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Ministries|Fri, Oct. 31 2008 07:34 PM EDT

Thousands to Pray, Fast Together for California Marriage Protection

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

Tens of thousands of people will gather Saturday at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium for twelve straight hours of intercessory prayer and fasting for the protection of traditional marriage in California and the nation.

“TheCall California” is expected to draw pro-family advocates from across the nation for prayer and worship from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., including notable figures such as Dr. James Dobson, founder and chairman of Focus on the Family. The gathering also concludes a 40-day fasting period for California that began September 24.

"It (TheCall California)’s a fast, not a festival,” exclaims TheCall Team.

“We are asking God for the release of undeserved mercy, a great spiritual awakening, and the shaking of political thrones of iniquity in California that have legalized evil,” they add.

“We will set aside our individual agendas, and with one collective voice cry out for another wave of revival in our land.”

The one-day gathering will take place just days before California voters head for the polls to cast their vote for or against a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, effectively banning gay marriage.

According to the latest Field Poll released Friday, opponents of the ban are ahead with a 49 percent to 45 percent edge, widening much closer gaps that were revealed in previous surveys on Proposition 8. In mid-September, the measure was losing by 17 points.

"In the minds of many people, Proposition 8 is the most important thing nationally on the ballot," commented Tony Perkins, president of the Washington-based Family Research Council, which supports the measure.

For many who back “Yes on 8,” that includes even the presidency.

"We have survived bad presidents. But many, many are convinced we will not survive this redefinition of marriage," Perkins explained to The Associated Press.

In the days leading up to Nov. 4, the battle over same-sex marriage has intensified, with Hollywood celebrities providing last-minute support to the “No on 8” campaign after weeks of criticism from opponents of Prop. 8.

As a result of the last-minute fundraising blitz in Hollywood, “No on 8” out-raised the “Yes on 8” campaign by a 9-1 margin over the past 2 weeks and took back the overall fundraising lead.

Supporters of “Yes on 8” have also intensified efforts. Though notably lacking the star power behind “No on 8,” “Yes on 8” has received strong backing at the grassroots, particularly among religious and social conservatives – both spiritually and financially.

“The campaign is a campaign of the people,” said “Yes on 8” spokeswoman Sonja Eddings Brown, who told AP that the campaign had not reached out to Hollywood.

“It's not intended to be dotted with celebrities," she added.

Since Sept. 24, hundreds of churches across the nation have been participating in a 40-day fast to rally support for the California marriage amendment and to ask God to send revival to a state that some say “is poised to lead the nation in a moral rebellion.” The fast initiative, known as Facedown 40, is being spearheaded by TheCall, a prayer movement of Christian youth that started during the 2004 elections.

Lou Engle, founder of TheCall, has been leading the 40-day fast from San Diego, where he has been visiting churches and asking them to join in support for Prop. 8. Continue »

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  • Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God Bless you, and thank you for your action and dedication Lou Engle on behalf of my children and the children of america that have no voice.

  • Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:11 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    homosexuality is a sin exodus, leviticus , deuteronomy talks about it . look it up. sexual intimacy is between a married man and woman. I don't have to add a period because God said it and that's imperative enough.

  • Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I'm not saying anything about gays. I'm saying that he, like presidential elects, speak so eloquently of a united country. So there's nothing special about his speech.

  • Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I disagree, Prophet. Obama is the first president-elect to include gay people in his acceptance speech. That part is clearly NOT regurgitated.

  • Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin,
    That sounds like a regurgitated acceptance speech. Every President elect talks about how we are united. Two years from now people are going to be complaining about Obama, and some of the things he's done. How's that for united...

  • Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, I'll believe that when II Timothy 3:16-17 is removed from the Word of God and until then it's all good for godly living.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    hlerwin, I would agree that homosexuality in itself is not necessarily a sin, but the sexual practices of it are since it requires participants to violate God's design for sexual intimacy which is reserved for the marriage bed of one man and one woman united as one in the sight of God through marriage.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Homosexuality is not a sin. Period.
    Not much room for discussion here, is there? "

    God never left 'much room for discussion' when he was explaining what is Godly and what is not. You either accept what He has said as written or you don't. You accept the consequences either way.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But both Mike and hl are wrong about homosexual sex not being a sin. The Bible is clear on it. You just refuse to accept what God has said about it.

    And that's fine. That is between you and God. But when you try to claim the Bible does not teach what it does in fact teach, people who love God and trust God and believe God will refute what you have to say with scripture.

    Isaiah 5:20Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

    Proverbs 28:4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law resist them.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Homosexuality is not a sin. Period."

    Wow! What version of the Bible do you use? The Hebrew calls homosexuality 'disgusting'. It sounds quite clear that God is not in favor of it. The bad news is God will let everyone know from His own mouth before the thrown after life is over. Period.


    "The priest had absolutely no idea about what I was dealing with, so I knew it was Jesus speaking through him to me."

    OK...so it was a man who spoke to you and not some supernatural 'God spoke to me' thing. What you wrote could be taken that way. Still, anything that contradics what is in the Bible is over-ruled by the Bible. This is what those of us who believe in absolutes hold to.

    Still, Jesus never contradicts the Bible.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    I already know you won't go there.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike22685, you lack knowledge and understanding.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    What does lust have to do with homosexuality? Homosexuality is a sin. Period. Whether you want to call it love or not, it's still a sin. And if you're going to keep using that weak argument, then don't complain when I use incest as my rebuttal.
    Using a condom during sex isn't an abomination. For those Catholics who support that belief, only offer Church doctine on such matters, without a single scripture to back it.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Star, your talking points are laughable at best. First off, you attempted to say that by the gay man adopting a child, the child "turned" gay. That simply does not happen...ever. The boy was gay, but not out, and living with a gay man gave him the courage to see that it is OK to be out. I was raised by 2 straight, Catholic parents who certainly never exposed me to anything that was a "how to" guide to being gay, and somehow I figured it out. It is not a choice we make, it is how we are born, and at a certain point we realize that life in the closet simply is no life at all.

    Gay parents make wonderful parents. My children will see the love we have for each other, and they will know that it is love which is the most important in a relationship. They will also have plenty of straight role models, so you can rest your little head and not worry about that. What a bunch of nonsense.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike22685, You say that you are saved. How did you obtain it? Thru infantile baptism and confirmation?

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:04 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike22685

    Homosexuals are poor role models for children. It is a sin against a child to raise them to know only how to act with another person of the same sex in ways that God calls an abomination. And that abomination includes more than just having gay sex. It also includes non-sexual intimacy like holding hands, passionate kissing, and etc.. What kind of role model do two men or two women provide for a child in term of what a heterosexual marriage should look like? All they see is that their two daddies or their two mommies act together like their friend's mommy and daddy do. How can that adopted child raised by two homosexuals know how to have a healthly relationship with the opposite sex and to have a healtly heterosexual marriage if and when he/she decides to get married? It is a sin against a child not to teach them their proper role in their relationships with people of the opposite sex and within a heterosexual marraige. It is also a sin to do something that will result in them adopting a sexual identity that is contary to the sexual identity they were born with. Their sex chromosomes determine their sexual identity. If a child has XX (XY) choromosomes then the child is female (male).


    There was a couple in my church who were foster parents. They had a 12 yr old heterosexual boy that they were foster parents to by the name of Joe. A single homosexual man adopted that boy. My friend said that when she saw him he was as gay as gay could be. About 6 yrs or so later that young man, now called Alex, called my friend to just talk. She said he was as gay as gay could be just like the man who adopted him. That boy was heterosexual before he went to live with that gay man and now he is homosexual. His life with that gay man turned him into a homosexual. That is a sin against that child. He was born heterosexual not homosexual. He was robbed of his sexual identity by that homosexual. That child deserved to be raised by a hetrosexual man who could model for him what God intended for a man to be. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

  • Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:12 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mike22685

    Sexual immorality includes all forms of sex that is engaged in outside of a marriage relationship between one man and one woman or is engaged in between a ligitmate hetrosexual marriage that does not or can not produce offspring.

    Sexual immorality would include sex between a man and a woman who are not married to one another, pre-martial sex, gay sex, pornography, masturbation, bestality, pedaphelia, incest, prostitution, oral sex, anal sex, and lust for someone who is not your hetrosexual spouse. There may be others but I can't think of them right now.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike22685 - I have already showed you from the Word of God what God's will is. Those scriptures apply to all believers. Why do you continue to reject the fact that you can know, in general, through the Word of God what God's will is?

    His specific will for your life, like where He wants you to go to Church, who He wants you to pray for, when He wants you to witness Christ to someone, what specific sins you need to repent from, what ministry He wants you to do, what ministries He wants you to give to, and etc, is something you can know through surrendering your will to His, spending time with Him in prayer and Bible reading, and etc.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Star, tell me: Is sex between a husband and wife using a condom also an abomination? When I read the Bible, the only verses I have found talked about lust as a type of sexual immorality, whereas my partner and I have love when we are having sex.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Mike22685

    Scripture is very clear that gay sex is an abomination (it matters not what type of relationship you have with your partner) and all who practice it shall not inherit the kingdom of God. There is nothing in the Word of God that gives support to gay relationships. The world says there is but there is not. This is one of those areas that you need to allow God to transform your thinking to conform to His.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    But my partner and I can bring so much good into the life of a child that you cannot even see because you have your life blinders on!

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The reason you have to adopt is because homosexuality isn't even normal nn nature itself. It's an anomaly, a defect.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Prophet, I never said I know God's will, I said I believe thats what his will is for me. You claimed to know it, very big difference. In terms of adoption, if I wasn't gay, I would probably be procreating. Since I can't with my male partner, but I am still in love, I know I can adopt a child and give them a loving, nurturing environment to grow up in which the foster care system simply cannot.

    DP, you can have religious experiences through the Eucharist, as the Catholic church believes it is the deepest form of worship you can have with Christ. A priest at a mission trip I was on was speaking about loss. My best friend had just moved across the country and I was afraid I would never see him again. The priest said "Jesus knows your heartache, he knows what it is like to miss those you love terribly, to fear you have lost them, come to him through the Eucharist." The priest had absolutely no idea about what I was dealing with, so I knew it was Jesus speaking through him to me.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "he has spoken to me personally before through the Eucharist"

    Exactly what kind of Catholic church do you go to? I've checked church doctrine (Catholic Encyclopedia online) and Jesus doesn't speak through the Eucharist. The Eucharist is the transformation of the sacriments into the flesh and blood of Jesus.

    Please explain.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And I also see by your post that you believe you had to be born gay in order for you to adopt. What's up with that? Being born gay has nothing to do with adopting....unless adopting is a genetic trait too.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I believe it is God's will that I was created gay so I can adopt children..."

    Wait...mike....are you the same guy who is adamant the we can't know the will of God?

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Star, in fact I have. I know Jesus, he has spoken to me personally before through the Eucharist, and I have deep faith in his teachings. I steer clear of sexual immorality, which is why I am committed to 1 partner for the rest of my life, whom I cherish and love with all my heart and would do anything to protect and help. I believe it is God's will that I was created gay so I can adopt children who need a home rather than create more. No one knows God's will in its entirety, and I think it is nothing short of arrogant to proclaim you do.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Mike22685

    In summary, the Word of God says that God's will is that you become saved, repent from sin, abstain from sexual immorality, submit to man's authority (boss, police, government), allow Jesus to free you from evil/sin, give thanks to God for everything you are experiencing, and let God transform your wordly thinking to conform to His.

    The first step in putting God's will first in your life is being saved. Have you been saved Mike22685?

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike22685

    The Word of God says a lot about what God's will is.

    Here are a few things that the Word of God tells us about God's will:

    (A) It is God's will that you repent - this would include salvation, repentence from the sins of the flesh like lying, stealing, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual immorality, malicious gossip, disrespect for authority , cursing, idolatry, and etc.

    2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

    (B) It is God's will that you abstain from fornication (sexual immorality)

    1 Thessalonians 4:3 - "For this is the WILL OF GOD, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:"

    (C)It is God's will that you submit to man's authority

    Ephesians 6:5-7
    5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

    6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the WILL OF GOD from the heart;

    7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:


    1 Peter 2:14-15

    14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

    15 For so is the WILL OF GOD, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

    (D) It may be God's will for you to suffer for doing what is right

    1 Peter 3:17 - "For it is better, if the WILL OF GOD be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing."

    (E) Everything you go thru is God's will

    1 Thessalonians 5:18 - "In every thing give thanks: for this is the WILL OF GOD in Christ Jesus concerning you."

    (F) It is God's will that Jesus deliver you from evil

    Galatians 1:4 - "Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the WILL OF GOD and our Father:"


    The Word of God says much about what God's will is. If you will let God change your worldly thinking to conform to His thinking then you will know what His good, acceptable, and perfect will is.

    Romans 12:2 - "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, WILL OF GOD."

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Scripture is clear that God's will is for everyone to trust Him through faith in Christ and for us to live a holy life.

    Following God's will is easy, if we surrender. Its hard if we hold on to our desires.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i never said I don't believe in the Bible, and you just assumed a whole bunch there. I most certainly believe God's will unfolds in everyone's lives, but I think even with the Bible, to say that we actually know God's will is foolish. In the Lord's prayer, we pray "Thy Will Be Done" and I take that as the most serious part of any prayer. I truly mean for God's will, not our own, to be done. God has a certain plan for each and every one of us, and to assume we know what that plan is just because we can regurgitate the Bible is foolish.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Anyone who says they don't know the will of God for their life has absolutely no relationship with Him, and knows absolutely nothing about the Bible.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, it's right there in the Bible. If you don't believe the Bible, then don't call yourself a Christian. I think it's sad that someone who professes faith in God, doesn't believe the Bible.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You and I are not to say what is

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So that's NOT the will of God?

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    We will go to a state where gay marriage is legal and have the ceremony there if not move there. Prophet, that idea is fine, but that does not mean you know the will of God. Do you understand how lofty a statement that is?

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    Yes, I know the will of God. It is that none should perish, and that all should come unto salvation and put off the sin that destroys our relationship with Him.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, so what will you and your partner do if same-sex marriage or unions are not approved to formalize your commitment to one another?

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    WB, that is NOT condemnation, but again, nice try. That is simply stating a fact, and no, Prophet most certainly has not presented answers. Believer and I have had dialogue, despite the fact that we disagree.

    That being said, Believer, a domestic partnership isn't about love as well, it is strictly about the legal benefits. As I have said, gay marriage or a civil union are about legal rights AND the love between 2 people. You need a witness to have a civil union or marriage, and those witnesses represent those who love you and witness your love and help it grow. I love my partner AND we deserve rights from our government. We deserve the legal recognition of a marriage in terms of the commitment it represents, and to try and nitpick that I don't need that is just being silly, because you know there are multiple reasons and straight couple enters into a marriage as well. It is about love, it is about becoming legal family, it is about the symbol of the bond for life. The fact that many couples divorce today does not change that marriage is still a symbol of commitment, and that symbol is a beautiful thing.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, civil marriage and domestic partnership are not the same thing, the latter is simply two people of the same or opposite sex sharing the same place of residence and the reasons for this partnership vary in many ways, it could be for economic reasons or security reasons and so on. But what it does not do is specifically condone a sexual lifestyle that is contrary to the Word of God. If people in a domestic partnership choose to engage in sex that is totally their business, but at the same time there are many if not most people in a domestic partnership where sex has nothing to do with the partenership.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "People who typically ask too many questions are people who have no answers themselves"

    that's condemnation.

    And believer and prophet and others have presented answers - you just do not like them.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    WB, nowhere did I condemn him asking questions, try again. Believer, there is no need to have a new term set up just because you disagree with the terminology. Regardless of what you call it, in essence, its a civil marriage. Religious marriage is one thing and I have said before that I would oppose any effort to make it illegal for a religion to refuse to marry a gay couple. Civil marriage is a civil right.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, so then it is all about rights and benefits, that being the case as I've suggested before, why not simply work toward getting domestic partnership laws strengthened in order to get those rights and benfits for all couples who are living together, many of which who are not involved sexually with the person they are living with. I personally would have no problem whatsoever supporting this initiative.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Iteresting that Mike condemns believer asking questions,
    when Jesus did exactly that.
    Luke 2:45-47

    45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers.

    Its real easy to know the will of God, when HE told us what it is in His word - the Bible.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, marriage isn't about love AND the benefits that come with it? I never said I need marriage to love my partner, but I do need marriage in order to get the legal protections we deserve as tax paying citizens of a democracy. Prophet, you can tell me what you interpret in the Bible, but you cannot tell me you know the will of God. That is dangerous, and I will not budge on that. Star, if that is true, is it still an abomination to eat shellfish or wear clothing of more than 1 material? He called it sin in the OT, so surely it must still be today.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685

    Hebrews 13:8 - "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."

    God has not changed. What God called sin in the OT He called sin in the NT and He still calls it sin today.

    If the Word of God was outdated then God would have not inspired the Apostle Paul to write the following to Timothy:

    2 Timothy 3:16-17

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    It is very dangerous for your soul or anyone else's to ignore what the Word of God says because it was written over 2,000 yrs ago.

    God is going to judge you by His Word Mike22685. Don't ignore it teachings.

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "How can certain denominational Church give its blessings to such abnormality"

    Not all who say on that day "Lord, Lord" shall enter into the kingdom of heaven....

  • Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Homosexuality is abnormal in behaviour, so how can one normalise an abnormal action. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. How can certain denominational Church give its blessings to such abnormality, no wonder there is fasting and prayer universally for the mighty power of God to be upon these church leaders who by their actions scandalise the yonger generations to come by such loathsome actions. Its time all right thinking people storm heaven with their intercessory prayers to stop such abominations in the sight of God.

  • Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No it's not. Especially when it's spelled out in the Bible. It's God's will that all are saved. Am I presumptuous? Am I placing myself as God? Nope. Just speaking what He's already spoken.

  • Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, please make up your mind is it about love or about rights and benefits? Plus, I didn't need to marry my wife to love her, we were in love long before we got married.

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