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Society|Thu, Aug. 07 2008 01:24 PM EDT

Obama's 'Rock Star' Status Not Enough for Conservative Voters

By Michelle A. Vu|Christian Post Reporter

A Christian pro-family group readily acknowledged Sen. Barack Obama’s star status, but pointed out that the Democratic presidential candidate is still not that far ahead of Republican John McCain in election polls.

“Let’s face it. Barack Obama has the election to win or lose. He is the rock star of presidential candidates, by all rights he should be way ahead of John McCain,” said Tom Minnery, Focus on the Family Action’s senior vice president of government and public policy, in a special webcast on Wednesday.

“You would think Obama would be farther ahead but he’s not. He’s barely tied with John McCain and I think that is something for the Democrats to sweat,” he noted.

The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update shows Obama at 46 percent and McCain 44 percent for the general election, giving him only a lean two percent lead on his Republican rival. The poll was taken based on a three-day average of national registered voters between Aug. 3 and 5.

The conservative public policy expert suggested that the energy issue, particularly off-shore drilling, is a key factor in getting voters on McCain’s side.

Republicans and Democrats are currently in a bitter conflict over the issue of off-shore drilling. Republican representatives are refusing to leave the Capitol and demanding a vote on allowing off-shore drilling to offset high oil prices despite House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)’s adjournment of the House.

McCain, like fellow Republicans, supports off-shore drilling, but only if the state governor also approves. Obama, meanwhile, has switched from being against the activity to recently saying he is open to some offshore drilling.

During Wednesday’s webcast, guest Bishop Harry Jackson, an African-American church leader and chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition, urged voters to look carefully at each candidate’s stance on energy, state marriage amendment, hate crimes legislation, fairness doctrine, and abortion before making their presidential pick.

The pro-life leader advised values voters to look beyond appealing rhetoric and at candidates’ stance on issues.

Jackson, who is a registered Democrat, says he hopes to present to his Obama-leaning black congregation in the Washington, D.C.-area the issue of life in an upcoming event and urge them to carefully consider where the candidates stand on this moral matter.

“[T]here are certain policies that will attract the blessing of God on the nation and you don’t have to be a genius to understand that the nation is not blessed now and we’re under pressure,” Jackson said to the FOTF Action host.

“[W]hat has to happen is we have to align ourselves with the Word of God,” he prescribed.

During the Q&A segment of the program, a viewer brought up FOTF founder Dr. James Dobson’s recent comments stating that he might endorse McCain despite claiming earlier that he would rather stay home than vote for the Arizona senator. The viewer requested an explanation on Dobson’s “flip-flop.”

“Any election is not a choice about one person, for example, is John McCain good enough or not good enough to merit a person’s vote,” top FOTF policy official Tom Minnery responded. “The question is a choice between two – who is a better choice.”

Over time, Dobson and FOTF staff have “gradually understood” Obama to be a “fundamental left-wing” and McCain, as a result, “comes off the better in that equation,” he explained.

“Dr. Dobson gave the surprising statement that he isn’t endorsing John McCain but he might, given that where he (McCain) stands on certain very important issue such as judicial selection, selection of judges, is a whole lot better than where Sen. Obama would take the country by his appointment to federal courts. So that is what led Dr. Dobson to the point where he now is,” Minnery said.

The FOTF webcast took place just weeks ahead of the political parties’ national convention. The Democratic National Convention will be held Aug. 25-28 in Denver, while the Republican National Convention will be held Sept. 1-4 in Minneapolis.

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  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    But you are right about one thing. I'm not Jesus. I am far from perfect, and my failings haunt me. But I don't justify my sin or shortcomings. I get back up, dust myself off, and say "This time, through His Spirit and by His grace, I will succeed!!" only to fall again. And again, I pick myself up and keep walking. I won't quit trying to attain the image of Christ in my life. I will not stop crucifying my fleshly wants and desires.
    I won't wallow in the muck of sin whining "It's too hard! I can't make it!" I'll die trying if I have to. It's too important. It's all or none. It's all of God, or none at all. I won't settle for mediocrity or status quo.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike2685,
    Jesus never expected anyone to understand Him either. He spoke of spiritual things, which were not easily understood by the carnally minded. He even spoke in parables to help people understand, but many were so carnally minded that they still couldn't grasp the message. Even His own disciples had that problem.

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    Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    A letter to God.

    Dear Father , how i have asked for many years for a cure for cancer, and Aids, and Diseases of all kinds. How i have begged night after night for help on Famine and Drought. How i have asked for Righteous leaders to stand up for you and bring our Nation to you and away from UnRighteousness. Why O Lord have you not helped and heard my crys??

    Dear Son i have sent help many times, in 1977 i sent one who would one day grow up to be a Doctor and cure all Cancer. But the mother didnt want him, the Precious love i sent in her Womb, and had him killed. Again in 1998 i sent another, Who would be greater than the first and cure both Cancer and Aids and many Diseases, a Woman who's Faith would be Great and do many things in my name. But her mother hated the Child because the Child was seen as a burden and no love was in her heart for her Daughter.

    Time and Again i moved on your Prayers and sent help unto you, Famine would have been done away with, new ways to farm would grow enough crops for all the world easily, Drought would have been done away with by purifying salt water , Leaders who in my name would stand on my Sons Word he brought to them, even to giving there lifes when called upon to bring your nation to me.

    But when they were being killed where were you?

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i understand prophet, not coming down on you, we just need to be the hands, feet, and voice of Christ. and i am honest, i fall short continually, but i try, and i am thankful that the spirit of Christ in me shows me this. you are very well versed in scripture, and mike 2685, i hope you sincerely seek the truth, remember, knock and the door will be opened

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But you're not exactly Jesus, are you? You say something and just expect everyone to understand it.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus got annoyed a few time with even His own disciples at their lack of understanding.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mikeymike,
    I understand your concern for my being "condescending." I'll try to be more tolerant. Like when Jesus said to His disciples in Luke 9:54-55 "54And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of."

    Or when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about salvation? And he said "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

    11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

    12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"

    I wasn't being condescending. Just making an observation.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm not sure I should be telling you this, but I experienced the rapture before the rapture. There was a woman I fell in love with by accident. I say by accident because I didn't know she was married. The story is too long for me to get into all the specifics. I invited her and her husband(my boss/office manager) to a restaurant/bar for a employee who was leaving. Only the woman showed up. I had half a beer, but because I never drink, I was buzzed. I'm seated right next to her and leaning in I could see how perfectly her teeth and mouth were made. It made me want to kiss her. Because my love and fear of the Lord is greater I pulled away and she begged me stay three times. The third time she shouted "PLEASE DON'T GO" I subsequently saw the crucified head of Christ descend into her head and felt a love so powerful that it would be almost impossible to describe. It cracked open something at the center of me that spread out and filled me.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    a vote for obama is a vote for killing babies, a woman's right to choose- you gotta be kidding me! well we had sex and didnt realize we would get pregnant and well im not ready to be a parent i have other aspirations so i'm just gonna kill the baby. abortion is a sugar coated word for the shedding of innocent blood. maybe the baby should be given the choice to live huh? you know if your mom said she wasnt ready then you wouldnt even be here and get to live, but by the grace of God you are here. womans right to choose, you gotta be kidding me!

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, that comment " maybe thats why you have such a hard time w/ the things of the Spirit". being condescending is not Christlike, you may be the only Jesus someone gets to meet

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike 2685- with an open heart, pray to God before you open your bible, the old testament, ask him to speak to your heart, and for him to open your mind, then read isaiah 53. i hope He speaks to your heart. you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free, if you want truth, seek and you shall find, ask and you shall recieve, may God bless you and reveal the truth to you as YOU seek for it.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm sorry Mike. I didn't realize I had to explain the Scriptures to you. Maybe that's why you have such a hard time with the things of the Spirit. Next time I'll explain it, even if I think it's obvious.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, I want more than just scripture, that's not what I have a problem with! You post it and then said "that should suffice," and when I said it didn't you got indignant. Post scripture, but then explain how [you believe] that ties into the discussion. Saying "that will suffice" sounds very smug, almost as if "well that should shut him up."

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    once again: Dear Mike2685:

    That is a really pertinent and serious question. I am very glad you've posted it. This is a very big discussion and I will barely do it any justice in this short reply. The plain answer to your question is YES. Anyone who does not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has absolutely no place in the Kingdom of Heaven, and will be cast down to Hell. This includes professing Christians too, who are merely Christian by culture or association and not by faith. It doesn't matter how pious or perfect you are, or of what religion you are. The Jews you speak of read the OT which points to Jesus as the Messiah. He has already come, and we await His second coming. When He does return, he will wipe the world clean of its God-hating population, and claim what is His: those who worship Him in Spirit and Truth.
    If you would like scriptural proof of this, please let me know. It sounds hard- but it must be known that God is Holy, He is Love, and He is also a Consuming Fire.

    Kind regards,

    Brother Aaron

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike, don't fret! I hope you both are forgiving...
    Mike, the offer still stands to have this discussion over a few emails... just let me know, and I will post my email address for just enough time that you can copy it down.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Then, Mike, when you ask for a scripture, and I give you some, don't tell me not to spout off scripture.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm annoying? Simply for seeking clarification, which you did not provide originally? You can get testy with me if you want, but its very uncalled for.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike,
    You are really annoying. I do not think you are really looking for answers as much as you are looking for an argument. You specifically asked for scriptural proof, to which I gave you scripture, to which you derided me for giving you scripture. Check out your post on Monday, August 11 at 12:20 in which you say "I would like scriptural proof for that actually."
    No amount of evidence, scripture, or proof will suffice you. You do not want to learn. You want to argue.

    But I'll bite. The Old Testament repeatedly spoke of the coming Messiah (which the Jews will agree). The problem is that they misinterpreted (whether intentionally or not) those scriptures. They were expecting Him to come in glory and in power and overthrow the Roman government. And when He came as a lowly pauper, challenging their traditions and piousness, they denied that He was the Messiah. But the OT does talk extensively about Jesus. If the Jews chose to ignore the fact that He came, that is their fault. Their pride and arrogance will be their downfall. It's not like they didn't know, or have the opportunity to know. Succinctly, the point is this: The OT spoke of Jesus, He came, said and proved He was the Son of God (the Messiah), the Jews CHOSE to not believe, the consequences of their choice is on them.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:40 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    all of the answers are in the Bible. We stand on the Word of God. It is sufficient in and of itself. If you don't want to hear the Truth, don't ask questions. Your questions are valuable. Your concerns are my concerns now too. But, and I think I can take the liberty to speak for all of the Bible-believeing Christians on here, all of our answers might as well be copy and paste from the Bible. For it is written, all scripture is God breathed. God cannot lie. The Word of God is perfect. Men are imperfect; especially when we rely on our own understanding. The Bible utterly destroys every book ever written, and every word uttered by fallible, weak and sinful man.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:56 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    John said that if you do not accept Christ, then you do not accept God the Father (1 Jn 2:22-23; 1 Jn 5:10-12). If you accept God the Father, then you must accept Jesus the Son. If you accept Jesus the Son, then you accept God the Father. If you deny the Son, then you deny the Father.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, quite sorry to disappoint you, but not only did that not suffice, it didn't answer my question. Anyone can look up Bible quotes, but I had asked a question, to which you copied and pasted a reply.

    God made this covenant with the Jews that they were his chosen people. According to Jews, they believe Jesus is a prophet, but not the Messiah as described in the OT (thinking he would come as a great king/warrior.) I have a hard time believing that despite their devote faith and belief in Yahweh, who is God, that they would go to hell just because they don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. They accept God as Lord, God is Jesus, so in essence they are worshipping Jesus when they worship God, correct?

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    According to scripture, no one is able to be perfect. We all sin. So no one can live a perfect pious life. The purpose of the Law was to show us our need for Christ.

    Galatians 3:19-25
    19 What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one. 21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. 23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    But Christ IS the only way.
    Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

    Mk 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

    John 3:14-18
    14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

    Jn 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.

    Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

    1 Jn 2:22-23 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    1 Jn 5:10-12 10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

    Romans 11 say Paul is proof that Israel has not been forgotten. There is a remnant with faith. Life with God has always been based on faith.

  • Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:40 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    Appreciate your thoughtful questions on this forum.

    May you always earnestly seek the Truth in your journey through life.

    May God hear the passion of your heart and lead you to the One who died for you as you search for answers.

    Best regards,
    SqueakyWheel

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Jesus Himself said "I am the way, the Truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but by me."

    He also said "For God so love the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever would believe in Him (Jesus) would have everlasting life.

    In Romans it says "If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

    I could go on, but I think that will suffice.

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    In the meantime - Here's an interesting thought:

    Christianity has ALWAYS been exclusivisitic, fundamental, and conservative. It has always been unpopular to the larger population of every region it has shone its light in. It has outlasted every single cult ever born. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit will be worshipped as one God as He always has, for eternity.

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,

    do you want the scriptural proof of the OT pointing to Jesus, or the scriptural proof of the exclusivisity of Christianity? If both, we may want to have this discussion off of the CP because it could get lengthy, and well off-topic from this particular thread!

    Aaron

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I would like scriptural proof for that actually. I really have a hard time believing that. So we are to believe that although they believe in God, they won't go to Heaven? Here's my issue: Jesus and God are the same, although Christianity does teach God as triune rather than just the one being of Yahweh. You don't think Jesus would know their faith and devotion to God and see that as being good?

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dear Mike2685:

    That is a really pertinent and serious question. I am very glad you've posted it. This is a very big discussion and I will barely do it any justice in this short reply. The plain answer to your question is YES. Anyone who does not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior has absolutely no place in the Kingdom of Heaven, and will be cast down to Hell. This includes professing Christians too, who are merely Christian by culture or association and not by faith. It doesn't matter how pious or perfect you are, or of what religion you are. The Jews you speak of read the OT which points to Jesus as the Messiah. He has already come, and we await His second coming. When He does return, he will wipe the world clean of its God-hating population, and claim what is His: those who worship Him in Spirit and Truth.
    If you would like scriptural proof of this, please let me know. It sounds hard- but it must be known that God is Holy, He is Love, and He is also a Consuming Fire.

    Kind regards,

    Brother Aaron

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I'm wondering: So all the jews who live perfect, pious lives according to their beliefs in the OT (Keep in mind, they are still worshipping God, they just don't worship in terms of the Trinity) are going to hell because they don't accept Jesus as Lord? Thoughts?

  • Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A vote for Obama is not a vote for killing babies. The last 2 times we elected Bush, he was elected not because of the caliber of the man he is, but because of where he stood on certain issues. Let's face the facts: McCain is old! Is he going to be able to be president? McCain has dodged talking about the issues, he'd rather compare Obama to a "rock star" and then say "oh, we wer joking" then have an honest debate.

    Obama supports a woman's right to choose, but that is far from being for killing babies. I believe women should have the right, as I have never been in their shoes, but I for one would never want an abortion (if I was a woman.)

  • Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    the bible says that when we were in our mothers womb HE knew us and called us, but yet since 1973 50 MILLION BABIES have been slaughtered, and obama, the christian, supports murdering babies. you may say abortion isnt the only issue of our time, well neither was slavery the only issue of the time, but its the biggest moral issue in the sight of God, and if you vote for obama then you support killing babies, simple as that, i cant imagine any true man or woman of God having fellowship with baby killers, if you vote for obama, you have fellowship with him, and what fellowship can light have with darkness. may the holy spirit of God speak to your hearts

  • Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Paul certainly taught people had to confess Jesus is Lord and truly believe God raised him from the dead to be saved.

    Romans 10:9-15
    9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

  • Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think this describes anyone who thinks you can worship 'god' without accepting Christ:
    Jude 1:4
    For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

    God is clear, you can not deny Christ and have eternal life.
    1 John 5:1-12
    1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4 for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5 Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. 6 This is the one who came by water and blood - Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9 We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This campaign season, I wish to promote two ideas to regulate how this political process will go. After too many presidential elections where viciousness is the rule of the land, I brace myself for more gore unless we can practice two simple rules:
    1. I want to have more substance, less image. If I am given voting options (Obama -- McCain -- Isn't there someone else?), I want to know where each stands on the issues. If I'm going to vote my conscience, I want it to be an informed conscience. I have had my heart broken by too many leaders who were merely popular, but had no ideas worth supporting.
    2. Neither demonize nor romanticize the candidates. I care nothing for the dirt and the sleeze, just the character and the qualifications. We are seeing to the administration of the next four years.
    If we could have campaigns run on these two principles, we could have an input on ideas and solutions, not reactions to innuendo and marketing.

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:25 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    I think his faith will make him a great president. He doesn't necessarily favor one religion over another, but rather has faith in God, and sees that different religions are ultimately aimed towards God, but do have different beliefs. Whether you like it or not, Christianity is not the only religion in the US, and our leader cannot favor one religion over another in terms of his professional duties (in his personal life, absolutely.) I'm very hopeful for Obama, I think he could solve many of our domestic problems (such as education, health care, and social services.)

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:19 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "This is something that I'm sure I'd have serious debates with my fellow Christians about," Obama says, leading up to another shocker for believers. "I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize," he said. "There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they're going to hell."

    The interviewer asks: "You don't believe that?"

    "I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell," he says. "I can't imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That's just not part of my religious makeup."

    But, of course, that leaves us with the question of why Jesus chose to die for the sins of mankind if, indeed, there was another way to avoid hell.

    Then again, see how Obama defines sin.


    Interviewer: "Do you believe in sin?"


    Obama: "Yes."


    Interviewer: "What is sin?"


    Obama: "Being out of alignment with my values."


    Where does all this spiritual confusion lead? Does it suggest Obama will not win the presidency?


    Who knows?

    --Joseph Farah

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:16 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 0

    I thought about this interchange recently upon reading a 2004 interview about faith with Barack Obama, conducted by Cathleen Falsani.


    "I am a Christian," said Obama. "So, I have a deep faith. So I draw from the Christian faith. On the other hand, I was born in Hawaii where obviously there are a lot of Eastern influences. I lived in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, between the ages of 6 and 10. My father was from Kenya, and although he was probably most accurately labeled an agnostic, his father was Muslim. And I'd say, probably, intellectually I've drawn as much from Judaism as any other faith. So, I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people. That there are values that transcend race or culture, that move us forward, and there's an obligation for all of us individually as well as collectively to take responsibility to make those values lived."


    What Obama reveals about his brand of Christianity is that it has little in common with what Jesus had to say about salvation in John 14:6: "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

    There aren't many paths, according to the Bible – just one. And it tells us even that one path is very narrow. Obama makes the mistake of many who believe themselves to be Christians – that they can pick and choose what they like about the Bible as if were an oversized Chinese menu.


    In the interview, Obama says he was raised as a Christian by his mother and grandparents. Yet, his mother, who married two Muslim men, permitted him to be educated in a Muslim school in Indonesia. Then he describes his grandparents as practicing universalists.

    The only church he ever attended regularly was the one presided over by Jeremiah Wright – a subscriber to liberation theology, an ideology more in line with the beliefs of Barabbas than Jesus.


    And who is Jesus to Barack Obama?

    He laughs nervously when asked by the interviewer, then responds: "Jesus is an historical figure for me, and he's also a bridge between God and man, in the Christian faith, and one that I think is powerful precisely because he serves as that means of us reaching something higher. And he's also a wonderful teacher. I think it's important for all of us, of whatever faith, to have teachers in the flesh and also teachers in history."


    Of course, Christians believe Jesus is the bridge to God for all willing to accept Him and His substitutionary sacrifice for their sins.


    Obama admits in the interview he seldom read the Bible, but relied on spiritual guidance from Jeremiah Wright and Father Michael Pfleger. He said he had "enormous respect for" Wright and described Pfleger, from whom he has also distanced himself this year, as "a dear friend and somebody I interact with closely."

    --Joseph Farah

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    So the CIA, Homeland Security, the FBI and every other agency you can think of checked out Barack a long time ago, but someone on the internet has the "scoop" with a fake birth certificate claim. Spreading unsubstantiated rumors is the same as lying!

  • Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    What do you think Jesus is going to do when He catches up with all these Right Wing haters who are falsely labeling Barack as a Anti-Christ figure? If you are going to make such an incredible and ourageous claim you need solid proof and not a "gut feeling." So he is a secret Muslim who went to a crazy Christian church and what? The church is a secret Mosque? This is as outrageous and deceptive as it gets. These people know for certain Barack is no threat and just the opposite. They only worry and care about the millions of dollars they would have taxed. It's dirty paper, it's made of wood and it's idol worship.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    VFTV! Vote For The Vet

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    He is not racist and he does not hate the United States. He hates how many things work here, he hates that he grew up hearing his grandmother use offensive slang toward his race. He has done nothing, wrong, yet you so called "Christians" are attempting to hang him out to dry. Funny, didn't the Romans do the same thing to Jesus?

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:39 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    >>We request that the FEC require Mr. Obama to authorize the FEC to obtain an official copy of his birth certificate

    Urban legend. http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

    A scanned copy of a birth certificate can hardly be the same as the certified, physical, authenticated copy of the birth certificate. The production of the physical copy would put all allegations to rest.

    There's no need for urban legends or smears; just merely want to verify a simple birth certificate. Simple.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working
    separately have determined the birth certificate posted
    on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's birth.

    The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been "able to independently discern the name 'Maya Kassandra Soetoro' from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document." Maya is Obama's younger half-sister.

    The report follows a posting from another researcher, identified by the news publication as Techdude, that the birth certificate is a forgery because it originally documented the birth of a woman in the 1970s.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71763

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    If Obama was NOT born in the US, do you not think that the Clintons would have worked that? If he is a Muslim, would he attend a church that ordains women and homosexuals?

    Of course not.

    There are plenty of reasons the The Chosen One is not a good candidate. Focus on the truth, and ignore the lies. Read "Dreams From My Father" to find out about his racist and socialist views, and about how much he really dislikes the United States.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    >>We request that the FEC require Mr. Obama to authorize the FEC to obtain an official copy of his birth certificate

    Urban legend. http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Obama will be our next President.

    The swing voters like Obama, and kind of fear McCain and his desire to spend the next 10 years in Iraq.

    Also, McCain is too old, and has too many health issues to be counted on to hold down the most stressful job in the world for 4 years.

    The Southern states will see a huge turnout of black voters, and will mostly go to Obama.

    The South, the swing states, and the blue states will be sufficient to put Obama in the White House. He may only win 52% of the popular vote, but he will take more than 2/3 of the electoral votes.

    I really don't see it going any other way.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I think what this really shows is that both candidates have their liabilities and are failing to inspire a majority of the people.

    The only people who seem to be unswerving in their devotion to McCain are the partisans who are convinced that all Dems are the spawn of Satan anyway.

    As for Obama, he has the Dems in his corner becuase he is their candidate. However, I also feel he has gathered so much interest only because people do want a change from our leadership in DC, even if they aren't convinced Obama is the answer.

    My main concern is that we are going to have another contested election where we have no clear cut winner with a majority. Either one would be preferable to a repeat of the 2000 fiasco.

    Bottom line: This country needs a strong leader who can unite the various factions of our country, and neither of these two look like the one we need.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    All this nonsense wears thin as people figure out that Obama is an empty suit with no experience, and doesn't have the courage of his convictions.

    Despite all the hyperbole, supporting a "woman's right to choose" is pro-abortion.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:56 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I think what he said in the Audacity of Hope makes perfect sense. He's talking about how in our Constitution, there are always those who will argue what it was really talking about, and how that is a good thing in our democracy. I, for one, would love a president who is willing to be challenged in his or her thinking. Barack is a very fair, level headed man, who can think for himself, but is always willing to have a conversation. I saw an interview with one of his college friends who is now a professor at Yale. Barack had a question about something he was not familiar with, which his friend happened to teach, so he called him up and simply said "Tell me what you know about this issue." McCain, I believe, wouldn't admit that he doesn't know the answer, and those are some of the dumbest people I know.

  • Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    LOL, like Obama was ever going to get a significant portion of the Conservative block's vote anyway. Many believe his is Muslim. He respects a woman's right to choice. Hasn't offered tax cuts for those who really don't need them Not to mention he is of mixed race. The list goes on...

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