisted. Trust me, those gay attendee would never call us haters. However, the reason I'm harder on you than I would a gay individual who is seeking to leave the lifestyle is that you claim to be a Christian without calling being gayness a sin. Like I said, living a gay lifestyle is sin in God's eyes. Therefore; Christian and living a gay lifestyle is an oxymoron. What makes it more evil is the gay agendas attempt to say that Christianity is compatible with the gay lifestyle. Wrong! Groups like Soulforce who go around forcing their agenda on churches should in and of itself be called a hate crime.

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ha, its not evil in any way, shape, or form. We're not spreading lies, and we wouldn't go up against a group unless they were determined to lie about us. Think about it. "Christians" claim homosexuality is a sin like all the others, but I see no links on this website about pornography, rape, converting non believers, nothing. I do see, however, a tab under churches for homosexuality, a tab under society for gay issues, and countless miscellaneous attacks from people such as S. Michael Craven who cannot even get their own facts straight (on his own website, he says gay relationships last 1.5 years, and in the very next article, 3 years....sound fishy to anyone else?) The fact of the matter is you hide behind your idea that you are a Christian out to purge the world of sin, but you are happy to have a group like the gays who you can stereotype and pretend that every member of the group behave in such a manner you pretend we do. You have no idea who I am, or my partner, or any of our friends to say that we are taking part in evil by loving one another.

    I thought I made it abundantly clear: I google searched different phrases followed by "Rhode Island" and my group came up several times. I will not give the direct website because I do not trust hate filled "Christians" to play nice. The group I worked for does more in a year for the underserved communities of Providence than you could do in your entire life, yet I'm quite sure you would proclaim they are all God hating demons and they care only to get people's clothes off and start spreading AIDS.

    You are filled with hate, not love, sir. Check yourself a bit before you start using words like evil, they're very powerful and you might just be condemning yourself without realizing it. The topic, I believe, is global HIV/AIDS, not gays, so can we get back to it?

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike-

    Stop playing games and tell me your supposed GAY organization that helps the youth. Interesting why you just don't name the organization.

    I "attack" the gay community because it's a perverted way of life. I will fight until the gay community gets back into the closet. God is very clear in His hatred for sin. This is not an individual attack per say, rather a movement attack. The gay community is just as opposed and venomous toward the Christian - or any religion opposed to their causes. The gay community calls those with sincere religious convictions names such as haters, gay bashers, intolerant etc.. I knew then that the gay agenda was out to demean others and browbeat them until everyone agrees with there perversion. This is evil. Sorry, Mike.

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The fact that you call yourself a Christian is actually quite laughable! Look at your obsession with slandering an entire group of people! You paid no attention to what I said about stereotypes, to thinking about how that is sinful, to how you have turned an article about global HIV/AIDS into a discussion about gay culture, to how you must not have searched for the organization I worked for; rather, you continued your unfounded fanatical attack on the gay community as a whole, which you clearly know nothing about. You should be ashamed, you are a pathetic example of a "Christian."

  • Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I've been to numerous parades and I've witnessed extremely few public displays of affection, but the gay parades grab headlines because of their incessant need to "prove" their "love" to the world. It's sad, but unfortunately that's the reputation that surrounds that crowd. The gay agenda is self-serving and is adamant to shove their lifestyle down everyones throat. Sorry, but that's who you're associated with. That's why is an oxymoron when you say you're a gay/christian. There is no such thing.

  • Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, you have your blinders on. For one, the article really said nothing more than the most religiously centered city in the world is inciting violence against gays, something I as a Christian would not want to go around advertising. Any parade has certain requirements, including gay. This week in Baltimore was the National Anime convention, where people from all over dressed up in costumes like their favorite anime character. Many girls were walking around in much less than anyone at the Baltimore Gay Pride parade. Tell me, would you take as much offense to that since it was a straight woman? You talk as if the entire gay community loves nudity but the entire straight community is pure and rejects everything sexual. Not to mention, you have managed to turn an article about HIV/AIDS into a gay issue. OPEN YOUR EYES, please.

  • Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wow, you've just about summed up the gay community as one massive stereotype, and since we know all stereotypes are true and fir the entire community without fail, you must be right! There isn't a single gay in this planet who wouldn't sell their first adopted child into slavery if it meant the chance to walk naked in a parade! Every black person on this planet is on welfare. Don't serve a Jew at a restaurant, they never leave a tip. There isn't a single person south of the Mason-Dixon line with a college education.

    ...do you see what I'm getting at? You're attempting to make something fact which simply isn't so. Do each of those stereotypes have some basis in truth? Unfortunately, yes! Is it sinful to treat everyone in that group as if they're going to fit that stereotype, yes!

    I will not give out the website of the place I worked for as I am afraid they would start getting hate mail from folks on this website. Apparently you didn't search that hard, because I typed in multiple search terms on Google and in almost all, the organization popped up.

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I believe that RI doesn't allow nudity to take place, otherwise the gay parades would have nudity and sex. It's not because of their holy life style - trust me. Filth breeds filth. Read this article and you'll notice that the city only allows for gay parades if they PROMISE not to display nudity. I don't think you're getting the fact that the gay community are not KNOWN to have a holy and respectable way of life. They're eager to display there perversion if they could get away with it. I know that our small city has an issue with the gay parade every year. We don't allow nudity, but there's always small groups flaunting their nudity. Mind you, I don't go - only read about it in the paper. Not to mention the obsessive need of the gay community that are IN THE PARADE french kissing and gyrating in sexual motions - which the cops can't really do anything about. Nice place to bring the kids wouldn't you say??

    http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2006/11/09/jews_muslims_join_to_fight_gay_parade/

    I'd be interested to know what GAY organization you work for that works with youth and women to assist them. I did a quick google of gay organizations and I didn't see a single one that was dedicated to assist anyone other then their own.

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I most certainly did not say gays do not celebrate gay parades, what I said is that of all the gay parades I have been to, never once have I seen people having sex in public or walking around naked. San Francisco is a very small pocket, and the group that practices unsafe sex in public is even smaller, yet you attempt to make it like all gays are promiscuous and celebrate unsafe sex.

    I worked for a gay youth advocacy group in RI that indeed gave back to the community. We had a food pantry, offered free counseling to any youth (regardless of sexual orientation) and organized community service projects throughout the state. In addition, we partnered with organizations such as Sojourner House, which advocated for women and children in domestic violence. I know for a fact that there are such groups in MA, CT, and MD, all places I have lived. You can villainize the gay community all you want, it simply isn't true.

    Regardless, you attempt to blame the global AIDS pandemic on the promiscuity of gays, which most certainly is not true, and you know that perfectly well.

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike- you say it's a very small pocket of gays that are doing the disgusting gay pride parades??? LOL! You're kidding right. What gay organization DOES NOT have some part in this perverted display. I have yet to hear you decry it either. Sorry, but if you're gay, you are associated with the organizations that are gay orientated for the most part. Like Christians, we're associated and sometimes incorrectly with Catholics, Baptist and the organization thereof. Gay organizations by the way only serve to edify themselves unlike Christian organization that seek to build up the community with charity. What gay organization is set up to help the homeless, poor, spiritually lost?

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That has nothing to do with me or my community, thank you very much. Thats the problem with "Christians" such as yourself. You hear about this very, very small pocket of people acting immorally and right away its "oop, all gays are like that, and they want to raise children to do the same!" I have lost all respect for you. You do not love me, or any gays, you love spreading lies and hate about us based on what you just said. Again, HIV/AIDS is a much greater pandemic in Africa with STRAIGHT COUPLES than gays could ever bring to the US, but you ignore that fact and only focus on the gay aspect. Also, you ignore the fact that there are thousands of straight couples with HIV still sleeping around, but if I were to judge the straight community on those few, you'd be outraged, correct? The fact that you judge me makes me laugh: you are so lost in your own place that you will accept a lie if you think it will give you power over someone else.

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike- it's a Pandemic that is PREVENTABLE. I think you're missing it hear. We're not talking about diseases that are hereditary or inborn; we're talking about a disease that would eventually go away if people would live God fearing lives.

    Have you heard of the "Up Your Alley" festival in San Fransisco. Apparently, police are allowing HIV/AIDS breeding activity to go forth - public gay sex, nudity and things that not even the news media will mention. This kind of activity that the gay agenda PROMOTES is a scrounge to our society. I'm sure most of those having open sex either have HIV/AIDS and are writing their life off or they are demented mentally-or both. But that's what you and your community are all about. If you'd do something to prevent your community (gay agenda) to stop this pathetic run of debauchery; you may get a wee bit of respect.

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, its in the headlines not because of any gay agenda, but because of the Pandemic. The numbers of people contracting HIV and dying due to lack of drugs in Africa trumps anything in the US. Again, you are putting blame on the gay community. I am not taking this personally, I am looking at the facts whereas you are bringing your opinion into it.

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    My point is: MOST HIV/AIDS cases CAN BE eliminated simply by choice of lifestyle. Even so, why is it the disease that makes the headlines? My suspicion is that it's the politically correct disease which means that it only makes the headlines because the gay agenda has made it a point to make sure it does make the headlines. The rationale of course is to be able to live their godless lifestyle without repercussions. Cure the disease and they would be able to live promiscuously again. Unabandoned sex is what they're after.

    Remember Mike: Don't take this personally. I am talking in categorical terms.

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm wondering why you had to separate promiscuity with gay sex...anyone who has HIV yet remains promiscuous transmits the virus, not just gays. Also, I am curious as to what you mean by the politically correct smell.

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey mike-

    I don't do the thumbs thing, so it wasn't me, but I will have to say that HIV/AIDS would eventually go away if the lifestyle surrounding the issue (i.e. drug use, promiscuity, gay sex, etc.) would stop!

    Heart disease (as you stated) is genetic in many cases - unlike HIV/AIDS. I'm sick of the politically correct smell this disease brings with it and even our church "leaders" are getting sucked in. SHAME!!

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I love it! Someone gave me a thumbs down without saying anything to me, which is about what I'd expect from a toddler who hears something they don't like so they start to cry. HIV/AIDS is a global pandemic, that is a fact. It is killing thousands every year, and the numbers are climbing dramatically. Faith leaders have an obligation to help put a stop to such a huge crisis. The Catholic Church, for example, has donated more money than any other organization to HIV research efforts.

  • Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Because it is a global pandemic. Heart disease is a very American thing because our diets are so poor. That is a self obvious question. AIDS is killing millions of people, and it is wrong and ignorant to assume finding a cure for it will allow people to live promiscuously.

  • Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    My question is: Why is HIV/AIDS the forefront disease to combat? What about pancreatic, liver, heart or other diseases? I don't believe they get the "headliners" like HIV/AIDS, do they?

    I think I know why: HIV/AIDS has become the politically correct disease. By golly, if we can get a cure for this disease, then those that want to live a lifestyle contrary to God's Holy life would be able to do so. Those at Saddleback and the others that are looking great through the media, have sure got to account for why they're not as persistent to tackle other diseases. Hey, at least they're getting some attention this way. What they saying now: "GAG ME"!

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