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Society|Wed, Oct. 22 2008 05:19 PM EDT

Support for Calif. Marriage Amendment Heats Up

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

Supporters of California's Proposition 8 have stepped up their campaign to pass a marriage amendment with two weeks left before Election Day.

On Monday, the "Yes on 8" campaign unleashed a double-hitter in the fight to protect marriage when it launched a new TV ad and a statewide bus tour promoting the measure.

Robb and Robin Wirthlin, the parents from Massachusetts who filed suit over a gay-themed children storybook taught to their second-grade son, participated in a press conference announcing the bus tour, which kicked off in Sacramento and will make its way down California.

The Wirthlins also appear in the third and latest TV installment by the "Yes on 8" campaign, telling viewers that soon after Massachusetts legalized gay marriage a book about two gay princes who marry each other found its way into their son's elementary school classroom. The ad warns Californians that gay marriage will also be taught in elementary schools unless Prop. 8 is approved.

If approved, Prop. 8 would amend the California Constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman and reverse the California Supreme Court decision in May allowing same-sex marriages.

Recent polls show support for Prop. 8 in the lead.

A SurveyUSA poll released Friday indicated that if a vote were taken that day, the ballot initiative to define marriage as between one man and one woman would win 48 to 45.

A different poll conducted for the Knights of Columbus also found 52 percent of voters in favor of the measure compared to 43 percent opposed.

But supporters of traditional marriage aren't taking any chances, especially with the stakes so high.

"To redefine marriage has an impact at every level of society, especially at the youngest level of society - our children," said Robb in an online interview.

"Same sex marriage will be taught in public schools if Prop. 8 does not pass," Yes on 8 campaign manager Frank Schubert commented.

Skeptics of the real impact of legalized gay marriage on children education only need to look to a recent incident, say traditional marriage supporters. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, a group of first-graders, aged five and six, were taken on a field trip to City Hall last week for the wedding of their teacher and her lesbian partner.

At the frontlines of the campaign to preserve traditional marriage, conservative Christians have tapped into church networks to push the measure's passage.

On Sunday, more than 200 church congregations in California joined a Protect Marriage rally through simulcast.

In Cupertino, Calif., a sea of 4,000 Chinese Christians from about 100 churches across the San Francisco Bay Area rallied in support of Prop. 8 on Sunday. Three other Asian-American Christian gatherings were held in Los Angeles and San Diego that same day. Participants at the rallies wore red T-shirts, many reading "Marriage 1 Man 1 Woman" or "Protect Marriage."

Hundreds of churches across the nation are also participating in a 40-day fast as they pray for the California marriage amendment and the Elections. The fast will culminate in a massive prayer rally called TheCall California on Nov. 1, when a crowd of 100,000 Christian youth is expected to petition God for a spiritual awakening from the Qualcomm Stadium in San Diego.

Asian-American Christians are not the only minority group voicing their support for the measure. On Tuesday, dozens of African-American ministers gathered at Crenshaw Christian Center in Los Angeles to back the ballot initiative.

Dr. Frederick K.C. Price, who leads the 22,000-member Crenshaw Christian Center, urged his audience to "stand with God in saying the definition of marriage must not change," the Los Angeles Times reported.

Both sides of the debate have shored up large sums in their campaigns. The "Yes on 8" campaign has raised $25.4 million as of last week, while opponents have collected $15.8 million, according to the Christian Science Monitor.

The campaign opposing Prop. 8 has also reported large-sum donations from Hollywood actor Brad Pitt and lesbian talk show host Ellen DeGeneres, who has funded her own ads against the measure.

During an appearance Monday on the "Ellen" show, Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said he would vote against Prop. 8 if he were in California.

The "Yes on 8" campaign says it has relied a lot on grassroots support although it has received large-sum donations from groups like Focus on the Family, an organization run by evangelical leader Dr. James Dobson.

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  • Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I was listening to Living on the Edge (www.lote.org). There is a book available for free called "Sex 180" which goes into detail about the statistics surrounding any type of relationship other than one man, one woman.

    No matter if heterosexual or homosexual, the stats are stagering concerning the effect on health and lifespan. In fact, homosexuality (by the numbers) can cut 40 years off one's life! The data is available there. It is scientific in nature."



    rah.....rah narth!

    any distorted statistic to support a belief. yet statistics that have no support from any credible scientific instution.

    why dont you also include your understanding of how man walked with the dinosaurs.

    the book never tests its own premises, but only postulates them.

    its like 1 thessalonians 5;20 and other scriptures that talk about testing dont exist.

    one who seeks the truth, rather position, welcomes testing of all kinds, rather than denying or ignoring it.

  • Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Teaching children that some kids have 2 moms or 2 dads does not equate to sex education about how gays get down (and I don't think you were saying that) but unfortunately many people believe that's what it would come down to.

  • Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I guess I'll dive into this fray again. Not that it will do much good but just as Christians see it as their divine mission to bring religion to the masses I'd like to bring insight to a group that is very narrowly focused in its worldview.

    For starters, I would like to throw out that I will be supporting McCain in the coming election, so as not to be immediately lambasted as a bleeding heart liberal. That being said, I am a Republican based upon the economic policies rather than the social ones, which I often feel are too permeated with influence from the "moral majority."

    I'm seeing a lot of comments regarding public school education and the acknowledgment of the existence of gay couples therein. Many of you have asserted that it is harming children to expose them to these concepts. And depending on how the matter is handled I might agree with you. There's no reason to explain the sexual intricacies of gay sex to kindergarten-ers PERIOD. Then again, there's no reason to explain the sexual intricacies of heterosexual sex to those children either. On the other hand, I don't experience the same degree of outrage over having a story with 2 dads or 2 moms. The fact of the matter is that in a public school there will likely be at least one child being raised by a same sex couple. My girlfriend is a preschool teacher and has several students from such families. To create a blanket prohibition on describing such family units would ostracize these children and negatively impact them among their peers. Here you have a child who had no choice in who his or her parents are being in essence told that his or her family is sinful and not to be recognized. Worse, without building understanding and tolerance on the part of that child's peers you're inevitably setting him or her up to be the target of abuse and harassment from the rest of the class who have been "enlightened" by their parents as to the evils of homosexuality.

    If you don't like public school and its curriculum then send your kids to a parochial school where they can learn the bible along with their abc's. Just as the Muslims have no right to come into the US and force everyone to be under Sharia law, there's very little justification, in my opinion, for Christians to refashion the public education system to adhere to their own worldview to the exclusion of other tax paying citizens. Certainly there will be limits (no teaching satanism, and other inane slippery slope arguments you'll undoubtedly throw out) but the goal should be for broad inclusion with the parents taking the lead in instilling values.

  • Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think there is a pretty clear distinction between parents of the same sex and parents who are drug abusers and alcoholics. If you can't make that distinction, than I wonder where your moral compass is.

  • Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "The reality is, there are gay couples, and children at those schools have same sex parents"

    The reality is there are children with parents who are drug abuses, drunks and do all kinds of things with their children. This doesn't mean we are going to teach tolerance of those things we find morally wrong.

  • Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Buc, what is being taught is not "indoctrination" as so many have called it. The reality is, there are gay couples, and children at those schools have same sex parents, and in a public school they have the right to feel represented, just as children of divorced parents or single parents do in children's literature. I'm not sure how anyone with a conscience could vote for McCain, since he clearly has no intention of fixing our education system, which i think is a much more important issue in this election (he wants to throw more vouchers into public schools, vouchers do not get to the root of the problem!)

  • Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS would I have thought this country could EVER sink so low!"

    Don't be amazed and astounded...the worst is yet to come.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:54 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Biden going on Ellen and proclaiming that if he could, he would vote against "Proposition 8." To me, that speaks VOLUMNS! How could ANYONE with a conscience vote for Obama and his sidekick? I have said it once, and I'll say it again, NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS would I have thought this country could EVER sink so low! I just cannot WRAP MY BRAIN around the fact that little ones are being taught that it's OK for one man to marry another. Isn't there a passage in the bible that states that if you hurt one of His little ones,that it be better to have a millstone strapped around your neck and be thrown into the sea?

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "displays such an archaic, sexist mindset on your part that I have no doubt you could never understand "

    I was listening to Living on the Edge (www.lote.org). There is a book available for free called "Sex 180" which goes into detail about the statistics surrounding any type of relationship other than one man, one woman.

    No matter if heterosexual or homosexual, the stats are stagering concerning the effect on health and lifespan. In fact, homosexuality (by the numbers) can cut 40 years off one's life! The data is available there. It is scientific in nature.

    It's quite a good book about the fact that people who don't save themselves for Biblical marriage have a far lower satisfaction level then those who go their own way.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    msnchris70: I appreciate your consignment, but I am not for McCain/Palin. I am a constitutionalist and will be supporting Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. Although McCain is a better choice than Obama, he is still too much of what we have had in the last 75 years. Other than some differences on moral and tax issues, the Republican party, in my view, is very similar to the Democrat party. They are both controlled by corporate power and money. That's what happens when you have big government. It's the greed that Chicago referred to.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    First, just for the record, the word warmonger means a person or agency that advocates war or TRIES to bring about war. The U.S. doesn't roam around picking fights with other countries. That's stupid and history shows that we are not warmongers.
    Second, we should pray for the people of California that prop. 8 passes. I was surprised to see the statement that biden said he would vote against prop. 8. I thought I heard him say that he was against same sex marraige.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Amen Elbib,

    McCain/Palin is the answer! Pro-life, pro-small business and pro-capitalism.

    Stop the Marxist regime of Obama! God is more powerful than what the polls say.

    Vote Yes on Prop. 8!

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As far as greed goes, let quote what Scottish historian Alexander Frasier Tyler said back in the 1700's.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
    The average age of the world's greatest civiliazations has been 200 years. These nations have progrssed through this sequence. From bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance, from abundance to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back to bondage."

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Chicago: I stated that, because it is the topic being discussed. You're right. Homosexuality is only one aspect and it's not so much the fact that I was referring to the minority who engage in it as much as all those who don't, will condone it. It is indicative of societies manifold godlessness, including warmongering, greed, adultery and other sexually immoral practises, abortion, and deceptions. All these were seen in the Roman Empire before its fall.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Elbib: If the demise of our country is going to occur, it will surely be over its insatiable greed and warmongering cloaked as "patriotism."

    I seriously doubt that a tiny percentage of a small percentage of the population getting married will be its downfall.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    For Californians to vote this proposition down would not surprise me in the least. It is just indicative of the degredation of our American society. Without the Lord's intervention, it will eventually lead to the demise of our country, as has happened to so many other empires before us. It will be up to the Lord and His people. "If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then, I will hear from heaven and heal their land."

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    A recent poll indicates that California voters are against Proposition 8 (52 to 44 percent).
    So, you can all rest assured that our friend, Michael O'Brien and his girlfriend will be tying the knot and no longer "shacking up" after November 4th.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    MichaelObrien,

    With a name like that, your parents at least might have been Catholic since you are probably IRISH. It disgusts me when I hear things like you said. All Catholics must vote agaist Prop 8. It is sad how you have left the faith to create your own set of laws to live by making yourself your own god.

    So, you like shacking up, eh? This is immoral and a grave sin. In fact, most people who shack up don't go to church that often or read the WORD. Why? Well, because the WORD of God is so clear about sex outside of marriage. It says it is a sin and sins of the flesh are much more severe to a persons soul.

    From a Catholic standpoint, if you persist in this fornication outside the covenant of marriage then you may not be saved. You are partaking in a Mortal sin, and without true repentance you will not be saved. Only God knows your heart, and if you die while still persisting in this grave sin with no remorse you will not be saved.

    God doesn't reject you, it is you who reject God! You reject his commandments and His love.

    Repent of your sins by your words and your actions, make Jesus Christ the Lord of your life and be in HIS will and then you will be saved. Having faith in Christ means accepting everything He said, and your heart MUST BE transformed to live for Christ. This doesn't mean you will do everthing perfect, but it does mean your heart will be for Christ and you will walk uprightly with the Lord.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:28 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    We Catholics with our Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ will pass Prop 8! We stand shoulder to shoulder for the Glory of God and to protect the sanctity and definition of TRUE Marriage.

    Vote Yes on Prop. 8!
    McCain/Palin '08

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:36 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "you act as if shacking up is a new phenomena in our culture, it's nothing but the same old sin with a new excuse..."

    I believe the Samaritan woman Jesus met at the well was "shacking up" after having failed 5 times at marriage. There's nothing new under the sun.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, I don't know about sexist, but shacking up is one of the most self-centered approaches to relationships out there, if it doesn't suit me I can bail out at any time regardless of the damage I've done along the way and then add children to the equation and it get's even messier, but who cares since it's all about "ME" in the first place.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, you act as if shacking up is a new phenomena in our culture, it's nothing but the same old sin with a new excuse. Mankind will do anything to avoid the responsibility for the decisions they make and shacking up is one of the oldest one's out there.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin: It's not about believer evolving. He's just mocking your rediculous statements, because he is aware of your phony tactics. Anyone who stands upon the truth of God's Word will not evolve to sin such as yourself and our present culture. Those who change with the lie of the culture will persecute those who stand strong against it, even calling them names - archaic, homophobe, sexist, etc. It provides clarity of your group!

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    believer, the remark "maybe your one of those 'men' who believe why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free?" displays such an archaic, sexist mindset on your part that I have no doubt you could never understand where mjb is coming from. It's statement like that that display with such clarity how your group has failed to evolve. That does not worry me - but it is interesting.

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    mjb, does you girlfriend if you are the man in this "relationship" really buy into that hogwash that you won't marry her until they allow homosexuals to marry. Why don't you be a man and do the right thing and quit hiding behind this smokescreen or maybe your one of those "men" who believe why buy the cow when you're getting the milk for free?

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    elbib, I see the humanistic thought police are on the prowl, but I will check that book out, thanks believer

  • Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer: If you are able, you should acquire the book "It's Good For A Man Not To Touch A Woman, by Edward Ridenour. I think you would find it very interesting and enlightening to all issues concerning marriage.

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    And mike22685 agrees with em, surprise, surprise, surprise!

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    A couple living in sin already in the sight of God who are in favor of same sex couples getting married who'd a thunk it?

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    I agree with Michael and thank him for his support!

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    I'm with hlerwin. I'm part of a straight couple who has been together thirteen years, plans on having children soon, and plans on being together the rest of our lives. What we do not plan to do is get married, or at least not until gay couples can marry everywhere in the country. I would rather not sound high-and-mighty or holier-than-thou, but as recently as forty years ago there were states in which it was illegal for a black person to marry a white person, and I believe that in forty more years it will seem just as incredible and appalling that at one time the law prohibited gay people from marrying one another. I am hoping that voters in California will get on the right side of history.

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:57 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    You are so right hlerwin! It isn't going to be long and Christ will come and execute judgment toward those who's deeds, committed toward Him, are immoral and ungodly. His justice will be administered and He will reign. Praise the Lord!

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Keep your fingers in the dykes as long as you can, folks. You can't last forever. Remember Dr. King's words, "The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice."

  • Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:19 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    (Recent polls show support for Prop. 8 in the lead)

    Amen!

    YES on Proposition 8 (Prop 8) your rights

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-jc4ujp9Ok

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