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Church|Sun, Aug. 17 2008 12:41 PM EDT

Church-Hosted Forum Reveals Hearts, Minds of White House Hopefuls

By Kenneth Chan|Christian Post Correspondent

When the issue of abortion was brought up, McCain succinctly replied that babies are entitled to human rights at the moment of conception and pointed out his 25-year pro-life record in the Congress and the Senate. Obama, on the other hand, stood by his pro-choice platform but reiterated that he is not pro-abortion.

“I don’t think women make these decisions casually,” he explained. “They wrestle with these things in profound ways – in consultation with their pastors or spouses or their doctors and their family members.”

Obama suggested that there were other ways to lower the abortion rate, including the reduction of the number of unwanted pregnancies and the providing of resources that allow women to make the choice to keep a child.

The democratic senator was also put on the spot when asked about his thoughts on faith-based organizations, struggling to answer directly Warren’s question on whether faith-based organizations should forfeit the right to access federal funds due to their policy on hiring people based on faith.

“Generally speaking, faith-based organizations should not be advantaged or disadvantaged when it comes to getting federal funds by virtue of the fact that they are faith-based organizations,” he said.

McCain also had his share of awkward moments.

Most notably, when asked what it means to be a follower of Christ and how faith works out in his life on a daily basis, McCain replied that he’s saved and forgiven and quickly went into telling the story of his run-in with a Vietnamese Christian soldier during his time as a POW.

“I’ll never forget that moment,” McCain said after recalling the moments of solidarity he shared with the Vietnamese Christian soldier.

On the other hand, Obama – who has been noted as more spiritual, though liberal, than McCain – replied clearly that Christ “is a source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis.”

“I know that I don’t walk alone, and I know that if I can get myself out of the way, that I can maybe carry out in some small way what He intends,” he said.

In their conclusions, both candidates claimed their ability to reach across the table as a strength that they would offer to America as the nation’s next president.

“I have a record of reaching across the aisle and working with the other party, and I want to do that and I believe, as I said, that Americans feel it’s time for us to put our country first,” said McCain during his one-minute summary on why he wants to be president.

In addition to his “ability to build bridges across partisan lines, racial, regional lines,” Obama said he feels like the American dream “is slipping away.”

“I think we are at a critical juncture economically; I think we are at a critical juncture internationally,” he added.

After the two-hour event, Joshua Dubois, who serves as Obama's national director of religious affairs, praised the Illinois senator for having done "a phenomenal job."

"Now, I think, a lot of people will be leaning toward him," Dubois told The Christian Post.

Stephanie Vogelzang, evangelical consultant for the McCain campaign, meanwhile noted how "authentic and genuine" McCain's responses were.

"I thought he brought a ton of energy," she added.

On Sunday, Warren was scheduled to deliver a special sermon, entitled “The Kind of Leader America Needs" and based on biblical principles of leadership. The next Saddleback Civil Forum in September will feature former British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

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  • Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "There is no seperation between them."

    Actually, there is. God is separated from the sin of man. Only through faith in Him can that separation be broken. God takes no responsibility for the sins of man or the sins of the nations of man. He will, however, judge all men for their actions.

    The concept of separation of Church and state in a democracy is very misunderstood. The term 'Church' used here is an entity and not the body of Christ. In England, the Church ruled the population even to the point of sinning against them. This is what our founding fathers came here to get away from.

    With that said, the body of Christ is made up of individual people. Those people have a right to their religious beliefs and to vote according to what they believe. This is why it is so important for Christians to vote. We WILL be held accountable for how we voted (or didnt' vote). It is a responsibility given by 'Ceasar'.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Keith Ellison was the HR that was sworn in using the Koran, the first person either in the House or Senate to do so.

    I probably will not bother to watch the debates. We'll see. At this point I could care less about Warren and what he stands for. I was pleasantly surprised to see how direct the questions were. They were not softball at all. I also see that the kind words Obama had towards McCain only lasted until the forum was over. Almost immediately he went after him. I did not appreciate his comments accusing Clarance Thomas of being incompetant. That is what liberals, including sad to say blacks, use when they disagree with a prominent black person. When it comes to whites they say they disagree. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

    True Christians know that he spent 20 years in a church that is unitarian in their leanings, that is, find your own path to God and you will get there. That is not the true gospel. Sad to say my FORMER pastor Bishop Carlton Pearson has joined this ungodly denomination. That right there told me that Obama probably has never accepted the true gospel. His mocking of the Bible concerns me greatly.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The fact that atheists have faith in the improbable odds and chance as the "creator" of the universe and life means that they are superstitious by definition.

    Lets define the word Faith:
    faith Audio Help /feɪθ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[feyth] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
    2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
    3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
    4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
    5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
    6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
    7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
    8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
    —Idiom9. in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad.

    Now do you fall in any of these categories. I'll help you out. Read # 4.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:52 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Therefore with holito8's comment he has admitted that Atheism and secular humanism is a religion and it should not be mixed up within American politics. So what do you have? Answer: A whole lot of nothing.

    I never stated such. Your surreptitious spin is not very clever. Please try again. Misquation Scripture does not make you wise, only foolish because you do not understand. Jesus is not apart of all of us. Remeber, you are not a beliver, and the Bible which you quote tells He is not in a nonbeliever.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:30 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Therefore with holito8's comment he has admitted that Atheism and secular humanism is a religion and it should not be mixed up within American politics. So what do you have? Answer: A whole lot of nothing.

    Yes Jesus is Lord and that means he is King. And His kingdom is WITHIN US and is not of this world. Look it up for yourself.

    Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here." (John 18:36)
    Jesus said,"nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you." (Luke 17:21)

    He is so real that he makes an impact within us and takes away our old sinful nature in order to give us a new one by His power.

    The fact that atheists have faith in the improbable odds and chance as the "creator" of the universe and life means that they are superstitious by definition.

    http://www.evolutionfacts.blogspot.com/

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:19 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The bible says that EVERY person will have the opportunity to learn the truth and then make a choice..... there is no other way to the Father but through the Son. I find that every time Obama talks he is in circles and hardly ever answers with a straight reply. He has an agenda........they all have agendas, though his is far more dangerous to christians. Do not be fooled, he is not what he wants to us to perceive. Rick Warren also happens to be affiliated with the masons so we know what where his agenda lies.......... In these times the bible tells of what we will be facing........nothing should surprise us! I know that as a christian God will protect me, but if I didn't have peace in Christ, I would be scared about my future! Our goal in life is to serve God, not other things.......no matter how serving it might be to others, it has to be done for the Glory of God!!! We as a nation have bent so much to others demands that we have lost the right to the freedoms we once enjoyed, God once was a cornerstone of this country, but no more and that is why we are in peril. Everything will happen according to God's will, but be ready and keep your eyes to the sky!!

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:33 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    “Now, we believe in the separation of church and state,” Warren said in his introduction before heading into the first round of questions with Obama, “but we do not believe in the separation of faith and politics because faith is just a world view and everybody has some kind of world view.”

    Either Warren is no pastor, or he is not well versed in Scripture. Jesus is both King, (ruler of state) and Lord, (the completer of your faith, church). There is no seperation between them.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:23 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    You are distorting what Senator Obama said about there being other ways to get to heaven than Christ. He only mentioned that there were good people of other faiths. The fact is, none of us is in a position to say who is going up or who is going down. The Bible tells us not to do that. God gives people different gifts. Politicians cannot go as deep into their faith as pastors can. I think Senator Obama was the only one to mention Christ by name with Rick Warren."Christianity- What does your faith in Jesus Christ mean to you? Obama said I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I am redeemed through him. I do not walk alone. Those sins that I have are washed way. I have an obligation to give back to society through deeds.

    You are incorrect. No true believer would even or can even says there are other ways into heaven. If so, you migh as well says Jesus is a liar; Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes unto the Father except through Me.... The Scriptures spoken by the prophets only spoke of Jesus. Nor is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among me by which we must be saved.

    The fact is, none of us is in a position to say who is going up or who is going down. Actually that is not true, a true faith follower knows where he is going. Only those who are not true faithful question where they are going. The Bible tell us not to condemn because we have all sinned and fell short of the glory of God. If you condemn your sin will also condemn you, God does not have to forgive it.
    Jesus said there will be many that come in My name. I tell them I know you not you workers of iniquity.

    stanjz, what people have not had the opporunity to know Jesus?

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Really great photo op for Pastor Warren. Not even Pat Robertson gets this and he's a known political figure.

    All criticisms aside, congratulations to Pastor Warren on landing such an event.

    I doubt this will change any polling numbers, but Pastor Warren has some political influence now....at least for the remainder of this election.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:11 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    It's unbelievable that Obama cannot answer a simple quesiton about when he thinks babies have "human rights," instead dodging it by saying it is "above my pay grade." If he is president, who is above his pay grade?

    As Not WRIGHT for America (http://www.notwrightforamerica.com) points out, Obama clearly does not believe life begins at birth, that's why he voted agains the Infants Born Alive Protection Act. So when does he think life begins, 1 month, 1 year? Oh, that's right, above his pay grade! What he means is we should ask Planned Parenthood. That's who he takes orders from on this issue.

  • Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    You are distorting what Senator Obama said about there being other ways to get to heaven than Christ. He only mentioned that there were good people of other faiths. The fact is, none of us is in a position to say who is going up or who is going down. The Bible tells us not to do that. God gives people different gifts. Politicians cannot go as deep into their faith as pastors can. I think Senator Obama was the only one to mention Christ by name with Rick Warren."Christianity- What does your faith in Jesus Christ mean to you? Obama said I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and I am redeemed through him. I do not walk alone. Those sins that I have are washed way. I have an obligation to give back to society through deeds. McCain said he was saved and forgiven."
    http://cards6.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/contrast-identified-in-rick-warren-civil-forum-with-obama-and-mccain/

    It's well spoken about in the media that Barack is more comfortable talking about his faith than Senator McCain. Too many take the strong arm approach with Christ. They want to grab people by the arm(so to speak) and force them to say Jesus first and then teach them about Christ later. It doesn't work that way. There were hundreds of millions of people who lived and died and never had a chance to have the Gospels presented to them. Only Christ Himself is fit to judge those people. God gives all humanity a conscience. His truth is written in their hearts.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:55 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Even though I will NEVER be a fan of Rick Warren, I have to give him credit where credit is due. He, and his staff, did put on good forum and he did ask some good questions which, I believe, will enable us to better compare and contrast the two candidates.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

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  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Diana626, please remember Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge so that you will not be judged".

    You are passing judgement on Senator McCain, and that is not your role. He stated at the forum "My greatest moral failing, and I have been a very imperfect person, is the failure of my first marriage". This is now between him and God.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    kmerci, as much as I disagree with Obama's politics, it's not fair to falsely accuse him of something. He did not use the Koran when he was sworn in to the Senate, he used a Bible. I believe it was a Congressman who used the Koran. I've checked this out on several hoax sites and they all say the same thing in this matter.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    If you get the opportunity, please review the forum again. Take a good look at the body language of each man - it speaks volumes about what is truly in their hearts and what type of leader he would be for our nation under God. Senator Obama looks down much of the time - what does that indicate? Is he telling the truth? Senator McCain looks not only at Rick Warren but at the people listening. His answers are direct, and he has no hesitation nor does he "beat around the bush" on any issue. McCain is obviously dedicated to his God, his country, and has tons of experience - he was wiling to suffer and die for his country - He deserves to be our leader. By the way, I do not see colors - nor should any of us. But I do see too many correlations between Obama and our foremost enemy - extremist Muslins who want to overcome the world and force their religion on everyone - they are evil to the core. How did McCain repond to the question about evil? Defeat it. We have no other choice for our country to remain free. It is McCain all the way for me.
    p.s. Diana, why are you so angry?

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I don't understand why everyone accepts Obama making Christian comments when he was sworn into the Senate with his hand on a Koran. His agenda is Muslim and according the the Muslim faith, it is okay to play along with the majority so long as it is in the best interest of Islamic religion in long run. It is okay to lie for Islams sake. It matters not what he says for he is a liar. He didn't cross his hand over his chest during pledge of allegiance or wear the flag pin so what does this say to you? If he makes it into office...Watch out! I am a Christian with major concerns over this candidate but I am more concerned about the American people. Have they forgotten so soon?

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    An organization called "Engineers and Scientists for America (SEA) has been trying for over a year to stage a presidential debate on science and technology. How refreshing it would be to learn opposing views on subjects that actually effect the lives of people living on the planet.

    Nothing is going to be more important in the next eight years then the next administration's policy on technology. Another eight years of current policy, and we are all done for!

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Neither seemed authentic in their profession of Jesus Christ. However, it is not up to us to judge. One thing for sure I cannot support anyone who has said publicly that a non-Christian can go to heaven. That is what Obama said in a press conference. I wish Warren would have had the guts to ask them both if they believe Jesus is the only way.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I watched Sen. Obama, and I have a difficult time believing his claims that he is a Christian. His claims last night are in such contrast to the statements he made on June 28, 2006 when he ridiculed the Bible in such a disparaging way, by calling the Sermon on the Mount, "radical" and taking the Old Testament so far out of context, as to infer the Bible isn't relevant for today's society. The only truth to his discourse then was that we as American's today are not reading our Bible, and the fact that he has a high probability of becoming President, should get us back into the Bible, and on our knees for the future of America.

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "the sins they want to "champion" while being SILENT to the sins that the majority of them..."

    You must be kinda new around here. One thing I think everyone here agrees on is politics isn't about whose 'right' but about who is 'less wrong'. McCain, btw, said it was his biggest moral downfall. In short, he admitted he messed up big time infront of God and country when it came to the divorce. Why would I champion his adultry when he doesn't? All sin is wrong. If you had to be sinless in the eyes of man to be in politics then DC would be a ghost town....

    Mike2685...I like it! How about driveway (which you park on) or our favorite 'military intellegence'. (My son just made specialist and is due to ship in about 2-3 weeks so I've heard quite a bit about MI...bless his heart.)

  • Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 5

    Gay marriage isn't an oxymoron. Its something you don't like. An oxymoron is something like jumbo shrimp, or industrial park. We need to work on your english skills =(

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