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Society|Fri, Sep. 05 2008 10:27 AM EDT

Palin: Pray U.S. Plan in Iraq is God's Plan

By Associated Press Writer|Gene Johnson

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

  • Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
    (Photo: AP Images / Department of Defense, Sgt. Jacob A. McDonald)
    In this photo provided by the Department of Defense, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, center, arms a simulated roadside bomb on the IED defeat course at the training village on Camp Beuhring, Kuwait, on July 24, 2007. Republican John McCain introduced first-term Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate Friday, Aug. 29, 2008.

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.

Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.

"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

Palin attended the evangelical church from the time she was a teenager until 2002, the church said in a statement posted on its Web site. She has continued to attend special conferences and meetings there. Religious conservatives have welcomed her selection as John McCain's running mate.

The Assemblies of God, which claims nearly 3 million members, is one of the biggest Pentecostal groups in the U.S. Unlike most other Christians — including most evangelicals — Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing. The Assemblies of God teaches that spirit baptism must be accompanied by speaking in tongues. Still, some churchgoers never have the experience.

Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, lamented Palin's comments.

"I miss the days when pastors delivered sermons and politicians delivered political speeches," he said. "The United States is increasingly diverse religiously. The job of a president is to unify all those different people and bring them together around policy goals, not to act as a kind of national pastor and bring people to God."

The section of the church's Web site where videos of past sermons were posted was shut down Wednesday, and a message was posted saying that the site "was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days."

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  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    seedplanter,
    You said "If the WMDs in Iraq would have been used against the US, the press would have eaten Bush alive." Yes that is true. One mistake that I do believe that Bush (and NATO) made is that they hem and hawed when they were accusing Saddam of having WMD. We kept giving ulitmatums that he kept thumbing his nose at us. We kept asking him to let our inspectors in to see, and he kept refusing. NATO was like a bulldog with no teeth. We gave him more than enough time to destroy or hide all evidence of WMD. We should have given him just one chance and then gone in. I bet we probably would have found what we were looking for then.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike and Scit,
    Neither Bush nor Clinton are running for re-election. I think that if you are honest you will admit that Clinton for the most part was operating under polls and popular opinion. I don't mean that in a demeaning way even though this has been used to criticize him. Bush on the other hand did what he thought the best thing, regardless of popular opinions. Of course no one can know what a person's motives are but God.

    The point here Scit is something that both Mike (although likely a liberal) and Daniel were making in that they understand that choices have consequences and Sometimes the results are not seen immediately. If Clinton would have gone after Osama I dare say the talk shows would have eat him up. If the WMDs in Iraq would have been used against the US, the press would have eaten Bush alive.

    To me the worst scenario has been that the ACLU, the New York Times and the rest of the libs have fought Bush tooth and nail over every single method used to track down terrorists. The number one intelligence gathering source was banking movements and the NY Times betrayed America and in my opinion should have been prosecuted for it. F A C T is if America is attacked again you might want to thank them first! Wasn't it the ACLU who lobbied for the legal maneuvering to go after any one who is suspicious of a would be terrorist? You want to blame Bush for everything??? Come on get real!

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It's interesting that the pro-Obama camp is complaining that Bush is leaving the situation in Iraq for the next President but says "oh, don't blame Clinton. He didn't leave anything for Bush. Bush did this all by himself in his first 7 months in office! It's all Bush's fault!"

    There's a word for that. Denial....

    That's funny!

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp "Better to look foolish then to put up posts like yours! "

    well at least you realize you look foolish. The first step in dealing with a personal problem is to admit the problem , now were making progress.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You really look foolish blaming clinton for the mistakes of bushie & chinie."

    Better to look foolish then to put up posts like yours! :D

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp "We got caught catching fanny...mae that is. It's been in trouble for a decade. One more 'bag' Clinton left for Bush to get caught holding."

    If nothing else dp, your posts provide comic relief, get over clinton dude. He left office almost eight years ago..........LOL. you crack me up.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet "Atheists hate what Christians are "doing to our country""

    Its not only atheists, but agnostics, jews, muslims, Hindu's and other christians that do not want to see an erosion of a separation of church & government. I would not be on CP if fanatical christians would stop their attempt to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. The US would be a better place if you mind your own business and leave your religion at home and at church. Keep it out of government, courts and the public schools.........

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,

    I am a Christian. What made you think otherwise?

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    dp, dude you really need to get over clinton, he hasnt been in office for almost eight years. You really look foolish blaming clinton for the mistakes of bushie & chinie.

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    steiner,
    You said "Go!..yes go!...in the name of God!... get out of America, and move to Saudi Arabia...or Iran...and take your putrid papers with you... "

    I've been saying that to you atheist for years now. Atheists hate what Christians are "doing to our country". If they (you) don't like it, there are numerous other countries that are atheists that you all would fit in with. Why aren't you living there?

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Is there a holy war being fought? And whose side is God on?

    Palin ought not to be afraid to answer both questions in the positive.

    She should draw from the past. Just as Americans were asked to pray for their nation and their soldiers in world war 2 against fascism....

    so even today, Americans must not forget that we must seek Christ in prayer in these days also.

    And although Pearl Harbor was a massacre committed by Japan on Americans... America sent troops to Europe first...Japan was dealt with in due course and in due time.

    The left likes to scoff at Christians by mentioning the words.. holy war...

    To the left nothing is holy. For if they truly loved freedom, free conscience, human rights.... they would be reporting on the failings of our (western) governments at addressing the appalling nature of human rights issues in islamic countries...where fascism rules...

    And when the U.N. is allowing the OIC to run its agenda on human rights..and our so called free media is not letting the public know what the OIC is doing as it is being led by countries like Pakistan...the worst human rights abusers...

    and yet seek to establish and sanctify the worst atrocities against humanity as beyond question and beyond criticism because of its islamic origins in sharia...and the media says nothing of this...then it is high time that we tell the public media that they are unholy and unAmerican...and ought to move to countries that have systems of thought that they so desperately defend.

    Go!..yes go!...in the name of God!... get out of America, and move to Saudi Arabia...or Iran...and take your putrid papers with you...

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    You're right. Why should Clinton have taken care of the problem when it was more accessable? It wasn't his responsibility. If he had done his job, there wouldn't have been a 9/11.

  • mike »
    Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to prophet
    'clinton was working on our fat bellies while he ignored the wolf at the door. Then when the wolf finally bit on 9/11.'

    what about bush. he ignored the PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEFING titled 'BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK ON US' & the president on 911 2001 is bush. bush was elected on 2000 bec. there was this scandalous, messy election in florida.

    is clinton the president on 9112001. you should get your facts straight. hahahahaha hehehe hohohohoho!!

  • mike »
    Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to prophet
    At least Bush did something besides get his female employee to give him sexual favors. He went in to get the job done

    get the job done? by lying to start a war in iraq that did not even have to do with 911. if he got the job done, then how come bin laden still alive. you cannot answer me regarding OBL why he is still alive if bush GOT THE JOB DONE. hahaha. and once he leaves office, you war mongers will blame the next president for this 'mission accomplish' on iraq. typical, create a mess dump it on others, then blame them.

    to seedplanter
    al quaida beaten beyond recovery? right now there are attacks in afganistan. hahahahaha. you guys are in denial of the situation bec. you cannot accept that bush presidency is a failre. hahahaha hehehehe. hohohoho

  • Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Since you seem to know your history you should also know that the financial turn around for the US has included at least two key problems that have been a ticking time bomb:
    1. The economy has been driven by consumerism.
    2. Loose loans by banks who should have known better"

    You've got that straight! We got caught catching fanny...mae that is. It's been in trouble for a decade. One more 'bag' Clinton left for Bush to get caught holding.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "Furthermore neither Obama nor McCain were in favor of the invasion of Iraq. "

    Ah, Obama, against invasion. mccain, was an early supporter of iraq invasion. do some fact checking.....

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    How many innocent lives did that "economic growth" cost us? Would you consider it a fair trade?

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "at least during clinton's year, there is economic growth, low unemployment & budget surplus."

    Yep. He was a smart man. He ignored our security for favor of living high on the hog. He was working on our fat bellies while he ignored the wolf at the door. Then when the wolf finally bit on 9/11, Clinton smiled smugly as Bush was blamed instead of him.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike,
    LOL. You said "and bush will do the same. he will leave the mess of iraq, economy, & bin laden to the next president."
    At least Bush did something besides get his female employee to give him sexual favors. He went in to get the job done. And as Bush said at the beginning of the war, that it would not be a quick war. But unfortunately, most people (like you ) want it quick and easy. If that's what you want, then buy Pillsbury crescent rolls.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    The CIA had Osama in their grasp during the Clinton administration. He ordered them to stand down. Bush did not blame him however. Why blame Bush? Military Intelligence has been doing their part including capturing numerous high members of Osama's henchmen. Al Qaeda has been beaten down possibly beyond recovery.

    Although you are so quick to judge Bush for everything I might say that the economic condition was predicted during the Clinton chronicles by numerous experts including the late Larry Burkett of Crown Financial Concepts.

    Since you seem to know your history you should also know that the financial turn around for the US has included at least two key problems that have been a ticking time bomb:
    1. The economy has been driven by consumerism.
    2. Loose loans by banks who should have known better.

    As far as I am concerned I think that the Republicans have been taking notes from the Democrats regarding liberal spending. Neverthless, being from a state which is controlled by Democrats, they are destroying the economy. Hospitals are not being paid, state parks are being shut down, last year a woman wasn't getting paid her pension (her husband gave his life as an officer). The state has owed me money for almost two years and I have yet to see a dime of it.

    So much for shifting the blame game!

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike, and don't forget the escapades in the o_al office, something I'm sure he is very proud of.

  • mike »
    Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    and bush will do the same. he will leave the mess of iraq, economy, & bin laden to the next president.

    at least during clinton's year, there is economic growth, low unemployment & budget surplus.

    after bush, $9 trillion debt, bin laden roaming afghanistan, iraq mess, disrespect of the US constitution (thinking he is above the law) & blaming everybody for being a DECIDER

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    By the way, the Clinton administration knew that Bin Laden was a serious threat, even during his tenure, but yet did nothing about it. He left if for the next guy to handle.

  • mike »
    Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to seedplanter

    typical. then why is it that bush has not captured bin laden. it's been 7 yrs. that bin laden has been hiding from cave to cave. instead of bin laden,- the real mastermind of 911 - he blamed it on saddam & iraq, blame it on clinton.

    'No one in their right mind can blame Bush for the next attack' - the Presidential Daily Briefing during bush term says, BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK US. what does that mean. that is a clear warning but he ignored it. and once truth like that is exposed to people like you, you start labeling people like liberal, communist, leftist. always blame others for the mistakes that bush made when he called himself THE DECIDER.

    and by the way, the problem did not start with carter if you are talking about iran. it started with eisenhower. he overthrew mosedeq & install a dictator the shah of iran who brutalized its people for 30yrs. you should read history in the 1950s & not just during carter's term.

    by the way bush flips flops too & bush's inexperience & incompetency destroyed this nation from 2001 - 2008. but always blame it on others. he is not fit to be president bec. he cannot & does not want to take the responsiblities of the mistakes he makes.

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think everyone needs to see this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "if [A]merica would be attacked again it's because of incompetence..."
    -Mike

    Mike,
    I don't think that G.W. Bush, Clinton, G.H. Bush, Reagan or Carter were perfect and without any mistakes. Many date these issues back to Carter. No one in their right mind can blame Bush for the next attack. And there will be a nother one no doubt.

    Be that as it may, if someone would have taken Osama seriously back when he initially declared war on America, it would have saved a lot of grief. Clinton had the chance to capture him years ago and decided not to. 9/11 was not the first of his attacks on American soil.

    Furthermore neither Obama nor McCain were in favor of the invasion of Iraq. McCain was in favor of the surge which has pretty much concluded the war against the insurgents. Obama doesn't know what he is going to do from one convention to the next. One day he supports immediate withdrawal and the next he wants to invade Pakistan. Then he scraps both plans in favor of a more modest "change."

    As far as whether or not Iraq and the rest of the world being better off, only time will tell. What I can say is that when friends of mine went through Iraq, they had parades and cheered them on. Iranians put signs on their roof tops saying, "Come Here Next."

    One last point, this notion of American atrocities is nothing but liberal propaganda straight from the Communist hero John Kerry himself!

  • mike »
    Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to star2
    by the way, if the leader of a nation is arrogant, corrupt, incompetent, & listens to his cronies the nation suffers.
    and that is biblical!

  • mike »
    Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I find it funny that people justify & defend the incompetency of george W. bush. nobody made the decisions for him in the past 8 years except bush himself. that is why he called himself the 'decider.'

  • mike »
    Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    to star2
    if america would be attacked again it's because of incompetence, not reading the intelligence not bec people want to feel good about it.
    that statement shows irresponsibility & arrogance. you are spinning the facts to cover up the truth.
    and by the way, the 18 wheelers (wmd labs) were an artist's impression & not the real pictures.

    to justify a war, people will lie, start labeling others 'unpatriotic' when liars are questioned & when the truth comes out, blame it to those who were questioning the liars.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mike, would it make you feel better about how rotten Bush is if America was attacked again?

  • mike »
    Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    to ipepperw
    really? may I remind you that the president during 911 2001 is George w bush who ignored the presidential daily briefing 'BINLADEN DETERMINED TO ATTACK US.' THAT IS THE TRUTH!

    bush created this very messy, expensive war in iraq by accusing everybody 'unpatriotic' when people question his war, then blame everybody for the very same mistake that he created. THAT IS THE TRUTH!

    4000 soldiers died fighting insurgents bec. bush & co. took over the 'reconstruction' of iraq for profit & greed. that is the truth!

    bush politicize 911 to justify the war in iraq!
    that is the truth!

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    pastor al "Why not believe that God has raised up President Bush and the United States "For Such a Time as This"

    I would think an all powerful god would find someone a bit more capable than george. george has been a disaster for the US & Iraq.

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:55 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I don't know why people have trouble believing that God can and does raise up leaders and nations to use as instruments of judgment.

    Why not believe that God has raised up President Bush and the United States "For Such a Time as This" (http:pg.mapleknoll.us/forsuchatime.html).

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "Maybe you were thinking of a different Hitler"

    Ja, der doppelganger.........LOL

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:09 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    For those of you who are new and didn't read the older posts here, AP completely twisted what Palin said into a lie. Compare the above to the complete stament:

    "I have a little one, but my oldest, my son Trek, he's a soldier in the United States Army now. He's an infantryman... pray for our military; he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God, that's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan. So bless them with your prayers, your prayers of protection over our soldiers."

    She is not saying that the war is God's will, she is requesting prayer that the USA will be in God's will.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sara Palin': a task from God? which god? Did this woman ever read Habbakuk? Do people really believe in a God who goes back on His Word? I for one, do not! America's involvement in Iraq is purely based on greed: the root of all evil. Time to repent America! A famine will come soon because of such egregious sins: please read Ezekiel!

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smurfdogg

    I think these people who say that the WMDs were moved out of Iraq to Syria before the war started know more about than you do.

    Colin Powell also showed satellite photographs to the UN that indicated that before the war a large number of 18 wheelers were going across the border into Syria in the middle of the night and said that they may have been carrying WMDs.

    Also, Intelligence from many different countries, like the UK, Israel, and others independently said that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. Could they all be lying?

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hitler wrote on December 13th, 1941, midnight,
    "When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944)

    Night of 11th-12th July, 1941,
    "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together..."

    9th April, 1942, dinner,
    "There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."

    Maybe you were thinking of a different Hitler Scitsonga.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953)

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    For those of you who are still arguing over WMDs, the simple fact is that both the CIA and MI6 at the very least thought they had enough evidence to utilize force. I watched the videos on AOL of the weapon inspectors going in the front gates of Iraqi facilities while trucks were going out the back gates.

    This is not a Democratic thing or a Republican thing. Clinton wanted to oust Sadam when he was is office. Do to the negative feedback recieved during one of his reps holding meetings on the issue at Ohio State, he decided not to.

    Numerous reports have come out reporting WMDs since the initial invasion. Sadam reportedly wanted Iran to think that he had WMDs to keep them off hie back, so even if he didn't have any, he played along with the game.

    Kind of makes me think of the police officer who shot a kid who didn't have a real gun.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Scit, I don't have to know German to know history.

    Lets suppose we believe everything that Hitler said was what he really believed. The following quote reveals that Hitler was a man of peace:

    "I think I can assure you that there is no one in Germany who will not with all his heart approve any honest attempt at an improvement of relations between Germany and France. My own feelings force me to take the same attitude... The German people has the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers... And I regard the maintenance of peace in Europe as especially desirable and at the same time secured, if France and Germany, on the basis of equal sharing of natural human rights, arrive at a real inner understanding... The young Germany, that is led by me and that finds its expression in the National Socialist Movement, has only the most heartfelt desire for an understanding with other European nations."

    From a letter by Hitler to the French fascist Hervé and published in the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter on October 26, 1930 [Heiden, Der Fuehrer, p. 414]

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Star2 ,
    If there is one good lesson that I have learned in life it is never to believe everything written in the news. I choose to deal with the facts. The US did not find any WMDs - FACT ! I believe in God whom I cannot see , the same cannot be said of the US government.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    scitsonga

    i loved your "i read german retort." most of the posters on cp are so sure of what god and christ said, but they have no training or knowledge of the bible's languages. like the texas pol who said, if english was good enough for god, its good enough for me.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga, no doubt the whole middle east situation has our nation in quite a pickle, kosher and otherwise.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer, thanks for your comments. Perhaps part of bin Ladens possible other motivations are what you suggest or at least helped him justify his 9-11 attack. However, the main point I have been trying to make with respect to the US presence in the ME, is that we have done much damage there and perhaps its time to let them sort it out themselves. In the eyes of bin Laden and millions Of Saudi's the US military base was a point of resentment. There were thousands of US military personnel there that used it as a base for the Air Force as you know. Bin Laden warned the US to vacate the base and to stop protecting the corrupt royal family. There is a chance in the future that if the Saudi Royal family does not reform itself, they will be overthrown by extremists , just as happened in Iran. Does America really want to be on the wrong side of history again in the ME were this to occur? Perhaps the US should have invaded SA rather than Iraq, after all, much of the funding of terrorist groups comes from SA, almost all of the 9-11 attackers where Saudi’s. It’s all very complicated there, and the US contributes to the problems there. Sadly, for OIL and the military contracts US companies have with the Royal family. In fact, the bush family is friends and business partners with members of the Saudi Royal family, all the while that they run an autocratic police state, a country that denies basic rights to woman. Iranian woman have more rights then Saudi woman, Iranian woman are at least allowed to drive cars. Why does the US continue to support the corrupt government there? I think I already answered that question.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga, using the Lord's name in vain is unfortunately not just limited to cussing.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    scitsonga, I think you make some valid points in your analysis, so the question comes to what was the primary and what was the secondary motive for 9/11. For me there is no doubt that the primary motive was what I shared in my earlier post and what you shared simply affirmed or justified their right to carry out 9/11. My guess is you will say just the opposite and needless to say that is your right and I respect that. But my last active duty assignment was with an Air Force unit that sent personnel TDY to those two locations and I can say for a fact our military presence in Saudi Arabia was minimal at best and that is why I tend to lean toward the ideological reason as the cause.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    seed "Hitler did not claim faith or guidance from God. "

    Translated ffrom German in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."

    I read German.....

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer, Actually your opinion of 9-11 and US involvement in the ME is very typical of the average American- US is the good guy and the perpetrators of 9-11 were just a bunch of crazies that attacked America because “they hate our freedom”. Of course it’s more complicated than that. I have on many occasions on CP attempted to discuss the negative influence the US and Britain have had on the ME for control of oil and strategic interests at the expense of promoting freedom for the people of the ME. Good example, which I have described many times on CP, was the overthrow of the Iranian prime minister in the 1950’s by British & US intelligence to insure control of Iranian oil by the West. The Shah was installed to protect the interests of the West until his overthrow in 1979 Iranian Revolution. If not for the West’s intervention in the overthrow of the prime minister, Iran might very well be a democratic republic today. Instead, Iran now has a theocratic autocracy. The Shah was a business partner of the US- we sold him weapons and trained his military, he sold us oil. A very similar situation exists in Saudi Arabia today. The corrupt and theocratic/autocratic government of the Saudi royal family are business partners of the US- we sell them weapons and protect them with the US military machine and they sell us oil. Back to 9-11, the US had military bases in Saudi Arabia for the aforementioned reasons, bin Laden warned the US to remove its military from there. Of course we didn’t, that’s the primary reason for 9-11. How would Americans feel about a foreign army occupying the US? Probably the same way bin Laden and millions of Saudi’s feel- resentful. Of the many tragedies of the resulting so-called war on terror, is the vast sums of monies wasted invading Iraq resulting in a very poorly execution of the Afghanistan intervention and the green light to throw more money at an already bloated and wasteful military. The US needs to get smarter in how we allocate defense spending resources. Consider this, bin Laden might have spent a few million dollars to carry out 9-11, the US has spent well over a trillion dollars in response with mixed results, and bin Laden is still out there.

  • Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2, thank you for doing the homework on the WMDs, be blessed and have a great Lord's Day, believer

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