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Poll: New Ballot Wording Affects Support for Calif. Marriage Amendment

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

Voter support for a California marriage amendment has waned over the past two months as opposition increased, according to a recently-released field poll.

  • proposed California ban on same-sex marriage,constitutional amendment
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    Rick Yorgason, right,a supporter of the proposed California ban on same-sex marriage,constitutional amendment. asks voter Kevin Patel, left, about his thoughts on gay marriage during a poll of voters in Elk Grove, Calif., on Aug. 23, 2008. Proposed bans on same-sex marriage are on the ballot in three important states this fall, rousing passions on both sides, yet neither John McCain nor Barack Obama seem eager to push the issue high on their campaign agendas.

Thirty-five percent of likely voters surveyed said they would support Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that protects marriage as between a man and a woman, compared to 42 percent who said they would back the measure in a July poll.

Meanwhile, 55 percent of those polled opposed the ballot initiative – which would effectively ban gay "marriages" in the state – up from 51 percent two months ago.

One factor that played a role in the shifting support, according to Field Poll director Mark DiCamillo, is the recent change in the wording of the ballot initiative.

The original ballot summary read: "LIMIT ON MARRIAGE. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. Amends the California Constitution to provide that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

But following the California Supreme Court ruling in May to allow same-sex couples to marry, Attorney General Jerry Brown took the liberty of modifying the proposed measure's text.

The amended ballot summary that will appear before voters on Nov. 4 states: "ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME-SEX COUPLES TO MARRY. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. Changes California Constitution to eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry. Provides that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Those few word changes made the difference, according DiCamillo, who noted that the modified ballot summary impacted those who weren't familiar with Prop. 8 more than it did voters who already knew about the measure.

The 70 percent of respondents who said they were familiar with the marriage amendment opposed the initiative 56 to 40 percent when read the original language. The same group opposed the ballot measure 53 to 41 percent when read the new summary.

Meanwhile, the remaining 30 percent who said they were unfamiliar with the initiative were opposed 42 percent to 37 percent when read the original summary but were opposed 58 percent to 30 percent after being read the revised version.

"People are generally in favor of rights for individuals," he shared with The San Francisco Chronicle. "So eliminating a right has a somewhat negative connotation. It's pulling people who weren't aware of the initiative more to the no side."

Organizers with the "Yes on 8" campaign said they are not surprised by the field poll results which show mounting opposition against the proposition. They countered that Field Polls don't always reflect true public opinion.

"For example, the Field Poll showed that support for Proposition 22 in 2000 was at 53% right before the election, yet over 61% of voters supported the proposition," stated Frank Schubert, campaign manager for ProtectMarriage.com - Yes on 8.

The "Yes" campaign released its own study that shows polling significantly understates the support for traditional marriage. The study compared 26 states where the same-sex "marriage" issue has made it to ballot and found that support for traditional marriage was under-estimated by 3 to 21 points in 23 of those states.

The recent Field Poll, released Thursday, suffers "from the same historic problem that other polls on this subject around the country have had: they do not accurately reflect the true support for traditional marriage," said Schubert.

Jennifer Kern , spokeswoman for Yes on 8, said the way people respond to poll callers could have also explain the higher opposition to the marriage amendment.

“People, when called by a pollster, tend to be more politically correct when talking to another human being than when they step into the voting booth and vote their conscience,” said Kern, according to the Union-Tribune.

The poll, based on a telephone survey of some 800 likely voters, taken between Sept. 5 and 14, also found Evangelical Christians support the marriage amendment 60 to 34 percent while Protestants support the initiative 52 to 40 percent. But 55 percent of Catholics and 71 percent of those affiliated with other religions or who have none oppose the measure.

What matters is the final outcome on Election Day, said Schubert. "It is my opinion that the same thing will happen in California when voters cast ballots on Proposition 8."

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  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, squeaky wheel posted here and then must have taken down their post.

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Nope. Where do you get that idea? And there has been no one named squeaky posting on here. And I'm the one who made the comment about antichrist.

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually I was referring to squeaky wheel, not sure where his post went, but do you have a guilty conscience?

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A: I never said you follow THE Antichrist. I said that any other teaching is anitchrist...as in against Christ. There's a difference.

    B: Why do you take it so personal? I made a specific statement to a general audience.

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Not quite squeaky, but I'm glad you think I follow the antichrist. Funny how with all the different religious sects and biblical interpretations that go along with them, you have the only right and true version? Its also funny how every other sect says that.

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Genesis 2:22-25 says:
    And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
    And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
    Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
    And they were both naked, the man and his wife...

    The word "therefore" means "because of this..." So, because God took woman out of man, then woman is to leave her mother and father, and become one with the man, creating the one complete person. God didn't take a man from Adam. He separated the woman part of man from the man, and marriage (and sex) is the spiritual reunification of what was separated.
    Any other union is not a true and complete union. It is not blessed of God. It is not recognized by God. It is a sin.

    God created loving relationships one way...between a man and a woman. The reuninion of what He had separated in the beginning. Jesus even supported and preached the same thing. So any other teaching is antichrist, because it goes against Christ's teachings.

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You're welcome. Now that we got that straight, I'll get back to speaking the truth.

    Homosexuality is a sin. Those who continue to willingly practice it will find their judgement harsh. Especially those who call themselves Christians. But God extends mercy to those who ask for forgiveness and turn from their sin. He can change a heart. He can recreate that which is evil.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I just printed that out and put it on my fridge. Thanks buddy, I knew you'd come around.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh, well if you put it that way, I guess you MUST have the truth...do you hear yourself? You make no successful arguments...ever!

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No. I speak the truth.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No, you attempt to speak the truth, but fail to do so without making digs at anyone and everything (as shown in the post you just made.)

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And if it is the truth, I hope I get mine. I live my life the same way I preach it. So what have I to fear? I expect to be judged the way I judge...according to the Word of God. And if I'm sinning, then I accept the fact that I'm sinning (something homosexuals yet to learn) and strive to change that through the power of the Holy Spirit (another thing that homosexuals have yet to learn.)

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    But is the golden rule the truth?

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That's what YOU believe to be the truth. That is how YOU interpretted the Bible, but the TRUTH is that none of us can say with certainty. What can be said is that what goes around comes around, and so the Golden Rule is the most important thing to live your life by. With all the flapping your lips do, I doubt you'll be too happy when you get yours.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The truth is this: Homosexuality is a sin. Whether you want to accept it or not. So, yes I have the truth. Adultery is a sin, pride is a sin, lying is a sin, God even calls cowardness a sin.
    But mercy rules when people fall upon His mercy. That is also the truth. But when pride and sin keep you from that mercy, then there is no more sacrifice for your sin and you remain unforgiven.

    God's love says "Please stop sinning. It keeps you from me and will hurt you in eternity. I want you here with me, but your sin keeps you away."

    Man's love says "Love me and accept me and my sin. I don't need to change because "real love" accepts everything."

    That's why divorce rate is so high. Because it's always about ME.
    Christianity is a war. Get in or get out. The day is coming when those who are part of God's true body will come out from among the goats. And those who profess and form of godliness but deny the power thereof will persecute the Church. I do not look forward to being persecuted, but I will not back down from the truth.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Way to try and step aside of the issue. You can constantly bring new things to the table, and you are not bringing the truth because you do not have it. So sorry.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Of course I don't post anything new. The Truth doesn't change. God doesn't change. Man changes, but that's why I don't put my trust in man. We've screwed up this world enough. I think it's time we get back to God, and let Him have control.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It doesn't upset me in the least, but its cute you think that. I can read you like a book. You never come to the table with anything more than your copy and paste button, and its the same garbage everytime. You see believer can actually argue worth a dime and you latch on to him. Just an observation...

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    What are you so angry at? I hear you say a lot that I insult you so much. Then I hear you insult me over and over. What's the deal? Does my opinion of you mean that much? If it doesn't (which I'm sure you'll say), then why does it upset you so?

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, prophet doesn't kiss up to me that is unless you define kissing up as being in agreement with someone else and as a matter of fact prophet and I have indeed butted heads in the past on several issues that we don't agree on.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, it seems to me you are attempting to decide who is and is not a Christian, which you have no place doing. Until you are free of all sin, I suggest you stop passing judgments against others. Also, funny how you kiss up to believer. you truly disgust me. I can only imagine how lonely you truly must be with your obvious desire for acceptance.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, you are so right there is a fine line between free will and predestination and it appears God is not saying where that line is.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    Free will vs. predestination. That's one of those hard to understand things...kind of like a God who has no beginning. Gives me a headache just thinking about it.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike,
    I have backed my claim that homosexuality is a sin. I've used scripture. You refuse to acknowledge scripture. It seems almost as if scripture repulses you.
    Is it me, or does anyone else not think that someone who denies scriptures (and ridicules those who use it) is really a Christian?

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, we're not God and there are some things that God allows that makes no sense from a human perspective. And that is why it is imperative that people come to Christ before it is everlastingly too late, since regardless of how insane things get on this side of glory they will have the hope and the assurance of knowing when they leave this earth they'll be going on to be with the Lord for the rest of eternity in a place where there is no pain, suffering, sin, or sickness. Plus, right now we live in a sin saturated world where no act of evil should surprise us regardless of how awful that act might be. Why does God allow them, I don't totally know, but at the same time can you imagine of awful life would be without His presence.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, the question I was posing in regards to 9-11 is: If God knows the choices we will make, then he created the men who flew the planes knowing full well they would grow up to kill thousands and destroy the lives of even more. I am not sure how that fits with my worldview, to be quite honest.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, you have never once conducted yourself with tact in regards to me. You consistently engage in personal attacks and refuse to back up what you say with any kind of documentation. You claim I am not a Christian, that I lack scriptural knowledge, and that I support or reject incest, yet all of those things are words you have put in my mouth. If you consider what we are doing debating, may I suggest you go to your local high school and get a few pointers from their debate club.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Just like you, if there is someone who is self destructive I will say something. But you don't like it when I do it. I was tactful at first. I merely said that God calls homosexuality a sin. I'm not sure how "tactful" you can be when saying that. I think you're idea of tactfulness would be for no one to rock your boat. But as I was saying, I merely said that God views homosexuality as a sin. Then you, and all your tactfulness, began to argue that point. So, here we are. Neither of us are being tactful. True, tact has it's place. But when someone is destroying their life, calling themselves a Christian and yet wading in the pool of sin, tact goes out the window.
    But once again, I've let you lure me into a debate. There is no debate. Homosexuality is a sin.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, my desire is to love and obey God with my whole being, but because I'm not perfect and sin I still make bad choices at times, but that does mean I'm no longer a child of God or that God will disown me and in fact because I'm His child when I do sin He disciplines me because He loves me as a child of His.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, as far as your 9/11 example, does that mean God intentionally killed all the people who were in the Twin Towers or that God allowed those planes to crash into the Twin Towers and those deaths were the result of God allowing that to happen? As for the people who did not get killed as you shared with choices come consequences sometimes good and sometimes bad. In the example you shared the lives of those people appear to have been spared, but whose to say that if they would have been there God couldn't have used them to save other lives to include their own. The Bible says that the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike, so often times many negative things that happen to people are the result of the consequences of other peoples choices which are normally sinful choices such as those men who flew into the Twin Towers.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Because then God knows if we're going to Heaven or Hell already. If he knows the choices we will make, he knows if we will follow him or mad bad choices our entire lives.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, with predestination God has already made the choice for you therefore it is not a choice.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, how does God knowing the choice I am going to make keep it from being a free will choice?

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Free will would be if we can choose to act and God doesn't know what we will choose. He might know we'll face tough situations, but he won't know the outcome. Predestination to me means God already knows what the outcomes of our lives will be, and knows the choices we will make, hence he knows from the get-go whether we will go to Heaven or Hell.

    You always hear stories about people that should have been in the twin towers on 9-11, but were running late, or called out sick, etc. Is that a free will choice, or is that God's plan for us to do other things (which would be predestination.)

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, yes he does know if we'll choose not to love Him, but what does that have to do with the difference between free will and predestination? Please define what you mean by free will and predestination?

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am a doer of the word. I go out an teach in the worst section of Baltimore. I volunteer. I love people unconditionally and would never dream of judging them or calling them out on their sins. If there is someone who is self destructive I will say something, but I can do it with tact, whereas you pretend you are on some ordained ministry from God to bring me truth when in fact you love to engage in personal attacks quite regularly. That makes it crystal clear that you read the word, but do not truly connect it with God. Rather, you read the word, see where you can use the word as a weapon to cut someone else down, and proceed with that, which is not the way of God, no matter how you try to spin it.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The reason I memorize and quote scriptures is because I work to live the scriptures. It's hard to live the Bible when you don't know what it says.

    "Do not be just a hearer of the Word, but be a doer of the Word."
    If I see my brother or sister sinning, then I am compelled by love to warn them of their behavior.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Do you know what my big sin is? You should. I've spoken of it a number of times on here with you. We both deal with sexual sin. The difference, though, is that I acknowledge it and strive daily to overcome. You don't. You embrace your sin. And blame God on top of it.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Because you are so deeply focused on mine and what I am doing."

    Am I? Do you see what I am doing when I'm not on CP?

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Because you are so deeply focused on mine and what I am doing. I love the Bible passage about pointing out the splinter in your neighbor's eye when you cannot see the log in your own. My goodness, did I just quote scripture?!? I guess I just proved I am a christian then, apparently that's all it takes!

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike
    You said "I love that you compare yourself to Jesus but cannot see your own sins."

    How do you know I cannot see my own sins?

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    You judge me likewise.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ...but he knows if we'll choose not to love him

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, because He's God and knows what He is doing. Plus He created us to love Him and have a personal relationship with Him, but for love to be real it has to be a choice so He had to create us with the ability to choose to not only love Him but to choose to not love Him as well.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But he knows what we will choose, so in essence, he creates us and knows what we will choose, meaning he creates us and knows if we will choose heaven or hell. In other words, he creates us and knows where we will go, so why even create us knowing we will choose hell?

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike2685, yes, God already knows who will go to heaven by accepting Christ as Savior and Lord and who will go to hell by refusing to accept Christ as Savior and Lord, but He doesn't choose who will or won't, we have to choose for ourselves.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Nope, I distance myself further and further from your ignorant, narrow viewpoints. I like how you feel yourself worthy to judge my perspective.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'd rather use Jesus as my goal than man. I want to be like Him. You don't. Every post reflects that. You distance yourself further and further from the Truth

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I love that you compare yourself to Jesus but cannot see your own sins.

  • Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't know when I'm going to fess up. Probably when the Bible omits the verses where Jesus calls the Pharisees vipers and evil people. Now, that's not very Christ like is it?

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