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Society|Fri, Oct. 03 2008 04:15 PM EDT

Biden, Palin Contend for 'Change' Reputation

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Sen. Joe Biden and Gov. Sarah Palin held a generally cordial vice presidential debate Thursday evening as they battled to claim the title of change agent and promised to fix a broken Washington.

Palin touted her record as Alaska governor and pointed out that she rooted out government corruption, took on powerful oil companies, and worked across party lines to get legislations passed to benefit her constituency.

Meanwhile, Biden emphasized that he has a strong track record of bipartisan efforts and will work with his running mate, Barack Obama, to drastically change current policies regarding energy, tax policy, the Iraq war, and the war on terrorism.

Analysts say both Palin and Biden performed well and achieved their goals as they exuded confidence and looked relaxed.

Among those who praised Palin's performance, Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser was glad to see "the real" Palin back.

"The Sarah we saw tonight was the same Sarah from the GOP convention - the real Sarah. She is back," Dannenfelser said in a statement just after the debate. The Susan B. Anthony List is a nationwide network of pro-life women.

Matt Barber, director of Cultural Affairs with Liberty Counsel, who has condemned mainstream media's attacks on Palin, said Palin may have gotten the last laugh Thursday "by delivering a sound victory over Joe Biden in the Vice Presidential debate."

"Her wit, confidence and folksy demeanor was reminiscent of another great maverick, Ronald Reagan. In just 90 minutes, she managed to shatter the false bimbo image the mainstream media have spent weeks meticulously fabricating," he commented.

Republican political commentators on FOX News say Palin won the debate while CNN and CBS News/Knowledge Networks polls show that their viewers sided with Biden.

Throughout the evening, Palin frequently inserted the words “mavericks” and “reform” into her responses as she tried to portray herself as a Washington outsider and an average American.

“We’re known for putting partisan politics aside to just get the job done,” she said of herself and running mate John McCain.

But Biden charged McCain of agreeing with unpopular President George W. Bush on nearly every policy, and argued that electing McCain would be voting for the status quo.

McCain's policy "is the same as George Bush's, and you know where that policy has taken us," Biden criticized.

The first half of the evening’s debate focused on domestic issues - such as energy independence, climate change, the economic crisis, and tax policy – and then shifted to foreign affairs such as the war in Iraq, Iran and its nuclear ambition, eliminating the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and U.S.-Israel relations.

But during a brief point in the debate, the two vice presidential candidates discussed their views on the rights of same-sex couples.

Both Biden and Palin agree that same-sex couples should have the same civil rights benefits as heterosexual couples in terms of hospital visitation, property ownership, life insurance policies, etc.

Palin carefully clarified that she is tolerant although she may disagree with people, including close friends, on the homosexuality issue, which in an earlier interview she has called a “choice.” Continue »

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  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I 100% do not trust Barrack Hussein Obama and neither should you. I am voting McCain - Palin.

    Anyone considering voting for Barrack Obama, should look at these videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDcQUcAjoeI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQadAAlK9c4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MU8OKaUvkU

    *** Americans for McCain - Palin ***

  • Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Did Obama support the murder of Christians in Kenya? Aparently he raised $1 million dollars to his uncle who did.

  • Sun Oct 12, 2008 4:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seriously agent, you are wasting you time with seedling, you offer logic in your posts, his posts are largely rambling nonsense. He gives his religion a bad name....

  • Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I guess that my love for this country is why I am not a liberal who thinks that the US Constitution should change with the wind"

    Change with the wind huh? In it's 200+ years of existence it's only had a few dozen amendments, and some important ones dealt directly with social justice and equality for all in response for horrid treatment of the past. But I guess such liberal notions as equality, suffrage and justice for all is just too much, huh?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    So, in your world Seed you would rather prefer women and minorities not be able to vote in sake of updating a living document? This is 'love' huh? Morbid sense of love and justice. Times change, societies change and the constitution allows for amendments for this very reason as they realized they wanted the document compatible for such a purpose. It's not a holly document after all.

  • Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I chose not to argue the case against the abortion bombers and their motives because I knew that with you and Scit it would be a dead issue."

    Or b/c it wouldn't end well in your favor, that's usually how those things go. You're ok with a topic, but the second it changes in favor, you change topic, subterfuge, or slight of hand, ignore, move goal posts. ANYTHING but acknowledging that Blacks and minorities were targeted by the Govt. and treated like trash. No, to acknowledge that would mean you'd have to explain why you questioned their views on the Govt.

    Seed, you must be getting brain damage. How could you say

    "The Oklahoma City bombing was directly aimed at the government."

    And follow it up later with...

    "I think that the connection between the heartlands and patriotism reveals some big distinctions in politics."

    I realize the group he's from is from Michigan, but if that is what the heartland does for ya, whoaah.

  • Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "On a side note, you well know Bush beat Gore not through the popular vote but through the Electoral College which reflects his support among people outside of the urban population."

    Exactly, most of the back woods places, as or Palin my say 'ol joe six packs and hockey mom's voted Bush, hardly surprising there.

    Seed, what are you talking about, the FL recount showed Gore would have won in every scenario for the recount. The only reason Bush won was b/c he was chosen by the Supreme Court.

  • Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Seed,

    "There is a big difference between disliking what a president is doing and hating him. "

    I guess there is, but you were talking about 'America haters' not president haters, they too are different.

    Plenty of traditional Conservatives and Republicans despise Bush Jr. for his lacking fiscally conservative policies. Took the largest surplus and ran a deficit each year, taking the national debt from 4 trillion to 10 trillion. Swell job! Shrink the govt, yeaaah right! The only reason why he still has 28% rating in the polls is b/c some people are blindly loyal for person above principle. Makes you wanna puke.

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Seed, just to keep the troopergate story balanced, Palin and her campaign staff issued a statement that stated she did no wrong............LOL.

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "The bottom line is that if everyone who hated America was banned from voting it would be a landslide - conservatives would win every time. ..."

    Seriously seed, give it up, your repeated posting on this really makes you look really rather ignorant, and thats putting it mildly. I thought your religion was suppose to bring love and joy. From your posts, I see a very angry person filled with much hate....

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hey seed, Heard the latest on your sweet sarah and her troopergate thing? In case you have not, let me the first to tell you that your sweet and honest sarah abused the powers of her office by pressuring subordinates to try to get her former brother-in-law, a state trooper fired.

    I have attached the links for you convenience, the last one is from Fox News:

    Alaska Inquiry Concludes Palin Abused Powers, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?em

    Alaska Legislative Probe Finds Palin Misused Power
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/10/alaska_legislative_probe_finds.html

    Panel: Palin Abused Her Power in Firing of Commissioner
    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/10/panel-palin-abused-power-firing-commissioner/


    She is nasty vindictive person, good thing she will be sent back to Alaska very soon.

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    My point here is quite simple Agent and I think that any honest liberal would admit it.

    There is a big difference between disliking what a president is doing and hating him.
    There is also a big difference between disliking particular government regulations and hating a government.

    I chose not to argue the case against the abortion bombers and their motives because I knew that with you and Scit it would be a dead issue. You guys will think whatever you want to think. While I am not familiar with all of the bombers' stories, I think that their motives were different than say that of the NY Times when they ran their stories which compromised US intelligence and their efforts to thwart future terror attacks. At least one of the abortion bombers (who had obvious psychological problems) thought that he was saving babies by blowing up clinics. The Oklahoma City bombing was directly aimed at the government.

    On a side note, you well know Bush beat Gore not through the popular vote but through the Electoral College which reflects his support among people outside of the urban population. I'm not a big fan of country music, but one cannot help but notice the patriotism there. I think that the connection between the heartlands and patriotism reveals some big distinctions in politics.

    Quite frankly I have a great appreciation for our constitution and our system of government (I do not intend to mean that I appreciate the power brokers of Washington and their games of bureaucracy and deceit). I guess that my love for this country is why I am not a liberal who thinks that the US Constitution should change with the wind. It is not perfect, but I do believe that it is the best on God's green earth. Of course I am a Christian and I do recognize our Christian heritage. Of course life is not always fair and people are not always fair. Hopefully we learn from our mistakes and other people's mistakes as well.

    The bottom line is that if everyone who hated America was banned from voting it would be a landslide - conservatives would win every time. Notice I did not say Republicans, since not all Republicans are conservative.

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "if you want to ban the two or three abortion bombers as conservative Republicans who hate America from voting, who would win?"

    Their actions only epitomize the disgust felt by many others who are equally despised but don't join in on the fire bombing. Their vocal opposition to the matter is no different that how the pastor felt enthused to champion GDA. After all, consider all the plight minorities have been put through and perhaps you'll understand their reasoning for thinking the Govt. isn't in their favor.

    Most citizens love the country, but they don't particularly love the Govt, and so not everyone is satisfied with how the country is, was, and where its headed so in this respect, if you define those who 'hate America' as those who are dissatisfied in any respect, you'd end up with A LOT of people not voting. In that sense, both politicians would lose out as they are, and the Govt is, equally despised on many grounds, so much so that inferring 'who would win' would be for all practical purposes impossible.

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dongard, if you read my post clearly, I asked:

    WHO would win IF everyone who hated America were banned from voting?

    Alright Agent, if you want to ban the two or three abortion bombers as conservative Republicans who hate America from voting, who would win?

  • Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    why would any american want to "ban" other americans from voting? what kind of american would even come up with such a question?

  • Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    agent, I think your wasting your time with seedling, he appears to be a bit too far to the left on the Gaussian distribution of intel. to grasp the content of your postings.......

  • Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Seed, you seem to want to have your cake and eat it too here. You want on one hand to acknowledge that some people (some Americans, minorities in general) in some respect despise America (particularly its Govt.), but you're not even willing to acknowledge ALL the wrong doings and horrid injustices the US Govt. had been involved in on such specific minorities/groups/peoples to cause such reactions in the first place? Cause and effect sound familiar?

    Look at it this way. Plenty of Social Conservatives are downright pissed off about how the Fed instituted laws allowing abortions, some so pissed they have firebombed clinics in response. This is essentially an act of terrorism against the practice, if not the laws of the govt. Now, there are some very 'America hating people' too it would seem. their hatred runs so deep, it compels them to murder!

    So by your logic, fire bombing a clinic aint no thing and they aren't 'america haters'....but saying GDA in a church is? I realize both actions are the result of cause and affect, but both are according to the premise acting in accordance with 'America hating'.

    Hmmmmm, mighty illogical. One is protected under freedom of speech, while the other (firebombing) certainly isn't. Only in a America is public dissension defined as being 'un-patriotic' or as 'un-american' or as 'america hating'. Are you watching enough Ann Coulter?

  • Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Who would win the election if everyone who hates America were banned from voting?"

    Again, these people are more well defined as disgusted with the role govt. has played in past, they don't hate the country, they hate the govt. and how corrupt its been and its injustices and despotism upon humanity, especially other Americans.

  • Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Seed,

    "Do you know that there are many blacks that despise and lament integration? "

    Sure, and again it's not a surprise why. They were shafted from day 1, they in some sense don't have the reassurance that whites or the govt. has their back.

    At any rate, such an statement like 'GDA' is perhaps over the top in a general sense, but when context is applied and how the poor blacks in New Orleans and in the past how America has treated blacks specifically and in general, some angst and anger is to be expected. His statement applied in context should be GD 'US govt', or such past events they helped orchestrate or were culpable in.

    "Does this sound like the kind of change you can believe in? "

    NO, I believe in equality, which is something they weren't given from the get go.

  • Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well seed, looks like a lot of America hating voters out there. Here are the most recent polling data from the Iowa Electronic Markets, ENJOY:

    Market Quotes: Pres08_VS
    2008 Presidential Election Vote Share Market.
    Quotes current as of 12:30:03 CST, Thursday, October 09, 2008.
    Symbol Bid Ask Last Low High Average
    UDEM08_VS 0.547 0.559 0.559 0.558 0.559 0.559
    UREP08_VS 0.449 0.459 0.449 0.449 0.459 0.453
    -----------------------------------------------

    Market Quotes: Pres08_WTA
    2008 Presidential Election Winner-Take-All Market.
    Quotes current as of 12:30:03 CST, Thursday, October 09, 2008.
    Symbol Bid Ask Last Low High Average
    DEM08_WTA 0.806 0.816 0.810 0.810 0.842 0.823
    REP08_WTA 0.190 0.192 0.190 0.181 0.192 0.188

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You still have yet to answer my question:

    Who would win the election if everyone who hates America were banned from voting?

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OK holito, your going to really like this, I am going to throw in at no additional cost- polar bears.....

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    holito "Ok, How much do you want?

    Wow, you mean you want to buy some frozen tundra in Florida from me, cool.......

    Yep, I want all you can give me. I live own Boardwalk and Park place. I have put hotels on both. I make 2000 everytime you stay in my hotels on Boardwalk and 1725 when you stay on Park Place. Plus, I make 200 dollars everytime I pass Go. So I'm loaded. I may buy all 4 railroads too. So with your frozen Tundra and my properites... wooooo! weeee!

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Scit, you do not argue on Christian Post against Christianity because you just "don't know."

    -Enough said.

  • igh »
    Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What will happen if the world 'collapses' into some great depression? Stock markets, housing, banking, even governments failing.
    Wars will be started over this, it encourages our enemies to attack when we are weak and divided. This is not a safe world.
    I have heard Russia say 'the United States is the problem."
    So.... They want to replace us? As the world's superpower? Maybe in alliance with Europe? The E.U.? And what about Asia? Who will they side with?

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed, Keating Five- John McCain, nuff said......

  • Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "about how you atheists "

    Im not an atheist, look up definition of agnostic.

    "swooning from the Great Obama."

    At least Im supporting an intelligent and capable candidate, so whats your reason for the palin swoon........LOL

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Scit, as I've pointed out before, Democrats are to blame for the economy.

    In 1968, to remove the activity of Fannie Mae from the annual balance sheet of the federal budget, it was converted into a private corporation.[6] Fannie Mae ceased to be the guarantor of government-issued mortgages, and that responsibility was transferred to the new Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae). In 1995, Fannie Mae began receiving affordable housing credit for buying subprime securities. In 1999, Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, was under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

    The Bush Administration tried to reform Fannie and Freddie in 2003 only to be stopped by Congressional Democrats such as Barney Frank who said there was no problem to fix. Senators Hagel and John McCain tried to pass "The Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005," legislation tightening the supervision of the agencies in 2005. Meanwhile, former Clinton Administration officials-turned-Fannie Mae executives such as Jamie Gorelick, Frank Raines and others walked out of Fannie Mae with over $100 million in compensation after illegally manipulating earnings statements and engaging in Enron-type fraud. The two Senators taking the most profit from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Chris Dodd and Barack Obama. (Notice - Obama - Obama - Obama).

    In 2000, due to a re-assessment of the housing market by HUD, anti-predatory lending rules were put into place that disallowed risky, high-cost loans from being credited toward affordable housing goals. In 2004, these rules were dropped and high-risk loans were again counted toward affordable housing goals.[7]

    Taken from Wiki last week before they deleted the good stuff.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "seed, you appear to be an overly emotional person."

    ha...ha...ha! That is absolutely hilarious! I was just talking to my wife tonight about how you atheists enjoy amusing themselves with the sentiment that Christians are too 'emotional' when in fact you and Agent seem to be emotionally swooning from the Great Obama.

    Agent, Wiki is a good source for information, but it is hardly an exhaustive resource. Black Liberation Theology is not merely a reaction to the KKK. Do you know that there are many blacks that despise and lament integration? Many want certain states set aside to claim as their own. Furthermore I would most definitely place Black Liberation Theology side by side with the KKK, being rooted in racial bigotry. Neither deserve a place in the oval office. Incidentally, it was mostly the Democrats who enjoyed company with the KKK over the years at any rate.

    I don't know what you think goes on in Christian churches across America, but I can fill you in. When we see deep rooted issues of hatred and racism, we do not say 'God damn America', we say God help America, God save America - from her racism, from her hatred.

    This is from James Cone foremost black liberation theologian:

    “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”

    Does this sound like the kind of change you can believe in?

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Both Senators Obama and McCain performed reasonably well during tonight's debate. All Obama needed to do tonight is to demonstrate that he is qualified to be president. He did that. McCain is behind in the polls by significant margins. He needed to discredit Obama and put doubts in the minds of undecided voters that he is not qualified to be president, he did not succeed in that endeavor.

    Here is why McCain will not be the next president:

    1. The economy is in bad shape.
    2. Bush's huge negative numbers, McCain term seen as bush 3rd term.
    3. Palin factor, seen as not presidential among majority of electorate, especially
    woman.
    4. It's the economy.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed, you appear to be an overly emotional person. Some emotion is good, too much and one loses all sense of logic and reason. I think thats where your at with your rather mindless rantings. Your posts are best described as wacky. I suspect part of the problem is too much pent up anger, perhaps therapy might be in order.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "KKK reveals not only this fact,"

    Just so I have you right, you're saying the 400 years of slavery, KKK, endless lynching, un-equal rights for blacks in the work force & housing and elsewhere, segregation, no rights to vote, no able to hold office, no rights to own land, not able to interracial marry, and so on aren't reasons for a movement like Black
    Liberation Theology? Riight, thought so. Their re-action is the consequence of previous actions by such despotism in which they were treated like garbage. And you wonder why they're upset with some white people and a particular govt. party in general?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology

    "Why is it that the US military is almost unanimously conservative Republicans?"

    Source for this? I am not sure, people join the military out of many reasons, and some are essentially forced to as they have no funds for college or have no direction in life or are gullible in thinking joining the national guard would be all fun and games, only to be sent into war.

    "but that they would literally commit treason and sell-out America without a second thought. "

    No, like Vietnam and (you'd hope) the lessons we learned from it, it's about only going to war when it's absolutely required and when enough substantial and consistent evidence demonstrates it's needed. 'Curve ball' was basically what the Iraq war was sold on, and all the war and fear mongering, and a trillion dollar price tag not to mentioned the lives lost is what followed, how pathetic.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Agent you obviously know very little about Black Liberation Theology. To say that it is a reaction to the KKK reveals not only this fact, but the way you simply dismiss those in the Democrat Party who hate America also tells me a lot.

    Why is it that the US military is almost unanimously conservative Republicans? I personally do not think that if someone was against the invasion of Iraq that they are not patriotic. But it is interesting to see how many Democrats not only are against the invasion, but that they would literally commit treason and sell-out America without a second thought.

    I remember during the last election how the Swift Boat Vets for Truth exposed John Kerry and the fact that he was on the Communist Vietnam wall of heroes. This is the man that Dems nominated to represent them. The Communist Party USA endorsed him as well. Go ahead, you can defend him too. You can even defend Gore's oxygen tax and his carbon tax to the UN - just don't expect to get an applause here.


    My challenge still stands if you will dare to answer:

    If those who hate America would be banned from voting, who would win?


    Scit you and Agent's responses are too telling. I said that you would stumble all over yourselves to excuse these people and guess what? You did! The crazy thing is that you are so blind to it that you never even knew you were doing it. Go ahead my friends, keep on excusing them, I'm sure they apreciate it.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    holito "Ok, How much do you want?

    Wow, you mean you want to buy some frozen tundra in Florida from me, cool.......

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "At least, Palin has built a two models, the second more impressive than the first. "

    Yeah, she started off as mayor of Wasilla, population 9,000 and ended up leaving it with 22 million in debt. Then she moved on to Alaska, population 500,000.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If you are capable of hearing the nonsense from the left wing liberals regarding 9/11, such as America had it coming"

    What, are you saying our actions don't have consequences and we shouldn't expect retaliation? Ha. Our actions resulted in us being a victim of our own circumstances. I wont say we deserved it, but the USA has plenty of blood on its hands, to pretend it wouldn't happen would be ignoring 'cause and effect'.

    "many liberals literally want to tax Americans to death,"

    I don't know, I see some of their policies as fruitful as at that level only govt. action can make a difference. If we could raise the life expectancy and improve the quality of life by raising taxes a little, most I think wouldn't mind.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed, I can see why you are so enamored of Palin. Logic and reason are not your forte, you both operate from emotion. Bush is like that too, thats why his administration has failed........

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "stated that God should damn America"

    I think in context we all know why he stated this, he doesn't hate America, he's disgusted with some of its war mongering policies.

    "If you study the roots of black liberation theology, you will discover a lot of hate. Their theology is not based on the Bible but their outright prejudice against 'whitey."

    Geeee, I wonder why Seedy? Could it be the the those couple hundred years of slavery? Segregation? Non equal workers rights? It's obviously why many blacks are pissed at whites, especially the party of the of the KKK, it's b/c they've been shafted since day 1.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If the people who hate America were banned from voting, who do you think would win the election?"

    Scit, I guess you need educated a bit. There are many Democrats who outright hate America. I guess you forgot that Obama's own pastor of 20 plus years stated that God should damn America. If you study the roots of black liberation theology, you will discover a lot of hate. Their theology is not based on the Bible but their outright prejudice against 'whitey.' That might be a first clue. If you research the endorsements that the Communist Party USA has given to the Democratic Party, you might understand my question. If you study how much foreign money has been given to the Democratic Party, you may understand. If you research how many of America's enemies have endorsed Democrat politicians, you might actually begin to comprehend the question. If you are capable of hearing the nonsense from the left wing liberals regarding 9/11, such as America had it coming, America deserved it, it was all America's fault, etc. you might start catching on to what I'm talking about. If you examine who the way many liberals literally want to tax Americans to death, you might pick up another clue. If you look at the way the liberal judges have ruled against laws that were passed directly by citizens you might pick up yet another clue. If you look at the way the liberal ACLU has tried to strip away our national history, you might get it.

    Evidently you have been swooning under the influence of the Messiah Obama and have lost touch with reality otherwise you wouldn't have needed it all spelled out. We will all be able to know how committed you are to the liberal vision in the way you will most likely defend them for hating America. Am I suggesting that you have to agree with all politicians to love America? Of course not. But there is a difference between disagreement and outright hatred.

    America needs no trojan horse for her enemies to infiltrate her ranks; all she needs is greed for money, lust for power and envy.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    " 'Palin is real, what you see is what you get.'

    And what we see is- not presidential. "

    What I've seen of the dem ticket is not presidential but rather dictitorial fascism at best...foolish and stupid at worst.

    Leberman just plain lies. He was a big supporter of the McCain ticket and said so. Then he gets on the ticket and does a 180. Either he lied to start with or he's lying now. Either way...he's lied.

    The dems made such a big deal out of forcing new taxes after the first Bush said 'read my lips'. At least he only said one position on the same issue. Obama has already done more 'read my lips' blunders then both Bush's put together.

    I think Obama supporters are so open minded that their ability to look at the facts has just plain leaked out!

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If you believe palin is the best choice McCain could have made for a VP pick, then I have some frozen tundra in Florida I can give you a good deal on. If you believe palin to be presidential material, then your standards for leadership are very low indeed.
    Ok, How much do you want?
    How can you say with a straight face "you'll hire someone to build you a house and they've never built one." They haven't even drawn up the plans before. At least, Palin has built a two models, the second more impressive than the first.
    From your comment, I take it you are a gamblin man.

  • Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "If the people who hate America were banned from voting, who do you think would win the election?"

    Do you really believe mccain, bush, cheney and the neocon supporters hate America? Even though it may seem they do based on their actions, perhaps hate is too strong a word, how about they are just a bit misguided.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "She is very careful not to say anything that would misrepesent McCain. "

    Hmmm, As I recall, in here interview with couric, she said she would engage in cross border attacks in Pakistan against terrorist without the consent of the Pakistani government. mccain said exactly the opposite and chastised obama for suggesting he might. Isnt she suppose to be speaking for and representing mccain's policies?

    "She takes being honest seriously"

    When asked to name newspapers she read, she didnt have an answer until she came up with "I read all of them", instead of admitting she doesnt read any of them.

    she said she opposed the "bridge to no where". Well actually she lobbied heavily for it until it was obvious it was becoming a embarresment as it became an poster child for pork barrel spending in the US congress, She also supported the $ 26 million road to the bride to no where that was built. Why didnt she mention these things.

    So much for honesty......

    Whats goin on with the Troopergate thing? Why have the Republicans been bringing lawsuits to stop the investigation? So much for being honest.....

    "Palin is real, what you see is what you get."

    And what we see is- not presidential.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If the people who hate America were banned from voting, who do you think would win the election?"

    Which Americans hate America? I think you mean those who're embarrassed to be known as Americans thanks to you know who in office the past 8 years...

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "She probably is not familiar enough with McCain's stand on all the issues,"

    I would have to agree there, that would explain her bombed interviews and how her only recourse during the debate was to not directly address some of the questions (health care, environment, nuclear weapons) but instead return to the canned talking points. In the end all you get is endless rhetoric of being a dog gone' maverick, a wolf shooting joe sickpack hockey mom.

    "it would be different if she was representing herself."

    Indeed it would, those past interviews where she tried to cram she got exposed.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One question,

    If the people who hate America were banned from voting, who do you think would win the election?

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Frozen talking heads will always disagree. Palin has a lot going for her. I think that there are a couple of factors that need to be considered here.

    1. She is very careful not to say anything that would misrepesent McCain. Why? She takes being honest seriously, unlike Biden with whom honesty is taboo. That single factor alone grants her more credibility among those who have not been convinced by Obama's messiah complex. Palin is real, what you see is what you get.

    2. She probably is not familiar enough with McCain's stand on all the issues, it would be different if she was representing herself.

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I cannot believe you wrote this for other people to actually read. Palin has been both Governor and mayor. "

    Yeah, mayor of a town of about 9,000, and governor over Alaska, population 500,000 -awesome!

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=#more

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    holito8 , if a candidate cannot answer basic questions asked of them in a one on one interview and answer them in something that even vaguely resembles logic and intelligence should not be president, we have already had eight years of that. Part of leadership is the ability to understand concepts and articulate them intelligently. We need more than another TelePrompTer
    president. During the "debate", rather than answer the questions asked of her, she went off on tangents unrelated to the question and into memorized talking points. America can do better than this, we dont need another eight years of stupidity.

    I rest my case..........

    If you believe palin is the best choice McCain could have made for a VP pick, then I have some frozen tundra in Florida I can give you a good deal on. If you believe palin to be presidential material, then your standards for leadership are very low indeed.

    Even conservative columnists are saying palin is not presidential material.

    Mccain's pick of palin really calls into question his judgement..............

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Also, if America is willing to accept the inexperience of Obama for President, they should be more than willing to accept any inexperience of Palin for VP."

    Obama has shown intelligence and can talk about issues in great detail, he is very knowledgible on many topics.. Palin has shown none of this, really similar to bush, not much of an idea person. The electorate is weary of stupidity and incompotence.

    I stand by my earlier post, palin offers nothing of value to America except for some one liners.......


    I cannot believe you wrote this for other people to actually read. Palin has been both Governor and mayor. Obama has only given you word.
    Let talk about experience. As a mayor you have to run the affair of your town. As Governor you have to run the affair of the state.
    Tell me has Obama been a mayor? I say no.
    Has Obama been Governor? I say no.
    Governor make decisions that are implemented in the state. As a sentator Obama has to get congress to pass his bill. O by the way, what bills for the state of Illnois has he gotten passed?

  • Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    seed "People will vote for whoever they want to, it is not up to you, me or the media elite to decide that "

    We can agree on that..

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