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Society|Sat, Aug. 16 2008 09:12 AM EDT

Gay 'Marriage' Opponents Seek to Reverse New Law

By Glen Johnson|Associated Press Writer

BOSTON - The gay "marriage" fight in Massachusetts might not be over after all.

Opponents of same-sex "marriages" are seeking a ballot question that would prevent gay and lesbian couples from getting married here if their union wouldn't be legal in their home state.

Brian Camenker of the group Mass Resistance said Friday lawmakers and Gov. Deval Patrick bowed to the will of the "gay lobby" last month by approving the repeal of a 1913 statute that banned such marriages.

Patrick, the state's first black governor and the father of a daughter who recently announced she's a lesbian, said the 1913 law had racial undertones from a period when interracial marriage was discouraged.

"The Legislature and the governor changed our marriage laws to please the well-connected minority and force a social experiment into other states that's very offensive to a majority of the people, at least the way the votes have been going," Camenker said, referring to recent votes in favor of gay "marriage" bans in other states.

He was particularly critical of an emergency preamble attached to the repeal. It bypassed a normal 90-day waiting period and made the law effective immediately. Opponents typically use the 90 days to present signatures and delay the law until it can be put to a ballot vote.

"The fact that this happened the way it happened just adds to the sense of sleaziness and underhandedness of the whole process," Camenker said.

The group will need about 32,000 signatures to get their question on the ballot.

Gay "marriage" advocates who had celebrated the repeal said they were disappointed but not surprised by the petition.

"I've learned that when it comes to equality for gay and lesbian people, the struggle is never over because there are certain people that are just strongly opposed to any rights for gay people. It's never shocking; it is disappointing," said Marc Solomon of MassEquality.

Gay Massachusetts residents have been allowed to legally marry since 2004. Opponents, such as former Gov. Mitt Romney, said the 1913 law prevented Massachusetts from becoming the "Las Vegas of same-sex marriage." California also permits same-sex marriage and has no restriction on out-of-state couples.

Mass Resistance filed paperwork with the secretary of state's office on Wednesday. The measure has been forwarded to the attorney general's office for review.

The state constitution prohibits referendum questions on subjects that relate to religion, judges, the courts, particular localities of the commonwealth, state appropriations and certain provisions of the constitution's Declaration of Rights. Attorney General Martha Coakley has 14 days to review the proposed question.

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  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The God of Truth most certainly was not telling you to speak in the ways you have on this article. God does not support bullies.

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok, knock yourself out.
    But I am truly done on this article. I've spoken the truth, and that's all God told me to do.

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As a teacher, I will not stand for bullying, which means I have to put them in their place.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And you've proven that you say one thing and do another. You said you weren't going to talk to me anymore about this, and yet continue on.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So far, you've proven nothing. Well, I mean you have proven that you are a hypocrite and narrowminded, but that's about it.
    I know that God loves you. That has never been a question. But you have to accept His love, and want to change into His image. And that goes the same with homosexuals too. He loves them, and wants them to separate themselves from that which is destroying them. Because their sin separates them from God, and He longs to have a relationship with them. But He can't as long as they hold on to their sin.
    God, please help them.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now go back to your playground and find someone else to try and pick on

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Homosexuality is a sin. And I pray daily for those who are in bondage to such sin. I pray that God will someday open the eyes of those who claim to be Christians and yet remain, willfully, in their sin. And I pray that God will show mercy upon them for their arrogance in blaming God for their sin, and even claiming that God condones it. I'm not sure what judgement awaits them, but I pray for God's mercy.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well seeing as how I have the truth, you should know its hard to handle. You are like a scummy school yard bully who can't keep their ignorant mouth shut, so you keep saying the same things over and over again in an attempt to be hurtful. I pity your ignorance, and pray that one day you will realize the hurt you are trying to inflict is anything but Christian. My spirit sores over yours, regardless of how many times you spew your hatred.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Homosexuality is no different from incest or polygamy. Well, actually it is. Homosexuality is worse. At least in incest and polygamy, for the most part, the relationship is between those of opposite sex.
    So to fight for the homosexuals right to marry, but deny those people the same right is hypocritical and judgemental. You are denying them the right to marry whom they want.
    Homosexuals say that love is between consenting adults. Adult incest and polygamy falls well within those guidelines....
    Argue all you want, the truth is hard to handle.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yo've got to admire people who say "I'm done talking to you about this" but keep on going anyway.

  • Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You said incest is a sexual orientation, but that's different from pointing something out. To point something out is to say a fact, and its a fact that sexual orientations are homosexual, bisexual, or heterosexual. What you do during sex, in the case you are speaking of being incest, does not determine your sexual orientation. That would be like saying people who are attracted to blonds have a certain sexual orientation.

    I am not judgmental, you are quite the pot calling the kettle black. You falsely lump anything you consider sexual deviancy into the same group and think we all must stick up for one another, yet you refuse to entertain dialogue. Rather, you reiterate the same point over and over without ever really listening to the other side. You are hopelessly ignorant.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    MIke,
    I thought you were done talking to me about this?

    You said "You did not point out incest is a sexual orientation"
    Check out my post at Friday, the 12th at 8:52.
    I said "Incest is a sexual orientation."
    I also said "A brother loves his sister and wants to marry her...he's heterosexual. A sister wants to marry her other sister...she's lesbian."
    So don't lie and say that I didn't say something I did.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As with almost every homosexual, or homosexual advocate, I've discussed this with, they have refused to grant the same respect for those of other preferences because they think it's gross. They judge others as they complain about being judged. They claim that homosexual relationships are about love, but for some unexplainable reason, incest relationships BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS isn't about love. Almost every time the talk of ADULT inscestuous relationships are brought up, they suddenly start spouting about pedophilia. What in the world does incestuous relationships BETWEEN ADULTS have to do with kids?
    They say that incest marriages breed defects among their children. But what kind of children do homosexuals create? The homosexuals respond that marriage isn't about procreation, but about love. Does anyone see how childish the argument is?
    And if birth defects were truly on their list of things that they want to do away with, then they would be better off fighting to keep those who already have genitcally created defects from breeding (such as those with dwarfism.) But they wont. Because they are hypocritical. They aren't serious about their concerns. They will make up whatever they want to justify their sin.

    For those who are homosexual, or their advocates: If you want to marry, and you refuse that right to anyone else, you are just a bunch of hot air, self-centered, and judgemental.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    My, haven't we reversed the roles now! When did I ever say they deserve to marry. You did not point out incest is a sexual orientation, and that isn't a matter of opinion.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey, I'm not the one who consistantly (and erroneously) talks about pedophilia when we are obviously talking about relationships between adults.
    If a person wants to legalize homosexual marriages, they are intolerant and narrowminded if they won't support other relationships, regardless of your personal aversion to their taste.
    As pointed out, incest is a sexual orientation. If a brother wants to marry his sister, he is a heterosexual and deserves to marry. If a brother wants to marry his brother, he is a homosexual, and (according to you) deserves to marry.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I explained that as well. I'm done having this conversation with you. I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I am quite sure anyone who reads the posts will see that you have nothing to add worth reading.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sorry, I forgot to answer that.
    The answer is "Nothing"
    So next question. Why did you bring it up?

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So, what does adult incest relationships have to do with pedophilia?

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you are embarrassing yourself and your cause by your stupidity. I did, very clearly, say that you did not talk about pedophilia, then talk about why I was talking about it, but you pretend not to know anything of it. Please explain the jump in logic you made in connecting homosexuality to pedophilia to incest in your last post. It made no sense. The effects of pedophilia and incest are often the same, whereas homosexuality does not cause anyone any harm, which is, again, why they are not at all similar issues, despite what your backwards and twisted mind would like to think. You are trying to link ideas which simply aren't there, and the fact that you believe you have God's support in doing so is laughable at best. God gave you a wonderful brain, please use it to have logical discussions instead of playing stupid (although its clear its a game you often win at!)

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike,
    So far all you've done is told me when YOU mentioned pedophilia. (Which proves my point). But you haven't shown me where I (me, prophet, the one writing this post) brought up pedophilia. So can you please do that for me?

    You said "Adults who were incestuously victimized by adults in their childhood often suffer from low self-esteem, difficulties in interpersonal relationships, and sexual dysfunction, and are at an extremely high risk of many mental disorders, including depression, anxiety, phobic avoidance reactions, somatoform disorder, substance abuse, borderline personality disorder, and complex post-traumatic stress disorder."

    Wow, that's the same thing they say about homosexual pedophilia, and heterosexual pedophilia. Interesting. So homosexuality really isnt any different than ADULT incestuous relationships.
    By the way, can we keep the discussion about sexuality as it concerns ADULTS. Because that is what this is all about. You keep veering off into lala land, trying to avoid the fact that you are intolerant and narrow minded.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Adults who were incestuously victimized by adults in their childhood often suffer from low self-esteem, difficulties in interpersonal relationships, and sexual dysfunction, and are at an extremely high risk of many mental disorders, including depression, anxiety, phobic avoidance reactions, somatoform disorder, substance abuse, borderline personality disorder, and complex post-traumatic stress disorder.[4][6][7]
    Consensual adult incest is very rare.[3] Consensual incest between adults is criminalized in most countries.

    That's from Wikipedia....I also checked out the article you posted...the advocacy group named in the article isn't real. So sad, too bad, but better luck next time. You really need to work on your reading comprehension dude, its checking your credibility left and right!

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    in post at 1:34: I never said you compared me to a pedophile. There, I pulled it out, clear as crystal for you. Again, its as if you're trying to be stupid, seeing as how its right there and your eyes somehow missed it.

    As for birth defects: I never said I am against birth defects, but thanks for putting words in my mouth like a true "christian." You will stop at nothing on your smear campaign, and its unfortunate that your little buddy buys into trying to spread lies and hatred like you.

    First and foremost, incest is not a sexual orientation, that shows your lack of knowledge. Sexual orientation refers strictly to the sex of the person you are attracted to (I am attracted to the same sex, you are attracted to the opposite sex.) Even if you are screwing your sibling, your sexual orientation would depend on whether they are of the same sex or the opposite sex. Understand?

    Birth defects are often uncontrollable. If you've ever watched "Little People, Big World" you'd see that people with dwarfism aren't guaranteed to pass the genes onto their children, and you can actually have that tested now. Incestual relationships do produce children with defects, often mental, all the time. There is a difference between being in love because its how you are born (born gay, born with dwarfism) or choosing (you choose to have a relationship with your sibling, but you are not born with some sort of predisposition to love your sibling romantically.)

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    I did read your post. It didnt answer my question of when I mentioned pedophilia in any of my comments.

    Incest is a sexual orientation. They are sexually oriented towards those of close relations. Even if it wasn't, it's no different than homosexuality. They deserve their right to love and marry whom ever they want. Love is love, and should be allowed between any consenting adults, regardless of sexual orientation. Incest is about sexual orientation. A brother loves his sister and wants to marry her...he's heterosexual. A sister wants to marry her other sister...she's lesbian.

    By the way, like Jester, I'd like to know you answer to his question. Since you're so against birth defects, why aren't you lobbying to keep those with existing problems stemming from genes, from reproducing?

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No Jester, because one has nothing to do with the other. There is no link between the issues other than you disapprove of all of them. You attempt to paint me as being on the same side of incest, but incest has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation (sexual orientation being straight, bi, or gay.) Incest could cross the boundaries of sexual orientation, hence it is not the same issue!

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    See my post at 1:34, I answered your question. I am not name calling, I pointed out a truth, you are not reading my posts. Its almost as if you are trying to act stupid!

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i know what you mean, proph. he just doesn't understand. i dont think he checked out your links. i did, and it scares me that incest agenda is growing and gaining strength. and i agree that mike is a hypocrite and intolerant because he doesnt believe that incest romantic relationships are about love. i should add that i am talking about adults here not kids. and if hes worried about birth defects then he needs to start pushing to keep those with dwarfism and other defects from having kids. thats how he would prove that hes serious about his convictions. the same with homosexual relationships. if he really wants to prove that he believes that homosexual love is real love then he will accept all forms of love between consenting adults.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Name calling....the first sign of a weak argument.
    I gave you two links about the upcoming groups of pro-incest advocates.
    You haven't answered my question. Where did I mention pedophilia in any of my posts?

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I actually have answered your question twice now, you're too stupid to realize it though. Perhaps if you read what I wrote, rather than salivating for the next time you can try to spread your ignorant lies, you would have seen it.

    As for incest, it has nothing to do with gay marriage, so we will not become a gateway for all hell to break loose. It is scare tactics, you are trying to connect dots that just aren't there. Gay marriage has been legal in multiple states and countries for some years now and I have yet to hear of siblings coming forward to get married.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Then why did you bring up pedophilia, when I mentioned incest? Did I bring it up when you brought up homosexuality? No.
    But you still haven't answered my question: Everytime someone brings up incestuous relationships, all the homosexual's deviant and twisted minds first thought is pediophilia. I wonder why?
    What I hear from you is someone who refuses to give to other groups the same rights you fight so hard for. Hypocritical...at best.
    Ever heard of Family Rights Empowerment and Knowledge Society? The nations largest advocate of incest relationships.

    I read another interesting article.

    http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=590

    I find this funny. You and most homosexuals condemn incest as immoral and gross. And yet, they feel the same way about you. Maybe that's why you don't support them.

    Point is this...incestuous relationships, and their advocates, are far more advanced than you think. They have their groups and associations, and are working their agenda to be given the same rights as you.
    It's not scare tactics. It's fact.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you are the one with your head in the sand. You claim gays always think about pedophilia, but I was brining it up as another example of the extents Christians will go to in their endless smear campaign against gays. I never said you compared me to a pedophile, although now you have by saying that's all I can think about (couldn't be farther from the truth, actually!) Gay marriage is not a catalyst for other groups to come storming through the doors asking for marriage. Gay marriage has a clear line drawn: it is 2 consenting adults who are in love. Talking about incestual marriage or people marrying their animals is nonsense, either because of the children it will produce or because of the fact that the animal cannot give consent. I would be interested to know, since you seem to compare incest to gay marriage: Are there studies you have found which show people who are in love with a sibling were born that way? If not, then incest is a choice, verses homosexuality, which is not.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Read this article in Time magazine....incest among adults is already an issue....

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1607322,00.html

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You still haven't answered my question. Where in any of my posts did I talk about pedophilia? Let me answer that for you. None.
    Next question. How many times, when I speak of incestuous marriages between consenting adults, does the person I'm speaking to ignore the phrase "adults" and immediately start spouting off about pedophilia? Everytime.
    But the this question I still don't have an answer for. Maybe you can expound.

    Everytime someone brings up incestuous relationships, all the homosexual's deviant and twisted minds first thought is pediophilia. I wonder why?

    And you say that I "see being gay as sexual deviance"...well I wonder why, when all you think about is pedophilia.

    Marriage (and love) between consenting adults (whether siblings, parent/children, polygamist) is in no way any different than homosexuality. It's about love. Just because you view incestuous love as digsusting in your eyes. Hypocrite.
    By the way, to contradict your supposition...30 years ago, the idea of gay marriages wasn't even heard of. So, please don't tell me that in 10 or 20 years (if not sooner, most likely) that these other groups will be lobbying for their rights as well. Get your head out of the sand. Homosexual rights is simply a catalyst for other sexual views to promote their agenda. They're just waiting to see how this all pans out for gays.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet: I love that you speak as if I thought this up. Do you know how many times people have grouped me with those who screw animals or go after children on this website? Hmm, its truly a "christian" site, isn't it?!? You cast accusations that cannot be backed up, each one more absurd than the one before.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Everytime someone brings up incestuous relationships, all the homosexual's deviant and twisted minds first thought is pediophilia. I wonder why?

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Do you see anywhere, on any of my posts, that talks of pedophilia. So far, I'd say that that is the biggest scare tactic of them all.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You group homosexuality in with heterosexuality. No difference. And where did you get pedophile at?

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No, because YOU group all the groups along with homosexuality, when in fact they are not at all intertwined. You see being gay as sexual deviance, I do not (because it isn't!) I love my partner, a pedophile is not in a "relationship" with the child they have power over, regardless of what they say. People who have sex with animals are not in a relationship with them. Polygamy I do not personally have a problem with, but I do not see them as coming forward just because there is suddenly gay marriage, but you promote that they will to try and rally more support for marriage bans. Siblings marrying each other I am against because it WILL produce children with health problems. If they want to be together and cut their parts out, who am I to judge? I am not a hypocrite, you are throwing out words which mean nothing because I can see that you fear gay marriage. You will stop at nothing to continue your smear campaign on gays, including comparing us to pedophiles or sexual deviants.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    O wow. Mike, this is between you and me. And your refusal to accept and support these other relationships has nothing to do with fear. That in itself is a stretch. It's all about your hypocricy and intolerance. Period. Because the point is this: if you were accepting and supportive of these other relationships I would have more respect for your point of view.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You are grasping at straws for an excuse other than the Bible to not allow gay marriage, and its just not working for you. Gay marriages can produce children, either through adoption or insemination, and studies prove that the children are just as normal as a child raised in a straight relationship.

    When speaking about incest, the bigger issue isn't the cultural taboo, its the fact that they WILL produce unhealthy children, it is a proven fact.

    The point I made previously still holds: You are attempting to scare people out of supporting gay marriage. Polygamy has been around for ages, as had incest. It happens all the time in our country, yet neither of those groups have come knocking on legislative doors because gays inspired them by trying to get married. All the groups are not tied just because you attempt to make us all about sexual immorality. Gay marriage is its own issue, and its foolish to keep bringing up "Well what about people marrying their goats, siblings marrying, groups marrying, bla bla bla" when really, that is not tied into gay marriage. You attempt to make people think the issues are related, which is untrue, but it scares people out of voting in favor or gay marriage because they think they will open the flood gates for a cultural downslide. Simply not going to happen!

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That post from 2:11 isn't a quote of an actual conversation that we've had. It's an example of how ridiculous your argument is, when you afford rights and "love" to one group of people, and not to another...and yet call me intolerant.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As far as your concern about cults that promote polygamy. Does that make it wrong then? No. There are cults that promote monogamy....maybe we should say that monogamy is wrong because some cults practice it.

    And whether it's a few, or many, everyone's rights must be taken into account. Let me ask you, how many incest couple will it take to make it an issue? One? A hundred? A thousand?
    I am not trying to scare people. I'm just showing them how much of a hypocrite you are.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now you're talking in circles, mike. I've already addressed the situation with procreation and incest. It would help if you paid attention. Shall I go over it again?
    You: Incest relationships create unhealthy children.
    Me: What kind of children do homosexuals produce?
    You: None, but why does marriage have to be about procreation?
    Me: Because you say it does, since you think that for some reason incest is about procreation but homosexuality is about love.

    In other words, when you say that incest marriage produce unhealthy children, I point out that homosexual marriages produce NO children at all, and then you point out that marriage is about love not procreation. So you've just made my point. Incestuous marriages are a legitimate relationship according to your own definition.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sibling marriage produces unhealthy children, we know this. If polygamist marriages were not tied to a cult the majority of the time, I might feel differently about them. I am not being close minded, but when you say "What if..." about groups that are an extremely small portion of the population compared to the group we are currently talking about, you try to scare people out of their decision. "I was going to vote in favor of gay marriage, but I am afriad that will lead to people asking to marry their goats." BS! Look at where gay marriage has happened so far, and look if any petitions have been filed for siblings, animals or groups yet. I would also argue, these groups have nothing to do with gays, so why are we being discussed? If they want to mobilize to get married, then we can hear their case at that time.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And on the same point, I don't believe it's the schools right to teach about sex and sexuality. It's the parent's responsibility. But the parents cop out and and too scared or embarassed to talk about it, so they leave it to the schools who teach sex outside of marriage is ok...and then us parents wonder why teen pregnancies are so high. I sat my son down and talk to him all about the birds and the bees, abstinece, love, sex. Did I teach him about birth control? No.
    A. The schools do a bang up job doing that.
    B. If he's man enough to do the deed, he can take responsibility for his actions.

    You see, Planned Parenthood loves our curriculum. Because they know that a majority of youth will not use birth control all of the time (which is obvious by the rate of teen pregnancies we have). And in doing so, it boosts their business as legalized murderers.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Many sex ed classes talk about using condoms primarily to prevent pregnancies"
    Where's abstinence?

    It's untaught and unheard of in most schools.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Scare tactics? C'mon, keep this at a mature level. Love and marriage between two consenting adults (as homosexuals like to claim) is not hurting anyone, even if they are siblings. Explain to me how that can hurt anyone. It can't. I think if anyone is trying scare tactics it would be you.
    And that's rather narrow minded of you to believe that polygamy is because of brainwashing. You forget Utah. I agree that in many cults that polygamy is abusive and not about love. Just as in many cases, homosexuality isn't about a "committed relationship". But I've been around long enough to know that a majority of polygamists do so with the consent of all parties...with no brainwashing, no abuse, and they live happily and peacefully. You've to to realize that even in hetero and homosexual relationships there is abuse.
    So please, if you're gonna have any credibility in promoting homosexuality, you need to be supportive of these other viewpoints. They need a voice too, and they need their rights to marry.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Many sex ed classes talk about using condoms primarily to prevent pregnancies, hence, gay youth have the idea that they don't need a condom because they can't get their sex partner pregnant. Inclusive sex education talks about abstinence as well as the dangers of STDs and the fact that if you choose to have sex, regardless of whether it is straight or homosexual, you need to use a condom (including for oral sex.) This is not encouraging our youth to be promiscuous or to try having a same sex partner, but it is educating them on how to keep themselves safe.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, "they can be safe during sex", can you elaborate on what you mean, thanks?

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Again, scare tactics. We are talking about the very real issue of gay marriage which hurts no one! Obviously incest hurts people, obviously polygamists such as those in Texas are brainwashed and degraded (those who have survived all agree!) No, what children learn through the media is not OK for me, because they learn gays are supposed to just be flippant about relationships and can never be committed. Gay youth need to learn that they can be safe during sex as well and that they can have committed, healthy relationships.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "but most kids know its out there just by watching the news."
    That's what I've said about homosexuality, but you don't think that's good enough for you all, so why should it be good enough for them.

    "we talk about incest in schools and the dangers of it when we cover Western Civ and why many of the sovereign lines went crazy."

    Well, this is the 21st century. We do have this thing called birth control, vasectomies, etc. As proven by homosexuals, marriage (even among siblings) is not about procreation, otherwise homosexuality would be out on it's ear. If siblings were to get married and want to have kids, they can adopt. And even if they wanted to have children among themselves, that's their right. If having "disabled" children really was an issue, then those with dwarfism would not be allowed to breed.

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Struggling to succeed in the Nashville music scene, talented singer/songwriter Parker James finds the competition fierce even deadly. A young woman's murder, industry corruption, a

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