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Church|Fri, Nov. 21 2008 12:56 PM EST

Getting the Whole Story Out on Christians and Homosexuality

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

That means, defending God's design for sexuality and doing so in a spirit of grace, humility and compassion, she explained.

"People think that Christians are intolerant or bigots or hate-filled. This is an opportunity to say that's absolutely not true," she added. "The very essence of God is love. In ways unbelievers misunderstand Christianity and the messages of Christ, this is an opportunity to actually live it out by showing love. That doesn't mean condoning behaviors outside God's created intent for sexuality."

Fryrear celebrated this year the 10th anniversary of Love Won Out conferences and testified that many gay advocates who attended the event were surprised not to have heard messages of hate but only of love and grace.

The ministry's goal is to model after Christ, and balance "grace and truth," she said.

Also hoping to clear up misperceptions and get the "whole story" across, Stith of the SBC said it is imperative for Christians to at least seek to communicate that "it isn't just that we believe gay marriage is bad for Christians, the culture at large, etc. But it is ultimately bad for homosexuals if we really believe God has something different in mind for them. This is true for anyone who desires the fullness of joy and peace that God wants them to have."

"Whether someone is living with another person outside the marriage covenant, is a serial adulterer, or engaging in premarital sex, they cannot experience all that God wants them to have," he continued. "Our motive should not be simply to deny gay marriage but to hold out the hope, the promise and the fullness that God wants all people to know."

Homosexuality has emerged as a major issue confronting churches in the recent decade. And Stith has been part of a growing effort seen among churches to inform, educate and encourage Christians to reach out and show compassion in response to homosexuality while affirming biblical truth.

Responding to claims that the church views homosexual behavior as a bigger sin than anything else, Stith simply stated, "When the culture continually argues for the acceptance of homosexual acts, the church is called to respond to that ... [and] to speak the truth of Scripture."

"If it seems that we devote an inordinate amount of time addressing that it is because an inordinate amount of time is given to promotion of homosexuality."

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  • Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:17 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 6

    I am not your judge...GOD is.

  • Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:31 am Agree: 6   Disagree: 2

    I pray that you'll realize how unreasonable you are and that you will see how harmful your judgment of others truly is.

  • Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    Well, I see I cannot reason with you, but I pray you and others in the same situation will be loosed from the bondage you're in.

  • Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:21 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Oh I wasn't twisting that, but YOU have done plenty of judging on this website in the past. Don't deny it, that would be a lie (which is a sin, but its not me judging you, its God!)

  • Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:47 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    It said God is your judge, and He is, and will. Why do you twist everything around? Bible verses, what others say here, etc.

    "... don't explain yourself away. I am not your judge...GOD is."

    How is that judging you? It is stating a FACT - according to bible.

  • Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:46 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Hmm, funny, you say that, then you judge me. Interesting.

  • Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 5

    "... don't explain yourself away. I am not your judge...GOD is."

    EXACTLY - Amen

  • Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:47 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Jehovah, its not of the flesh. My attraction to my partner has gone beyond the initial "Hey, you're cute!" into a complete adoration of the wonderful person that he is. We have a bond that does not rely on what each other looks like or if we have sex, just like any husband in wife who are truly in love.

  • Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Well, even if you dismiss Lev, a number of places in the N.T. clearly says that anything other than 1 man and 1 woman is wrong. And to show that I am not singling out homosexuals, sodomy between a man and a woman is also contrary to the bible.

  • Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:56 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Didn't say that John. If we don't use Lev as a reference for all of our actions, then it is YOU who pick and choose from the Bible. The laws of lev. are broken because of the new covenant. Hence, we do not follow any of them. Many insist on using the "you shall not lie with man as with woman..." because it fits into their bigotry, not because they look to Lev. to live their lives daily.

  • Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    Then your logic is; since we do not follow every law in Leviticus, we can commit any abomination we want? How about murder? Is that OK? That argument does not work.

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    John, then why don't we still follow every law of Lev?

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:06 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    I do not remember any verse that says follow my laws until society becomes reprobate - then interpret my laws to suit your needs.

  • Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:25 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    I don't feel the need to express my views of God so you can judge them, thanks.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    John, because you cannot read the Bible as it is written today to get a true understanding. You must go back through thousands of years, and original text, along with historical context, shows that Paul was encountering a great amount of idolatry which included sexual orgies, but homosexuality wouldn't be that rampant that he'd need to talk about it.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    How do you come to the conclusion that this verse has to do with idolatry and not homosexuality? I started reading the bible as a child many years ago, and many times since, but have never seen anything to suggest what you are claiming. I am just curious how you arrive at your conclusion.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:41 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    No, its not denying truth! Historically, it was NOT talking about homosexual relationships, it was talking about sex for idolatry. That is not the same thing, and I am not denying truth.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    We're getting a little off track. Of course we are not going to eat the body of Jesus - literally. I would be curious what you think the following examples are telling us and mean.
    1-Thou shalt not steal.
    2-Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman because it is an abomination.

    I know you think the O.T. is meaningless garbage, so how about Rom 1:27?

    To "interpret" it to mean anything other than condemning homosexuality is just denial of the truth. Can't you see that?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:16 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    John, you ignorantly deny that you interpret the Bible, but I can guarantee you do. Jesus said "unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you shall not have life within you." Do you take that literally, because if not, then you INTERPRET it.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "No John, it is you who scoff when we present valid arguments about our interpretation, and you scoff that someone else could possibly have the truth because you are too proud."

    Actually, I and other Christians do not have to interpret anything. Although written long ago, it is quite clear in telling us how we should live and conduct our lives. The moral absolutes in the Word of God will never change. As morals deteriorate in a society, some look to 'interpret' the everlasting Word to somehow fit their lives and actions. So just to clarify, I read and apply the Word to my life the best I can, which is far from perfect, and have no need to 'interpret' anything.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:30 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    No John, it is you who scoff when we present valid arguments about our interpretation, and you scoff that someone else could possibly have the truth because you are too proud. Gr8, the Bible lasts for all time, but Romans is condemning idolatry of the Pagans, not homosexuality, although the way the BIble has been interpreted over the years you'd think gays have become the new pagans. Interesting how that shift in Christian logic has occurred (there is very much an "us" and "them" mentality in regards to Christians and gays, and many "christians" on this site refuse to allow a gay person to be included in their Christian brethren.)

    Jehovah, you never answered if you follow all levitical law, or only that one verse that suits your cause. Also, Romans speaks to temple prostitution, so to extend that verse to a civil union which is about love and commitment is false doctrine. I can't imagine the Lord would smile kindly on that. You speak as if we cannot fathom the same God you do, and that is simply not not true. You actively push gays away from Christ in the way you speak.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Scoffing is exactly what you and others do when someone quotes scripture to you.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Also, remember in the book of Proverbs, where it is said thast "fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowlege", so I believe that you believe in the Lord, but do you take him a little too lightly, Mike.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike, the Bible stands the test of time, any time, whether ancient time or modern time, sin is sin and the Bible shows that God was against any sin, including homosexuality, during the ancient leading to the modern era.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Can it buddy, no one is scoffing or lusting here.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts.

  • Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:04 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, regardless as to whether you think I am a Christian or not, there is not reason to try and bash me as an educator, the most important job we have (teachers make all professions possible.) The fact that you feel such a need to attack and attack tells me that perhaps you are not a very good Christian.

  • Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike-
    You claim yourself to be an educator and a Christian. I know for a fact you are not a Christian, so why would I respect you as an educator. I've also noticed a pattern with you and your posts. You never give credit to any study provided you, not just from me, but from others as well. Anyone that is a Christian on this post you simply write off by saying that it's "THEIR" interpretation of the Bible. No matter how many studies or how many scripture verses we provide you showing that homosexuality is sin and detrimental to ones health - it sounds like you're not willing to repent and change, so onward we go.

  • Thu Jan 29, 2009 6:49 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    OK, so then why as a Christian are you trying to bash one of the noblest professions when it is YOUR logic that made no sense? Is it because you needed to feel validated? Is it because you simply must put someone down? People take you much more seriously when you stick to the truth, but you quite consistently rely on insults.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually, I was public schooled throughout.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:15 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, is there a reason you're trying to insult me and my profession? We're not discussing the CDC article, were discussing what you said. You specifically said most gays have "some sort" of STD or other health problem. I paraphrased that you said most gays have STDs. That is one in the same. Please, enlighten me as to how they are different since you seem to think my education or teaching is substandard to yours.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike -

    Now let's do a comparison:

    My quote: "You must agree that most gays have some sort of STD or health related issue pertaining to their lifestyle."

    Your quote:

    "most gays have an STD...um, nope."

    Do you see something missing. Now I know you are smarter than that. But it does tell me that you didn't read the CDC article real well. Try this again and this time take your time. I won't go on about your teaching credentials, but I wager to bet you're a public educator.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Tuesday, Jan. 27, 6:10 pm: You must agree that most gays have some sort of STD or health related issue pertaining to their lifestyle.

    FYI, looking wasn't that hard.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike-
    Show me the post where I said most gays have an STD? I'd be curious. Be sure to put the EXACT quote. Happy looking...

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, I didn't ignore them, you did. You take the study from the CDC and say that it says most gays have an STD...um, nope. You are going to tell me what most likely happened with my life experience, and that most likely my friends are lying to me, then tell me I am full of pride? Check yourself dude, you're losing it.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike -
    You're pride is driving suicidal tendencies, not the Exodus ministries. You had to leave more likely because you chose to live your live against a loving God.

    Any study I sent you has been from the APA, CDC and other legit and verifiable sources. You chose to ignore them. Go on - live your life the way you think and we'll see what happens.

    Best regards.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:09 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Rolln, doubtful, but you keep hoping for those pedophiles to be legalized huh? Exodus is a complete joke that twists their studies and harms many. Yes, I do know people who have gone through it, and yes, I have been subject to an "ex-gay" ministry and as I've said many times before, no matter how much prayer, I was driven further and further towards suicide. It disgusts me that people like you would rather see someone kill themselves pretending to be straight then live a healthy, normal life being open about who they are. You do not care how many people you harm with your lies or love cloaked in hatred. You are not a Christian, you simply cling to something desperately to which you belong. A real Christian speaks with love, you speak ignorantly about studies which you cannot even grasp correctly.

    Are you aware that the cofounder of Exodus has publicly apologized for creating such a group and admits that he knows of many who have been hurt by his ministry?

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike -

    You said you are struggling? Is this true? And with what?

    Exodus, since I know you don't know anyone that has been through this program, has been around for years and have brought peace and deliverance to countless people struggling with sexual issues. APA is a joke. Years ago they had countless studies showing the harm that homosexuality causes, then all of a sudden - pooof; from out of nowhere homosexuality is fine. This is a joke. They can manipulate whatever they want to be true and to fit whatever way the wind is blowing. That's why I'm saying that it won't be long and they'll have "studies" that "prove" pedophiles are fine and sex with animals is actually fine too.

  • Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:49 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, I'm not going to trust you and your stereotypes about my circle of friends. Where does this constant need to be an expert on a subject you know nothing about come from? Exodus is a horrendous organization with an astronomical failure rate because they practice a form of counseling banned by the APA. Reparative therapy is dangerous and in the majority of cases doesn't work. The only reason you think it does is because the studies they falsely publish make things coincide with your Bible, so perhaps its you with those rose glasses. I see things in reality. I see that many, many gays cannot change (although I will admit, sexual orientation comes from different places for different people, so there are some that come out as gay but perhaps weren't born that way, similar to people who aren't born with a disability, develop one during their lifetime and eventually are healed.) Do not attempt to twist my words into saying I admitted everyone can turn straight or that being gay is a disability. As I said in my other post, being gay is not something destructive, although the choices you make as a person, gay or straight, can be destructive.

    I pray that you will open your heart. Telling someone who is a Christian that they are not pushes them away from God, not bring them closer, which should be your mission. You need to seriously, seriously reflect on what I just said and your actions and words on this website. God will not be pleased with those who, through their own pride, push those struggling to follow farther away from him.

  • Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike -

    I don't think you spend a lot of time reading through those research on this topic, but the gay community (many of them admitting the problem) know they have a problem. Remember, you say you know of, but trust me there are more than likely many more in your circle of friends that are lying to you or don't know themselves. You're a bit on the naive side of things. You only seeing things through rose colored glasses, so you're probably young. I can tell you're trying to paint yourself a rosy world in saying that you're a Christian. Afterall, maybe if you keep telling people and yourself that you're a Christian then maybe you'll be one. NOT! You're going to hit a reality wall at some point. Repent from your lifestyle and be a witness to those that need you. Exodus is a good place to start.

  • Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:33 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, there are many in the gay community who are promiscuous. That does not mean many in the gay community have STDs. In fact, out of all of my gay friends, only one has herpes and one has HIV. I also know of a straight girl who has herpes. 1 out of 4 teen girls has an STD, does that mean most teen girls have an STD? Certainly not. You need to look at statistics in a realistic light.

  • Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike -
    There you go again; hate, hate, hate ...

    You must agree that most gays have some sort of STD or health related issue pertaining to their lifestyle. Per capita, gays have by far the most STD or sexual related disease issues than any other part of the population. Read for yourself:

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Press_Releases/STDGay2000.htm

    Oh, and pass me the soap - straight up, please. :)

  • Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:58 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I hope so! I'd love to see you behind bars, just don't drop the soap or you may learn more than you wanted to know (joking.) Its not gay sex that is a societal health problem, is promiscuity. Gays aren't to blame for every STD problem, nor are they to blame for all of HIV/AIDS, although you have so much hatred in your heart that you can't see anything wrong the straight community. Its always those awful, awful gays, isn't it? You can't be gay and be an amazing human being, can you? Your mind is clouded from reality.

  • Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike -

    Concerned about gay sex positions? Yes I am. The mere perversion of gay sex is of vital concern for societal health and stability. I'm trying to keep the topic in discussion because it won't be long and even mentioning gay in the same sentence as perversion will be illegal.

  • Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Then they are wrong. People can judge people all day and it means nothing. People trying to relay vital information is another thing, and what God commands of us.

  • Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Actually John, I am being judged, and many are quite brazen in being the first to admit that.

  • Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    According to the Christian bible, God's Word, and your admitted lifestyle, you are lost and will not inherit the kingdom of God. The Christian people here are not judging you, but simply telling you what God's word says. You can twist the meaning of the bible until your hearts content, but it will not change the mind of God, and where you wind up spending eternity.

  • Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:28 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Rolln, you are so very concerned with the positions of gay sex...how come?

    John, I'm not lost, I'm just tired of people like you trying to tell me I am.

  • Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Yea, no...that did nothing, but good attempt. Like I said, pray God's will be done, not yours."

    Then you are lost. This according to God's word - not me or anyone else trying to help you here.

  • Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike -

    You're way too much into yourself. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out gay sex in its orthodox position. My overall picture of gay sex vs hetero sex is that for their respective positions, gay sex can't even look at their partner in the eye (I wouldn't want to either as shameful as the it is) whereas heteros (missionary) position allows for ultimate intimacy.

    Don't look into it too much - you tend to take many posts personally when those post are directed in a general and factual sense.

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