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Society|Sat, Aug. 30 2008 05:01 AM EDT

Gay 'Marriage' Foes Mobilize for Ban in California

By Associated Press Writer|Tracie Cone and Lisa Leff

FRESNO, Calif. (AP) - Michael Bumgarner says he's never campaigned for a political cause before, but his strong opposition to same-sex marriage has prompted him to join thousands of volunteers going door-to-door in support of a ballot initiative that would ban gay nuptuals here.

"I've never stumped before, but I want to be a part of this," Bumgarner said. The retired insurance executive said his late mother would "turn over in her grave" if she knew that gays and lesbians could marry.

With less than 11 weeks until Election Day, supporters of Proposition 8 are ramping up their field organization and refining their message as they seek to persuade California voters to shut the door on same-sex marriage. It's the first time voters will be asked to weigh in on the issue in either California or Massachusetts — the states where gays have won the right to wed.

An estimated 15,000 backers of the measure knocked on doors and distributed campaign literature to registered voters throughout the state the last two weekends, according to Jennifer Kerns, spokeswoman for the Yes on 8 campaign.

The initiative is a constitutional amendment, similar to ones already enacted in 26 other states, that would overturn the California Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage. It needs a simple majority of votes to pass.

Ron Prentice, director of the coalition of religious and social conservative groups that qualified the amendment for the November ballot, said the group has ordered 1 million yard signs and 1 million bumper stickers.

"Unless the people are angry, nothing will happen," Prentice said. "We are going to change the Constitution and say on Nov. 4, 'Judges, you can't touch this.'"

For now, the campaign's goal is to identify supporters and voters who are unaware or haven't made up their minds about the measure, said Al Almendariz, a retired air traffic controller.

Almendariz led a team of five people canvassing a suburban neighborhood southeast of Sacramento last Saturday, and their script was concise. The volunteers told people who answered their doors they were with the Proposition 8 campaign, an effort that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman. They didn't mention same-sex marriage unless a resident brought it up.

"We're just polling — yes or no, not trying to find converts or change people's minds," said Christina Hirst, 28, a photographer with three young children. Hirst and her husband, Justin, 33, a high-school Spanish teacher, said they joined the door-knocking Saturday because they don't want their children hearing about gay relationships at school.

The literature that volunteers distributed was intended to reinforce the campaign's message that the amendment is "pro-marriage and children" instead of anti-gay.

"California should do more to encourage families to stay together," reads the pamphlets illustrated with close-ups of heterosexual couples posed cheek-to-cheek.

Frank Schubert, who is co-managing the Yes on 8 campaign, said the outreach effort is designed to counter the principle message of gay rights advocates, who are portraying the upcoming vote as a matter of fairness and equality.

"They want people to feel like you are a bad person if you support what has been the definition of marriage since the dawn of time," Schubert said. By having face-to-face conversations about why the amendment is necessary, organizers hope to reach potential supporters who may worry that voting for the measure would get them labeled as "bigots or homophobes," he said.

Bumgarner distributed handouts listing "Six Consequences if Proposition 8 Fails" that volunteers were encouraged to use as talking points. They included warnings that ministers who preach against same-sex marriage could be sued for hate speech, churches would be sued for refusing to host wedding ceremonies for gays, and that "children in schools will be taught that same-sex marriage is OK."

The amendment's opponents dispute those claims, saying that the Supreme Court specifically exempted churches from having to participate in same-sex weddings and that nothing in state law requires teachers to discuss marriage — straight or gay — with students.

Recent polls suggest the election could be close. A Field Poll taken last month found that 51 percent of likely voters said they would vote against Proposition 8, while 42 percent said they would vote for it.

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  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Where did all those weird diamonds come from?

    Hopefully, it will post correctly this time:

    Ron Prentice Gets Rich Fighting Gay Marriage

    Ron Prentice is CEO of the California Family Council and Chairman of ProtectMarriage.com, the committee behind Prop 8 (the folks working to ban gay marriage in California).

    Ron is set to be be honored at the Values Voter Summit 2008 (September 12-14) with Focus on the Family Action's Family Champion Award.

    Justin McLachlan has broken a major story in the Proposition 8 battle: California Family Council contributions have mostly been spent on the generous salaries that Ron pays himself and his staff.

    So far, there have been about a dozen news and blog pieces that have appeared online referencing the research Justin had done regarding Ron Prentice and his shady management of donor funds.

    Folks volunteering for and making contributions to the Yes on 8 campaign should be aware that the operatives running the show have a track record of using contributions to generously reward themselves.

    Please check out this link:

    http://justinmclachlan.com/08/46/california-family-council-money

    Sorry for the repeat comment, but those diamonds were bugging me.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ron Prentice Gets Rich Fighting Gay Marriage

    Ron Prentice is CEO of the California Family Council and Chairman of ProtectMarriage.com, the committee behind Prop 8 (the folks working to ban gay marriage in California).

    Ron is set to be be honored at the Values Voter Summit 2008 (September 12-14) with Focus on the Family Action's Family Champion Award.

    Justin McLachlan has broken a major story in the Proposition 8 battle: California Family Council contributions have mostly been spent on the generous salaries that Ron pays himself and his staff.

    So far, there’ve been about a dozen news and blog pieces that have appeared online referencing Justin’s research into Ron Prentice and his shady management of donor funds.

    Folks volunteering for and making contributions to the “Yes on 8″ campaign should be aware that the operatives running the show have a track record of using contributions to generously reward themselves.

    http://justinmclachlan.com/08/46/california-family-council-money

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Nor was I saying there were...glad you are so "christian" and enjoy cutting off people's heads when they make a comment!

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike,
    You said "the native americans believed homosexuality to be natural".
    Oh, well, why didn't you say that a long time ago? That changes everything. Homosexuality must be alright the, because somebody believed it to be alright. I'm sure when I die, I'm gonna stand before a Native American and give an account for my life....
    Oh, wait....I'm gonna stand before God, and he's not Native American, American, Jewish, German, Japanese, or anything of the sort. He's God. And He says homosexuality is a sin. Native Americans aren't above God.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So sorry DP for the late reply. Just got back from Surabaya for my brother in law wedding at St. James church.

    No I am afraid I am not familiar with Parents of American school students in Penang Malaysia across the strait. In Indo they have their own American school such as JIS in Jakarta.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So sorry DP for the late reply. Just got back from Surabaya for my brother in law wedding at St. James church.

    No I am afraid I am not familiar with Parents of American school students in Penang Malaysia across the strait. In Indo they have their own American school such as JIS in Jakarta.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Good, the native americans believed homosexuality to be natural, peace out founding fathers!

  • Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If our founding Americans landed on Plymouth Rock today they would take one look around, get back on the boat, kick their compass and shove off!

  • Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    NEVER, in my WILDEST IMAGINATION, would I ever have believed that this would be an issue!!!I am just glad that my father isn't around to see this country GO DOWN THE TUBES. God will NOT be mocked! I feel so sorry for the decent people of California, who want to do the right thing. I truly believe, in my Heart of Hearts, that justice will soon come to California. God help them.

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    Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You have to follow Christ's Doctrine to be Saved; To be his True Disciple. Otherwise your a Disciple of hell.

    2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    and again:

    3Jn 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

    and again:

    John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
    John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
    1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

    You can say things like: "God made me this way, so its not sin." OR "God loves me and God is Love so its not sin." OR "I have the 'fruits of the spirit.' " OR "The spirit says this or that." If you do not follow all of Christ's Doctrine you lie and do not follow him.

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    Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
    1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
    1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
    1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

  • Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "several christian students pulled down a Jihadist Ramadan banner from nearby streets."

    Ah, youth...!

  • Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aritonang-- I went to Dalat School on Penang growing up with a number of children whose parents worked in Indonesia. You wouldn't happen to be familiar with it would you?

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But the church association (PGI) office in Central Jakarta was raided by the Jakarta metro police the other day because several christian students pulled down a Jihadist Ramadan banner from nearby streets.
    Nobody got hurt but lots of windows got smashed. Thank God.

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks believer, yes the Mennonite Anabaptist are here in Indonesia along with the Adventist. All are sisters churches in PGI (Indonesian Church Association)

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aritonang, am I to assume you live in Indonesia, that's cool. I knew some Mennonite missionaries and a Seventh Day Adventist medical missionary who lived and ministered there, the Seventh Day Adventist right before and after World War II and the Mennonites in the 70's.

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No Mike, that is what happens and it is no nonsense and was confessed by Henansyah to the police and to the National media.

    I am not saying that it applies to all gays here in Indonesia but most are acquiring adequate funds for gay marriage abroad.

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Isn't that a conflict of terms? The bad news is extreme Islamics cut off the part of the body that committed the offense.

    These Javanese are not extreme Islamics, anyway Indonesia does not practice sharia thus it is viewed as passable by the National constitution, especially since he was teaching elementary grade kids on reading the Quran.

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Henyansyah who is a gay Islamic Quran teacher"

    Isn't that a conflict of terms? The bad news is extreme Islamics cut off the part of the body that committed the offense....

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:24 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, that's what happens when we paint with too wide a brush, but I do agree that we should not use one nut case to determine our view of others sexual orientation since nuts can be found in all classes of people.

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    As I responded on the other threat you posted this nonsense on, this is shotty reporting at its finest. Clearly, you do not go on a killing spree just so you can earn money for your wedding, especially if during that spree you kill the person you're going to marry. This is no way ties into the debate, you cannot paint a picture of the gay community because there is one serial murderer, or else the straight community would have been in trouble a loooooong time ago!

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Recently there is a serial murderer case which attracts many viewers and harsh comments across Indonesia especially towards gays and gay marriages.

    Henyansyah who is a gay Islamic Quran teacher, was caught by the police in a mutilation murder investigation of his partner Hairi in Jakarta about 2 months ago.

    It turns out that he is a gay serial killer because police keep finding dead bodies in his backyard in his parents house in Eastern Java. He has then state that he is the killer of these individuals in order to acquire a large amount of money.

    Police suspects that he and his new boyfriend Novel was planning to gather enough money to go to the Netherlands to have their "official" gay marriage. For sure, Muslim majority Indonesia do not support gay marriage - thus large sum of money is required for them to have this gay marriage halfway around the world.

    Henyansyah backyard is still a large open trenches from 10 carcasses found there, it is more like a public cemetery than a backyard if you can see for your self.

    Lots of people here asks, is it true that gays would pursue any means necessary to have their homosexual marriage official?

    National Islamic Ulema Majlees of Indonesia even ban Miss Igun Gorilla, a gay comedian from National Ramadan shows in a related incident.

  • Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    well jester, dont think you understand the meaning of agnostic, try looking up definition in dictionary.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    agnostic: an uncommitted atheist.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp, "Stay away from one tree in the whole garden..."

    I had nothing to do with the garden.....

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    jester "why do you even bother with citsonga? he's an atheist, going to hell"

    not quite, an agnostic.
    hell- eternal torture treatment, exists only as a fantasy for some "saved" crusaders..

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    reveileb "I thought every reputable cable company carried the A&E channel"

    Thats good believer, I like your humor...

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    proph,
    why do you even bother with citsonga? he's an atheist, going to hell, proud of it, with no intention of changeing. let him be. just like the old Grateful Dead song says "i may be going to hell in a bucket, but at least i'm enjoying the ride"

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 2:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga,
    "How about many of us dont think it exists, I know I dont. When the heart stops pumping blood to my brain, brain cells die, then I am dead....Hey, dont have to get up on Monday AM, I like that."

    Good. Then I wasn't talking to you, was I?

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga, I thought every reputable cable company carried the A&E channel, sorry but I couldn't let that one go. I don't mean to sound callous, but your belief with regards to Adam and Eve doesn't matter with regards to the results caused by the sin of Adam and Eve. And as an agnostic I'm not suprised to hear you say you don't believe in A&E either.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "then I am dead"

    The Bible says you're already spiritually dead...it's just waiting for the rest of you to catch up. Eternal life is a gift. If you don't have it and you don't want it then you believing it to be right or wrong has no bearing.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    " I consider A&E a myth "

    People have believed many things as myth. Your loss.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "a perfect design would have mechanisms to prevent this. "

    It did. The mecanism was obedience to God. Stay away from one tree in the whole garden. Bad things happen when you override the safety protocols.

    So, why did God give them the choice? Because He isn't a control freak. He still isn't. You do what He says or bad things will happen in the long haul. Cause and effect.

    People don't want to be Christians because God is 'so controling' then they blame the fall on Him for not being contoling enough! Good grief Charlie Brown.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, "...eternal spiritual life..."

    How about many of us dont think it exists, I know I dont. When the heart stops pumping blood to my brain, brain cells die, then I am dead....Hey, dont have to get up on Monday AM, I like that.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think a better word would be denial. When you look at the arguements from the pro-gay camp they are based on feelings and not intellect. Many of the pro-gay people here deny the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, or they take it one step further down hill and simply deny that the Bible is accurate as written.

    Repentance means to turn away from and do no more. For a homosexual to have a right relationship with God would mean that the possibility that homosexuality is wrong would have to be on the table. It would have to be examined by scripture. It is not. They are in denial.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer, I consider A&E a myth

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 1:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp "Abnormal is something that is not part of the design. As I said it is not a design flaw."

    Design flaw that allows for a tumor, a perfect design would have mechanisms to prevent this.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What I see here is someone who works hard at temporal things, and yet when it comes to their eternal spiritual life, they are, yes, lazy. They don't want to change because they are too lazy to work for it. They rather sit back in their throne of lies that says "oh yeah. I can keep sinning. I don't have to change. God will understand. Love love love love." But yet when one of their children does something that their parents don't like the children are reprimanded and disciplined. Where's the love and grace that was so freely spoken of when it came to themselves, yet they can't extend the same to their own children?

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga,
    Sorry. Let me rephrase it another way then...
    Christian homosexuals hate change. They're lazy.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "The tumor in the child IS causing brain misfunction."

    That is correct. You implied that a tumor was a brain malfunction in and of itself. It is not. However, as the tumor grows into the brain tissue it causes havoc. The husband of our board chair had to have some of his brain removed with the tumor. It caused some issues for sure.

    Still, a tumor is:

    –noun
    1. a swollen part; swelling; protuberance.
    2. an uncontrolled, abnormal, circumscribed growth of cells in any animal or plant tissue; neoplasm.

    Abnormal is something that is not part of the design. As I said it is not a design flaw.

    Now, with that said, do they have support through a brain tumor support group in their area? You can find a support network at:

    http://www.braintumorawareness.org/statedirectory.html

    There is quite a bit of info at this site for all levels of understanding.

  • Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga, I did not mean that sickness and disease are a punishment for sin, but rather the result of sin's impact on creation more specifically mankind. God created Adam and Eve with perfect bodies, but because of sin we no longer have perfect bodies and are now vulnerable to sickness and disease. As for cirosis a person does not need to be an alcoholic to contract it, but it does in a majority of cases occur in the lives of people who consume too much alcohol whether they are an alcoholic or not and sometimes does not show up until much later in life when then person may no longer even drink.

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordlight, u r very funny

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga-

    It's easy to trust them with your wife because they're GAAAAAYYYY duh :P

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, "Christian homosexuals hate change. They're lazy."

    I work in an R&D environment, two of the hardest and most intelligent workers in the lab are gay. NOT LAZY, and I would trust them with my life.

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer "all disease and sickness are the result of sin. But, not necessarily the sin of the person who has it or even anyone who knows the person....."


    Makes me think of a child sent to prison for the crimes of a parent. To me, defies logic & reason. Probably why I'm an agnostic.

    "....sin of the person such as cirosis in the case of the person who abuses alcohol....."

    Its more like a disease. Unfortunately, many people are born with addictive personalities, genetic in orgin which lead to addictions of drugs and alcohol..

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp "I can answer that. A brain tumor is not a malfunction of the brain."

    Your response reminds me of a "born again" person that I use to know, he claimed he never became ill, nor his friends. He cured thru prayer. Well, "dave" called in sick for an entire week. When he returned to work I asked him what his illness was and what about his cure thru prayer. His response was that it started out as a head cold, he said he prayed, but it then left his head and ended up in his chest....I didn't press him any further on the issue.

    The tumor in the child IS causing brain misfunction. The tumor first manifested itself with seizures.....

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I accept things for what they are"

    So do I. The problem comes in that even great luck simply does not explain too many things that have happened in my life. They are beyond the 'long shot'. In fact, they simply just really couldn't happen without an outside influence.

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "is the brain tumor in a neighbors three year old a sin virus?"

    Well, since I am on the board of a Brain Tumor Awareness organization....I can answer that. A brain tumor is not a malfunction of the brain. It is a growth within the body that is in the brain. Tumors exist in many sizes and places. It is a defect of the body and not of the design of the brain.

    I had a good friend growing up who has epilepsy. One of the children I work with as a lay advocate has rapid seizure disorder. Again,not a defect of the design but rather it is caused by a number of things which may or may not be directly caused in the brain.

    When I was in high school, I went over to a friends house who was putting a new stereo in his RX7. When I walked up we started talking about it and I looked it over (I was the audio guy in the bunch) They had wired the speakers up with the positive contected to the positive and the negative conected to the negative....ground by attaching the wire to a screw in the frame. Not a design flaw....

    The problem isn't with the design but with the condition of man. We walked away from His quality control and said we'll do this the way we want to...look where it got us.

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga, all disease and sickness are the result of sin. But, not necessarily the sin of the person who has it or even anyone who knows the person. As a result of sin entering the world we have death, sickness, disease, destruction and anything else that is bad in our world. In some cases however it is the direct result of the sin of the person such as cirosis in the case of the person who abuses alcohol.

  • Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    citsonga,
    The same thing was asked of Jesus by His disciples as they were walking past a man who was born blind. I'm sure you know the answer He gave them.

    Just because someone is born a certain way, doesn't mean that God wants him/her to stay that way, and that they should use that as an excuse to stay that way (as homosexuals do). Christian homosexuals hate change. They're lazy. They're spiritually immature. And they will stay that way. And they will never have a true, deep relationship with God.

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