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Warren Urges Larger Role for Churches to Solve Global Problems

By Associated Press Writer|Deepti Hajela

NEW YORK (AP) - Former President Clinton's global summit drew to a close Friday with a panel discussion featuring the Rev. Rick Warren, who said churches have a role to play in solving the world's most pressing problems.

  • Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church
    (Photo: AP Images / Jason DeCrow)
    Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, speaks during a panel discussion on rural development at the Clinton Global Initiative annual meeting Friday, Sept 26, 2008 in New York.

"If we take the people of faith off the agenda, we've ruled out most of the world because most of the world has some faith," said the pastor of Southern California's Saddleback Church. "There's already an army ready to be mobilized, an army of compassion."

Warren, author of the best-selling book "The Purpose-Driven Life," is an evangelical Christian who has broadened the ministry of his church beyond the usual concerns of the religious right to include a focus on the environment, poverty and education.

He spoke on a panel that included two Nobel Prize winners, Bangladeshi economist Muhummad Yunus and Wangari Maathai, a Kenyan environmentalist.

Yunus, founder of the Grameen Bank, which provides small business loans to people who can't get traditional loans, said philanthropy has to change from a system where people receive charity to one where they learn how to empower themselves. In 2007, Grameen, which is owned by the poor borrowers it serves, had revenue of $155 million.

"We have to get out of this mindset that the rich will do the business and the poor will have the charity," he said.

Maathai, who founded the Green Belt environmental movement in Kenya, agreed.

"It is very important that people do not rely on giving," she said. "We must empower these communities at the grassroot level to rise up and walk."

In urging a greater role for churches, Warren cited the example of Rwanda, which he said had few hospitals and clinics to deal with the health care needs of hundreds of thousands of people -- but hundreds of churches.

"Somehow we have to figure out how to get business and government and churches to work together," he said.

The Clinton Global Initiative began Wednesday with an all-star roster of guests including both presidential candidates, former Vice President Al Gore, Bono and Lance Armstrong.

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  • mike »
    Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to daniel paul

    really. well I remember that reagan deregulated the banking industry. he said that the 'gov't is the problem'

    what about the corruption in the reconstruction of iraq bec. bush & co. said that there will be 'no bid contract'. billions squandered by bush & co.

    blame clinton administration. but bush squandered the taxpayers money. and if you blame clinton, why is bush doing anything about it. did he talk about re-regulating the industries? What about ENRON scandal in 2000-2001? he even defended his buddy ken lay while california was in the dark bec. of the blackmail of ken lay. the GOP were in control of congress for 6 yrs (2000-2006).

    your sinless, holy republican party is corrupt & I think you are ashamed of admitting they are as corrupt as the other party.

  • Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    This is not a democrat or republician issue. We should look for someone who believes and follows God's word. God said in Deuteronomy chp 28 that He would bless the faithful.
    Deuteronomy 28:1
    And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
    They would prosper and have success.
    Joshua 1:8
    This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

    What amazes me is "Christians" who are chasing wealth, material things, and "living it up."
    Jesus said in Matthew 6:19-21
    19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

    20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

    21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

    Because "Christians" have not kept the first commandment will now suffer curses. God spoke of blessing and curses. We are becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah.
    Romans 1:21-25
    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    Like unfaith Israel, we have become unfaithful America.
    Our son and daughter are worshiping other gods.
    But as for me, I will serve the Lord.

  • Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "did you read the news today & last week? "

    I read the book by the founder of Crown Financial Ministries from ten years ago that predicted this mess. You cannot extend loans to people who clearly cannot afford it if the interest goes up with the flexible rate. Yet, that was going on.

    I don't know if you've been watching all the news. Banks around the world are falling apart because of the practice being allowed in the late 90's by the Clinton administration (not to menition all the dems and repubs on the hill).

    Quite frankly, the problem with what Bush has been saying is that it is the truth. We are in a mess. A mess made by both sides of the isle over the past 10+ years.

    I was listening to a person from Crown on the radio the other day saying nobody seems to be asking what God has to say about this mess. God's word is clear. Wall Street has ignored it. Truth is truth no matter where it comes from.

    If Obama gets elected and he puts all those taxes in place it will tank the economy. Our options are simple...1 would be to borrow money from of shore, 2 print more money or 3 tax the fool out of the people. None of these are good choices. The right choice is to become responsible and live within our means.

    This entitlement society is going to cave in on itself like a black hole and suck in the economy with it.

  • Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    speaking of bank problems.... here's an interesting take on the cause of the problem.
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY

  • igh »
    Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Look at all the failing banks.... hmmm

  • mike »
    Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to daniel paul

    did you read the news today & last week? what did bush say? he is using his tactic of fear, blame & guilt again.
    'if you do not pass this $700 billion bailout bill, the country will suffer like in the great depression.' bush said.
    and by the way, why did he approve of paulson's 'no oversight of the $700 billion bailout'?
    bush wanted to pass oversight of freddie & fannie mac? bush's definition of freedom is he will do whatever he want with no regulations. he said that 'he is a free market buy', that means no regulation.
    this is another ENRON,(which bush defended his buddy ken lay & skilling in the name of free enterprise, deregulation & (greed)) only the it is the US economy.

    this is bush's tactic. he lied that the economy is strong, then waited for it to fail, then uses fear, guilt & blame to ask for huge amount of money with no oversight so his buddies will put it in their pockets.

    yeah I've heard this before, the democrats are the problem, evil, decadent party, not the gop (GREED OIL & PROFITS).
    I think your brain is upside down that is why you are suffering from dyslexia.
    i'm not a democrat, i am an independent.

  • Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Do not borrow unless you have a means of repaying (all of it). Too many people disobeyed this Biblical concept and it has resulted in this mess. People want to mold the Bible the way they want to live. It really does make a big mess in the end.

  • Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "$700 BILLION WALL STREET BAILOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WANT TO PASS IN CONGRESS?"

    I was not aware that Obama was part of the Bush administration!

    Besides when the Dems give back the $$$ millions in donations from FanMae and Ol' Freddie then I'll take them seriously.

    In 2001 (if memory serves) Bush wanted oversight of those two organizations. The Dems wouldn't play ball. I was taling to an accountant friend today who told me it was greed in giving people loans they couldn't afford with the practice starting in about the 5th to 6th year of the Clinton administration.

    Facts seem to be a problem for the Dems arguement on this one for sure....

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok, I understand what you were saying. And I agree, Christ was concerned with people's hearts. He used the physician/sick line as an analogy. The full passage reads,
    Matthew 9:10-13
    10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and "sinners"?" 12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

    He came for the sinner. He wants people to trust God, to trust what God has done in sending Jesus to die for their sins, that they might receive the imputation of His righteousness and have the wrath of God removed from them, and have eternal life.

    The church needs to share the Gospel, make disciples. The natural outworking of this will be that individuals will become better stewards of God's creation. But the role of the church is not to save the planet, but to lead people to Christ, so HE can save THEM.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw, they said to His disciples, Why does your master eat with tax-collectors and sinners?
    Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard, He said to them, The ones who are whole do not need a physician, but the ones who are sick.

    While Christ did perform many physical healings, his real focus was on the heart.

    The soul is saved, not the body.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike asked why isn't Christian Post writing about the bailout bill that Pres. Bush wanted. Well ...what relation is that to Christian? More so, why isn't the liberal press really exposing WHO the people and political party that really got us in this mess in the first place? Fortunately, Sen. McCain went to make sure the Bush version did NOT pass. The majority of the GOP, and more than enough Democrats also voted the revised bill down. it was better, but not good enough. If all of the Dems voted for it, it would have passed, so it wasn't the 'republican's fault', as the ever-lacking-in-wisdom Barney Frank whined that it didn't pass because of the 'Republicans' feelings got hurt'. Well, he has no evidence for that, and it is Pelosi's very UN-bipartison screed, not the GOP's. Speaker Pelosi attacked the Republicans before the vote, and when the bill didn't pass, Barney Frank was right there to spew out his deceptive lies. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan was to have Pelosi attack, and have Frank set up to attack further when it didn't pass. What hypocritical drivel from them on who's fault this was in the first place. Please see below for great evidence via videos on that, and other issues. PLEASE pass the below links & info around as far and wide as possible:

    Covering Your Fannie, Who Really Caused Our Economic Crisis?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ

    Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? V2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&eurl=http://tammybruce.com/2008/09/why_the_market_is.php

    See: TheMouthPeace profile page videos on YouTube, including the above:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMouthPeace
    and:
    http://midpointpolitics.blogspot.com

  • mike »
    Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    WHY DOES THIS WEBSITE TALK ABOUT THE $700 BILLION WALL STREET BAILOUT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WANT TO PASS IN CONGRESS?

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Why did Jesus come and live for 33 years...have a 3 year ministry...and then create the gospel. Was there no power before His death and resurrection? He lived to show the love of God in many ways.

    For the first 33 years, Christ lived under the law; the latter three years He was the Spirit of Grace.

    Yes, physical food is important. But the people were first fed spiritual food to nourish there spirits. However, Christ did not want their physical bodies to fail so he fed them food as well.
    Remember in Deuteromy,Moses said God is life and prosperity. God is good life and health. For the he that cometh to God must believe that He is and He is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him. God is the I am... Healer, Lawyer, Provider, Savior...etc. God is all things.
    The Bible is first believe in God and follow His commands. Next God blesses according to His will.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Here's a question...

    Why did Jesus come and live for 33 years...have a 3 year ministry...and then create the gospel. Was there no power before His death and resurrection? He lived to show the love of God in many ways.

    If food was not important why did He feed the 5000?
    If ministering to the physical needs wasn't important then why did He heal people?

    There is a cause and effect in the gospel. You preach the gospel and as a result...you live the gospel. One without the other is faith without works.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:13 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    wrhalver

    "Remember that Christ came for the sick in this world, not the healthy"

    Proper exegesis is in need here...Christ did heal many sick, however that is not why He came into the world if you mean sick in the worldly sense.

    He came to fulfill the Father's will. To preach the word, become a propitiation for our sins and die on the cross the death that we deserve and was rose again the third day by the Father.

    All this for those whom the Father calls to Salvation through His Son.

    Soli Deo Gloria!!!

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus fed the masses out of compassion yes...and what happened of the 5000...only the twelve remained. As Christians eternity is much more important than the few seconds we are here today. Today is the day of Salvation while it is still called today. While it is important to feed the hungry, if you do not feed them with Jesus the works are fruitless. Preach the word with the Power of the HOLY SPIRIT! Not heres a hamburger, if you say you believe in Jesus there will be more tommorow.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hmm. I missed where the Bible says Jesus came to heal the sick. I see Him doing healing, JESUS said WHY He came in Matthew 9:13
    But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

    He did not try to fix the world's poor or hunger (though He DID feed some people in context of His ministry). He preached and taught who God is, what GOd has done, and the need for people to trust God by believing He sent Jesus Christ, His Son, to suffer and die for the sins of the world. He preached that if you do not believe, you are condemned because the wrath of God remains on you. We were told to go and do likewise.

  • DRJ »
    Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus came to us as the LIGHT OF THE WORLD. He came to ILLUMINATE our minds and hearts to see the love of God, who gave His only Son as the payment for our sins. Sin was our problem that He came to obliterate, not poverty and sickness. Jesus said, "You will always have the poor, but you will not always have me with you (in the flesh)." Jesus came to redeem us from our SINS! After that is accomplished and we have seen the LIGHT, we then seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, after which ALL THINGS will be added to us (our NEEDS will be taken care of by HIM)! To opt for the physical needs of someone over the spiritual needs is to not understand why God sent Jesus. Jesus told His disciples, "You are the LIGHT OF THE WORLD," meaning that as the Father had sent Him, so He was sending us to seek and to save that which is lost. Once we stray from the basic path of our calling there are many other paths that only lead AWAY from our carrying out our commission given by our Lord Jesus. Pray, fast, and follow the commands of the Lord. He will direct your path to the lost for their salvation. Amen?

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "It is very important that people do not rely on giving," she said. "We must empower these communities at the grassroot level to rise up and walk."
    We cannot empower ourselves. God has empowered us by send the Holy Spirit as Jesus asked Him. We have been given all the spiritual gifts to aide our fellow Christians in God's work. Thus, we can invited them to know our Savior and become empowered themselves. Else no power or salvation for them will come.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It depends on what you mean by "ills".
    If you are talking about the same issues Pastor Warren discusses in this article, then you are right.

    Remember that Christ came for the sick in this world, not the healthy.

    Remember, Christ healed those that believed in Him. He did not help those that did not. Let the dead bury the dead....

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Somehow we have to figure out how to get business and government and churches to work together," he said.

    Warren also said in another article that there should be a separation of church and state. Talk about being double minded. God said a double minded person would be unstable in all their ways.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ptr Bryan
    You have said....
    "The role of the Church is not to solve the ills of the world but to be faithful to the Preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

    It depends on what you mean by "ills".
    If you are talking about the same issues Pastor Warren discusses in this article, then you are right.

    Remember that Christ came for the sick in this world, not the healthy.

  • Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I've lived in the ghettos. I've ministered to the poor, the widows, the aliens. With a fully tummy but without Christ, these people are destined for hell. Which is more important, a full belly or a full soul?

    We are to make disciples of Christ. The primary goal of the church MUST be to preach the Gospel of Christ. Once they accept Christ, they need to be taught what it means to be a Christian, so they can dedicate their lives to Christ wholeheartedly. Once they do that, they step up to help the needy. I've seen it happen time and time again.

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Blue1018,

    First you make assumptions that you have no founding for,"Apparently someone has not been to Africa or Latin American or even the more ghetto of ghettos in Philadelphia and New York and seen how the majority of the world lives."

    You see I have been to the mission field in Africa, Nairobi, Kenya, I am currently involved in ministry in the Slums or Squatter area's in the Philippines and I DO know the needs of the people.

    The world, the lost do not need Rick Warren's "Social Gospel" the world needs the True Gospel of Truth. It would be very easy for me to preach a social gospel but then that is no gospel at all.

    Preach the Word, in season, out of season! We hear today a gospel that is designed to "tickle the ears" of those who cannot stand sound doctrine.

    Can the church do good, Yes but the primary mission again is Preach The Word!!!

    Soli Deo Gloria!!!

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "The role of the Church is not to solve the ills of the world but to be faithful to the Preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!"

    Preaching the Gospel is the Great Commission given by Jesus. (Love the Lord with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind)

    Caring for the world's ill's is living that gospel and putting it into practice. (Love your neighbor as yourself.)

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Blue1018, you said: "I Think God will judge this ridiculous sentence as blatantly ignorant," in reference to the following statement:

    "The role of the Church is not to solve the ills of the world but to be faithful to the Preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!"

    Would you be kind enough to explain your rationale to us "ignorant" people. Thanks!

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "The role of the Church is not to solve the ills of the world but to be faithful to the Preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!"

    Now THAT is a scary sentence. Apparently someone has not been to Africa or Latin American or even the more ghetto of ghettos in Philadelphia and New York and seen how the majority of the world lives. Apparently someone has lived a snuggled, comfortable life and no need to bother helping people who NEED it more than we NEED a tv or book or laptop. I Think God will judge this ridiculous sentence as blatantly ignorant.

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:47 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I'm a shortest distance between two points kind of guy.

    Love the Lord with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind; and love your neighbor as yourself. Mankind always wants to come up with option B to God's plan. Why is that? Doing these two things WOULD solve the worlds problems wouldn't it?

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:17 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    TallGuy 1000

    Again God's Word instructs us to Preach The Word. Are we to care for the Sick, the Widow and the Children...Sure...But uttermost, we are to Preach The Word, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    The Great Commission is to go to all the world, teaching and preaching the word of God, making disciplies and Baptizing them in the Name of the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

    May God and Him Alone be glorified...not man or his ways because they are deceitfully wicked.

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:11 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I think the issue is priorities as opposed to being or not being involved in the care of creation. God's command to believers is to join Him in fulfilling His Great Commission, therefore this should be the top priority of every Christian, church, and denomination. To focus on the issues mentioned in this article at the cost of either limiting or ignoring our responsibility to God's Great Commission is not only wrong it is sin. Plus it plays right into Satan's hand because if we take our focus off the fulfillment of God's Great Commission there will be more people who will not be reached for Christ who'll be joining him in hell for eternity. So why it is good we consider and do what we can to improve and protect our environment we must not focus so much of our time and energy in this area that we miss out on joining God in fulfilling His Great Commission.

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Bryan, where does it say in the bible that the church is not to solve the ills of the world? If the church doesn't do it then who will? Of course, there is only one true Church that has the wisdom and authority do do this! The Holy Church that I'm talking about always takes a stand on morality and guides the world on all moral issues. Listen to the Church...
    God bless and keep you Holy...

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I'm afraid Rick Warren has gone the "way of the world." Like most who become popular, he's let it all go to his head. Now he puts himself to be a demi-god.

    Warren, you need to get back to the fundamentals: read your bible, humble yourself, and SHUT UP!

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:37 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It's not the Church's role to solve global problems, it's God's role. Why don't we get back to doing the mission He gave us and leave the rest up to Him.

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    THANK YOU PTR BRYAN! Glad I'm not the only one who sees that the "American Church" has usurped God's role as provider, healer and sustainer and used the wicked philosophy of the day: blind reason to throw money at the world's problems. Jesus said: "Seek first the Kingdom of God...and all these things will be added..." The problem is, we don't even believe in God anymore. How can you trust a God to provide you with something when you don't even believe in Him to supply your needs to begin with? He can create the universe but He just can't cure world hunger?

  • Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:16 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The role of the Church is not to solve the ills of the world but to be faithful to the Preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

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