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Palin Church Promotes Transforming Lives of Gays

By Rachel D'Oro|Associated Press Writer

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin's church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

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    Republican vice presidential candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin shakes hands at a rally, Friday, Sept. 5, 2008, in Cedarburg, Wis.

"You'll be encouraged by the power of God's love and His desire to transform the lives of those impacted by homosexuality," according to the insert in the bulletin of the Wasilla Bible Church, where Palin has prayed for about six years.

Palin's conservative Christian views have energized that part of the GOP electorate, which was lukewarm to John McCain's candidacy before he named her as his vice presidential choice. She is staunchly anti-abortion, opposing exceptions for rape and incest, and opposes gay marriage and spousal rights for gay couples.

Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization, is conducting the "Love Won Out" Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla.

Palin, campaigning with McCain in the Midwest on Friday, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called "pray away the gay" movement. Larry Kroon, senior pastor at Palin's church, was not available to discuss the matter Friday, said a church worker who declined to give her name.

Gay activists in Alaska said Palin has not worked actively against their interests, but early in her administration she supported a bill to overrule a court decision to block state benefits for gay partners of public employees. At the time, less than one-half of 1 percent of state employees had applied for the benefits, which were ordered by a 2005 ruling by the Alaska Supreme Court.

Palin reversed her position and vetoed the bill after the state attorney general said it was unconstitutional. But her reluctant support didn't win fans among Alaska's gay population, said Scott Turner, a gay activist in Anchorage.

"Less than 1 percent of state employees would even apply for benefits, so why make a big deal out of such a small number?" he said.

"I think gay Republicans are going to run away" if Palin supports efforts like the prayers to convert gays, said Wayne Besen, founder of the New York-based Truth Wins Out, a gay rights advocacy group. Besen called on Palin to publicly express her views now that she's a vice presidential nominee.

"People are looking at Sarah Palin as someone who might feasibly be in the White House," he said.

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  • Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    I would like to believe you have proof, but it's just not there....

    Homosexuality is a sin. And those who willingly and unremorsefully practice it will be judged harshly.

  • Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I wasn't silent out of stupidity. But I am rather enjoying listening to you make assumption after assumption, because of my silence. So it seems that neither of us are able to produce anything to back our claim.
    And so you discount the Bible for science. And you call yourself a Christian. But I will still continue to speak the truth. That homosexuality is a sin. And God wants homosexuals to remove themselves from that sin, because it separates them from God. Well, a lot of habitual and willful sin separates us from God, but we are talking about homosexuality at this time.

  • Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh my bad, so you compared yourself to Jesus? The thing is, Jesus wasn't silent out of stupidity, whereas you are. I told you, I would be more than happy to provide you with scientific data, loads of it, about homosexuality, if you will kindly provide me with one scientific document proving that you were, in fact, born a sex addict. Its really not much to ask, is it?

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You should reread my post. I neither compared myself to pharisees, nor said that Jesus was friends of theres. I compared you to the pharisees. But you already knew that...

    I'd like to see some of that scientific data about homosexuality.

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I like how you attempt to use the same things I have said to you as a put down for me. Did you REALLY compare yourself to the Pharisees? Clearly you don't know as much about the Bible as you claim, or else you'd know Jesus wasn't exactly their biggest fan! Homosexuality has plenty of scientific data showing sexual orientation is determined prenatally. All I asked for was one simple study showing sex addiction was determined at birth. You could not produce a single study, whereas I said I could produce multiple had you produced me 1 study. Seems simple, but I forget who I am dealing with...

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Your claim of being born a homosexual is just as hypocritical. Nothing definitive in the scientific field has ever been produced to support that claim. It's all conjecture and theory.
    "pretend to be philosophical by saying "some questions don't need an answer"
    Well, I'm sure that the pharisees said the same thing about Jesus when He didn't answer all their questions. He didn't even answer Pilate.
    So, no it's not whether I have the answer or not, it's called self-control. Something that my fight against sexual addiction has taught me. Not every question needs or deserves to be answered.
    If you want to say I don't have the answer...if that makes you feel superior...then by all means say it. I've had worse things said about me by better people than you.

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    See this is where your hypocrisy shows its true colors! You know you don't have an answer to the argument and pretend to be philosophical by saying "some questions don't need an answer." I asked you to find me references which back up your claim that you were born a sex addict, which you have never once done anything but dance around, and its because its a false claim. You then go on to act all pious and talk about my sins and tell me I am an unrepentant sinner who needs to be prayed for. Forget about you, the only thing you are capable of is having discussions which you inevitably turn sophomoric and dull.

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Because I speak the truth, I am not living a holy life? You have no idea about my life, but you have made it clear about your sinful lifestyl. Am I perfect? Not by a long shot. But I still hold myself to the same standard that I preach. And though I sin, I don't justify it, as some do. Rather, I ask for forgiveness and the strength to overcome.
    Though I don't believe anyone will ever come to the point of not sinning, but I do believe that we can get to the point where we are not practicing sin.
    That is the problem. Willfull and unrepentant practicing of sin...

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Did I ever give any kind if indication that I don't pray for myself?
    Not every question deserves an answer.

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ha! A holy life like the one you are not living? You think so highly of yourself, the way you talk in these forums. You never once made a halfway decent argument, and STILL you are ignoring any question I asked. Rather, you attempt to attack my character to shine the light away from your face, and the fact that you do it in the name of God is shameful. Instead of praying for me, pray for yourself.

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You're right. I should just be like Jesus and come right out and call you a hypocrite. I was trying to be loving. But I've discovered that your definition of "loving" is to accept sin because someone else likes it, and to call it "sin" would somehow damage their fragile egos.
    But then again, I was forthright and you still didn't hear. So what does it matter if I'm passive aggresive or brutally honest. The point is that you don't want to hear the truth.
    And there is no longer and sacrifice for your sin. You can pity me. And I will pray for your soul. You willfully remain practicing sin, without remorse. I'm afraid for your soul. You are living in sin. You need to repent and start living a holy life.

  • Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Passive aggressive much? You are already lower than me, as you avoid any kind of tough question by spewing something as you just did. You don't answer my questions not because they are absurd, but because you don't have the answers to back up what you say! I truly pity you, from the bottom of my heart, but take solice in the fact that you could never surpass my spirit on its journey.

  • Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer,
    It's like beating a dead horse. He is right in his own eyes. His justification and logic (however skewed it is) is all that matters. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is destruction."
    He's on his way to a place he won't want to be, but at least for now he's enjoying the ride. Everyone deserves to enjoy life from time to time right?
    So, I will let him continue to win the arguments. And I will continue to speak the truth. I will not continue to argue with him. To do so would mean that I would have to lower myself to man's logic and wisdom. I will not lower myself to that, and he will not raise himself to God's standard. So there will always be that difference.
    I would encourage you to let Mike be. Some people will not receive the truth. At that point, you shake the dust from your clothes and move on....

  • Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, I have said nothing in this post that suggests a knowledge or lack thereof the Bible. You do not know the Bible well either, but you attempt to spew quotes to show off.

    Believer, there is much more evidence that being gay has no choice, that it is prenatal, than to say prophet would be born a sex addict. Again, and I have said this many times before, it is possible prophet was born with an addictive personality, but you cannot be born addicted to something which you have never experienced. That, again, is why homosexuality is not to be compared to an addiction, because it is not about a chemical dependence and because it shows signs in children's personality at an early age.

  • Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    I'm gathering by your lack of Bible knowledge, that you are either not a Christian, a "baby" Christian, or a willingly immature Christian.

  • Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, nor can you provide authoritative medical evidence saying that you were born a homosexual. Plus there is just as much speculative research saying a person can be born addicted to certain things as there is speculative research saying a person can be born a homosexual.

  • Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Typical...claim you were right then throw in a Bible quote as if to reinforce that you were right. You are not infallble, and on the issue to which you speak, you are dead wrong and know it, which is why you could not produce any medical evidence which would show you were born a sex addict.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Naw, I spoke the truth. Homosexuality is a sin. And those who willingly practice that sin without remorse, and those who promote it, are not Christians.
    Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wrong! You spoke what you pretend to be the truth, but you did not back it (the fact that you were born a sex addict) up with any kind of research or logic whatsoever, so you really failed miserably. So sorry!

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But, at least we both got what we wanted. You won the argument, and I spoke the truth.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok, if you think so.

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Uh, no, in the other article you got offensive, then pointless, and once I handed your a$$ to you on a silver platter you decided it was time to leave.

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And if I wanted to "shut down conversation" I would do like I did in the other article. I'd just say "I'm done." And then leave.

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm not saying you don't like to pray. Muslims love to pray. Buddhists love to pray.
    What I'm saying is how you pray and what you're praying for is the issue.

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So, now you're God and know my heart? I am praying from my heart. Those are prayers I pray on a constant basis. I do pray for the lost. Those bound by sin. Those in need. But I guess I'll just stick with scripture then.

    Homosexuality is a sin. People who are involved in homosexuality need to pray for deliverance and forgiveness.
    And I guess I should thank you for your persecution. God promised that when I speak the truth that I would encounter persecution.

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I love to pray, and you were not praying from the heart. you said a prayer as a way to try and shut down conversation rather than truly meaning what you were praying for. Think about it, honestly, and tell me that you think you are doing the right thing. You keep calling yourself a Christian, but I've yet to see a glimmer of it

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Naw, I don't talk big. I just speak the truth.
    Prayer can be a weapon. We pray against dark spiritual powers. We are at war. And if you don't like me praying, feel free to leave. I guess you look at prayer as "Gimme this, gimme that, I want this, I want that, give it to me now!".
    Maybe that's why homosexuals remain in sin. Because they never fight. They never pray against it. They never realize that it is a spiritual battle, and requires spiritual warfare.
    I'm sure that those Christians who were homosexuals at one time, and are no long homosexuals...that's probably how they did it.
    "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord of Hosts." Zechariah 4:6

    I must be doing something right if satan hates it that I pray.

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Typical...you talk a big game when the spot light isn't on you, and as soon as it is, try to change the subject by praying...I don't think God likes it when people use prayer as a weapon as you just did.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And there was no choice in me being a sex addict. Unlike the homosexual, I have fought to not give into the temptation.

    God, help those in bondage to such devestating sins such as fornication, adultery, homosexuality, greed, jealousy and the likes. Help them to overcome the spirit behind those sins. Let them see the real battle is not one of the flesh, but of the spirit. Their sin separates them from you. Remove their sin so that they may be with you forever. Lord, help them.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Homosexuality isn't about "engaging" in a relationship, its about the attraction. You are either attracted to men, women, or either sex...that's what makes your sexual orientation. I actually can provide articles that back up the no choice involved in sexual orientation issue. You may not believe them, but they are out there. I doubt there is a single study which would argue that sex addiction starts at birth. Nice attempt though!

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You said "Provide me with a medical study that shows sex addicts were born that way, and I'll gladly provide you with studies saying I was born gay."
    Precisely. I can't, and neither can you.

    Sorry about the typo. It was supposed to read "homosexual relationships", not "homosexual relations" Meaning, any type of romantic involvement with someone of the same sex, whether sex was involved or not.

    How can a man be addicted to sex without having sex? Well, how can a man be a homosexual if he never gives in to those feelings?
    I had an extremely strong sex drive as a young man. Starting in my preteen years. Yes, I could have choose to not engage, but I did.
    Homosexuals have that desire to be romantically involved with another of the same sex. They, too, can choose not to engage.
    It's all about choice.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You truly just proved my point: Whatever I say, you poorly attempt to turn around as an insult for me, and it doesn't work. I do choose to have "relations" with my partner, but whether or not I ever engaged in sex with another man, I would still be gay. Tell me: How could you be addicted to sex if you never chose to have sex?

    Provide me with a medical study that shows sex addicts were born that way, and I'll gladly provide you with studies saying I was born gay.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Naw. You see it as a 5th grader. Because you don't like it. I was not told I was a sex addict (like someone had to) and I didn't decide I was a sex addict. I was born that way. It wasn't something I decided to do.
    "But wait!" you say, "You did decide to have sex!"
    "But wait!" I say, "You did decide to have homosexual relations."

    Now that we've clarified that it's all about decisions, we realize that it is a sin to decide to act upon those temptations.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No, and I never said a sex addict had to go to counseling (although I would strongly recommend it for any addict.) The reason I was asking was because I wanted to know if someone who knows what they're talking about told you that you were born a sex addict or if you just decided that on your own.

    I did use logic, and your level of discussion is that of a frustrated 5th grade child. This isn't an issue of right or wrong, its an issue of common sense. Babies are not born addicts unless they are getting the drug in their mother's womb, such as crack or alcohol. Its not me who is saying this, it is science, and your continual disputing makes you look quite foolish.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Common logic. Hmmm, that's a way of saying "I can't prove it, but I must be right....I said it."

    Have I been to a counselor who said I was a sex addict? No. Do I need to? No. If I am addicted to something, I must be an addict. Now THAT is common logic. But answer this...Do homosexuals have to go to a doctor to be told that they are homosexuals?

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Its not me saying it, its common logic. Please answer my questions.

  • Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think it's rather egocentric to believe that you proved you were right based on the fact that you said you are right.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I can, and I did! You were born with an addictive personality, you chose to become addicted to sex, but you cannot be a sex addict until the first time you've had sex (whether with a partner or your hand) at the earliest. Unless you've been doing that since infancy, you were not born a sex addict. Have you ever been to a counselor who said that you were born a sex addict? If they did, I would really challenge you to get a second opinion, because it sounds as if you're using your addiction to try and prove a point about homosexuality and it simply isn't working.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I thank my God that His power is stronger than any condition I was born with. Being born a sex addict, I fought for 2 decades to overcome. By His spirit and the blood of Jesus Christ, the battle is being won. I know that my God can overcome anything.
    But I guess it's all about submission. I submitted. Many homosexual "christians" don't. That's probably the key right there.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You can't prove that I wasn't born a sex addict. Nice try though.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet: I actually said that you may have been born with an addictive personality, try reading my post next time. Believer, not everything in the brain has a switch. Our brain chemistry can be changed in terms of chemical effects on it, whether natural (lack of seratonine with depresson) or reliance on (alcohol, drugs, dopamine released during sex) but things like personality are determined at birth and cannot really be changed. You can tell a baby's personality from an extremely young age (there is a direct correlation between colicky babies and IQ levels as adults.) I do not think sexual orientation is something having to do with a sinful nature, but its rather something we are born with, a part of the brain that cannot be controlled or changed with substances, or else doctors would have found a way to do so already.

    Prophet, you WERE NOT born a sex addict. It has nothing to do with me wanting to feel special. I actually am glad God made me gay, it has allowed me to empathize with other groups that face oppression on a daily basis. You may have been born with an addictive personality, but to be a sex addict, it would mean that you were addicted to sex as an infant if it was from birth, and that is quite literally impossible. You became a sex addict. Sorry to burst your bubble.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, I've been watching your interaction with mike2685 with some curiousity as to where you were going with this. So correct me if I'm wrong, but would your bottomline in this discussion be that every human being is born with a sinful nature which leads some to be more vulnerable or weak in some areas and someone else in another area?

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Please do not tell me I was not born this way. Homosexuals do not like it when I say the same thing, and I think it's rather immature of you to judge others the way you hate being judged. I know that homosexuals feel threatened. Because they want to be special. They want to be the only ones "born that way". If someone else claims to have been born a certain way, their feathers get all ruffled. That's insecurity.
    I cannot have been born with an "addictive" mind. Can yo prove that I was? No. Can a doctor? No. Can a scientist? No. So please don't make incorrect assumptions just because your "special condition" is being threatened. If I was born with an "addictive mind", then I would be addicted to a lot more than sex.

    I was born a sex addict, just as homosexuals were born the way they were. I thank God that through His power that He has helped me overcome. I pray that homosexual "christians" would come to that same realization. Their desire to remain in sin will have disasterous results, and I don't want to see that happen. I pray that they will see the truth and call on God.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, so then where is the control mechanism, for lack of a better term, that makes a person homosexual or heterosexual located if not in the brain? Especially since to this point there is no valid proof or science that proves a person is born either homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual.

  • Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you were not born an addict. Born with an addictive personality, maybe, but to be born a sex addict would mean that from the moment you came out, your brain was wired to think of nothing but sex, the way an addict's brain would work. I just don't believe that to be true. I wouldn't tell your wife she can overcome it. Many people I love dearly have struggled with their depression their entire lives. The difference is, they have medications that can put your depression in check and help you because it is a chemical imbalance. Homosexuality is not an imbalance or addiction, and that is indisputable because the brain chemistry of homosexuals has been studied verses straight folks, there is no difference that makes our brains work a different way. An addict or a person with a mental disorder does in fact has a different brain chemistry, hence why medication can help them.

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I was born a sex addict, the same as homosexuals were born the way they were. I was able to overcome my sin. I pray for those who are in bondage to homosexualty, that their hearts would be opened to hear the truth that God is bigger than their sin, and that He can help them overcome too.
    By the way, you need to tell my wife, who was chronic depressive and suicidal (due to "chemical imbalance") how it "can be overcome". I dare you to tell anyone who is chronically depressed that they "can contorl it". Please let me know when you do that, so I can watch you make a fool of yourself.
    I could go on about some personal things from my wife's past that would blow your views to shreds, but they are personal. But sufficeth to say, people who call themselves Christians and willfully continue to practice sin, will find themselves in a world of hurt. I pray for them. I hope they find out before they die. I wish they would stop listening to the lies that people like you tell them, that God is incapable. It's sad when people make God into their own image, in order to justify their sin.
    That's a position that I would not want to find myself in.

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Gay-homo relations? As opposed to straight-homo relations? If you're going to contribute something, at least make it sound educated.

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Gay-homo relations are wrong and unnatural. A penis was never meant to be stuck up another man's bum!

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One more thing Prophet, please tell me exactly where I said homosexuals cannot make choices. We can make plenty, but I said we did not choose our sexual orientation any more than a straight guy did.

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, who is your shrink, because you need to tell them they suck! A chemical imbalance in terms of an addiction is something that can be overcome. It has been studied by the APA, and you will not always NEED to have that chemical. I guess I should say chemical dependence to be more accurate, and you most surely did choose to begin having sex, which you BECAME addicted to. As a child, I doubt you were walking around humping everything in sight. Psychological and medical professional agree that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. Is choosing to have a partner a choice? Absolutely, I've never claimed it wasn't, but whereas alcohol or a sex addiction can destroy your life, loving another person so genuinely that they bring out the best in you, and you in them, is not sinful. We are sexual beings (although, Prophet, not sexually addicted beings) and sex can be a beautiful expression of love when done inside a loving, committed relationship.

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