Has the McCain-Palin Ticket Energized Enough Conservative Evangelicals?

By Eric Gorski|AP Religion Writer

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Upstairs in a "parent-child room," a nursing mother watched the 11 a.m. service with a baby-changing table nearby and Winnie the Pooh toys at her feet. After Bible study, older kids played foosball and air hockey at Club K Rock.

Public opinion polls that show McCain winning more than seven in 10 white evangelical voters but not generating much excitement. McCain's choice of Palin provides at least anecdotal evidence that's changing.

Palin, an abortion foe, is scheduled to appear Tuesday at a reception of the Republican National Coalition for Life. The fact that she was invited to speak months ago helps explain the conservative excitement over the choice.

"I'm a strong conservative, and McCain doesn't fit that for me," said Stacey Barnett, a member of Eagle Brook, which is affiliated with the Baptist General Conference. "But his running mate gives me hope for real change, not artificial change. McCain is accused of having too many houses. She's a mother of five, and her husband works the oil fields."

Others seized on Palin's conservative evangelical Christian faith. She was reared in a Pentecostal church, still attends one occasionally and regularly attends a nondenominational church.

"To a certain degree, it legitimizes her in my mind," said Arlin Brown, who works in information technology. "Not to say one Christian faith is better than another. But it helps me think she doesn't just present her faith for political purposes. It's genuine."

In St. Paul, the McCain-Palin campaign is working to win over evangelical voters, dispatching surrogates like former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, a well-known evangelical Christian, to chat up delegates, and staging meetings with activists.

"There's more excitement than there's been in a long time," said Kelly Shackelford, a conservative Christian activist, Texas delegate and member of the GOP platform committee. "Talk is cheap in politics. We didn't want McCain to say nice things to us. We wanted him to do something. And he has."

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agentorangex »

Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:48 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"Under Clinton much of the CIA and FBI was cut back. This is why we missed the intel on 9/11."

What crack are you smoking? Prior to 9-11 they hadn't even held 1 single anti terroism meeting. Bush was presented with memos addressing 'suspecte suspicious activity in line with training for a terrorist attack' was ongoing and this was months before 9-11. Nevermind the memo he got too saying 'Bin Laden determined to strike inside U.S.'

"Bush had been in office just over 7 months when we were attacked. That is no where near enough time to rebuild our intel network."

Intel network? Please. Bush fired most of the previous staff left over from Clinton, he also was quite stubborn in refusing to head their advice on past attacks.
believer »

Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:35 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

stan, "or a deep psychological problem", you said it and you don't even make the pretense of being a conservative evangelical Christian.
Prophet »

Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:56 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Daniel,
". Have you noticed that the more we turn away from God (abortion, divorce, homosexuality) the worse things get?"

The problem with that is that the very people involved in such things don't view it as "getting worse", they view it as "progress". Sad really.
Daniel Paul »

Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:42 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Under Clinton much of the CIA and FBI was cut back. This is why we missed the intel on 9/11. Bush had been in office just over 7 months when we were attacked. That is no where near enough time to rebuild our intel network.

Why did Hillary tell a group of women voters who were anti-war that they didn't have all the facts? She was in the White House that's why. She knew what was going on over those years. It's the media like AP who has been telling the lies....

Just FYI, our military did find a large stash of nasty stuff buried in the desert not to long back. Fox News reported it but no one else did. Why? WE'RE BEING LIED TO! After all, the American people can't know what's really going on or they'd vote for McCain!
Daniel Paul »

Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:37 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"It's mind boggling to be overly concerned about what gays do."

The Bible talks about nations turning from their wicked ways for God to bless them. Have you noticed that the more we turn away from God (abortion, divorce, homosexuality) the worse things get?

I've tracked news for about 30 years. The bad news doesn't go away it just switches sectors. Even under Clinton. His revision of IDEA (300.529b) allowed schools to have special needs children arrested for any reason even if it wasn't their fault. For example, a child with tourette was seated right next to other children. When the child had a spasm his arm hit another child. He was arrested for assult and battery. Why should parents have to go through things like that? They can say what they want but they are no friend of special needs children to have signed something like that!

Under Clinton I had less money than I do now.
Daniel Paul »

Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:29 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"How can the Republican Party leaders be the lesser evil if they have done nothing to prevent or bring down the number of abortions."

That would be simple. Democrats are for funding groups like Planned Parenthood and other proabortion groups. The abortion issue isn't one of legislation but one from the courts. There is no law that says abortion is legal.

The only way to deal effectively with abortion is to have the ruling overturned which can only be done with conservative judges ruling on cases. We must first have more conservative judges on the US Supreme Court and then have a case for it to hear to make a ruling.

You will find the majority of the liberal judges that pushed through Roe vs. Wade were put on the bench by Democrats.
stanjz »

Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:00 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

I'm typing in the dark again. It's mind boggling to be overly concerned about what gays do. It may be a perversion for one man to have sex with another, but it's a fate worse than death to have to marry one. Why would anyone do that if there wasn't something physiologically different with them or a deep psycholigical problem?
stanjz »

Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

How can the Republican Party leaders be the lesser evil if they have done nothing to prevent or bring down the number of abortions. I disagree badly with some here, but I won't lie to you to win an election. I understand very well that I can be here today and gone tomorrow. I'm telling you that they are using abortion as a political tool.

Also, there is adequate examples in the Bible where you can make the case that "Love" is the most important Christian virtue, but where does it say killing is the worst thing you can do? Does it say a person cannot be forgiven for killing like it does for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Adopting gay bashing as one of the two most important attributes of being a good Christian really should open the eyes of people on how absurd the Evangelical(some evangelicals)/Republican platform is. It's mind biggling that with all the problems the world has, some would take the time to concern themselves with what two consenting adults do in private. If you think it's immoral, that's fine, but to focus on this is nuts.
Daniel Paul »

Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:45 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"The only reason the republican party tolerates us is because they can't win elections without us."

Based on political positions I think the Republican party is the lesser of two evils. Note, I made no comment about how much or little difference may be between the two!
Radias »

Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:50 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

As an evangelical christian of 42 years, I have finally seen the light. The only reason the republican party tolerates us is because they can't win elections without us. I think that Sarah Palin is a tremendous woman and worthy of the white house. However, I see her for exactly what she is; a carrot on a stick for the church to once again help the republicans get elected. I am sick and tired of being taken for granted until election time rolls around. The republican party trots out the abortion/family values/patriotism routine and we eat it up. I hate abortion and want a constitutional ban but lets be realistic - even if Mccain is elected president, he'll be up against a democratic majority house and senate and will never get the kind of supreme court judges that we want appointed to the bench. I find it laughable that we could barely stand Mccain but now that he has a "evangelical approved" VP running mate we suddenly think that he's great. Think twice before you sell your soul for politics.
James Reynolds »

Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:54 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

let me say this maybe a hundred dollars is to much for you, but if all of us supported her with 5 dollars it would be tremendous in the long haul. This is how Obama has been able to raise all of his.
James Reynolds »

Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:52 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

I for one after seeing Palins speech think she has energized this ticket. I have never been able to donate money before because I have four kids to take care of, I talked to my wife, who now homeschools our kids, and we have decided to cut our budgets this month to donate 100 dollars. I urge all of us to do the same. We need to take back the supreme court, our lives, and remind people this is still a God centered nation.
James Reynolds »

Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:38 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

stanjz
keating five scandle? get real even the democrat in charge said he did nothing wrong. The constitution gets trampled more from liberal judges. Judges have no constitutional authority to correct law or rewrite it. the republican partys lifetime record is one of promoting samller federal government role and increased local control. It is on at a stronger local control can american voices truly to heard. I dont want someone telling me how to spend my money or taking it because some one else rufuses to take responsibility for thiers. democrats take a pesstimistic look at life and believes in government to fix all things and forces things upon people. Republican take an opptimistic view and say we believe in the american people to make good decisions for themselves if given the tools needed. Iwould rather say yes or no to any program offered to me or to participate in supporting it.
stanjz »

Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:24 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Do you really want me to bring up all of Senator McCain's scandals or his associations? Or is their always an excuse for John McCain and none for Senator Obama? The leadership of the Republican Party trampled on the Constitution and turned the office of the president into that of a dictator. How many people have been fired by President Bush for scandals? Even his own former press secretary (Scott McClellan) said they pushed the case for war and I'm certain he knew there were no WMD's.
Daniel Paul »

Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:57 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"is teen pregnancy no longer about parental control?
or is it merely a question about teaching abstinance?"

Neither and both. The problem with this generation is it sees no need to be responsible. It is the 'me generation' on steroids! "If it feels good...do it" is no longer a statement of rebellion but rather a value in the younger culture. Parents telling children to be responsible is 'lame'. Cause and effect is out the window.

Thanks to the 60's, parenting has become like trying to restrain the wind (which has fast become a tropical storm). Media projects the image that being grown up and independent means making your own values instead of using your parents. For example, gay is OK no matter what your parents say....
Daniel Paul »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:32 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Alert Notice of possible hate speech blogsite. The following site appears to contain hate speech:

http://www.tips-q.com/

It has been posted as a link on this site.
SqueakyWheel »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:54 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

The next focus of media attention buzz: Barack Obama & Bill Ayers.

Look it up on the internet & see the connections!
ProfessorX »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:06 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Obama gets Booed from his own city of CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

As the latest details comes out about his relationship with an open terrorist. But I guess some "Americans" believe that National Security, and its safety is small politics, and Iran (a nation whose president said that after creating a nuclear weapon would use it against America and Israel) is small politics too?

Some liberals are so loony that they have actually convinced themselves that any terrorist attack is an inside job. I would ask the liberal to go to the Middle East where the director of CARE International went (who was shot in the head just for helping the people of Iraq) and places where our soldiers went to battle (who's beheading were video taped by members of radical islam) and tell me again how Alqueda was not in Iraq, how much you hate America and its freedoms so much that you wish the terrorists well. Nevertheless, a person's blind support for Barack Hussein Obama is truly telling.

In this election we ALL need to KEEP AMERICA FIRST and vote John McCain. And despite of Obama's disinformation campaign, McCain is the real agent for change and reform and has a history of voting against the republican and democrat establishment.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-rezko-scandal-deepens-and-widens.html
James Reynolds »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:30 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Obama's own words "I had to go get a law degree if I wanted to be taken seriously" looks like Palin was able to do it without one.
James Reynolds »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:28 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

first of all he beat Hilary not Bill. Second of all he disquailfied everyone in order to win the state senate seat. He lost his first congressional bid, won the senate seat only because ryan who was favored in polls dropped out(sex scandle. Palin championed ethics reform exposed sitting repub governor and attorney general. Beat the incumbent governor(republican) and the former democratic governor that re-ran. She passed several pieces of legislation. Sounds like they can be painted to be the same person(experience wise) depending which side you like to paint them.
stanjz »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:19 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Barack Obama earned where he is at right now. He beat a former popular two time Democratic president and his wife in a contest where she was the first viable woman for president and women made up the strong majority of voters and whites(like me) made up the strong majority of voters. Senator Clinton was twenty points ahead in the polls for the longest period of time and had the support of the vast majority of Superdelegates. Barack came back and beat her while being the first black candidate and having a funny name that scares people for no reason(grow up people). He organized in fifty states and had no money problems and had no infighting problems. At one point before March 4th in Ohio and Texas, the entire media and the entire Republican Party turned all their attention toward him and attacked him exclusively(ignoring Clinton). Rush Limbaugh asked for Republicans to cross over and vote for Senator Clinton to "bloody Barack up" and manipulate the elections. Evidence shows that many did that. Neither Senator McCain or Palin could do that in a million years because neither is as gifted as Barack and the Bible says all good things come from Christ.
DavidHart »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:27 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"His experience is thinner than Palin."

That's just the talking point. Obama's district in the state senate had a considerably larger population than all of Alaska. There is no comparison in academic credentials and there is a huge gap in intellectual horsepower. While Obama could be a $million/year partner at any major law firm by now, he chose public service. Here are the comparative backgrounds:

http://www.tips-q.com/content/obama-v-palin

The religious right are getting played by the same guy who called them "agents of intolerance." Some at the top of the Christian right pyramid are also virulently anti-Semitic so it's not just gays. The echo chamber has everyone hearing what they want to hear. However, in the final analysis, Obama in infinitely more qualified to be President than Palin should something happen to McCain.
James Reynolds »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:46 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

I don't think a law degree matters. I think it is great that an averge person who was comcerned could raise up to do what she has done. To put it better I will use the words of Obama great things get accomplished when ordinary citizens rise up to do extraordinary things. Obama thanks for the trust you put in her.
feetxxxl »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:00 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

is teen pregnancy no longer about parental control?
or is it merely a question about teaching abstinance?

my understanding is that that teens who have high self awareness and self esteem along with strong parental oversight are less likely to have unwanted pregnancies.

regardless we definitely appear to be going the way of the swedes.

one thing i do know is this will be blamed on gay marriage.
Daniel Paul »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:55 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"lets face it. if we wanted to bring home the fact that 40% of all births in this country are out of wedlock. there is no better way than to bring one into the white house."

Mark your calendar! I think feelxxl and I actually agree on something!

I think Palin's parenting says 'you did it now live with it'. Many parents would try to hide it or send the child off with relatives in Siberia or something. They are family for better or worse. Bad things happen to good people. You just have to live through it.

If we judged everyone by what happens instead of how they deal with it we wouldn't have ANY government ANYWHERE in the country!
Daniel Paul »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:50 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"I don't think you appreciate how fed-up most Americans are with this kind of politics."

Oh, yes I do!!! The things you've listed haven't got a thing on our county! Our schools need a major building project. One of the first things our new Super did when she took over was to replace the fire alarm system in one of our high schools because half the system didn't work. It kind-o goes down hill from there. So, she and our school board borrowed $315 million at 2% to build new schools. They have it sitting in a construction holding account at 4%! The area senator who sides with those who think adaquate buildings are a waste of time eliminated 3 board seats to 'punish' the school board for 'not listing to the public' who thinks 40-50 year old buildings are just fine! Of course, all that aspestoes and rain coming through the roof bad enough to knock out ceiling tiles seems to be OK.

This is typical for our area. None of the stuff you've listed rises above petty politics. Our problems directly hurt the children in our county.
feetxxxl »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:40 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

you did hear from obama............................where was this?

it sounds more like wishful thinking.
DJK24 »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:17 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

To DavidHart

Obviously Obama is a great communicator and can woo people with his stage presence. But what great ideas has he put with? His experience is thinner than Palin.

The one idea I did hear from Obama is that if & when one of his daughters gets in trouble at 16 with some boy on the basketball team there only prenatal care will involve a vacuum cleaner at a women's clinic. Conveniently they will never have to endure press.
feetxxxl »

Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:52 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

we will be no longer able to criticize the swedes for unwed births, when we elect a vice presidemt whose unwed daughter is 5 months pregnant. does getting married after conception but before birth count as an unwed mother?

lets face it. if we wanted to bring home the fact that 40% of all births in this country are out of wedlock. there is no better way than to bring one into the white house.
DavidHart »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:53 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"Second, are we being played by a pander? Why didn't McCain choose any of many possible candidates who are supporters of our values but also actually experienced and ready to be president or unexpectedly president at any time."

Two reasons. It's political calculus and McCain is impulsive. You will probably hate this polemic, but it sums up the issue:

http://www.tips-q.com/content/dear-senator-mccain
DavidHart »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:44 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

"he had many good choices I agree, but how is her experience different from Jindal or pawlenty?"

He had many other possibilities. Pawlenty is far more accomplished, runs a much larger state and has a law degree (which makes a huge difference) and he has been gov. since 2002. He also did five terms as a state senator. Pawlenty is boring.

Obama picked a VP. McCain picked a running mate. Biden will challenge Obama; Palin is way out of her depth. Whether you agree with their politics or not, Obama showed greater character and strength.
DavidHart »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:35 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

People should weigh their agenda to eliminate abortion against the real potential that Ms. Palin could end up as the POTUS. People can regurgitate the talking points but Obama has proven to be a spectacular manager, very thorough and deliberative. He is also obviously brilliant. Face it, Hillary had the brand name and a ton of money. Obama had ideas, a funny name and no money. You have to give him credit. He has been successful since getting scholarships to Columbia and then Harvard Law. As president of the law review, he was recruited by EVERY wall street firm in the country.

NcCain is incredibly disorganized and shoots from the hip. Palin is an intellectual and career lightweight.
James Reynolds »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:12 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

philo,
your argument is not very good. Anyone who knows just a little about local government knows it is common place to remove people from various positions and appoint people who share your views, that is how you are able to push your agenda through that the people voted you in for. Every time here in my city we get a new mayor the same thing happens wether they are republican or democrat.
"I don't think you appreciate how fed-up most Americans are with this kind of politics. "
as opposed to someone who says he wants to change has washington is run and wants to reach across the aisle but picked someone who has been in washington playing that politics for 30 yrs and is the third most liberal senator. and someone who played chicago politics at its best in orderto disqaulify people running against him for his first state senate run. So much for letting people have a voicce to choice who they want to represent them. Palmer would have cleaned his clock and was way up in the polls.
James Reynolds »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:01 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

I think it is ridiculous to sayu that if someone holds a ministry to promote certain moral values, can not be in the political arena given thier views. How are we as Christians to stand up for our government to be Godly if no one will take a stand. We have to be willing to take it back as much as we can slowly, for the liberal view did not come over night but over a period of 60 yrs. They knew to fast a change would not be accepted. For example gay issues. They fought for insignificant things first and as people got used to it they asked for more and more right up to a slap in Gods face over marriage. A preacher tells us how to implement christianity in to our personal lives, and it is ok for ministries to hhelp us see how we can apply it to our community through politics.
philo777 »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:59 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"Here in the south that's a statement thrown by the good ol' boys at someone who actually stands up for what's right for the people. It just means she's worth voting for."

Yep, I agree, that's what it often means here. In Washington, however, it means firing Federal prosecutors 'cause they wouldn't pursue Democrats, or stop pursuing Republicans. In Alaska it means firing a police chief and head librarian 'cause they wouldn't endorse you for mayor, or firing the Public Safety Commissioner 'cause he wouldn't fire your ex-brother in law.

Not exactly earth-shattering events, I admit, but certainly indicative of her "governing style." Don't you think we have had enough of that kind of thing, or are you too blinded by her fundy propensities?

BobTX has it nailed! This pick is nothing but a hail-mary pander of the highest order. Indeed there are plenty of other candidates that could have been chosen that would have satisfied the hard right just as well.

I wouldn't have voted for McCain anyway, but this fiasco has caused me to lose any respect I may have had for him, and I had plenty. The John McCain who ran against Bush in 200 would have won this election, in my opinion, but this John McCain has lost any chance he may have had.

I don't think you appreciate how fed-up most Americans are with this kind of politics.
James Reynolds »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:52 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"Second, are we being played by a pander? Why didn't McCain choose any of many possible candidates who are supporters of our values but also actually experienced and ready to be president or unexpectedly president at any time. "
he had many good choices I agree, but how is her experience different from Jindal or pawlenty? they bhave similiar expereince
James Reynolds »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:49 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

"Pray that Mrs. Palin is shown the error of her ways and that sacrificing her family on the alter of career and America has led her daughter astray into sin, and now her daughter needs her, more than America does."

I think the worldview helped her daughter make her choice, along with peer pressure. I think Palin is doing exactly what she needs to do, help take back her country from liberal worldviews and trying to reinstate a sense o biblical morality.
Mee »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:52 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

HypocritRUs ... haven't you heard he without sin throw the first stone .... where will you find a perfect person ... the last one was nailed to a tree ...Look at the looking glass before you point fingers ... "The Lord will not be Mocked"
Daniel Paul »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:29 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

"mostly involving abuse of power, "

Here in the south that's a statement thrown by the good ol' boys at someone who actually stands up for what's right for the people. It just means she's worth voting for.
Daniel Paul »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:27 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Welcome back, Diana!

"Pray that Mrs. Palin is shown the error of her ways and that sacrificing her family on the alter of career and America has led her daughter astray into sin, and now her daughter needs her, more than America does. "

Wow! You really are a control freak aren't you!
BobTX »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

Two thoughts:
Dobson is a case example in the saying that politics corrupts. I have lost so much respect for him as he has turned his movement from one primarily concerned with the health of Christian families into one that seems to be a partisan political force above other priorities. I worry about the health of the church when it gets sucked into politics and secular power. Instead of trying to remake the world of non-believers into a godly world, let's focus on our own community first.
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Second, are we being played by a pander? Why didn't McCain choose any of many possible candidates who are supporters of our values but also actually experienced and ready to be president or unexpectedly president at any time.
James Reynolds »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:32 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

dobson actually said he is voting for the lesser of two evils, that after prayer he come to the conclusion it is better to forgive as commanded for someone sin who recognizes as that and asked for forgiveness, then someone who coninous to belief what he thinks is right. Sounds biblical to me. Christ died for McCains sin too.
philo777 »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 3

I feel sorry for the poor daughter, dragged through the mud like this. Nothing she did (or didn't do, given her families' aversion to contraception) deserves this sort of treatment. Proper parenting, today, includes risk avoidance.

Oh well, no matter, so much stuff is coming out about Palin's "escapades" in Alaska, mostly involving abuse of power, she will be a memory by the end of the week. McCain WILL throw her under the bus rather than risk a debacle. He will lose big-time anyway, with or without the golden girl.
HypocritsRUs »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 4

Pray that Mrs. Palin is shown the error of her ways and that sacrificing her family on the alter of career and America has led her daughter astray into sin, and now her daughter needs her, more than America does.
HypocritsRUs »

Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:14 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

Only James Dobson and the Hypocritical Religious Right (that condones FORNICATION so long as you don't abort) fell for McCain's using them. In the process he received silent approval for his adultery and abandonment of his first wife.

The Lord will NOT BE MOCKED!!!

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