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Church|Sun, Sep. 07 2008 09:20 AM EDT

Osteen Arms Thousands with Hope, Not Doctrine

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

WASHINGTON โ€“ "God has the power to meet your needs," Joel Osteen told some 19,000 people Friday night. โ€œ He not only has the power, He has the desire to meet your needs. He wants you to live this abundant life.โ€

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Pastor of one of the largest churches in the country whose messages are heard by millions around the world, Osteen preached his signature uplifting message at the Verizon Center during his "A Night of Hope" worship event.

His visit comes less than two months before the nation chooses its next president, but the popular Lakewood Church pastor didn't come to the nation's capital to talk politics, let alone rally Christians behind a candidate.

"I try not to weigh in a lot on [politics]," Osteen told The Christian Post. The only political rallying he does is to make sure people vote and do their part. "I always encourage our congregation to search their own heart and vote what they feel God wants them to. I think if we do our part, God will put the right person in office."

Still undecided on his personal pick for the next White House leader, Osteen noted, "There's good and great things in both candidates (Barack Obama and John McCain). They're both great leaders."

He also commended Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., for hosting the Democratic and Republican presidential candidates at his church for a civil forum last month.

"It gave good insight into who they are," Osteen commented. "Nobody more qualified to do [the forum] than Rick Warren, so I think it was great."

Osteen, whose podcast messages consistently rank in the top 10 on iTunes, keeps politics out of his church. He doesn't preach on political issues; he also doesn't teach theological doctrine or try to explain every detail in the Bible.

That's not his calling, he says. And that has drawn critics.

"Just the fact that we're presenting hope, that we present the Gospel as good news, as God being good, some people think that ..." Osteen said as he paused to try to identify what he feels is most misunderstood about him. "I don't know if it's misunderstood. That's what I feel like my calling is."

"I'm just one part of what God wants us to do on the earth so I really feel that I'm running my race and maybe people don't necessarily see that," he continued.

Some pastors and theologians have criticized Osteen's failure to talk about sin, suffering and the message of the cross.

But the Lakewood megachurch pastor stresses, "I'm called to plant a seed of hope in people's hearts," as he wrote in his latest book, Become a Better You.

If congregants want to dig deeper into Scripture and learn core theological doctrines, Osteen says Lakewood Church offers classes during the week.

"I think, again, my gift is to help people to live out the Christian life because you can have a lot of knowledge but if you don't know how to forgive when people hurt you, have a good attitude, expect good things ... I feel like that's my main gifting," he told The Christian Post. "But I do believe we need to know what Jesus did when he died, what it all meant, and we have people that teach that."

Doing what he does best, Osteen reached out to thousands Friday, arming them with hope and positive thoughts.

"Sometimes in my own life when I'm having difficulties I like to just come back to the fact and just say to myself 'God, You created the whole universe ... God, I believe you can give me $4 for a gallon of gas, You can help me pay rent, heal my back.' See what I mean? I'm talking about keeping it all in perspective," he said to a roaring applause.

"I can't say that I understand it all but I can always come back to the fact that God is good."

Visiting 18 cities this year, Osteen hits Dallas, Texas, in October for "A Night of Hope."

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  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:07 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I just wanted to add that we cannot forget that we need to be on our knees in our hearts, that we are submitting to God in our innermost being, to be always in remembrance of what He has done, so many things, but one very important is the forgiveness of our iniquities, all of them. We have to be in repentance, being ever mindful of the state we would be in without God's unending Grace and mercy. Thanks you all for your comments on the forgiveness that we have through Christ and to remember that crimson stain that was on our hearts that only his blood could wash clean. Praise God! Ket is never grow old or tired to remember what our beautiful Jesus did for us, so much for so little in return. I am ever amazed at the love and acceptance that God has for me though I cannot understand why. Have a great and blessed day:)

  • Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:59 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    what comes to mind is that few will find the narrow path of truth, so is it really surprising that so many follow this false prophet? People don't want to hear the truth, they don't want to change or take a close, really close look at themselves, their hearts and actions. People want to feel good and forget about the other sides of God. Yes, God is love, but He also had expectations of His believers and if one is a true believer and follower of Christ then we should want to change and be convicted. Only through sorrow can the joy come in the morning. Praise God for his uneding love and for His execution if Righteousness and Judgement that we so richly deserve, we deserve hell and He saves us if we would only accept Him. Bless everyone who reads this and I pray that everyone can know the One True God in Heaven. Amen

  • Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Doctrine is simply teaching, so he doesn't need to be in the pulpit at all if he is not proclaiming doctrine.That's why he seems more like a motivational speaker than a pastor.Honestly, I have no interest in beating up on the guy, but I (and obviously many of my Christian Brothers on here)have concerns about what he is teaching.

  • Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Imagine a pastor in Orissa, India, or Sudan, or Indonesia, or Nigeria preaching in the burned-out church of his congregation mourning the martyrdom of several of their members:

    "God has the power to meet your needs. He not only has the power, He has the desire to meet your needs. He wants you to live this abundant life."

    Read more here:

    "Abundant Life for Christians in Orissa?"
    http://www.twoagespilgrims.com/doctrine/?p=53

  • Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    II Timothy 4:3.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:01 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    CORRECTED: Christian Post has given the Christian community a fluff job, bias toward Osteen. His father was a big Word-Faith teacher (See charismatic author, D.R. McConnell's "A Different Gospel". Henrdrickson), and Joel is the same way. The only difference, mainly, is his dad preached it more openly & in a concentrated way. Joel O. sprinkles & adds it to his Tony Robbins approach to being a supposed pastor. He couldn't even say if the LDS/Mormon Church was Christian, and he said that Mormon & ex-governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney believes in Jesus as his savior so he believed Romney is a Christian! He also admitted he didn't know much about Mormonism. Well, then he should have passed on answering Larry King's question! He has publicly led many into the error of thinking the Mormon Church is a Christian Church, and/or thinking that if a Mormon can say the same *undefined* words, then he/she passes. The LDS Church officially teaches Father, Jesus & the 'Holy Ghost' are "three Gods" (J Smith, Ensign 3/2008), we can become Gods & be "as great as God" (LDS Melchizedek Priesthood study guide 1985, p 151. See 515-158), saved AFTER all the works we can do (BOM: 2 Nephi 25:23), etc. Titus 1:9 clearly says that elders/pastors should encourage with SOUND doctrine & REFUTE those who CONTRADICT it. Joel fails at this & his idea it isn't his gifting is baseless & anti-biblical. Christian Post & the Christian body needs to get a sound doctrinal & discerning footing. Osteen is doubly dangerous, more than his father, since he is more popular, better known & doesn't come out openly with as much blatant Word-Faith teaching, so others may adopt it without even knowing it & bends over backwards to give people what their tickling ears want to hear, which the Bible denounces. If he wants to be a 'Christian' motivational speaker, then stop being a pastor. A biblical pastor encourages & exposes those who contradict true doctrine, not being ignorant of it, he assumes terms Mormons say mean the same as when Trinitarian Christians use them.
    Pastors & others, please get responsible, sound ministries that will expose these things, like Watchman Fellowship & Mormonism Researched Ministry to your church & equip Christians.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    CT has given the Christian community a fluff job, bias toward Osteen. His father was a big Word-Faith teacher, and Joel is the same way. The only difference, mainly, is his dad preached it more openly & in a concentrated way. Joel O. sprinkles & adds it to his Tony Robbins approach to being a supposed pastor. He couldn't even say if the LDS/Mormon Church was Christian, and he said that Mormon & ex-governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney believes in Jesus as his savior so he believed Romney is a Christian! He also admitted he didn't know much about Mormonism. Well, then he should have passed on answering Larry King's question! He has publicly led many into the error of thinking the Mormon Church is a Christian Church, and/or thinking that if a Mormon can say the same *undefined* words, then he/she passes. The LDS Church officially teaches Father, Jesus & the 'Holy Ghost' are "three Gods" (J Smith, Ensign 3/2008), we can become Gods & be "as great as God" (LDS Melchizedek Priesthood study guide 1985, p 151. See 515-158), saved AFTER all the works we can do (BOM: 2 Nephi 25:23), etc. Titus 1:9 clearly says that elders/pastors should encourage with SOUND doctrine & REFUTE those who CONTRADICT it. Joel fails at this & his idea it isn't his gifting is baseless & anti-biblical. Christianity Today needs to get a sound doctrinal & discerning footing. Osteen is doubly dangerous, more than his father, since he is more popular, better known & doesn't come out openly with as much blatant Word-Faith teaching, so others may adopt it without even knowing it & bends over backwards to give people what their tickling ears want to hear, which the Bible denounces. If he wants to be a 'Christian' motivational speaker, then stop being a pastor. A biblical pastor encourages & exposes those who contradict true doctrine, not being ignorant of it, he assumes terms Mormons say mean the same as when Trinitarian Christians mean by them.
    Pastors & others, please get responsible, sound ministries that will expose these things, like Watchman Fellowship & Mormonism Researched Ministry to your church & equip Christians.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:08 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    When I see the Lakwood Church filled to capicity and those many thousands of people, I wonder how and why. Then I remember the great feeling their ears must have. The people are fed a gospel, but not the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
    In Matthew 24 Jesus said that even the elect can be drawn away, thats what we see in the Lakewood Church. How would this message of hope fly in Africa where many will die every day because the kind of hope "pastor?" Osteen preaches is false hope.
    The only real hope is that we ask for us to be in the center of Gods will. Knowing I am in the center of Gods will, I can face anything anytime and any place, even starvation, and even a painful death, that is real HOPE. Jesus will never give us more than we can endure. No matter what happens we all will surely die. Christians know we are going to be with Jesus Christ that's more than hope it's assurance! Those who reject Jesus Christ have no hope no matter how good "pastor?" Osteen can motivate people to think there is hope. There is no real hope in Osteens talks. With out Jesus the message is a false hope.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think the words of Paul in Philippians 4 says it all...

    Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

    12I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

    13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.



    Interesting. "for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content."
    Do you think anyone will ever take a lesson from that little phrase? Or will we be consumed by our lust and greed, using God as our sugardaddy?

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    amber,
    But what is "blessed". Will we all have millions of dollars in our bank account? Will be be blessed as we see fit, or as God sees fit? The person making only $25K a year could be called blessed....just as the person who makes $150K a year.
    I agree that we need to seek God first. And let God determine how much He chooses to bless a person.

  • Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It says in Matthew 6:33, But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. If you seek God and not stuff, if you seek God and not just your own thing, you will be blessed. Its great to want hope, but our hope is found in Jesus Himself and having a personal relationship with Him. It says in Rom. 3:23 All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Without confessing our sin, and coming before our Heavenly Father in humility, we cannot have a personal relationship with Him. He is so good, full of mercy, compassion, and of course love. Rom. 10:9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. If Jesus is not being lifted up then people cannot be drawn to Him for their hope. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through Him. The cross needs to be preached for true deliverance. Hope is good but it doesn't save, Jesus Saves.

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Amen, Chris...Amen!

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:50 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    In one sermon I watched Pastor(motivational speaker) Osteen used the word Hope 38 times.

    A motivational speaker who uses scripture is at least better than a motivational speaker who doesn't use scripture. I'm not a big fan of Osteen. I do think that he should refrain from being called a Pastor though and Lakewood should not be called a Church either. How about Lakewood Motivational Center or Lakewood Center for living the good life, etc.

    I think you can be motivational as a Preacher, but it MUST and I repeat MUST be grounded in Scripture. If you don't stand for something, Joel, you will fall for everthing. Doctrine is important, or otherwise you just motivate and don't disciple them. Discipleship is key as a Pastor and it must be grounded in Holy Scripture!

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    My apologies for misspelling pablum.God is good, but He is also just.We need to remember the importance of repenting in terms of being right with God.I haven't heard anything about sin or repentance the few times I have listened to Joel speak.If I am mistaken, I apologize.If I am not mistaken, then it is further evidence that we are living in a time when people do not want to hear the harsh reality that people are sinners in need of a savior.It isn't popular, but it is the truth.

  • Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Won't this guy take a stand on anything?Wow!I have to agree with Prophet on this one.He is more of a motivational speaker than a preacher.I have his first book, and the only reason I haven't thrown it away is out of respect for the person who gave it to me.It is so full of pablam that there is no meat or substance to it.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:52 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Quick and short. What does God have the Apostle Paul write as a instruction to those that teach His Word ? Let's all read 1 and 2 Timothy. Is Joel above that, but yet is anyone who say's i proclaim the Word Of God above that? Matt 24:11 " And Many false prophets shall rise,and decieve MANY. Study His Word.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:42 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I should listen in on one of Osteen's sermons some day. I stopped listening long ago because he came across as a motivational speaker more than a preacher. Even my wife, who absolutely loved him when we first heard him speak, quickly became disenchanted with him.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    igh,
    Your earlier comment made me laugh. I too think God should give me a bazillion dollars! JK, for those of you with no sense of humor.

    Back to the topic, one thing that bugs me about his message is that he preaches prosperity with no preconditions. If you look throughout scripture you will see how prosperity sometimes led Israel down the tubes, and then, when the people started reaping for the wickedness they sowed, they cried out in repentence. This is the key. Repentence. The goal should never be my prosperity, the goal is to be reconciled with God through Christ. When our eyes are on prosperity, we will do anything it takes to get it. Some preach that the cost of repentence is simply having more faith (name-it-claim-it prosperity gospel). Others just say you can have it if you like Jesus (Osteen prosperity gospel.)

    I like the song about seeking God's face, instead of his hand.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    2 Timothy 2:24-3:16 - Sounds familiar?

    24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

    1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was. 10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra--what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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    Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:48 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Ok, someone doesnt agree with my last post. So, maybe we do need to learn to Love and Have Wisdom. It could be possible that Loving God teaches us to Love ourselves, and to Love our Neighbor. Hmmm, relying on God for everything might just show us how much he cares, and how he longs for us to return that Love and then show his Love to the world. WOW, what a concept, Learning to Love as God does may change the world! I guess that's why Jesus came to earth, to bear witness to that Truth. All those of the Truth hear his voice.

    Mr Osteen has never heard Christ's voice, I say that with Authority because he did deny Jesus was the only way to the Father, and only under great pressure did he reluctantly say Jesus is the only way to the Father. If Mr. Osteen ever comes to your home do not let him in, tell him to go away.

    2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


    2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
    2Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
    2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


    Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Hope has to have a foundation--and at this point, you have to talk/preach about God--which is doctrine. Osteen fails to do that; he is a failure as a minister of the Word.
    The day I brought my wife home from brutal cancer surgery, I turned on the TV to watch Osteen talk about a friend of his who thought away his cancer through "positive thoughts." Joel's preaching ultimately offers no hope since it is not grounded upon the Christ of the Cross. The good news, the message of the Gospel, is what Christ has done FOR us,including suffering for us; Joel doesn't communicate this at all.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Osteen Arms Thousands with Hope, Not Doctrine" Pretty sad, but common. This kind of emotional preaching started back in the mid 1700's and helped lead to the Mormon and Jehovah Witness cults in the 1800's. Lots of quick conversions and feel-good preaching, but without discipleship. The American church is in sad shape today. Let's change it.

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    buc, yes we need messages that are uplifting and encouraging, but that can be done with messages that are well grounded with sound biblical doctrine. Christians need to hear messages that will encourage and help them to grow in their relationship with God, so in turn He can allow them to join Him in fulfilling His Great Commission. It's not a matter of one or the other, but a matter of preaching the Word in a way that both matures and encourages believers in their walk with the Lord. Doctrinal message don't need and in my opinion should not be doom and gloom messages.

  • igh »
    Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I say God should give each one of us, in United States currency, the sum of One Ba-Zillion dollars. Then we dont need to trouble ourselves with 'Wisdom' and the 'Ways of God' and being Responsible and all that nonsense. Just give me money and i will buy all i need, no need to bother God with Prayers he is busy enough as it is.

    Being conformed into Christ's image? Bah!! I got the money dont need him. I will buy any image i want baby!

  • Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    bucnanc
    If one lives their life according to secular economic standards as opposed to God's economic standards, then one can't expect God to bail them out every time.

    Often times we seek the Lord because we get ourselves into trouble. It would be nice if we were to seek the Lord because we really want to get it right the first time.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    I am a devout Catholic, and get a great deal from Rev. Osteen. I have been watching him for some time now, and after I have finished watching, I feel better. How can this be a bad thing? He quotes the bible throughout his service. In this sad and defeated world, we all need some glimmer of hope. Rev. Osteen supplies this. In all fairness though, I have been questoning him lately. He ALWAYS talks about God wanting to prosper us. I have been praying, literally, for YEARS to have my debt WIPED OUT, but to no avail. It not only makes me angry with him, but with God. And as my mother would be the first to point out; "You don't want to stay mad at God for too long."

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    The importance of Doctrine:

    But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: (Titus 2:1)

    In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, (Titus 2:7)

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2Timothy 3;16)

    Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine (2Timothy 4:2)

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (2Timothy 4:3)

    (he also doesn't teach theological doctrine or try to explain every detail in the Bible).

    For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ (Galatians 1:10)

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    With all the due respect to the fundamental crusaders of
    Christian faith, may I ask one question " in your life
    time, to how many people you have given the message of
    hope or presented the simple way of salvation?

    It takes a degress in philosophy to understand the highly
    intellectual apologetic lectures of Dr. Ravi Zahariah,
    but highly intellectual people around the world will wait
    in line to hear him talk. If Apostle Peter lived today,
    Peter might have called him " heathen" on the other hand
    Paul might have shook hands with him after every talk
    "well done". While I travel overseas, I have witnessed
    different aspects of ministry to reachout the various
    spectrum of the society through different approaches.
    Instead of finding fault with other's calling, let us
    do our level best to serve the Lord through our specific
    calling and work together for the kingdom of God. Even
    the extreme paranoia of fundamentalism in itself is
    far worse than the theological modernism.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "We must have the full message. . . 'deliver the whole counsel of God'. . . . It starts with the Law. The Law of God ... the demands of a righteous God, the wrath of God. That is the way to bring men and women to conviction; not by modifying the Truth.... We must confront them with the fact that they are men and that they are fallible men, that they are dying men, that they are sinful men, and that they will all have to stand before God at the Bar of Eternal Judgement....And then we must present to them the full-orbed doctrine of the Grace of God in Salvation in Jesus Christ. We must show that no man is saved 'by the deeds of the Law', by his own goodness or righteousness, or church membership or anything else, but solely, utterly, entirely by the free gift of God in Jesus Christ His Son. . . . We must preach the full-orbed doctrine leaving nothing out-conviction of sin, the reality of Judgement and Hell, free grace, justification, sanctification, glorification. We must also show that there is a world view in the Bible ... that here alone you can understand history-past history, present history, future history. Let us show this great world view, and God's Eternal purpose.... Let us at the same time be very careful that we are giving it to the whole man ... the gospel is not only for a man's heart, that you start with his head and present Truth to it ... Let us show that it is a great message given by God which we in turn pass on to the mind, to the heart, to the will. There is ever this danger of leaving out some part or other of man's personality... Let us be certain that we address the whole man-his mind, his emotions and his will."
    D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones The Weapons of our Warfare pg. 21-22

    No Hope Outside of Christ by Paul David Tripp

    The following is an excerpt from Paul David Tripp's excellent book,
    Instruments in the Redeemer's Hands

    "The time has come. The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!" (Mark 1:15)

    http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/04/no_hope_outside_of_christ_by_p.php

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "He doesn't preach on political issues; he also doesn't teach theological doctrine or try to explain every detail in the Bible."

    "He also doesn't teach theological doctrine?" Then he mustn't be a Christian because Christians must teach theological doctrine, for better or for worse and the for worse is no light matter.

    Joel Osteen doesn't even preach the Biblical gospel, how can he be a Christian if he doesn't preach the true Gospel? Is Joel Osteen born again? Does he have only have a said faith rather than the real faith?

    Osteen's Trivialization of God
    By Michael S. Horton

    http://www.whitehorseinn.org/osteenarttable.htm

    Osteen Arms millions with a false hope for this life and no hope for the next. He leaves his hearers completely unprepared for the Day of Judgment. Horrors. Oh LORD Jesus Christ, I did this in your name, I did that in your name, but, but, but I'm sorry, I didn't preach the Gospel because it is too negative and people would have hated me........

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I have nothing to complain about the preaching of hope, as hope is in itself good. But what is the basis of hope? Is it a kind thought for the "might just happen"?
    Hope is wonderful, but hope needs focus. That's the point of doctrine. Teach me what it is I can hope in and hope for. My hope is centered on Christ, and Him crucified. I hear it's a stumbling block and foolishness for some (1 Cor.1:23). But if it is lacking, can we say we have Jesus' Gospel intact?

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:31 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    kp, I am not speaking against Joel Osteen as a person, but I'm deeply concerned about the message of feeling and looking good that he preaches. Because it is in essence a false gospel and he is not the only prominent preacher who is proclaiming this false gospel and we must speak out against it because where there is a false gospel being proclamimed there are false professions of faith being made.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ministers, like all humans, have areas of strength and tend to focus there. That's fine. But Paul held himself innocent of the blood of all men because he did not refrain from preaching the full counsel of God. So despite having an area of focus, the whole message must be preached, or proper context is lost and something's going to go wrong. I can only take so much of any one slant on the Gospel before I feel dry and in need of different food for the spirit.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:37 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Different people are called to do different things for
    the kingdom of God. Mother Theresa never preached
    hell and judgement to a person who was going to die in her hands. George Muller took care of the orphans by
    faith. Other great men of God like Moody, Spurgeon,
    Whitefield and Billy Graham had a different call to
    strict alter calls to repentance. Pastor Joel Osteen's father John Osteen was a great man of God without any
    black spot in his ministry and his Church spent a lot
    money in world evangelization of the third world countries.

    When we try to tell other Minister's like Joel Osteen,
    how to preach; then we are taking the role of the Holy
    Spirit. Pastor Joel Osteen will tell at the conclusion
    of the message the simple way of salvation and ask the
    listeners to pray with him a simple prayer; how to be
    born again. He is not offering any pie in the sky plans of prosperity, or closing the eyes and challenge " God
    spoke to me that 10000 pople to send $ 500.00 each, and
    God is going to multiply their seed 1000 times".
    Leave him alone and let him do the work of the Lord as
    he is called to do to glory God. His church is
    doing a lot of things to evangelize other countries but
    I have never heard him talk about raising money from the
    T.V. audience. He is totally different than the rest
    of the prosperity prophets of our time.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    artm, believer: My point here is that you acheive nothing by bad-mouthing this man, and that you continue to do so to your own detriment. Why don't you two study the Book of First Samuel and pick up some cues from David as to how to deal with wayward men of God. As you're studying, keep a running count of how many times David went out onto a public forum to criticize Saul.

  • artm »
    Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:50 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    If Joel Osteen is truly not Preaching the Cross, He is not preaching Christ, And if that is the case, no one can be saved sitting under that type of ministry.

    And If he is not preaching Doctrine he is not preaching the Word of God, Because you cannot have the Word without doctrine. And you can accuse me of anything you like, But I will judge what is given to the Church in the form of teaching or preaching.

    What makes you think Osteen knows better that Jesus. Jesus preached against sin. It was Jesus who stood in the face of religious leaders and exposed their false Doctrine.

    Look at the Apostle Paul as he stood face to face with Peter and confronted him on mixing law and grace.

    Soul's are at stake, somebady better say something. Is Joel Osteen saved,? God will decide that, That is not my place, But it is my place to judge what he teaches, and that I will do.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:49 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    kp, let him do what he's doing even if he is possibly preaching a false gospel? The problem is Christianity is so much more than church on Sunday it is a lifestyle, it is a relationship with God that allows Him to use us in joining Him in carrying out His Will, specifically the Great Commission where He commands us to go in to the world and join Him in winning people to Christ and in training them to serve Him and join Him in fulfilling His Great Commission. But if all a person hears is its all about feeling and looking good, Christianity becomes no more than a self-serving self-centered religion, it's no longer about God and others it's all about me.

  • Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    artm: Then don't go to his church, but don't sit there in front of your little PC and throw stones at him either. It would be just as easy to accuse you of being one of the "make me feel bad or you're not really Christian" doctrine cops. Must believers themselves be crucified every Sunday to be worthy of your approval?

    Look, I would not last very long in his church, either. But don't do this. Do not allow your tongue to rise up in judgement against him, or else the one who will lose is you, not Joel. Let him do what he does and accept the fact that one size does not fit all.

    Many people like Joel, and are choosing to spend their Sunday mornings at his church rather than frying up buffalo wings getting ready for the big game. Do you think you can at least get happy about that??

  • artm »
    Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:14 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    The Church is now in a " Make me feel good " time. Osteen does not preach the Cross, Therefore mhe does not teach the Bible. Without Doctrine there is no genuine Biblical Word.

    I would not want to be in a Church where it was boasted that the Pastor does not preach the Cross or Doctrine.

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