Bush Says Faith Sustained Him through Presidency

BooGieONdown »

Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

romans 13

ender »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

The reports released said Saddam had WMDs during the first Gulf War but got rid of them afterwards to keep from provoking another US military response. Yes, Saddam paid for his lies and more importantly for his crimes. But Bush only admitted a few mistakes and then only after they had become very obvious to the world. I stand by my statements and have not included many other mistakes such as the weakening of environmental laws, absolutley recklees disregard for our national deficit while constantly urging increased tax breaks for the wealthy. Why should anyone be getting a tax break while our deficit is continuing to spiral upwards?
I'm sure many Iraqis are grateful, but I'm sure the North Koreans (who do have atomic weapons) would be very grateful to be relieved of their dictator. Our troops should not be the world's or the UN's policemen. I merely am asking where is the evidence that Bush did his job or that his faith played a role in his tenure as president?

believer »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:05 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

mike, unfortunately politics makes not only for strange bedfellows but strange decisions as well and once again I don't believe Bush was a perfect President and that he did not make mistakes, but at the same time to call him and accuse him of some of the things I have seen on this and other sites is both totally uncalled for and wrong. And once again in most cases he has had the integrity and courage to acknowledge his mistakes.
ender, I for one do not believe Saddam never possessed WMDs but at the same time he's the one who claimed he did and as a result had to pay for his lies. Plus having pastored a church outside of Fort Drum and speaking to many of the soldiers who have been to Iraq, they all say the same thing with regards to the Iraqi people being grateful for us coming and getting rid of Saddam.

mike »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

to believer
if saddam was paying the terrorist, Bush elder & ronnie reagan took him off the terrorism list in the 80s when he was still an american employee. did you know that? and 911 was an attack on US soil. bin laden is still alive & well & I can't understand bush is not giving him the priority.

to Ender

amen brother. believer has blind belief with bush presidency. he could not distinguish bet. saddam & bin laden.

ender »

Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Documents captured by American troops and intelligence reveal that there were no WMDs. Its a dead issue. I still say I have seen no evidence of faith by this president. When America was attacked 7 years ago, we had world wide sympathy and outrage. Bush had an opportunity to build a world coalition to after terrorists and their organizations, but he squandered it by launching an ill advised war into the most politically volatile part of the world. He insisted that this was the country that the attack had originated from, demanded that we attack and that they had WMDs to launch further attacks. Anyone who disagreed was considered unpatriotic and soft on terrorism, and any country (France comes to mind) was belittled for refusing to join. He started this war with little consideration for how to handle Iraq after we defeated them. There was no interrum plan for a defeated Iraq and no exit plan to remove our troops.
Bush placed his hand on the Bible and swore an oath when he took office to defend our country against all enemies both foreign and domestic. I have seen no indication that has opened a Bible nor fulfilled his oath. He launched the most pervasive domestic spying program against citizens who merely disagreed with him, infringed upon our civil liberties with the Patriot Act, advocated torture, advocated holding people without trial indefinitely, implanted his people in the media to generate "appropriate" stories, used 9-11 as excuse to justify any action, and failed to secure our borders.
I believe that Christians were mislead, and many firmly wanted to believe that we had elected a Christian. I voted for McCain in 2000 and still believe that he could have handled the job far better than any other candidate that was running. Perfect trust can only be found in God, when we attempt to do so with man we will always be disappointed. I'm sure Obama's actions will closely monitored and questioned by Christians and non-Christians alike, we should be as diligent with all political leaders regardless of their party or political orientation.

believer »

Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:08 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

ar, at this point it hasn't been proven that the WMDs were moved because the countries they probably went to would never volunteer that information, but just prior to the invasion there is proof there were large transport movements from Iraq to Syria and some believe those movements were WMDs being moved to Syria. But it will be difficult to prove either side of this argument.

artm »

Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Hey philo777, You have the Dems talking points down to Science.

Someone said, the WMDs were removed the Invasion, has that been proven wrong.? Just asking. philo probally knows.

aritonang »

Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

What if it is the other way around.

Some lunatic crashed a 747 cargo full of avgas straight into the Masjidil Haram in Makkah, while the Muslims are still in their tawaf and fully packed the square

Let us see what happens next.

Can somebody visit Jeddah and say ; hey we are not Saudis and do not support the Wahhabi but can we learn to live side by side peacefully?

SqueakyWheel »

Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:10 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

Stop the persecution of Christians in Saudi Arabia!

Stop the anti-religious conversion bills in Iran!


Stop the anti-blasphemy laws that stifle freedom of speech and religion!

Stop the madness!

believer »

Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

blue, trust me know one is surprised to hear that from someone who supports those who not only condone but support those who murder unborn babies!

blue1018 »

Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:45 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

I can not wait until his 'legacy' destroys his family name.

believer »

Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

ender, no one is saying that Bush didn't make mistakes, but to call him a liar and fraud and even murderer as some have done on these sites is totally uncalled for. 9/11 was an event no President could have been prepared to respond to effectively without making some mistakes along the way and Bush has had the courage to both take risks and admit to the mistakes he has made. And I do agree much if not most of our success in our fight against terrorism is a result of the men and women serving our nation in the armed forces and we need to daily keep them as well as their families in our prayers along with our political leaders.

ender »

Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

At what point does a Christian advocate torture? The so called temporary infringements on constitutional rights of Americans with the Patriot Act (remember it was supposed to be a temporary measure to fill in the legal gaps that allowed the terrorist attack to occur) and yet 7 years later no one has taken the legal actions necessary. Bush preyed upon the fears of the public with 9-11 as a response to many questionable practices, but was affronted when the American public balked at selling our ports to the country that most of the terrorists originated. A president who advocated tax cuts on the sector of the public who can most easily afford them while compiling a national debt that will take generations to pay off. Yes he appointed two Supreme Court justices, but also tried to push Harriet Meirs as one.And Bush's defense of marriage? Merely lip service during election periods as means to galvanize conservative Christians.
No there has not been another foreign terrorists attack in America since 9-11, but does mean that there won't be another? Are our borders any more secure than they were 7 years ago? Our ports? Our railways? I do not fault Bush for 9-11, but neither do I credit him with the successes against terrorists organizations. I credit the men and women of our armed forces for doing the job they should have been allowed to do.
The WMDs, even Bush finally admitted that this report was an "error" and faulted our intelligence agencies for generating it ( even though numerous reports have shown that there was conflicting reports).
I wonder if I'll see the same level of unswerving support for the mistakes that Obama will make.

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

mike, so now your saying saddam was not responsible for paying the families of suicide bombers families in Israel?

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

mike, but don't you find it interesting that since 9/11 there hasn't been another terrorist attack on American soil and that's the result of the removal of Sadam as well as Osama being locked up in a cave somewhere now reportedly in Pakistan and the removal of some key Al Qaeda leaders to include some found in Iraq which is due in large part to the policies and actions of the Bush Administration.

mike »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

to believer
'and his financial support of terrorist groups to include those behind 9/11.'
osama is a saudi not iraqi, & he had his own construction business. you are linking saddam to 911. bush's allies, the rich bin laden family can finance osama.
saddam is a greedy dictator. he is not want to share his ill gotten wealth or his power with another person like osama.

Forgivensinner »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Grateful and blessed small business owner, here.

mike »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

to believer
they why did bush always talk about 911, terrorism then link saddam to osama. go after osama not saddam. FACT not talking points

then if WMDs are the basis for the invasion, then bush want to fight a conventional war than defeating terrorism & focusing on osama. osama is in afghaistan not in iraq. FACT not talking point

GOP always invoke 911 911 but they do not want to focus on osama - the mastermind of 911. WMDs are just another talking point in order to distract the people from the real threat which is osama, taliban, al queda. talking points are not facts, they are just that TALKING POINTS.

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

chris, plus a lot of people forget that when he addressed the nation right after 9/11 and declared war on terrorism he strongly warned us that this would be a long struggle and we need as a nation to be committed to this war for the long haul. As for Iraq I really believe the problem was he waited too long which gave Sadam time to move the WMDs and I'm not sure not only he but many Americans understand the resolve of people in the Middle or Far East when it comes to their commitment to a cause.

msnchris70 »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Bush failed us on Iraq by having incompetant people on the ground, but he did great by all of us by nominating two conservative Catholic pro-life, pro-traditional marriage to the Supreme Court. I will not be surprised if President Bush doesn't become Catholic shortly after leaving office like Prime Minister Blair.

President Bush had more Catholics on his staff, than Notre Dame football has on the field. He is a good man with a good heart who had to deal with a very difficult period in our US History. Yes, he should have just invaded Afganistan and left Iraq alone but hindsight is always 20/20.

What I love about President Bush is His love of Christ and His Word. Having met him and had lunch with him, I know that this President Bush opens the Word everyday and prays with the Scriptures.

He firmly loves Jesus and has tried to do his best during his presidency. Was it a great presidency? No. I don't think anyone would have done a better job though.

msnchris70 »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:55 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

The Bush tax cuts benefitted everyone. I always laugh when people who have no clue about economics say that only the Wealthy got tax breaks. What ignorance! Typical Democrat.

I firmly believe that we should make everyone pay taxes in the first place. 40 Million people right now in the US do not pay any Fed. Income tax and they SHOULD. I think anyone making over 100K should have their taxes lowered, and those over 200K even more and those making more than 300, 400, and so should all get even more tax breaks. This way the wealthy will spend and invest, which creates a lot more jobs since demand is high. It also creates more jobs across a large spectrum. We do not need to raise minimum wage, because if we do then more people will be out of work. A company that can today afford two people can only afford one if the minimum wage is increased.

Democrats have always had a minimum wage mind set, while Republicans have always had a maximum return on output mind set. Democrats want to help you get a job, Republicans want to help you to start a company and create jobs. Democrats want you to depend on the government for your well being, while Republicans want to ecourage people by creating policies and tax incentives for people to take care of themselves.

We should change our entire tax system, so that the more you make the more you keep. Today's tax system is unfairly put on the shoulders of the wealthy. If you want a really productive USA, then make a tax policy that is focused on more production. The more money you make the less tax you will have to pay. Commission employees are always more productive than salary employees, so can you imagine how much more successful the US would be if our tax system was similar?

Democrats love it when you expect the least out of life and look for the government to help you and get a hand out, while Republicans want you to set a higher bar for yourself and by doing so others will benefit.

A poor person has never created a job for anyone else.

If any of you do not get this, then it is obvious you have never owned or started your own company.

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

mike, the US led invasion was not a result of anyone believing Sadam ordered 9/11 only the issue of WMDs and his financial support of terrorist groups to include those behind 9/11.

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

jhs, would you like some cheese to go with that whine? Get real Bush's tax cuts have benefited all real taxpayers and he may have been lied to about Iraq, but so was every other major world leader including some of our former Presidents and like Bush all of them believed it. Plus, apparently Sadam was the one doing the lying since he refused to give even the UN inspection teams access to certain areas and let's not forget his use of chemical weapons against both the Iranians and Kurds. And there is documented evidence showing transport vehicles leaving Iraq just prior to the US led invasion and many analysts believe they could have been shipping the WMDs to other countries such as Syria.

mike »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

to believer

and bush is not incompetent? the mess in iraq right now is caused by the incompetence of this president. the facts are iraq had no links with binladen, no WMDs were found, & saddam did not order 911.
pure liberal media? then why is bush denying the facts that no links with osama, no wmds & saddam did not order 911. only talking points not facts. and by the way, reagan supported saddam during the 80s & rumsfled even shook the hands of saddam to give him support against his war with iran.

mike »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

to JHS
amen brother.

JHS »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

I AM SURE HIS FAITH WAS IMPORTANT, WHEN HE LIED ABOUT IRAQ, TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY, MILLIONS OF MORE PEOPLE IN POVERTY, I THINK HIS FAITH IS A JOKE.

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:34 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

ender and philo, just think what the alternative to Bush was Al Gore or John Kerry, talk about inept leadership for our country!

believer »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:29 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

philo, continue in your delusion that Iraq and specifically Sadam did not have a hand in 9/11, but the reality is he had funded anti-American and anti-Israel terrorists for years to include those who were behind 9/11.

philo777 »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

Believer:

So what? The things you mentioned go on all the time, and certainly do NOT justify an invasion of a sovereign nation. For goodness sakes, we ourselves armed those we now consider terrorists 'cause they were engaged in combat with communists. Would that justify a Russian invasion of the US in your mind?

My point was that Iraq in no way played a role in 9/11, and that is beyond dispute. In fact, none of the Bush justifications were true, and it can be proven that he knew that at the time.

Forgivensinner »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

ender,
You bring up valid points in that I did not favor Clinton much. And as far as Obama goes, I am hopeful although very concerned because of his double talk. He claims to be for abortion, but them says he vows to reduce the number. He claims to be pro-marriage as between a man and a women, but then votes against the ban.
Bush seemed solid to me. I felt free and protected.
But, you are right, I will make a conscience effort and pray vigorously to not treat Obama as Bush has been treated these last 4 years (and some the last 8).

ender »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 10:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

I wonder how many supporters of Bush and his policies would have maintained that loyalty if Clinton or Obama had launched the Iraqi war on a pretense that turned out to be false. Would Rush or any other conservative be defending the president in that were the case? Too often many people have a double standard for politcal leaders based on whether that individual is a member og the party they support. All political leaders should be held to the same standard. And a high standard at that, after all these are the people we choose to represent us.
I do believe that Bush does have some regrets about the way he handled some things, but I have seen very little evidence that Christian morals and ethics played much of a part in his decision making, policies or political leadership. His abuses of of power within the executive branch have established a dangerous precedent for ALL following presidents, and now a very liberal president has that office and the same potential power available. Will he also abuse that power? And with a DNC majority in both legislative houses, will anyone point out any abuse other than the GOP? And with their silence in the face of Bush's abuse they won't have much credibility.
Many Christians protest "activists" judges legislating from the bench but were silent as Bush greatly expanded executive power.

shooter38 »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

my sister says that he is only a tiny piece in a plan that is working towards armageddon.
I agree with your sister. God's plan will come to pass and we cannot know fully how he will do it. I always believed that is is the Jesus in President Bush that was so hated and I believe its the same reason some in the Arab world hate America.

mburrell »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

bush is typical of the myopic christian. my sister says that he is only a tiny piece in a plan that is working towards armageddon. i think she is nuts. bush has given evangelical christianity a bad name - not to say than many evangelicals are not as bull headed and deaf to justice as the president is. i think it is really possible that he has commited crimes that could be punished with prison time. he is a strnage one...

Forgivensinner »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thank you philo,
I was actually more afraid of being yelled at for sharing my support for Pres. Bush.
I have heard alot of what you have said and been yelled at by liberal family members. I didn't start watching Fox until very recent and still don't watch Rush (or is it listen).
Doubt has not been cast on the Iraqi war for me. I have a brother-in-law that has served two tours in Iraq. THe majority of Iraqi citizens are grateful and overjoyed and frankly afraid of the US pulling too early and their countrymen being anniliated. Sadam was financing terrorism of all autrosities.
I realize just like with God and government there are two ways of looking at this. For me, I can't seem to paint my Pres. Bush in that all out bumbling, misleading, liar light.

prayingforournation »

Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Thanks Talmid I appreciate your post. I too am a soldier and served under Pres. Bush. I think that the soldiers can speak for themselves. and for the most part they swore underoath and volunteered. I don't see babies kicking their mom's saying , hey you know what just abort me. Those that have a voice can speak and soldiers can send grievances to their congressman as well as other agencies. Babies well can't say anything in the womb especially when their mush in a jar.

believer »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

philo, what part of the fiction section will I need to look in to find that book?

believer »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

philo, pure liberal media garbage! In the early 80s I was assigned as an intelligence augmentee while stationed in Italy. During intelligence briefings which were classified at the time they would share how the IRA, Red Brigade, and Palestinian Terrorists were buying and selling weapons and other supplies to each other even though in many ways they were opposed to each other. And the same was true for Sadam and Al Qaeda that even though they disagreed they had one thing that they agreed on, they hate America and all that we stand for and if you think there was no money trail between the two of them I've got a choice piece of oceanfront property to sell you in the middle of the Mojave Desert.

philo777 »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

Forgiven:

Sorry if you thought I was shouting at you, it wasn't personal. The needless deaths of all those Americans and tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis upsets me a great deal, obviously. Waste always upsets me.

The facts surrounding our illegal invasion of sovereign Iraq are well known. They had no connection to 9/11, were not developing any WMD's of any type, were not supporting Al Qaeda and posed no threat to our national security. Bush invaded them 'cause he wanted to, there was just no other justification.

I know this flies in the face of everything you have ever heard on FOX and Rush, but that's the way it is. We have a long way to go to regain the respect of the world, and I think a good first step would be to try Bush (and possibly Chaney)for murder. Not a far-fetched idea at all, by the way, take a look at Vincent Bugliosi's "The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder." The whole case is laid out in there.

I know most of the posters on this site think Bush is the greatest leader we have had since Reagan, but to most of the country he's the worst we ever had.

Again, sorry if you thought I was yelling.

believer »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

philo, I almost forgot the number of military people who bought the lie and to this day have no doubt in their mind that Sadam had WMDs and they should know because they have done tours in Iraq and were there both prior to and during the initial invasion.

believer »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

philo, but you've got to admit he's a good liar considering all the leaders of the world and members of Congress and past Presidents who bought the lie.

theonewhosentme »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

Forgiven, Thank you... God Bless you too

Forgivensinner »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

theonewhosentme,
Thank you! God bless your service!

Forgivensinner »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:51 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

philo,
The jury is still out for me...please don't yell at me...are you so sure he wasn't the right president at the right time or wrong(terrorist attacks)? I'm not so sure that the facts are not in dispute.

theonewhosentme »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:49 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

I am a US solider and I support everything the Commander in Chief has done. How many babies have been aborted this past year? The difference, some are willing to die and others do not have a choice.

Talmid »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:51 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

Wow philo777, you must suffer from foot-in-mouth disease! I wonder if Obama makes a mistake, are you going to hate him too?
(Act 23:5 NASB) - And Paul said, "I was not aware, brethren, that he was high priest; for it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT SPEAK EVIL OF A RULER OF YOUR PEOPLE.' "
(Ex 22:28 NASB) "You shall not curse God, nor curse a ruler of your people.

Tallguy1000 »

Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:43 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 3

I always knew he's a good man! God bless you Mr. Bush!