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Pro-Huckabee Activists to Dissuade McCain on Romney Ticket

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Supporters of former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee will meet with presumptive Republican nominee John McCain on Wednesday to persuade him not to name former campaign rival Mitt Romney as his running mate.

McCain is tentatively scheduled to meet with about 10 social conservative activists and religious leaders from Michigan, according to The Detroit News. Another group of about 40 Huckabee supporters will meet separately with a McCain campaign liaison, said Debra Matney, a Huckabee supporter who is helping to organize the meeting.

Leah Yoon, a McCain campaign spokeswoman, confirmed that the Republican candidate plans to meet with “grass-roots and faith-based leaders” during his visit to Michigan on Wednesday.

McCain’s vice presidential pick is expected to be a major point of discussion at both meetings. Although McCain has remained tight-lipped on his vice presidential selection process, insiders say Romney is among the short list for the position.

But Matney said the Michigan activists and religious leaders want Huckabee to be on the ticket, but if that is not possible, then they want Romney not to be on it.

Romney, a Michigan native, was popular among conservatives earlier in the primaries. But then Huckabee became the favorite for conservative voters given his consistent record of conservative stances, his ability to weave biblical references into speeches and his deadpan sense of humor.

Many conservatives had expressed hesitation on voting for Romney because of his relatively recent conversion to social conservative stances on abortion and gay “marriage.”

Moreover, some Christian voters are uncomfortable with his Mormon faith, which they consider not only non-Christian but even a cult.

According to Matney, some Huckabee supporters will not vote for McCain if Romney is his vice president.

“That’s not the sentiment of everybody,” she said. “(But) we would certainly rather have somebody other than Romney on the ticket. Who he chooses will speak volumes to us.”

In Ohio, another group of social conservatives are also declaring they do not want a McCain-Romney ticket.

“Christians are praying earnestly for the right person,” said Diane Stover, an Ohio-resident who was a delegate for the Huckabee campaign, according to The Columbus Dispatch.

“McCain wouldn’t have been our person. But we definitely feel like it would be a huge help to John McCain to pick someone we can be confident will represent the value-voter position. I don’t think it helps him at all in Ohio if he picks Romney.”

McCain, according to Stover, is not a “real conservative,” but she and other conservatives she knows will vote for him in November because, among other things, of his consistent anti-abortion voting record.

Stover and other conservatives are trying to form the group Social Conservatives Against Romney. They say they hope their group will spread to other states.

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  • Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    chris70 "Joseph Smith is a false PRophet and his Church is all about the profit!"

    the likes of robertson, roberts, falwell, lindsey, hagee, etc have made nice profits themselves peddeling religion to the masses.

  • Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sure we want to dissuade him - the guy is a phony. Look at the way he changed all of his positions to run (sort of like McCain right now trying to pretend he is one of us). A bit strange he thinks we'll vote for him.

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The whole Mormon religion relies upon the Catholic Church going total Apostate in the second century. Funny, there is absolutely no historical record of this.

    If you accept this notion, then all Protestants are not Christians either since only the Mormon Church has it right.

    Did I tell you about how their leader died...? IN a GUN FIGHT! The book of Mormon first book had so many errors in it, that many LDS fell away. After 89 versions of the book of Mormon they finally got rid of the spelling and grammar errors. Inspired, I think not.

    They are Polytheist. They deny Christ is God and they deny the Holy Spirit is God. Enough said!

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer,

    Moroni is the plural form for more than one Moron. :)

    Joseph Smith after being visited by an Angel, declared his town to be under martial law and he was shot and killed in a gun fight. Funny, I don't normally read about saints who were in gun fights where they shot back?

    Joseph Smith is a false PRophet and his Church is all about the profit!

    McCain 2008!

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:13 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Most American's DO NOT favor abortion. Nor do they wish to align themselves with factions dedicated in butchering innocent babies inside and outside the womb. And NO, that baby is NOT the women's body; it is a separate body with a separate heartbeat and separate brain activity. And YES, the unborn baby FEELS PHYSICAL PAIN as it is being ripped out of what should be the safest place on earth - mother's womb!

    The Planned Parenthood abortionists lie to young women all the time just to get their money, while those ex-mothers and ex-fathers suffer emotional distress as they realize everyday that they have just allowed a child killer to convince them, not only to take their money, but also to kill their precious little baby. Abortion STOPS A BEATING HEART and the future of a civilization.

    People weep and wail over the loss of a High School football player destined for a great professional career who had been gunned down by a random shooter, but yet we will never know the great deficit future generations will suffer for the loss of over 50 million innocent babies in this country alone. Shame on America for tolerating this horror ... and shame on its citizens for tolerating their personal complacency. Pro-choice is a lie - Babies do not choose to die!

    Away with this archaic freakish, barbaric practice! It will soon be done away with, along with these fake pro-abortion polling numbers! As long as the president chooses judicial nominees his Vice-president better be pro-Life if he is ever going to win an election.

    "A nation that cannot protect its most innocent and helpless citizens and the sanctity of human life is a weak nation that will utterly collapse economically, socially, relationally and entirely." - HMH

    ATHEISM is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. Get out while you still can.

    http://www.evolutionfacts.blogspot.com

  • Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    VICE-PRESIDENT MIKE HUCKABEE HELPS MCCAIN WIN IN 2008

    Most American's DO NOT favor abortion. Nor do they wish to align themselves with factions dedicated in butchering innocent babies inside and outside the womb. And NO, that baby is NOT the women’s body; it is a separate body with a separate heartbeat and separate brain activity. And YES, the unborn baby FEELS PHYSICAL PAIN as it is being ripped out of what should be the safest place on earth - mother’s womb!

    The Planned Parenthood abortionists lie to young women all the time just to get their money, while those ex-mothers and ex-fathers suffer emotional distress as they realize everyday that they have just allowed a child killer to convince them, not only to take their money, but also to kill their precious little baby. Abortion STOPS A BEATING HEART and the future of a civilization.

    People weep and wail over the loss of a High School football player destined for a great professional career who had been gunned down by a random shooter, but yet we will never know the great deficit future generations will suffer for the loss of over 50 million innocent babies in this country alone. Shame on America for tolerating this horror… and shame on its’ citizens for tolerating their personal complacency. Pro-choice is a lie - Babies do not choose to die!

    Away with this archaic freakish, barbaric practice! It will soon be done away with, along with these fake pro-abortion polling numbers! As long as the president chooses judicial nominees his Vice-president better be pro-Life if he is ever going to win an upcoming election.

    "A nation that cannot protect its most innocent and helpless citizens and the sanctity of human life is a weak nation that will utterly collapse economically, socially, relationally and entirely." - HMH

    ATHEISM is a CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. Get out while you still can.

    http://www.evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/

  • Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:59 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Billy Graham's Prayer For Our Nation

    Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your
    forgiveness and to seek your direction and guidance. We
    know Your Word says, 'Woe to those who call evil
    good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We
    have
    lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. We
    have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. We have
    rewarded laziness and called it welfare. We have killed our
    unborn and called it choice. We have shot abortionists and
    called it justifiable. We have neglected to discipline our
    children and called it building self esteem. We have abused
    power and called it politics. We have coveted our
    neighbor's possessions and called it ambition. We have
    polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called
    it freedom of expression. We have ridiculed the
    time-honored values of our forefathers and
    called it
    enlightenment. Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts
    today; cleanse us from every sin and Set us free.
    Amen!'

    Commentator Paul Harvey aired this prayer on his
    radio program, 'The Rest of the Story,' and
    received a larger response to this program than any other
    he has ever aired. With the Lord's help, may this
    prayer sweep over our nation and wholeheartedly become our
    desire so that we again can be called 'One nation under
    God.'
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Huckabee is the best choice for VP

  • Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    I see I'm getting some people who are upset because I mentioned the fact that JS never was visited by God or Christ, but only by the angel Moroni and yet they appear to offer no defense. Plus I've always wanted to ask this question, the closest thing to the word mormon I find is moroni, so where did the word mormon come from, since I can think of only one other word that comes close to the word moroni?

  • Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "Why then are there so many Christian churches today?"

    David M, doesn't revelations talk about these different churches. Maybe you should look those up and try to figure out which one the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints falls under.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    David M, plus wasn't it the angel Moroni, who visited Joseph Smith?

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    David M, now SMU that's a school to look to if you want some real biblical insight, NOT!

  • JHS »
    Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    People don't vote for president based on the VP, if you right wingers are that worried, go to the Bob Barr for president website, I have a strong feeling you will feel at home there.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:18 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    David M, the Bible is self-authenticating and its own interpreter. Ezekiel 37:15-17 in context explains the Northern and Southern tribes of Israel being brought back together (the two sticks). The Northern tribes were taken by the Assyrians and the Southern by the Babylonian. God is not trying to rebuke Himself and say that the Bible is not correct and therefore I am going to bring forth the book of mormon to correct it since the two obviously differ in doctrine. Isaiah 29:4 in context is about God calling for repentance for Israel due to their idolatry, chasing of their own will, and prideful speaking. The speaking from the ground is the prideful boastful speaking being humbled to a whisper as a reult of the judgement being brought forth. God's Word says not to add or subtract from His word.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    A typo mistake in a copy of the Bible or inaccuarate translation of a word or passage cannot be used against the Bible. A scratch in a Chevy truck does not mean that it is no longer a truck.....my dear friend David M...the most important proof that the Gospel is the divine Word of God comes when it is prayerfully read. God's Word will enlighten your mind and God will knock softly on the door of your heart. He'll truly speak to you and change your life!

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    McCain is thinking of Mitt for VP? I thought they hated each other.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:34 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 4

    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6
    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:21

    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have :cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:22

    And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:23


    For I tesitify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Revelation 22:18

    And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:19


    The Book of Mormon, whatever the source of the book it is not the God of the Bible. The Book of Mormon teach beliefs and practices which are Contrary to the Bible. Not only do Mormonism teach a different doctrine of God than that revealed in the Bible, it also teaches a different doctrine of man, sin, the afterlife, salvation, etc.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:09 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Some criticize Mormon's for their view of the Bible (i.e., that it is the word of God, but has been translated incorrected at times). Interestingly, current research at SMU supports the Mormon claim that there were mistakes in the translation of the Bible.

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:00 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    The Bible did not predict the reformation however. Instead, it predicted a restoration or restitution of all things in the fullness of times (see Acts 3:21; Ephesians 1:10; Isaiah 29:14; Ezekiel 37:26; Daniel 2:44; Matthew 17:11; Romans 11:25). This pattern of apostasy and restoration is very common throughout the history of the Bible. It is also important to note that many of the founders of the reformed churches agreed that there was an apostasy and they awaited the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ (see attachment).

    As a young boy, Joseph Smith wondered why there were so many churches and why they were teaching different points of doctrine. He prayed to receive wisdom from God (James 1:5) and was visited by God and Jesus Christ who told him that none of the churches were ordained of God. They also told him that if he was worthy and obedient, he would be the means to restoring God’s church as predicted in the Bible. It is also interesting to note that God promised to send Angels as a part of this process (Malachi 3:1; Revelations 14:6). The visitation of Angels occurred many times in the Bible (Gen. 18:2; Gen. 21:17; Gen. 28:12; Exodus 3:2; Number 20:16; Judges 6:22; 1 Kings 13:18; Zech. 1:9; Matt. 4:11; Matt. 24:31; Matt. 28:2; Luke 1:19; John 20:12; Acts 5:19; Acts 12:23; Hebrews 13:2; etc.).

    There are many evidences that the gospel of Christ has been restored and is now taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They ranged from the organization of the church (prophet and apostles), to tithing, lay clergy, Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthoods, modern day revelation, temples, the important of faith and works, being saved by grace, missionary work, eternal marriage, Bishops, a correct view of what a Saint is (people trying to obey God vs. a being that is worshiped by others – see 1 Cor. 1:2; Eph. 1:1; Eph. 2:19; Eph. 4:12), and others.

    We invite all to read and ponder the Book of Mormon. It is a companion to the Bible, and was even foretold in the Bible (Ezekiel 37:16-19 discusses how the Bible is the stick of Judah and how the stick of Joseph would be its companion; in times past, the scriptures were referred to as sticks; the Bible obviously discusses God’s dealings with the Jews; who were the remnants of Joseph?). Isaiah 29:4 also discusses how truth would come out of the ground (which is exactly where the Book of Mormon came from) and that it has a familiar spirit (as it is aligned with the Bible). We declare with humility that, through the Book of Mormon, we can know the truth of all things (Moroni 10:4).

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:59 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 2

    If you are interested, here is a Mormon's view of our theology:

    In Ephesians 4:5 we learn that there is “one Lord, one faith and one baptism.” Why then are there so many Christian churches today?

    First, it is necessary to remember that the Bible teaches that God works through prophets (see Amos 3:7). Even Christ established His church with an organization of prophets and apostles (see Ephesians 4:11). One of the key elements of his church was revelation from God to man through a prophet.

    However, Christ was crucified and his apostles were killed under the hands of Roman soldiers. Priesthood leadership was taken or removed from the earth. Men were left to their own understanding and disagreements arose about doctrine. This is known as the apostasy, which was predicted numerous times by the Bible (see 2 Thes. 2:3; Amos 8:11; Matt 24:24; Isaiah 24:5; Isaiah 60:2; Acts 20:29; 1 Tim 1:6; 2 Tim. 1:16; 2 Tim. 2:18; 2 Tim. 4:4; James 4:1).

    It is very interesting to note that history supports the apostasy. In The Council of Nice in 310 A.D., a group of politicians and scholars debated doctrine and issued decrees on the Trinity, indulgences and forbidden marriage for church leaders.

    Over time, members within the church began to note that some of the teachings emanating from Rome were not in accordance with the Bible. This led to the reformation. Ulrich Zwingli wanted to abolish the worshipping of saints. Luther did not approve of indulgences or celibacy for monks. Calvin was concerned about predistination and desired a separation of church and state. King Henry wanted a divorce, and therefore started his own church when it was denied by Rome. In the United States, John Wesley disagreed with the Anglican Church. Men started religions in an attempt to reform the Roman Church or other faiths that followed. Instead of being called by God, men obtained degrees in religious studies and claimed authority to speak in the name of God (a very different practice than noted in the Old or New Testaments).

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:45 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    John McCain will in his search process for a VP rely on his Christian faith roots. If it turns out that he doesn't choose the one the moral christian majority feels it should be I suppose he will have received it from a false GOD. Wake up hypocrites!! GOD is "no respector of person" or for that matter respector of groups. I do not see any Romney supporters organizing a campaign against the moral majority. If he is not chosen as the VP canidate he will still be in support of the republican ticket but I feel certain the same can not be said of this hypocritical so called conservative christian group. McCain has already written 75% of them off. Later ...

  • Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:44 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    I for one, will vote for Obama if McCain chooses Huckabee. Don't want Romney either though.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:03 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 10

    Well somebody obviously enjoys suppressing the speech of people they disagree with. It's ridiculous. Romney changed every single one of his positions when he ran for president. He was instrumental in getting gay marriage in MA and was pro-abort. Huckabee has been consistent.

    If you flag this, I'll just repost it.

  • FT »
    Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:42 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    It would be wise of McCain to avoid Romney. There is little doubt in my mind that such a choice would cost McCain the election. On the other hand, surprisingly, I think a Joe Lieberman pick would be good for McCain.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virgin ... out_b.html

    On the othere site it was posted by "giantrobot" instead of "News Source"
    http://christianpost.com/article/200808 ... ortant.htm

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Mr. attackdog, stay your attack. The flack that Romney got has little to do with him being a Mormon by and large. I am rather surprised at Mormons such as yourself who will vote for someone who is a Mormon when you publish pro-family commercials.

    ****Romney is any thing but pro-family.****

    http://www.romneyfacts.com/
    http://massresistance.org/romney/
    http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:35 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

    Their are several high government officials who are LDS. Harry Reid Demicratic Senate Majority leader, Senator Orin Hatch and many others they have never mixed their religious beliefs with their politics. I still am wondering why it is Religious Leaders and Huckabee supporters who are always out to stop Mitt Romney. I sense some religious bigotry here. Gov. Mitt Romney is the most qualified and for a hurting economy he couldn't make a better pick.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    attackdog- Read my posts, unless someone abusing & misusing the arbitrary Flag option censors me again. There is good reason why not to vote for Romney. He barely carried anything beyond his home state & a scant few others. He used the MA governorship just as a stepping stone for the presidency, flip flopped on issues & he wasn't a conservative until he decided to run for prez, then he 'saw the light', he lied & deceived about his religion (I heard him) 2-3 times in his campaign, and this is a modus operandi of his Mormon/LDS Church (I can document this, including what I heard myself on a tape by LDS apostle Packer & read it in the official LDS mag, Ensign, etc. He follows his leaders in this. If I can't trust him to be honest, upfront on his own religion, I can't trust him in his politics I wish it weren't true, since I think he speaks & holds himself well, etc., but those are the facts. I am not a believing Christian, BTW.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    PART 1 of 2- JedMerrill said, "When it comes down to it, there is nothing we need more than a Mormon in the White House. We missed our first chance. Let's not miss our second!" The first time we 'missed' a Mormon is the White house is Joseph Smith, the founding false prophet & con artist. We definitely didn't need him in the WH. Romney is a recent convert to actual conservatism. He LIED 2-3 times about his Mormon religion. I heard it myself. Once was when a person asked the candidates if they believed the Bible was the error free, inerrant word of God. I don't agree with him asking that question, but it is what Romney said is the real 'revelation'. He said "Yes, um, I believe the bible is the word of God." The Mormon/LDS Church actually denies that in several ways: 1) The Book of Mormon said the Bible was pure when it was in the hands of the Jews (up to the 1st century, really), THEN "the great abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches" was formed and it "took away MANY plain and precious things FROM the book of the Lamb of God" and they did it "that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord". (1 Nephi 13). That is a good way to unpack the Mormon-speak language when they say, in their Articles of Faith "We believe that the Bible is the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly". J Smith concealed the true doctrine. It isn't just translation from language to language, but mostly transmission. J Smith had supposed revelation to restore the Bible's missing parts with their Book of Moses, and the Joseph Smith Translation (Note they misuse translation again). He greatly took away & changed many parts of the Bible that Smith "might pervert" the Bible's teachings on "the right ways of the Lord". Just check out the JST John 1 with any translation, and you start to skim the top of the changes he did. They also REJECT the Song of Solomon/Song of Songs. The footnote in their edition of the KJV says "The songs are not inspired writings." (LDS KJV Song 1:1 footnote).

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    PART 2 of 2- The official Ensign magazine in their March 2008 issue had a reprint of a past Ensign article when living LDS apostle Boyd K Packer, who is now the president of the LDS/Mormon 12 Apostles, said the reason we don't find 'atonement' more in the Bible (concerning Jesus' work), is that it was taken out. Without any evidence, just his assertions, he further attacked the Bible's inspiration, and worsened the Mormon's regard for the reliability of it- as a claimed apostle of Jesus. Romney lied about this. He knows his doctrine. He also was deceptive when asked about the LDS Church & polygamy. The present LDS Church wants to skirt around, avoid, and dodge the fact that it still officially has polygamy as a righteous principle, and Young, Smith, etc., were correct in living polygamously (Doctrine & Covenants 132, etc). He dodged directly answering the issue of whether the LDS Church believes in polygamy, NOT whether they practiced it. The LDS Church conceals, deceives, and is not upfront on their true beliefs. If I cannot trust Romney to be upfront, and have integrity about his religion, I certainly cannot trust him to be so on politics. This is the modus operandi of the official way the LDS Church operates, and Romney, a holder of their priesthood, a person who has held a number of church offices, including mission president, follows his false leaders. Let's not follow him as a political candidate we vote for, or support. Even if a non-Christian reads this, it doesn't have to be about who is right or wrong on religion. it's a matter of integrity, and his track record as someone who cannot be trusted, politically, or religiously. For good sites on Mormonism itself, with a few articles on Romney, see: LHVM.org, MRM.org, and UTLM.org.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I would love to see Gov. Bobby Jindal or Sen Sam Brownback! Both extreme conservatives!

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    As far as I know, McCain hasn't picked a VP, yet. I hope it is a conservative - Pawletry (spelling?) sounds good & he's an innovator. Young too- that helps offset concerns about age w/McCain. Twoo white haired people will not help thoise concerns. I also hope McCain will see the problems with the illegal aliens in this country. They get special things, while others who do everything according to the law, get sent away after their visa expires. I know someone who had that happen to him. He's back in Brazil. There's a better chance to get things done better without the radical liberalism of Obama.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Don't McCain already have a VP, I heard he already asked someone

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    PART 1 of 2- JedMerrill said, "When it comes down to it, there is nothing we need more than a Mormon in the White House. We missed our first chance. Let's not miss our second!" The first time we 'missed' a Mormon is the White house is Joseph Smith, the founding false prophet & con artist. We definitely didn't need him in the WH. Romney is a recent convert to actual conservatism. He LIED 2-3 times about his Mormon religion. I heard it myself. Once was when a person asked the candidates if they believed the Bible was the error free, inerrant word of God. I don't agree with him asking that question, but it is what Romney said is the real 'revelation'. He said "Yes, um, I believe the bible is the word of God." The Mormon/LDS Church actually denies that in several ways: 1) The Book of Mormon said the Bible was pure when it was in the hands of the Jews (up to the 1st century, really), THEN "the great abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches" was formed and it "took away MANY plain and precious things FROM the book of the Lamb of God" and they did it "that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord". (1 Nephi 13). That is a good way to unpack the Mormon-speak language when they say, in their Articles of Faith "We believe that the Bible is the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly". J Smith concealed the true doctrine. It isn't just translation from language to language, but mostly transmission. J Smith had supposed revelation to restore the Bible's missing parts with their Book of Moses, and the Joseph Smith Translation (Note they misuse translation again). He greatly took away & changed many parts of the Bible that Smith "might pervert" the Bible's teachings on "the right ways of the Lord". Just check out the JST John 1 with any translation, and you start to skim the top of the changes he did. They also REJECT the Songs of Solomon/Song of Songs. The footnote in their edition of the KJV says "The songs are not inspired writings." (LDS KJV Song 1:1 footnote).

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    PART 2 of 2- The official Ensign magazine in their March 2008 issue had a reprint of a past Ensign article when living LDS apostle, and now the president of the LDS/Mormon 12 Apostles, said the reason we don't find 'atonement' more in the Bible (concerning Jesus' work), is that it was taken out. Without any evidence, just his assertions, he further attacked the Bible's inspiration, and worsened the Mormon's regard for the reliability of it- as a claimed apostle of Jesus. Romney lied about this. He knows his doctrine. He also was deceptive when asked about the LDS Church & polygamy. The present LDS Church wants to skirt around, avoid, and dodge the fact that it still officially has polygamy as a righteous principle, and Young, Smith, etc., were correct in living polygamously (Doctrine & Covenants 132, etc). He dodged directly answering the issue of whether the LDS Church believes in polygamy, NOT whether they practiced it. The LDS Church conceals, deceives, and is not upfront on their true beliefs. If I cannot trust Romney to be upfront, and have integrity about his religion, I certainly cannot trust him to be so on politics. This is the modus operandi of the official way the LDS Church operates, and Romney, a holder of their priesthood, a person who has held a number of church offices, including mission president, follows his false leaders. Let's not follow him as a political candidate we vote for, or support. Even if a non-Christian reads this, it doesn't have to be about who is right or wrong on religion. it's a matter of integrity, and his track record as someone who cannot be trusted, politically, or religiously. For good sites on Mormonism itself, with a few on Romney, see: LHVM.org, MRM.org, and UTLM.org

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mitt Romney supporters are flagging all the positive talks about Huckabee.. I just Got flagged for posting some simple positive information regarding Huckabee's Track record...
    Six months after former Arkansas Governor Huckabee left office, the financial figure are now reported. His legacy to the state, financial Independence with a revenue surplus exceeding $1 Billion. No debt!

    He's consistent pro-life and Pro-family..

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    attackdog3 read below some of the Mormon's beliefs.

    Should we elect a candidate that believe these things. Should we elect someone who flip flops on their issues 1 year a liberal and the next a conservative... We have to chose people with a consistent solid belief system.

    The LDS Church is the only true church. The Lord told Joseph Smith personally that all other churches are an "abomination." Any non-Mormon church is automatically part of the "church of the devil." No other church has the valid priesthood. The devil has even made a pact with many Christian pastors to teach Christian doctrines about the Trinity and salvation by grace. But in public we say that all religions are good and have some truth.
    #

    There are many gods. We deal with three of these distinct gods from the council of the gods: Elohim, Jehovah, and the Holy Ghost.
    #

    God, the Father,was once a man like us. His name is Elohim, and he had a literal father before him. (That means there is a god even higher than God the Father!)
    #

    We can progress to become gods of our own worlds just like the god Elohim.
    #

    Jesus is the brother of the devil, not his creator.
    #

    Jesus was not born of a virgin. Elohim had sexual relations with his daughter, Mary, to bring about the conception of Jesus. (Not all Mormons are familiar with this teaching.)
    #

    We are not permitted to pray to Jesus, but only to another god named Elohim.
    #

    Celestial heaven is near a star called Kolob.
    #

    The Bible contains doctrinal errors.
    #

    Polygamy is an eternal principle. Mormons still believe in polygamy, but just can't practice it right now.
    #

    Black people were cursed with their black skin because of their inferiority in the pre-existent life.
    #

    Native American Indians are really Israelites who were cursed with red skin because of their sin.

    Just to name of few of their believes

    read the rest at:

    http://www.exmormon.net/nice.html

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike Huckabee is the best V.P. candidate for the G.O.P. for the following reasons: His Prolife and Pro Family record is consistent unlike Romney.

    As far as the U.S. economy is concerned Huckabee has a proven track record read below:

    Six months after former Arkansas Governor Huckabee left office, the financial figure are now reported. His legacy to the state, financial Independence with a revenue surplus exceeding $1 Billion. No debt! Arkansas is no longer the "poor step child." http://arkansasgopwing.blogspot.com/2007/07/huckabees-legacy-to-arkansas-state.html

    And Best of all He is a True Christian, God fearing Man! as He has proven in his campaign he is not ashamed of his faith in Jesus Christ! Remember the Christmas commercial where he said it's all about Christ!

    Read more:

    answers2why.blog.com

    swordbearer4@gmail.com

    Godbless you all..

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:08 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 1

    Romney is unelectable.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:39 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    P.S. Both Romney and Ridge are "stiffs" who will do nothing but add to the "rich white guy" image of the GOP. People don't want a CEO, they want someone who will fight for their values.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Bot-- "somewhat different"? How about, polytheistic? According to the Mormon church, God the Father and Jesus were both men like us at one time, then attained godhood, and men alive today can become gods just like them.
    But the reason I will not vote for Romney is not his religion, but his political opportunism. I don't believe for a minute he is really pro-life.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I think the primaries taught us that many Christian conservatives won't vote for Romney because of his pro-life flop and cult religion. Rice, Crist and even Lieberman are all better candidates, but McCain has to win Florida to have a chance at this election. Making Crist the logical choice.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:44 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Romney changed every single position he had held when he was governor of Massachusetts. He was instrumental in getting gay marriage in the state. He was also rabidly pro-abort. Maybe he did change, but Mike Huckabee has been consitent on his policies.

  • Bot »
    Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:53 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 2

    Mitt Romney is uniquely qualified to tackle our country's economic and fiscal issues: devaluation of the dollar, out-of-control spending, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Mitt has turned around companies (Staples, Home Depot, etc.), the Olympics, and the State of Massachusetts. When you add to that conservative social values, and an exemplary personal and family life - - He's the best choice for McCain’s Number Two.


    Mitt Romney has the right qualifications (the only one with non-governmental (Bain, Olympics) leadership experience, a deep-seated faith, a vision for this country's future, and an exemplary personal and family life. He won most of the GOP debates.

    Mitt has the organizational skills to help MCain run a campaign in the general election and run the country. Obama has never even run a lemonade stand. Mitt would appeal to the Independents and some Democrats for his unique qualifications in these times of economic uncertainty.

    Let's display our Christianity towards those whose concepts of Christ are somewhat different than ours.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    thank you conversative voter and grannyt for making my point.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:51 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Everyone knows that most people vote with their wallet so to speak. But you either you serve God or mannon (money); only one has top priority. Pick carefully. Your answer will be recorded. There will be no hanging chads on this one.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:24 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 2

    I don't get. Presidential election after presidential election Mormons vote for the "Christian Conservative". In fact Utah is continuously the most red state. But for some reason people who are ignorant to what Mitt Romney believes will not vote for him because "Mormon". If any truly Christian person was logical enough to really check what Mitt Romney believes, politically/religiously they would be honored to have him in the White House.

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 12

    Only Huckabee will do, I don't trust anyone else on McCain's VP list

  • Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:10 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 9

    The Detroit paper baited Debra into admitting some Huckabee supporters don't trust Romney and some won't vote for McCain if Romney is his VP. The meeting is really about working together with McCain while promoting the values most important to us. We want McCain to choose a VP that has a consistent record for promoting those social values. Romney is among a list of others that we cannot support which includes people like Rudy, Condi, Crist, Ridge, and any other social liberal. Romney has not done enough to win our trust of his just in time to run for president conversion on the social issues. Huckabee has a consistent record of championing pro-life and pro-traditional family issues.

    Another thing that will be discussed is the Fair Tax that we believe will help our economy.

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