Updated 12:58 pm.EST, Sat November 21, 2009

Society|Thu, Oct. 16 2008 04:14 PM EDT

McCain, Obama Clash over Abortion Issue

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Near the end of the final presidential debate Wednesday night, Sens. Barack Obama and John McCain were asked about their views on an infamous abortion law.

  • (Photo: AP/Gary Hershorn, Pool)
    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., looks at and Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., during the presidential debate Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2008, at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.

In the course of their responses, the two presidential nominees revealed the stark contrast between their opinions on Roe v. Wade – the Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion nationwide.

McCain, who has a 100 percent pro-life record in his 26 years in Congress, called Roe v. Wade “a bad decision.” But he would not go as far as some Republican conservatives want and seek to overturn the 1973 decision.

Instead, the Republican senator wants to turn over abortion law decisions to states.

He did, however, vehemently defend the culture of life after Obama said he believes that Roe v. Wade “was rightly decided.”

“We have to change the culture of America,” McCain argues. “Those of us who are proudly pro-life understand that. And it’s got to be courage and compassion that we show to a young woman who’s facing this terribly difficult decision.”

McCain, who normally shies on culture war issues, called out Obama’s record in the Illinois Senate where he voted against a measure that would give medical attention to a baby born alive during an abortion. He also pointed to the Illinois senator’s votes against banning partial-birth abortion, a type of late-term abortion.

To his defense, Obama explained that in regards to the born-alive act, there was already a law in Illinois that required medical care for babies born during an abortion attempt. He said he voted against the act because it would undermine Roe. V. Wade.

Then he explained that he is against partial-birth abortions and late-term abortions as long as there’s an exception for the mother’s health. The bills he voted against in the Senate did not contain the exception, he said.

“I think that abortion is a very difficult issue and it is a moral issue and one that I think good people on both sides can disagree on,” he said.

“But what ultimately I believe is that women in consultation with their families, their doctors, their religious advisers, are in the best position to make this decision," Obama said. "And I think that the Constitution has a right to privacy in it that shouldn't be subject to state referendum, any more than our First Amendment rights are subject to state referendum, any more than many of the other rights that we have should be subject to popular vote."

Pro-life groups, however, issued statements criticizing Obama’s response to the abortion issue after the presidential debate.

The president of the Susan B. Anthony List Candidate Fund, Marjorie Dannenfelser, called Obama's position “abortion extremism” and denounced his vote against partial birth abortion as “senseless.”

Americans United for Life accused Obama of “twisting the facts” when responding to McCain’s charges against his past votes.

"I hope the American people notice that while Barack Obama misled them about his past record on abortion, he also refused to mention what he promised Planned Parenthood in July 2007 - that the first thing he would do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA)," said Charmaine Yoest, President of AUL Action.

"FOCA is a bill pending before the US Senate that would eliminate every abortion regulation in the country including popular laws such as parental notification, informed consent, and bans on partial birth abortion,” she explained. “FOCA means abortion on demand, in all nine months of pregnancy, for any reason, nationwide and paid for by your tax dollars. The American people deserve to know the real truth about Barack Obama's record and position on abortion."

An ad campaign, launched this week by the conservative group Family Research Council Action PAC, also highlights Obama’s support of FOCA.

Sort by: Newest | Oldest | Agree | Disagree
All comments on this page are subject to our Terms of Use and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Christian Post or its staff.
  • tw »
    Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:49 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Never mind about the flagging. I'm new here and didn't get it.

  • tw »
    Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Let's remember our Founding Fathers, and vote accordingly. FOCA seems to be a major stumbling block for Obama.
    Just wondering why every single message here is flagged? On some, it may be because the word "speech" is spelled incorrectly? ;^)

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Believer,
    Liberalism has never been for free speach unless it is an attack against our nation's Christian heritage.
    Seed

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Here in Colorado we have a ballot issue that I hope will pass. It's the "person" amendment, which will extend the term, and all it's rights, of "person" to the fetus at the moment of conception. If that passes, that will be one step closer to eliminating the infantcide that is running rampant in our country.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:19 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    seed, I don't know who or why you're getting flagged, but it appears the humanistic thought police are on the prowl against several posters. Amazing how liberals teach we should be free to express our beliefs, but when those beliefs don't jive with their beliefs here come the flags.

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I suppose that such flagging can be expected in the Obama camp. Freedom of speach is under threat. Obama has asked news agencies to not publish or air certain facts about his history. Obama has yet to publically state whether or not he supports the Fairness Doctrine that will limit free speach on conservative and Christian radio programs.

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The lesson of the New Testament is salvation through faith in Christ, and demonstrating that faith through love. If we were to see a break down of the wheat and chaff and the goats and sheep; we would not see it broken down between those who kill and those that do not. We would likely see it it broken down between those who hate/apathy v.s. those that love.

    The Republican leaders have done nothing on abortion. What have they always done? They always get those cuts that benefit mostly the rich." You can judge a tree by its fruit." Meanwhile, they demonize and hate everyone who thinks differently than them. They rush to war, they advocate torture, they lie, they are greedy and they hate.

  • GMG »
    Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    gracen77

    >>>God's will is paramount to me. Thus, Thy will be done. (It shall, anyway) So, Yes! <<<

    God's will is paramont to me also. Why do you think that it is God's will that Obama become president. Do you believe he is a Christian?

  • DRJ »
    Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:09 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I don't know how this blog deteriorated into a clash over gun control! I have never owned a firearm. My only experience with armaments was for 4 years in the military. I'm 60 years old and have gotten along nicely without owning a gun. However, if there was ever an unconstitutional law enacted saying that it would be illegal for me to own a gun, just before it became law, I would buy several firearms. WHY? Because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the country I fought to protect was no longer in existence. It would be clear that the new country was on its way to becoming some form of dictatorship/socialist/communist state! Wake up! THe only reason a government takes arms away from its citizens is to avoid a revolution. On the home front, a citizenry without the right to arm itself is one that is placed in extreme danger by thugs who ALREADY HAVE an illegal arms warehouse! If guns are ever outlawed for citizens without a felony conviction, you will see the rise of street gangs who will then make deals with the local police. You are begging for a gangster state of affairs. Your children will be taken from you and sold on an international sex slave or sweat shop market. Don't be foolish! I'm talking about a type of empowerment that the citizenry now has because thugs DARE NOT guess who has and does not have firearms to protect themselves!

  • Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Igh,

    "Now on your professor, he is wrong. I will not believe for a second there is evidence of self-protection with a firearm showing no real significance."

    There you go again, rejecting any evidence. No comment on the president voting on laws thing?

  • Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Re: GMG - Then I take it you are voting for Obama?

    God's will is paramount to me. Thus, Thy will be done. (It shall, anyway) So, Yes!

  • Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:23 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    The fact that Obama's knowledge on the abortion issue is beyond his pay grade and so inaccurate reveals his lack of experience to be President of the United States.

  • GMG »
    Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Gracen77,

    Then I take it you are voting for Obama?

  • Sat Oct 18, 2008 1:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Still amazing to me after arriving to this day & God's appointed time He spoke of, that my very first issue was an abortion issue in '77. Naturally, God who can look across the annuls of time, knew this would be a major issue for the Christians. It ended for me long ago, though not happy about it. Our AWESOME Father, King of Kings sent us a bit to ponder. See true story, though NY actors animated it for me for the youth:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp1xBUFjEB0 Go to site given and click abortion. New site coming soon. Tell me what you think. but please reply here. Controversy! Thanks and Blessings!

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    nohypocrites:
    You seem to be saying that abortion is OK because we are all sinners.
    rlmategc:
    1.2 MILLION abortions/year, each one taking an innocent life. But that's OK, because some gang-banger shot another one.

  • igh »
    Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    rlmategc, you are forgetting the American Revolution. Many everyday citizens rose up and became an army.

    Now on your professor, he is wrong. I will not believe for a second there is evidence of self-protection with a firearm showing no real significance.
    There are sprays, and alarms and Dogs to name a few available self-defense measures available.
    Would you outlaw those too?
    Only a fool would say, "Self defense is not significant with a firearm."
    Many thiefs know that homes have guns, and they also know to remove them would make them very happy. Crime would increase and so would government Opression.

    Now on Hunters and those who like to collect guns and those who like to shoot for sport, like targets and clay pigeons. Would you ban those too? God given common sense says we dont need AK-47's for home defense but a nice shotgun or pistol does just fine. TY.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Igh,

    No offense, but with respect to evolution and govt. it seems you at times haven't a clue. For example...

    "Now on Obama, he is the worst we could ever have in the White House,"

    Worst EVER? Relative to the current guy (Bush jr.) and his policies? I highly doubt it, it's hard to top such a disastrous administration.

    "not just because of what he will vote for,"

    Ummm, Igh, you really haven't a clue do you? The president signs laws (or vetos them) which are voted on in the 2 houses of our govt (the senate and house of congress). At no time is the president allowed to effectively vote on any bills/laws. The presidents powers resides in the executive branch, not the in the legislative (senate and congress of house do).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States

    "but because he is not real smart, he has absolutely no wisdom."

    not smart? A man who graduated from 2 of the most prestigious private universities in the world (Harvard and Columbia) and you have the audacity to say he's not smart? Yea, that's rich.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 3:42 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Professor Alexander DeConde summarizes the actual research on this by saying,“Most studies show that guns in private hands, regardless of how carried, have not stopped crime with any significance capable of measurement. Attempts to use a gun against an armed assailant usually have been more deadly for the victim than for the attacker.” So you are just perpetuating another myth. This is not a smokescreen it is just giving a balanced view on different aspects of preserving life. On the question of whether Barack Obama is smart - simply making a statement does not make that statement true. Whether you agree with his positions or not, you have to admit that he graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School, and was a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. This is very strong evidence that he is alot smarter than you or I.

  • igh »
    Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    rlmategc, say that someone breaks into your home, you have wife and kids. You gona just roll over in bed and do nothing? Someone tries to jack your car with your kids in the back you gona just hand em the car keys?

    Your blowing smoke and so is anyone who rejects God given common sense.

    Now on Obama, he is the worst we could ever have in the White House, not just because of what he will vote for, but because he is not real smart, he has absolutely no wisdom.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    While abortion is an important issue, there are other issues related to preserving life which must be considered in evaluating a candidate. Barack Obama is a much stronger advocate of gun control than McCain/Palin who support the NRA. The ready access to handguns is partly responsible for the deaths of thousands of adults and young people each year. Those who refuse to support strong, comprehensive federal handgun control laws are contributing to ending thousands of lives as much as those who do not oppose abortion. We must put the lives of thousands of Americans ahead of selfish pleasure of gun owning or the false idea that private gun toting citizens are going to effectively prevent crime.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Obama is a a bold face lier. His suporters are swooned and buy into the lie and are unable to see and stand for truth,that he is a danger for America. Ive been thinking and praying on this and I think his suporters harbor unforgiveness because of slavery.Thereby creating the foot hold for the devil(saying black is th importan issue)). The sad truth is Obama has no connection with slavery in America.His roots was wealthy and owned slaves! Collective steps should be taken by the Christians to heal the old wounds. May God have mercy on us all.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    With much eloquence, smoothness, confidence, and steadiness, Obama lied through his teeth about his record on abortion.

    On Roe v. Wade, Sen. Obama defended his support for abortion-on-demand by equating the "right" to kill an unborn child with our First Amendment rights, saying that neither "should be subject to popular vote." In his response, Sen. McCain, who said he was "proudly pro-life," outlined how Obama had "align[ed] [himself] with the extreme aspect of the pro-abortion movement in America." He pointed to Obama's record in the Illinois State Senate, where, in the Judiciary Committee, he voted against a law "that would provide immediate medical attention to a child born of a failed abortion." McCain went on, "Then there was another bill... in the state of Illinois... where [Obama] voted against a ban on partial-birth abortion... [They were] clear-cut votes... in direct contradiction to the feelings and views of mainstream America."

    Obama claimed that he would never vote to withhold protection from an infant. However, records from the Illinois State Senate show that he did exactly that-not once but four times. He also said that at the time a law similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act was already on the books. Also false. According to Jill Stanek, the pro-life nurse who blew the whistle on this neglect, there was no such thing as across-the-board protection for infants who survive an abortion. Instead, the law protected only those "survivors their abortionist deems fit to live."

    What's more, Sen. Obama said last night that he is "completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there's an exception for the mother's health." That statement ignores the fact that the Supreme Court has defined "health" in the abortion context to include such factors as "psychological" and "financial" well-being, that is, just about anything. For more on Obama's abortion views, check out Professor Robby George's latest editorial at www.thepublicdiscourse.com.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    No hypocrites

    Yes McCain does believe in marriage and life but, apparently not marriage for life to just one woman. And he sure is pro-life, except when it came time to confirm Justice Breyer who was openly pro-abortion and was the swing vote on Roe , then he was pro-choice and pro-reelection. Also neither candidate seems to be pro-life when it comes to the 100 million poor people around the world who will die of poverty this year while we have an obesity problem (where is their Bailout Package?) and, when Jesus was asked what it actually means to “love you neighbor as yourself” he told the story of the Good Samaritan, a man who paid the medical bills of a stranger, but none of them seems very pro-life when it comes to health care, in fact they seem downright pro-choice (after all it’s not the government’s job) when it comes to the wounded strangers (right down to rape kits). I’m sure that matters to all of you because surely none of you are the sort of hypocrites that Jesus decried, who make long prayers in the marketplace and then throw widow’s and orphans out in the street. I’m sure you are really pro-life like me and not REALLY just pro-Republican, (you tell half the truth to help a candidate and you answer for it on Judgment Day, according to Jesus)

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, you're right the woman does make the final decision, hopefully she'll be given all the best information to include an ultrasound before she makes that all too important decision.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:02 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    I regret that candidates must "fudge" on issues in order to be elected. We all know that deep down Obama supports a woman's right to choose (and couple's rights to choose spouses, too, for that matter). The fact is, in this country right now, a presidential candidate cannot be forthright in these views without alienating a dwindling but crucial portion of the electorate. McCain is an old-style Repubican, too. He agrees with Barbara Bush when she told her husband, "Never mention abortion from the campaign platform. It is none of your business." (I should not really put quotes when I am not certain of the exact wording, but this was the idea of Mrs. Bush's remark.) I hope abortion never touches my family. But if it does, only the mother carrying that child can make the final decision.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:21 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Christians, we cannot vote for Obama. McCain - Palin are pro-life and for marriage, like Jesus!

    Interesting article exposing Obama as a wolf in sheep's clothing: http://www.earnedmedia.org/pda1015.htm

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:03 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    If Obama actually gets 10% of his programs put into place it will cost more money than all the 'rich people' have! If he gets 20% of his programs put into place he will be forced to tax those who make under $250,000 in order to pay for it.

    The only other option is to sell 'interest' in our country to forign 'powers'. You think the middle east owns us now!!!

    We won't even talk about FOCA...you think God has turned away from us now. At least He still listens to our prayers.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So...BELIEVERS...have you awakened from your slumber yet, those of you who want Barack Hussein Obama as your leader (or is it King?)

    He is a proponent of the culture of DEATH, and as this article shows, he is not telling the truth. What do you call someone who does not tell the truth? Well...duh...how about...LIAR?

    We don't want a Liar for a President do we? Barack Hussein Obama is not telling the truth about many things, and he is unfit for this position, as well as unfit to be Senator.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Christians, we need to pray for and vote for McCain - Palin. They are pro-life and for tradional marriage!

    No way I could vote for Obama.

    - Obama wants to ruin families by spreading gay marriage

    - Obama does not care for children as he votes to kill babies born alive and cut and suck the brains out of late term babies.

    These are gross things. Inhumane!

    I do not see how Obama could be a decent person.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Mr. Obama, the best way wo limit abortions is to make them ILLEGAL. Just like rape, murder, theft, arson, anything that harms people is ILLEGAL.

  • DRJ »
    Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:07 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    I'm sure that anyone who claims to have been a Christian for more than a few years knows God's attitude toward nations who practice infant sacrifice as a worship ritual. God instructed His people to refrain from the practice of the nations around them who sacrificed infants to their gods. How does the practice of abortion in America today relate to the ancient sacrifice of infants to the gods of ancient times? Abortion is the sacrifice of a life for any number of gods. The most popular god is named CONVENIENCE. People can kill their unborn infants to avoid the PROBLEMS associated with rearing a child. So how is that worshipping a god? THe real god abortionists are worshipping is Satan. THose who practice the immorality of pre-marital and extra-marital sex have celebrated their god, Satan. The child that is conceived in the act, however, is not a child of Satan's, but rather, a child of God who is the creator of all living souls. THe sin of worshipping Satan is compounded exponentially by murdering that child of God as though the soul of that precious being had no value whatsoever! THe Commandment still stands..."You shall not murder." THere have been no revisions or substitutions, in fact, the Psalmist wrote, (paraphrased)"all material things will fade away, but God's Word remains forever." Life, regardless of the circumstances by which it occurred, comes from God for His own glory! Failure to understand that truth simply points out a mind that has not conformed to the mind of Christ and, therefore, does not know Him at all. Pray that the God of infinite mercy will hear the prayers of the faithful and send national revival based on His eternal Word. Pray and seek His face...America, turn from your wicked ways and recommit your children to the author of life for His glory.

  • Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    IF Mr. Obama is elected and follows through on the FOCA measure...then may God have mercy on him and this nation.

Please help us to monitor our message boards by flagging comments that are unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable.
Contact Us if you have any questions, comments, or concerns.
Comment on this story
ID Password

Don't have a Christian Post ID? Signing up is easy. Click Here

  • icon1
  • icon2
  • icon3
  • icon4
  • icon5
The Christian Post reserves the right to terminate the account of any User who violates our Terms of Use.
Advertisement
Advertisement
CP Shopping
  • Jewelry
  • Health
  • Gifts
  • Music
  • Coins

Bracelets | Chains | Crosses | Earrings | Gemstone |

Featured contents & Giveaways
Joolwe :
Cross-pendant necklace
Zondervan

Struggling to succeed in the Nashville music scene, talented singer/songwriter Parker James finds the competition fierce even deadly. A young woman's murder, industry corruption, a

Featured Advertiser Links