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Church|Fri, Sep. 19 2008 08:56 AM EDT

Ministers Defend Biblical Orthodoxy against PC(USA) Actions

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Controversy was first stirred in 2006, when the 217th General Assembly "received" a study paper entitled "The Trinity: God’s Love Overflowing." The paper suggested additional designations to the Trinity other than "Father, Son and the Holy Spirit," including, "Compassionate Mother, Beloved Child and Life-giving Womb," "Rock, Cornerstone and Temple," and "Sun, Light and Burning Ray."

Critics have called the wordings confusing and an attempt to be politically correct while supporters stressed they were not substitutes, but rather supplementary ways of referring to the triune God.

"[T]he method employed continuously throughout this paper routinely confuses the natures of simile and metaphor to such a degree that it effectively confuses the very nature of what we think we know about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit," the two Beaver-Butler Presbytery ministers state.

While McElroy and Stuart agree with studying the word of God deeply, they warn, "Our goal should always and only be to reflect the truth contained therein, and never to speculatively invent or intuit material that is at best tangentially contained. To do so is neither smart, nor correct and potentially leaves us in the unenviable position of becoming false guides."

According to McElroy, the declaration will be considered by the presbytery at a Sept. 23 meeting, where it will either vote to receive it as a first reading or reject it. If received, a second reading of the declaration will take place at a Nov. 18 meeting.

Approval by the presbytery would result in the declaration of "status confessionis" – solemn rebuke against a church council because of false doctrine or confessional compromise – in the PC(USA) until orthodoxy is restored by a future General Assembly.

And until then, the declaration calls on the presbytery to refuse to follow the practices authorized by the Assembly, including homosexual ordination, as reported by The Layman.

McElroy and Stuart, who said their intention is not to leave but to take a stand, expect the upper governing bodies of the denomination to attempt to overturn their declaration. But they don't plan on giving up.

"We will not cease these proclamations if rebuked. We will not accept discipline that, like many of the GA actions, rests on human institution instead of God's Word. Here we stand," they declare.

"The errors of this Assembly fail to live up to its professed theme of justice, mercy and humility. Our trust has been violated. Our denominational covenant has been broken by our own highest level governing body. We refuse to break that covenant. We will honor it by constitutional, confessional and biblical adherence. It pains us but we must take corrective action in an attempt to restore this broken covenant and the Church herself."

"An open Theological Declaration to the PC (USA) Explicating Major Errors of the 218th General Assembly as a Church Council and the means of Their Redress" is not part of a combined renewal effort, McElroy clarified. The idea came from only the two ministers and is the property of them and those who subscribe it. They're not interested in being heroes either, he added, but only in promoting and defending biblical orthodoxy and orthopraxy.

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  • Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    thanks igh. These poor sad people have no idea what they do.

  • igh »
    Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "THE GREAT AMERICAN GOD-OUT encourages all people--people of faith and those who are godless--to join in acknowledgment and celebration of 'a day without god' on November 15th, 2007. "
    THE GREAT AMERICAN GOD-OUT established by Dr. Lydia Hartunian and her rational students, 2007.

    ok, I ran a search and this is what i found.
    Here is the links:
    http://www.thegreatamericangodout.com/5.html

    http://www.godout.org/

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tamna,

    LOL! You made me chuckle.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP,

    She said "MRFF.org". I tried that, with www infront and without. It comes up with a placeholder for a non-existant domain. The mmrf.org you said to use goes to some Minnesota research facility. I doubt they are the same thing.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "the website is non-existant."

    Are you talking about mmrf.org? Don't put the www in the front and it comes up just fine.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This is nothing more than the Presbyterian version of spitting in the wind.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    the website is non-existant. Kinda like morals based on nothing.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It is great to see people fighting to remain consistent with their beliefs. As something to think about--one might also want to think about establishing morality without theology and the work that MRFF.org is doing. The GREAT AMERICAN GOD-OUT! is in San Fransisco this year and people of faith are encouraged to participate to help ALL Americans facilitate the dialogue about the proper role of religion in American public life.

    Most Sincerely,
    Dr. Lydia Hartunian

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:04 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    I didn't even realize their were two good Pastors left within this denomination. Being a former Reformed Minister I applaud these two ministers. Good for them.
    It won't do much for PCUSA, but it is good they took a stand.

    Another day....another division. Come Lord Jesus, come.

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:36 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    (Ministers Defend Biblical Orthodoxy)

    AMEN!!!

  • Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:38 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    May God bless these two and their congregations and may the PC(USA) repent of its apostacy. The 'supplemental' terms for the Trinity sound pagan - like stuff I heard or said when I was a witch. Its certain that neither the Jews nor the Muslims think the three groups worship the same God, and neither do most conservative Christians.

    1 Jn 5:10-12
    10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

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