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World|Fri, Oct. 17 2008 02:21 PM EDT

Orthodox Churches Commit to Overcoming Internal Division

By Ethan Cole|Christian Post Reporter

Leaders of major Orthodox branches have recommitted themselves to overcoming internal conflicts, a unity effort that one leader says will have an impact on the global Christian church.

  • (Photo: D. Panagos)
    Orthodox Christian leaders gathered at the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul, Turkey to recommit themselves to overcoming internal division from October 10-12, 2008.

Patriarchs, primates and representatives of all the Patriarchal and Autochephalous Orthodox Churches gathered at the Phanar, or the see of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople, on Oct. 10-12 in Istanbul, Turkey, to affirm their desire to transcend divisions due to nationalism, ethnicity, and ideological extremism, according to the World Council of Churches.

In addition to overcoming intra-Orthodox conflicts, they also stated their desire to hold theological dialogues with other Christians, as well as participate in interreligious dialogues, especially with Judaism and Islam.

"This has been an extremely important event in the life of the Orthodox church," said WCC deputy general secretary Georges Lemopoulos.

"The message, calling mainly for inter-orthodox unity and collaboration, and spelling out an 'Orthodox agenda' as a witness to the world, has a significant ecumenical dimension and will certainly impact the work of the ecumenical movement," added Lemopoulos, an Orthodox layman from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

There are 250 million Orthodox Christians in the world.

The 14 Orthodox leaders gathered in Istanbul agreed to the proposal by the Ecumenical Patriarchate to convene Pan-Orthodox Consultations within the coming year to address jurisdictional and other issues that have “arisen from historical circumstances and pastoral requirements.”

Orthodox leaders also discussed the financial crisis, blaming it on “manic profiteering” and “corrupt financial activity,” and the conflict between Georgia and Russia over the breakaway South Ossetia region.

The religious leaders praised both countries’ Orthodox churches for “their fraternal cooperation” and hoped that their “efforts will contribute to overcoming the tragic consequences of military operations and [to] the swift reconcilement of the peoples.”

At the end of three-day event, the leaders signed a message of agreement based on the issues discussed during the gathering. It was signed by the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople and the Patriarchs of Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem and Moscow, the primates of the churches of Cyprus, Greece, Poland, Albania, and the Czech Lands and Slovakia, as well as representatives of the churches of Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria and Georgia.

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  • Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    There's no doubt that johndk7 is correct. I did some research on this not too long ago and wrote a summary (there are some links there also). http://wbmoore.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-split-between-roman-catholic-and-orthodox-churches/

  • Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It is refreshing to hear from someone from the Orthodox Church sharing his thoughts on church history, ecumenism, and their relationship with Catholicism; both past and present. We here on the CP have read posts about the Orthodox view coming from only Catholic bloggers and not from the members of the Orthodox church themselves; having another perspective is stimulating.

  • Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    j7, thanks for your bold and informing posts, being relatively ignorant with regards to the history of the orthodox church I found them very informing and truly an eye-opener with regards to your historical relationship to the western church and more specifically the differences you have had with the catholic church.

  • Sat Oct 18, 2008 5:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Igh,

    These ARE facts. Like I told Tamna, I am telling you READ UP! We do love Catholics. We love everybody!!!

    ALL OF YOU: QUIT MAKING ASUMPTIONS THAT WE DON’T LOVE CATHOLICS!; AND QUIT MAKING ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE DON’T STRIVE FOR UNITY BECAUSE WE DO!; And before we approach a dialogue like this, let’s make sure we have our facts straight, PLEASE, or at least be sensitive to those who choose to ACKNOWLEDE the facts especially since these are parts of our Church history and are taught and even emphasized in Church liturgy.

    Instead of questioning or trivializing these issues, why not ask questions like Igh did:

    “Do you know what happens to those who were conquered by the muslims? Were they Mudered? tortured? Raped? Enslaved? Don't you find this an issue that should be dealt with?”

    Yes, AND MUCH MORE!

  • Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Tamna,

    I agree that many do console themselves with things that happened in the past and conveniently use it for their own ends; however, history is a sobering reality that has left its mark upon those who have suffered, it can be difficult for some to forget. This becomes an issue of trust; in our own lives I am sure that there are certain individuals whom we would hesitate to re-associate with due to past experiences. For me personally, there are theological differences that are insurmountable unless someone is willing to compromise. Unfortunately, the only ones who I see compromising are liberal Protestants. Anyways, I thought a reply was necessary.

    Peace

  • igh »
    Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:57 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johndk7 said:

    "- The sac of Constantinople in 1204 by our own �Christian brothers� the CRUSADERS along with the VENETIANS who did HORRIBLE things to us Greeks for over 50 years!!!

    - When we, the East, asked the West for help against the Turks in 1450 they said that they would if we became CATHOLICS and renounced our �heresies.� Of course we didn�t and the Catholics left us to the Muslim Turks who invaded us in 1453 and for 400 YEARS ALONG WITH THE ARMENAINS WE WERE SUBJECT TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


    Assume for a moment that what johndk7 is historically correct, i need to run a search yet to find out. But assuming he is, tamna when would you find it something to be dealt with? If it happened 300 years ago? 100? 50? last year?

    What happened to Love our neighbors as ourselves? Wouldn't the west ask the east for help if the situation was reversed? Would the east make demands they convert or no help?
    If we are to Love our Neighbor as ourselves then was it a sin for the west not to help?

    Do you know what happens to those who were conquered by the muslims? Were they Mudered? tortured? Raped? Enslaved? Don't you find this an issue that should be dealt with?

  • Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Online:
    I do agree somewhat with what you mentioned. However, what happened in the distant past is too often used as a convenient excuse to not engage at all with others. Other times it is a convenient excuse used by some to rebuff overtures made. Yes, there are theological differences. They can be discussed by people from both churches with guidance from the Holy Spirit. However, far too often the chance to even discuss and seek common ground is marred by people who seek solace and are comfortable bathing in the wrongs of distant history. They seem to love to dredge up past injustices regardless of who did what to whom when and why. When I read "Johndk's" comments all I could think was "They can't even discuss the important issues of theology and shared beliefs because of what happened in the 15th Century? Really? That is what is important? The 15th Century?"

    Take care.
    PAX

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Tamna,

    The (things) that happened 500 plus years ago have not be resolved; the core issue is theological in nature. There is a vast difference between what Catholicism and Protestantism teaches; some of our objections seem to mirror johndk7s concerns; He speaking from an Orthodox position. I do not want to begin a fresh debate here; there is one already taking place on another thread. My point; all of us simply cannot gloss over the issues.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    johndk7:

    Please refrain from using the Caps Lock on your keyboard so much. It is is really distracting and takes away from what you are trying to say.

    My view is that there will be no unity until certain factions within each Church stop obsessing about things that happened 500+ years ago and look towards the future instead of the past.

    "msnchris70" was celebrating the happenings in the Orthodox Church - in other words I'm sure he agrees with you. I'm sure he also agrees with you about a desire for the eventual reunification of the East and the West. He recognizes, along with you, that there will be a lot of work to do before this happens, but it is important work, wouldn't you agree? You seem to agree with a lot of what msnchris70 thinks. So why are you jumping all over his comments? I also don't know if the seal of approval from "most Protestants"(?) is something to put on a flag and wave around if you are indeed an Orthodox Catholic. You might want to research what "most Protestants" have to say about Orthodox Catholics before celebrating a Protestant seal of approval. I think you might be a tad bit disappointed.

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Well Mr. msnchris70, WE will have unity with Catholic until the Vatican and Catholics humbles themselves, confesses and REPENTS of the following, which have and ALWAYS will be our terms:

    - Papalism! One of the BIGGEST heresies of all time. Protestants agree.

    - The ADULTERATING FILIOQUE which was inserted into THE HOLY SYBOL OF FAITH by THE WEST HUNDREDS OF YEARS after it was agree upon in the 2nd Ecumenical Council by both The East and The West.

    - Arianism, which crept into the West AGAIN in the 7th Century after it was condemned in the FIRST ECUMENCIAL COUNCIL in 325 (read the refutations of the DAVINI CODE,..this is HUGE!)

    - The sac of Constantinople in 1204 by our own “Christian brothers” the CRUSADERS along with the VENETIANS who did HORRIBLE things to us Greeks for over 50 years!!!

    - When we, the East, asked the West for help against the Turks in 1450 they said that they would if we became CATHOLICS and renounced our “heresies.” Of course we didn’t and the Catholics left us to the Muslim Turks who invaded us in 1453 and for 400 YEARS ALONG WITH THE ARMENAINS WE WERE SUBJECT TO THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    - VATICAN1, 2!!!

    - WE OTHODOX ARE UNITED ON ALL MATTERS OF CHURH DOCTRINE, THE HOLY CANONS, ETC…IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE NEVER DISAGREED ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MATTER. THE ISSUES THAT ARE STATED IN THIS ARTICLE ARE SECONDARY-SOME EVEN TRIVIAL-AND ARE PRESENTLY BEING SOLVED SO PLEASE DO NOT MISLEAD PEOPLE READING THE CHRISTIAN POST. THE ISSUES I MEANTIONED ABOVE BETWEEN THE EAST AND WEST ARE LONG-STANDING AND COMMON KNOWLEDGE AMONG ALL CHRISTIAND WORLDWIDE; THEY ARE ALSO TAUGHT IN SEMMINARIES EVERYWHERE, AND MOST PROTESTANTS AGREE WITH US.

    - WE LOVE CATHOLICS, BUT WE CANNOT HAVE UNITY UNTIL THESE ARE DELT WITH!

  • Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:59 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    This is fantastic news. Praise be Jesus Christ and this Holy And Apostolic Church. This has been an issue between full unity between Catholics and Orthodox. Now that they are committing to their own unity, this will bear much fruit as the Orthodox Apostolic Churches come together in the future towards fully unity with the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. We seek unity, especially with the Orthodox.

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