One of the sad story is the death of our 15 year old sister Christine Turks from the shelling. That was devastating for her families and friend in Gaza
Marriage is a black and white, understood term. Domestic partnership is not. There is absolutely no reason to reinvent the wheel because it makes you uncomfortable or conflicts with your beliefs. Marriage gives everything: health care, hospital visitation, inheritance, and the list goes on for 1400 rights that a domestic partnership simply will not cover and would take YEARS to get to that place, if ever. Civil marriage is not a religious issue.
oh my, johnzon, my friend. please you do not know what you are writing about. please slow down.
This has got nothing to do with religion. This is REAL ESTATE war.
The ones that are making this jihad and holy war are HAMAS in Gaza strip, Hezballah in Lebanon.
and more importantly HIZBUT TAHRIR which is worldwide and looking for global caliphate. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge the right for the state of Israel to exist, persecute Christians worldwide and use violence wherever they go.
Hizbut Tahrir are recruiting jihadist from all Muslim communities around the world to join their Hamas fellow terrorist in Gaza via Sinai dessert through Rafah.
They are also pressuring Hezballah to attack from the north and open the 2nd theathre of war for the Israilis
The formation of a Jewish homeland should never have been allowed to occurr in the Middle East. Land was taken from the Arabs after the extermination of European Jewry by the Christians of Europe. Why should the Palestinians have to pay for the crimes committed upon the Jews by Europeans? A Jewish homeland should have been craved out of Europe where the crimes against Jewish humanity occurred. All we have now is endless bloodshed of both Jews and Palestinians. With the support of the US military-industrial complex, the formerly oppressed Jewish people have now become the oppressors.
Its now Thursday at dawn 3.30am in Gaza, January 8th and the IDF got 72 hours to finish all their task before the ceasefire forecasted sets in.
They have bagged around 120 Hamas terrorist marked for interogation and have several more Hamasmen to be forcefully picked up at their homes or mosque hideaway.
And measures are already taken to destroy and mine the underground tunnel connecting Gaza's southern border at Rafah to the Egyptian Sinai dessert. Plus Israil needs to monitor the activities of the Moslem brotherhood in Cairo and Hezballah in Lebanon and Damascus
Considering that operation Cast Lead (distribute bullets) have gone for 2 weeks, its going well apart from a fatal friendly fire and the idiotic blast of the UN school for Palestinian children at Jebaliya murdering 48 childrens. This is truly a big error from IDF. Even when Hamas are hiding there and firing AKs and Metis, the paratroops just have to avoid it and not tasking their Merkava to return fire.
Hopefully the operation can be completed in the mentioned time frame as we shall enter into the ceasefire.
Hopefully there shall be no more children among the near 700 dead and 3000 injured Palestinians. And the 2500 Christians can restart their lives and business once again, after the extermination of Hamas.
prophet and online, John MacArthur in his book, "The Power And Freedom Of Forgiveness" devotes a whole chapter to the unpardonable sin question. He sums it up like this, if a person is exposed to evidence that proves to them beyond a shadow of a doubt the source of all Christ's words and works and they still choose to reject Jesus as Savior and God and they are physically in the presence of Christ as the Jewish religious leaders were, then they are beyond forgiveness, since they've become so hardened that they have made up their hearts and minds to pay no attention to the Holy Spirit. It is a deliberate rejection of Christ in full light of the Holy Spirit's testimony. The only possible question is does Christ have to be physically present for this sin to occur. But once again were discussing a very difficult issue to clearly understand.
Its now Thursday at dawn 3.30am in Gaza, January 8th and the IDF got 72 hours to finish all their task before the ceasefire forecasted sets in.
They have bagged around 120 Hamas terrorist marked for interogation and have several more Hamasmen to be forcefully picked up at their homes or mosque hideaway.
And measures are already taken to destroy and mine the underground tunnel connecting Gaza's southern border at Rafah to the Egyptian Sinai dessert. Plus Israil needs to monitor the activities of the Moslem brotherhood in Cairo and Hezballah in Lebanon and Damascus
Considering that operation Cast Lead (distribute bullets) have gone for 2 weeks, its going well apart from a fatal friendly fire and the idiotic blast of the UN school for Palestinian children at Jebaliya murdering 48 childrens. This is truly a big error from IDF. Even when Hamas are hiding there and firing AKs and Metis, the paratroops just have to avoid it and not tasking their Merkava to return fire.
Hopefully the operation can be completed in the mentioned time frame as we shall enter into the ceasefire.
Hopefully there shall be no more children among the near 700 dead and 3000 injured Palestinians. And the 2500 Christians can restart their lives and business once again, after the extermination of Hamas.
rollin, we homeschooled our son through the 8th grade and then he attended a public high school and went on to college, when he came home from college for Christmas break of his freshman year he thanked us for homeschooling him because high school did not prepare him at all for college and only those study habits and things he learned as a result of being homeschooled got him through his first semester.
War is a terrible thing. Hamas are using women and children as human shields to carry out their terrorist activities. To them children are collateral damage. Most of the TV news footage of the events are staged by the Hamas propaganda machine and the western media are falling all over themselves to paint Israel in a black light.
Living with Rockets
By Anav Silverman
The Sderot Media Center | Tuesday, January 06, 2009
"There has been a war of terror on Sderot from more than eight years now. During this time period, an estimated 8,000-10,000 Palestinian rockets have been fired at Sderot and the western Negev from the Gaza Strip. There was not one serious long-term military response from Israel to the rocket attacks during that time besides the closing of crossings and checkpoints.
In the meantime, hundreds of Israelis homes and properties have been destroyed, over 700 Israelis wounded, and thousands psychologically traumatized by Palestinian rocket fire. Periodically, schools in Sderot and the western Negev have been forced to close, as normal life cruelly transforms into a marathon of 15 seconds, (the number of seconds one has to escape to shelter when the Tzeva Adom, or Red Color alert is set off by an impending Palestinian rocket).
Sderot and western Negev residents have been forced to sit and endure Palestinian rocket terror to the point that there is now a generation of eight year old Sderot children who are showing signs of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as early as age three."
Continued in the above link.
The list of irreconcilable differences between what the Bible says and what the Roman Catholic Church says makes any joint mission between the two absolutely impossible. Those who deny this are not being true to what they say they believe, no matter which side they are on. Any Catholic who is serious about his faith will deny what a serious evangelical Christian believes and vice-versa. It seems that this ecumenical venture is more political than anything else . . .
rolln, I read your original post, it was nice and friendly. I enjoyed it. I admire you for your decision to homeschool.
It's funny, I live in an extremely liberal state and yet, our public schools are being closed down (one already another slated) to the increased number of parents either homeschooling or moving to private schools (not all are religious).
was christ a conservative? you are focused on abortion? can you force a woman not to have an abortion? I told a woman once & she did it anyway? another is abortion is not the only issue: there are corruption greed, power, arrogance and the pharisees practiced them. another is did christ condemn the woman caught committing adultery? I hope you christian right do not sin.
go ahead cast the first stone.
(1 Tim 3:15 The Church is the foundation and pillar of Truth)
First, Paul does identify the church as Gods household; therefore it must comprise every true Christian, not only their leaders. Next, we are told to (examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith) 2 Corinthians 13:5 . . . this council is not only for individuals but for churches as well. For example, the seven churches in Revelation 2 & 3; we read that the church of Pergamos allowed the teaching of the Nicolaitanes . . . and the church of Thyatira allowed sexual immorality into their congregation . . . etc.
Anyone or any church can claim to have or be the pillar of truth . . . what did Jesus say about truth? He said, Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth (John 17:17) and when Paul visited Ephesus, who did he commit the believers to? He said: (And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified) Acts 20:32.
Notice that he did not commit them to the magisterium or to the pope but to God and His Word. So, dependence upon the Word of God is seen as the basis for a church being the pillar of truth: Galatians 1:8-9 states: (But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
(1Tim 3:1, 8, 5:17-Indentifies roles of Bishops, Priests and Deacons & Tit 1:5 -Commission for bishops to ordain Priests)
The New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant. Instead, the New Testament teaches that all believers are priests. 1 Peter 2:5-9 describes believers as a (holy priesthood) and a (royal priesthood). Again, The New Testament teaches that there are to be elders (1 Timothy 3), deacons (1 Timothy 3), bishops (Titus 1:6-9), and pastors (Ephesians 4:11) but not priests.
Tradition: What the apostles handed down to understand Scripture and to give authentic Christian worship.
(1Cor 11:2 commends them for following Apostolic Tradition)
This verse uses the word (delivered) in the past tense and cannot be used to justify extra biblical doctrines. If the traditions that the RCC teaches were so universal . . . why dont we read about them in scripture?
(2 Thess 2:15 - commands them to keep Traditions)
Again, Paul speaks of those traditions which HAVE BEEN TAUGHT . . . not WHAT WILL BE TAUGHT.
(2 Thess 3:6 shun those acting not according to Tradition)
This verse also speaks in the past tense: after the tradition which he received of us.
These words for all believers . . . this chapter INCLUDES the 70 disciples who when out two by two.
Infallible Church: (Jn 16:13 Spirit of Truth will guide to all truth) & (Jn 14:16, 26 Holy Spirit with you always, teach/remind you of everything)
This promise is for all believers; for we read: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if ANY MAN have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his (Romans 8:9).
Authoritative Church: (MT 28:18-20 Jesus delegates all power to Apostles)
Jesus did give authority to all the apostles . . . to teach the gospel and make disciples of every nation.
(John 20:23: Power to Forgive sins)
(1) John 20:23 nowhere mentions confession of sin. (2) John 20:23 nowhere promises, or even hints, that the authority to forgive sins would be passed on to successors of the apostles. (3) The New Testament nowhere states that the apostles would even have successors to their apostolic authority.
(1Cor 11:23-24-power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
This verse does not teach transubstantiation . . . it says: this do in remembrance of me. Also, the Lords Supper is a memorial . . . not a re-sacrifice.
(Lk 10:16 - Power to speak with Christs voice)
Everyone who is in Christ and is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can speak his word: (And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us) Luke 9:49, 50.
(Mt: 18:18 Power to legislate) & (Mt 18:17 Power to discipline)
You may want to re-read this verses in their context; start with verse 15 and proceed to verse 22. This council is for the entire church . . . it says: (if two of you); there is nothing here to suggest apostolic succession.
Hierarchy: (Eph 4:11 Church leaders are hierarchical)
Again, re-read this verse in its proper context: But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men (Ephesians 4:7, 8). These gifts were given for the edification of the church . . . these verses speak nothing of a universal bishop or apostolic successors.
Tallguy wrote: "Our heavenly Father would not leave His children alone to fumble around with no direction."
With all due respect, Tallguy, but God did not leave His children to fumble around, but gave us Jesus as our Head and His Holy Spirit as our guide. Jesus also made clear His kingdom (the Church) was not earthly, but Spiritual. His church is not a building built on an actual rock/person, but He, Himself is our foundation. His church is His Body to which He adds His people.
Essentially, what I said was that we started homeschooling this year and haven't regretted it one bit.
The public education system is in disarray and all you have to do is look at California as a prime example. Go to http://www.exodusmandate.org and http://www.californiaexodus.org to find great information as to why there's a mass exodus from public education.
The NEA is all about liberal ideology. They blacklist anyone from conservative viewpoints. We left public education because of the sex education which is also filled with homosexual propaganda forcing its agenda on our children. Certainly, we need those that are called to be in public education to witness, but for the most part - GET OUT! I did a graduate degree in education through secular schools and I was appalled at what our educators are being forced to learn and spread.
Redneck southern fathers are don't know the meaning of a daughter's honor. They are the worst fathers in America. Any father who lets his daughter get in this condition is a colossal looser.
If Hamas lays down their weapons, then there will be peace and the children of Gaza will be safe and secure. If Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no more Israel, and the children of Israel will become the next victims of genocide.
IHS said: "...christ wanted full unity for His flock under his Prime Minister..."
We can find no such direction from Christ in His Word where we are advised to come under the preeminence of one man who would be called:
Pope
Patriarch of the West
Primate of Italy
Metropolitan of the Province of Rome
Sovereign Pontiff
Our Holy Father
Your Holiness
Most Blessed Father
Servant of the Servants of God
Bishop of Rome
Vicar of Jesus Christ
Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
Patriarch of the West
Primate of Italy
Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
Sovereign of the State of Vatican City
Let us be alert in these last days, lest we be enticed away from "All scripture...is profitable."
"Our heavenly Father would not leave His children alone to fumble around with no direction. God in His Wisdom and love for us has established the Holy Catholic Church to guide His children. And guide us well they do. Look at the holy people this Holy Church has produced over the years."
surely you are aware that the "spirit of god" and "word of god" were throughout the entire old testament.
he didnt leave us alone, he gave us a paraclete to show us all truth. jesus's specific mention indicates a different relationship, because truth now includes christ who has been give all authority, and judgement and lives in us. if christ lives in us why the need for a special leader.
look at all the martyrs the church put to the stake, because they would not succomb to the leading of the church.
case and point was huus 100
years before luther for speaking out against indulgences
surely there were a number of popes who succombed to all manner of evils.
No, your answer is "hey, here's a domestic partnership, now sit down and shut up." My answer is I deserve equal protection under the law, and a civil marriage is in no way a God sanctioned marriage.
But to be honest, I haven't thought about it much. Like you, I live my life so far removed from any possible "point of no return" so that I don't have to worry about whether my salvation is in question, or whether I committed the unpardonable sin.
Richard Dawkins is a hero and sadly ahead of his time.To say there is no god 100% would be unscientific and just as stupid as saying there is a god with 100% certainty.The burden of proof does not rest on Mr. Dawkins or any other thinking person but on all of you who belive.Mr.Dawkins can no more prove there isn't a Flying Spaghetti Monster somewhere than prove your god exist.Just because you and your parents say so isnt enough for some of us.
and it's the same with Christianity in general Believer, Christ has absolutly no power over you unless you allow it and you submit to Him. You have free will.
You mentioned the catechism you learned as a kid. I'll say it again, throw that one away, it was the Baltimore Catechism, more of a workbook. Get a copy of the Catechism today as written by the Vatican. It's an excellent read!
Crowded and but security is good from the west bank Palestinian police
Yes, that is sad. Prayerful for her family and friends.
One of the sad story is the death of our 15 year old sister Christine Turks from the shelling. That was devastating for her families and friend in Gaza
Thank you my friends, we went there for the Bethlehem Christmas service on the 20th and just got back.
We are praying for peace and so that Lord opens all our hearts and minds to stop all violence.
I just hope that the IDF can complete their job in the timeframe and delete Hamas for good
Forgivensinner, I will probably get over it.
Really? What was that like? A bit crowded? ;-)
But there are lots of Messianic brothers from IDF and Orthodox brothers and sisters at Gaza who are caught up by this violence
Marriage is a black and white, understood term. Domestic partnership is not. There is absolutely no reason to reinvent the wheel because it makes you uncomfortable or conflicts with your beliefs. Marriage gives everything: health care, hospital visitation, inheritance, and the list goes on for 1400 rights that a domestic partnership simply will not cover and would take YEARS to get to that place, if ever. Civil marriage is not a religious issue.
Remember that those who bless Israel shall be blessed, and those who curse Israel shall be cursed.
So how do we know?
For them who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit is saying to the church.
Sorry, folks I misunderstood. Our friend arit is not in Gaza.
johnzon, you've lost any respect I may have had for you!
We went for the Bethlehem Christmas
Oh my I thought you were there, gave my heart a start!
No, my brother
I just got back to Indonesia
Forgivensinner
<<He's there! He's living it!>>
Sooo, your point is??
Whoa, johnzon.
He's there! He's living it!
Thank you arit for the education.
aritonang
<<please you do not know what you are writing about>>
Right back at you my friend
oh my, johnzon, my friend. please you do not know what you are writing about. please slow down.
This has got nothing to do with religion. This is REAL ESTATE war.
The ones that are making this jihad and holy war are HAMAS in Gaza strip, Hezballah in Lebanon.
and more importantly HIZBUT TAHRIR which is worldwide and looking for global caliphate. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge the right for the state of Israel to exist, persecute Christians worldwide and use violence wherever they go.
Hizbut Tahrir are recruiting jihadist from all Muslim communities around the world to join their Hamas fellow terrorist in Gaza via Sinai dessert through Rafah.
They are also pressuring Hezballah to attack from the north and open the 2nd theathre of war for the Israilis
Wow, arit, you're actually in Gaza?! Praying for you!
The formation of a Jewish homeland should never have been allowed to occurr in the Middle East. Land was taken from the Arabs after the extermination of European Jewry by the Christians of Europe. Why should the Palestinians have to pay for the crimes committed upon the Jews by Europeans? A Jewish homeland should have been craved out of Europe where the crimes against Jewish humanity occurred. All we have now is endless bloodshed of both Jews and Palestinians. With the support of the US military-industrial complex, the formerly oppressed Jewish people have now become the oppressors.
Its now Thursday at dawn 3.30am in Gaza, January 8th and the IDF got 72 hours to finish all their task before the ceasefire forecasted sets in.
They have bagged around 120 Hamas terrorist marked for interogation and have several more Hamasmen to be forcefully picked up at their homes or mosque hideaway.
And measures are already taken to destroy and mine the underground tunnel connecting Gaza's southern border at Rafah to the Egyptian Sinai dessert. Plus Israil needs to monitor the activities of the Moslem brotherhood in Cairo and Hezballah in Lebanon and Damascus
Considering that operation Cast Lead (distribute bullets) have gone for 2 weeks, its going well apart from a fatal friendly fire and the idiotic blast of the UN school for Palestinian children at Jebaliya murdering 48 childrens. This is truly a big error from IDF. Even when Hamas are hiding there and firing AKs and Metis, the paratroops just have to avoid it and not tasking their Merkava to return fire.
Hopefully the operation can be completed in the mentioned time frame as we shall enter into the ceasefire.
Hopefully there shall be no more children among the near 700 dead and 3000 injured Palestinians. And the 2500 Christians can restart their lives and business once again, after the extermination of Hamas.
prophet and online, John MacArthur in his book, "The Power And Freedom Of Forgiveness" devotes a whole chapter to the unpardonable sin question. He sums it up like this, if a person is exposed to evidence that proves to them beyond a shadow of a doubt the source of all Christ's words and works and they still choose to reject Jesus as Savior and God and they are physically in the presence of Christ as the Jewish religious leaders were, then they are beyond forgiveness, since they've become so hardened that they have made up their hearts and minds to pay no attention to the Holy Spirit. It is a deliberate rejection of Christ in full light of the Holy Spirit's testimony. The only possible question is does Christ have to be physically present for this sin to occur. But once again were discussing a very difficult issue to clearly understand.
Its now Thursday at dawn 3.30am in Gaza, January 8th and the IDF got 72 hours to finish all their task before the ceasefire forecasted sets in.
They have bagged around 120 Hamas terrorist marked for interogation and have several more Hamasmen to be forcefully picked up at their homes or mosque hideaway.
And measures are already taken to destroy and mine the underground tunnel connecting Gaza's southern border at Rafah to the Egyptian Sinai dessert. Plus Israil needs to monitor the activities of the Moslem brotherhood in Cairo and Hezballah in Lebanon and Damascus
Considering that operation Cast Lead (distribute bullets) have gone for 2 weeks, its going well apart from a fatal friendly fire and the idiotic blast of the UN school for Palestinian children at Jebaliya murdering 48 childrens. This is truly a big error from IDF. Even when Hamas are hiding there and firing AKs and Metis, the paratroops just have to avoid it and not tasking their Merkava to return fire.
Hopefully the operation can be completed in the mentioned time frame as we shall enter into the ceasefire.
Hopefully there shall be no more children among the near 700 dead and 3000 injured Palestinians. And the 2500 Christians can restart their lives and business once again, after the extermination of Hamas.
No, because most of the Gaza civilians who have been tortured are our Palestinian brothers and sisters of the Orthodox church.
That is the reason why the western media do not pick up on the story. For fear of inciting the atheist and agnostic.
Please check on the numbers of Christian living in Gaza before and AFTER Hamas take over in 2007
online, the passage in Peter you referred to was speaking to false teachers and not true believers.
tallguy, so your saying that God who is all-powerful, all-knowing, and ever-present has no power over us regardless of free will?
tallguy, why would I want a catechism when I have the Word of God?
rollin, we homeschooled our son through the 8th grade and then he attended a public high school and went on to college, when he came home from college for Christmas break of his freshman year he thanked us for homeschooling him because high school did not prepare him at all for college and only those study habits and things he learned as a result of being homeschooled got him through his first semester.
agent, only 5-10% of southerners had slaves, the primary reason the south left the union was over the issue of states rights and not slavery.
mike22685, so how does same-sex marriage get you equal protection and if it does so would stronger domestic partnership laws?
War is a terrible thing. Hamas are using women and children as human shields to carry out their terrorist activities. To them children are collateral damage. Most of the TV news footage of the events are staged by the Hamas propaganda machine and the western media are falling all over themselves to paint Israel in a black light.
Living with Rockets
By Anav Silverman
The Sderot Media Center | Tuesday, January 06, 2009
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=78BB54C5-6B49-40A6-94A9-04A72222F7F5
"There has been a war of terror on Sderot from more than eight years now. During this time period, an estimated 8,000-10,000 Palestinian rockets have been fired at Sderot and the western Negev from the Gaza Strip. There was not one serious long-term military response from Israel to the rocket attacks during that time besides the closing of crossings and checkpoints.
In the meantime, hundreds of Israelis homes and properties have been destroyed, over 700 Israelis wounded, and thousands psychologically traumatized by Palestinian rocket fire. Periodically, schools in Sderot and the western Negev have been forced to close, as normal life cruelly transforms into a marathon of 15 seconds, (the number of seconds one has to escape to shelter when the Tzeva Adom, or Red Color alert is set off by an impending Palestinian rocket).
Sderot and western Negev residents have been forced to sit and endure Palestinian rocket terror to the point that there is now a generation of eight year old Sderot children who are showing signs of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as early as age three."
Continued in the above link.
The list of irreconcilable differences between what the Bible says and what the Roman Catholic Church says makes any joint mission between the two absolutely impossible. Those who deny this are not being true to what they say they believe, no matter which side they are on. Any Catholic who is serious about his faith will deny what a serious evangelical Christian believes and vice-versa. It seems that this ecumenical venture is more political than anything else . . .
rolln, I read your original post, it was nice and friendly. I enjoyed it. I admire you for your decision to homeschool.
It's funny, I live in an extremely liberal state and yet, our public schools are being closed down (one already another slated) to the increased number of parents either homeschooling or moving to private schools (not all are religious).
to danny
was christ a conservative? you are focused on abortion? can you force a woman not to have an abortion? I told a woman once & she did it anyway? another is abortion is not the only issue: there are corruption greed, power, arrogance and the pharisees practiced them. another is did christ condemn the woman caught committing adultery? I hope you christian right do not sin.
go ahead cast the first stone.
(1 Tim 3:15 The Church is the foundation and pillar of Truth)
First, Paul does identify the church as Gods household; therefore it must comprise every true Christian, not only their leaders. Next, we are told to (examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith) 2 Corinthians 13:5 . . . this council is not only for individuals but for churches as well. For example, the seven churches in Revelation 2 & 3; we read that the church of Pergamos allowed the teaching of the Nicolaitanes . . . and the church of Thyatira allowed sexual immorality into their congregation . . . etc.
Anyone or any church can claim to have or be the pillar of truth . . . what did Jesus say about truth? He said, Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth (John 17:17) and when Paul visited Ephesus, who did he commit the believers to? He said: (And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified) Acts 20:32.
Notice that he did not commit them to the magisterium or to the pope but to God and His Word. So, dependence upon the Word of God is seen as the basis for a church being the pillar of truth: Galatians 1:8-9 states: (But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
(1Tim 3:1, 8, 5:17-Indentifies roles of Bishops, Priests and Deacons & Tit 1:5 -Commission for bishops to ordain Priests)
The New Testament does not teach that there are to be priests in the New Covenant. Instead, the New Testament teaches that all believers are priests. 1 Peter 2:5-9 describes believers as a (holy priesthood) and a (royal priesthood). Again, The New Testament teaches that there are to be elders (1 Timothy 3), deacons (1 Timothy 3), bishops (Titus 1:6-9), and pastors (Ephesians 4:11) but not priests.
Tradition: What the apostles handed down to understand Scripture and to give authentic Christian worship.
(1Cor 11:2 commends them for following Apostolic Tradition)
This verse uses the word (delivered) in the past tense and cannot be used to justify extra biblical doctrines. If the traditions that the RCC teaches were so universal . . . why dont we read about them in scripture?
(2 Thess 2:15 - commands them to keep Traditions)
Again, Paul speaks of those traditions which HAVE BEEN TAUGHT . . . not WHAT WILL BE TAUGHT.
(2 Thess 3:6 shun those acting not according to Tradition)
This verse also speaks in the past tense: after the tradition which he received of us.
(Lk 10:16 Whoever HEARS you Hears me; rejects you, rejects me)
These words for all believers . . . this chapter INCLUDES the 70 disciples who when out two by two.
Infallible Church: (Jn 16:13 Spirit of Truth will guide to all truth) & (Jn 14:16, 26 Holy Spirit with you always, teach/remind you of everything)
This promise is for all believers; for we read: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if ANY MAN have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his (Romans 8:9).
IHS,
Authoritative Church: (MT 28:18-20 Jesus delegates all power to Apostles)
Jesus did give authority to all the apostles . . . to teach the gospel and make disciples of every nation.
(John 20:23: Power to Forgive sins)
(1) John 20:23 nowhere mentions confession of sin. (2) John 20:23 nowhere promises, or even hints, that the authority to forgive sins would be passed on to successors of the apostles. (3) The New Testament nowhere states that the apostles would even have successors to their apostolic authority.
(1Cor 11:23-24-power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
This verse does not teach transubstantiation . . . it says: this do in remembrance of me. Also, the Lords Supper is a memorial . . . not a re-sacrifice.
(Lk 10:16 - Power to speak with Christs voice)
Everyone who is in Christ and is indwelt with the Holy Spirit can speak his word: (And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us) Luke 9:49, 50.
(Mt: 18:18 Power to legislate) & (Mt 18:17 Power to discipline)
You may want to re-read this verses in their context; start with verse 15 and proceed to verse 22. This council is for the entire church . . . it says: (if two of you); there is nothing here to suggest apostolic succession.
Hierarchy: (Eph 4:11 Church leaders are hierarchical)
Again, re-read this verse in its proper context: But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men (Ephesians 4:7, 8). These gifts were given for the edification of the church . . . these verses speak nothing of a universal bishop or apostolic successors.
PS That's His story and I'm sticking to it!
Tallguy wrote: "Our heavenly Father would not leave His children alone to fumble around with no direction."
With all due respect, Tallguy, but God did not leave His children to fumble around, but gave us Jesus as our Head and His Holy Spirit as our guide. Jesus also made clear His kingdom (the Church) was not earthly, but Spiritual. His church is not a building built on an actual rock/person, but He, Himself is our foundation. His church is His Body to which He adds His people.
Essentially, what I said was that we started homeschooling this year and haven't regretted it one bit.
The public education system is in disarray and all you have to do is look at California as a prime example. Go to http://www.exodusmandate.org and http://www.californiaexodus.org to find great information as to why there's a mass exodus from public education.
The NEA is all about liberal ideology. They blacklist anyone from conservative viewpoints. We left public education because of the sex education which is also filled with homosexual propaganda forcing its agenda on our children. Certainly, we need those that are called to be in public education to witness, but for the most part - GET OUT! I did a graduate degree in education through secular schools and I was appalled at what our educators are being forced to learn and spread.
Hey, who was the coward that flagged me. There was nothing inappropriate said. So I'll repost.
Redneck southern fathers are don't know the meaning of a daughter's honor. They are the worst fathers in America. Any father who lets his daughter get in this condition is a colossal looser.
If Hamas lays down their weapons, then there will be peace and the children of Gaza will be safe and secure. If Israel lays down her weapons, there will be no more Israel, and the children of Israel will become the next victims of genocide.
IHS said: "...christ wanted full unity for His flock under his Prime Minister..."
We can find no such direction from Christ in His Word where we are advised to come under the preeminence of one man who would be called:
Pope
Patriarch of the West
Primate of Italy
Metropolitan of the Province of Rome
Sovereign Pontiff
Our Holy Father
Your Holiness
Most Blessed Father
Servant of the Servants of God
Bishop of Rome
Vicar of Jesus Christ
Successor of the Prince of the Apostles
Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church
Patriarch of the West
Primate of Italy
Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province
Sovereign of the State of Vatican City
Let us be alert in these last days, lest we be enticed away from "All scripture...is profitable."
"Our heavenly Father would not leave His children alone to fumble around with no direction. God in His Wisdom and love for us has established the Holy Catholic Church to guide His children. And guide us well they do. Look at the holy people this Holy Church has produced over the years."
surely you are aware that the "spirit of god" and "word of god" were throughout the entire old testament.
he didnt leave us alone, he gave us a paraclete to show us all truth. jesus's specific mention indicates a different relationship, because truth now includes christ who has been give all authority, and judgement and lives in us. if christ lives in us why the need for a special leader.
look at all the martyrs the church put to the stake, because they would not succomb to the leading of the church.
case and point was huus 100
years before luther for speaking out against indulgences
surely there were a number of popes who succombed to all manner of evils.
No, your answer is "hey, here's a domestic partnership, now sit down and shut up." My answer is I deserve equal protection under the law, and a civil marriage is in no way a God sanctioned marriage.
But to be honest, I haven't thought about it much. Like you, I live my life so far removed from any possible "point of no return" so that I don't have to worry about whether my salvation is in question, or whether I committed the unpardonable sin.
Richard Dawkins is a hero and sadly ahead of his time.To say there is no god 100% would be unscientific and just as stupid as saying there is a god with 100% certainty.The burden of proof does not rest on Mr. Dawkins or any other thinking person but on all of you who belive.Mr.Dawkins can no more prove there isn't a Flying Spaghetti Monster somewhere than prove your god exist.Just because you and your parents say so isnt enough for some of us.
and it's the same with Christianity in general Believer, Christ has absolutly no power over you unless you allow it and you submit to Him. You have free will.
You mentioned the catechism you learned as a kid. I'll say it again, throw that one away, it was the Baltimore Catechism, more of a workbook. Get a copy of the Catechism today as written by the Vatican. It's an excellent read!
Like others, I believe it is attributing God's works and miracles to satan. But that's my opinion.