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Education|Tue, Nov. 25 2008 12:03 PM EST

Scholar: Why Do Good in a Hopeless World?

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Why do good in what seems to be a hopeless world, posed one top biblical scholar and author to students at Harvard University.

  • Wright
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    Anglican Bishop N.T. Wright speaks at Harvard University during a Nov. 18-20,2008 outreach event, sponsored by InterVarsity Christian Fellowship.

In a post-September 11 world where the AIDS crisis and now the credit crisis are ailing millions, "why should we try to make a difference at all?" asked Anglican Bishop N.T. Wright. "Why should we try to do good ... to create good things out there in the world when in fact all the hope that our society has lived on seems to be imploding all around us?"

Ultimately, it's the belief and hope that the world will be good and ordered as it was in the beginning.

"The point of creation in the Bible is that the world as we have it is essentially a good place," Wright said. "One of the worrying things about some creationists is that having said the world was created in [six] days, that's all they're really interested in, and then the name of the game is to leave the world behind ... and let it go to hell while we go off somewhere else called heaven. If you were a genuine creationist, you shouldn't be thinking like that. The point of the stories in Genesis is not the chronology of how it was done but the why that it was done."

Wright was speaking at a Nov. 18-20 evangelistic outreach at the Harvard campus in Cambridge, Mass. The event was sponsored by InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, a nationwide evangelical campus organization, which aimed to engage students and faculty in dialogue on questions regarding life's ultimate purposes and Christianity's claims regarding hope.

Contrary to popular belief, heaven is not the end of the world or the ultimate goal, Wright stated. It's just phase one. Further down, there's a "new heaven and new earth" – in other words, a renewal or recreation of the cosmos, he explained. He called it a "world put to rights."

And humans are a part of that remaking.

"Whether you think we're the product of blind chance, a random blip of evolutionary mutation, or whether you think we are the deliberate creation of a good and wise God, as Jews and Christians have always taught, you can't get away from the fact that most humans most of the time think of their life as having some kind of purpose," said Wright, author of Surprised by Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church.

That purpose is not just to prepare for heaven and hope that on the day of Jesus' return everything will be made right again. Instead, it's making changes right now and taking steps until the entire cosmos is renewed and "rescued from slavery," as Wright put it, citing the Old Testament passage of the Israelites being rescued from slavery in Egypt and reaching the promised land.

"There is no reason to despair. The God who made the world still loves the world and He is calling us ... to share in the work of putting it straight at last," said Wright, who taught New Testament studies for 20 years at Cambridge, McGill and Oxford Universities. "And what we do in the present in this world matters because it can be part of the new world when God remakes the whole thing."

Speaking to current events, Wright highlighted the election of America's first black president and the change that many expect will come with a Barack Obama administration. "Change is the word on everybody's lips," Wright acknowledged. "What's it going to mean?"

"What change is going to come about through the election not only of the first black man to be your president but a man who embodies and articulates a very different view of the world and our role within it?"

Also, as the United States stands at the cusp of key issues, including the economy and global power, what happens in the coming years may set a course for America and the rest of the world, Wright noted.

He warned that in the midst of several crises, America and the world face the danger of making changes just for pragmatic and short-term reasons ... to cherish only a small-scale hope.

We shouldn't address these issues by trying to move just one or two steps, Wright said, but we should take steps toward something much more long-term – the hope of a world put to rights. And change isn't going to come, he indicated, without hope and without the Holy Spirit.

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  • mike »
    Tue Dec 02, 2008 4:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to daniel paul
    are the multi million $$$ & luxury cars these pastors & televangelists eternal things?
    and what about bush? did he made an impact to the world who supposedly profess to be following christ?

  • Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Start thinking of eternal things, not the things of this world that is perishing! Point them to Jesus, the only hope of eternal salvation."

    People who follow Jesus make an impact on their world everywhere they go....

  • DRJ »
    Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:10 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Wright said, "There is no reason to despair. The God who made the world still loves the world and He is calling us ... to share in the work of putting it straight at last," said Wright, who taught New Testament studies for 20 years at Cambridge, McGill and Oxford Universities. "And what we do in the present in this world matters because it can be part of the new world when God remakes the whole thing." Personally, it seams that you all are for the most part unaware that the Lord Jesus is about to reappear and rapture His believers out very, very soon. Therefore, the primary goal of every Christian (as we hasten toward the conclusion of our earthly ministries) must be to share the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ with those who have yet to come to a saving knowledge of His grace and love for all people. The world is NOT GOING TO GET BETTER!!! (Bishop) Wright labors under a delusion that we can make THIS world a better place through humanitarian efforts based on our love for one another. The ONLY efforts we MUST make are the spreading of the GOOD NEWS that God loves every person and desires a personal and eternal relationship with them through Jesus, His Son. THE TIME IS SHORT! Stop trying to be humanitarian and start being the servants of God that He has called you to be. Start thinking of eternal things, not the things of this world that is perishing! Point them to Jesus, the only hope of eternal salvation. Amen?

  • Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Guess you got klipped out too! "

    That's weird! It was all there when I posted it....

    My point was that chance to us isn't chance to God. This is why He rules over chance. Many things are created things. Chance is one of them. Chance would be quite a unique creation from God as the concept does NOT apply to Him. Scheaffer wrote that height, width, depth and time are created things. This is how God can always have been and be every where. The confines of dimensions, beginning and ends do not apply to the One who created them. Neither does chance. Chance only has a part from our end of things.

  • Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    vi, I don't think with God chance exists since He is all-knowing and has known all things for all eternity, I tell people that their are several words and phrases that we'll never hear from God, such as, well I'll be, now how did that happen, or most importantly whoops!

  • Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi Daniel,
    Guess you got klipped out too! I am not concerned with how we view chance...but how God views it! God claims to rule over it completely (P. 16:33). How can creationists insist that chance is "blind"? That's about all I can say.

  • Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "we don't know about including chance;"

    Even within chance there is a created set of parameters. Having done some programming before the days of Windows there was a command 'random' which allowed the computer to pick a number at 'random' between 0 and 9. Still, the options were limited and could be used for various outcomes. It gave an appearance of chance but not as much as one would think.

    We view things as random or chance from the ‘user’ side of things. It is not so from the creators side of things. The creator may use randomness as a variable but it is still completely accounted for.

  • Thu Nov 27, 2008 11:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    chicago, your concern can be summed up in one word, sin. Maybe not the direct result of one's personal sin but rather the consequence of the sin soaked world we live in.
    Hope you and yours are having a blessed and safe Thanksgiving, believer

  • Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer: Good point, pointing out the difference between selfish and self-service acts.

    Sometimes I just get despondent over all the affliction in the world. I still struggle with the age-old question as to why there is so much suffering among the innocent.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I could only guess. I think God probably has many ways of creating that we don't know about including chance; I just don't like to leave any scripture out...that can't be right!

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    vi, I see that verse saying that there is no such thing as chance with God, because He's all-knowing, His plans and purposes take in consideration all the choices we make and the consequences of those choices as well as the circumstances we'll encounter along the way. In other words nothing surprises God. And do you see evolution as God's means of creation to include mankind?

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi, Violetta! Let me guess...you're typing and then it just posts by itself before you are done.... In my case it just resets to a blank page and I lose all that I had typed! It's just a problem with the system I suppose. Many have mentioned it from time to time.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi fellow believer,

    I'm talking about chance as defined in the Bible. The article I referenced quoted Pv.16:33 "The lot is cast into the lap, yet it's every decision is from the Lord"
    The point it makes is that those who reject evolution as "blind" chance, which only leaves out theistic evolutionists as far as I can see, deny the explicit Word of God which declares that He personally makes every chance (random, define it as you will) decision.
    This seems to say that chance mutations, aren't blind at all, and could be a way that God guides everything we see in nature...a sort of internal and ongoing process of design.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    vi, please define what you mean by chance?

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yikes! It happened again.

    Google: "Intelligent Design Rules Out God's Sovereignty Over Chance" It says that according to the Bible, chance has always been considered God's own choice.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi again,
    Sorry, this dropped out of my comment:
    ..."accidental" evolution.You might enjoy this from today’s Google News:


    Intelligent Design Rules Out God's Sovereignty Over Chance
    Gather.com, MA - Nov 22, 2008

    “What proponents of so-called intelligent design have cynically omitted in their polemic is that according to Biblical tradition, chance has always been considered God's choice as well.”

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi all,

    Many agree that faith and science can coexist beautifully if we really want them to. But why do Christians, even on this blog, continually promote what has been pointed out the astonishing biblical heresy of “accidentalism?” You might enjoy this think piece from today’s Google News:


    Intelligent Design Rules Out God's Sovereignty Over Chance
    Gather.com, MA - Nov 22, 2008

    “What proponents of so-called intelligent design have cynically omitted in their polemic is that according to Biblical tradition, chance has always been considered God's choice as well.”

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "we as humans do good works "

    That which we call good is not always Godly. That's the difference.

    As for why do good in a hopeless world...Jesus did good to give us hope. Hope is found in Godly good. The hopeless state of the world is a simple cause and effect. The hope of the world is directly perportional to the amount of Godly works done in it.

    Give someone hope this season...do something Godly...love your neighbor as yourself.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    chicago, but that feeling of joy, peace, and contentment to me is part of being created in the image of God and that's why even non-believers can experience these same feelings. But I do agree if there was no personal benefit many if not all of us would probably do few if any random acts of kindness. But I see a huge difference between selfish and self-serving benefits and simply experiencing God's joy, peace, and contentment as a result of doing good to others and for God.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 10:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Believer: Good to hear from you.
    While I believe in God, I think it's interesting that whether or not God exists, we as humans do good works because it ultimately benefits us in the long run. I've thought about this a lot and I don't think we necessarily do good works because we were made in the image of God, but because as humans with highly evolved brains, we innately know that it will benefit us (individually and as a society) in the long run.
    You love God and find peace and joy from doing good, but finding peace and joy is pleasurable to you and, therefore, a benefit.
    It may sound a bit cold, but I think we all ultimately "do good" because of personal benefit. Believers and non-believers alike.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 1:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Philo: Thanks for the honest answer. And yes, it would get boring. I hope you can one day begin to see the truth behind all of this TALK as I did not so long ago.

    We Christians are very unreasonable by your standards because the Gospel is a scandal... always has been.
    You may see it as unreasonable, but no more than the idea that I started out as a rock. The multitudes of Christians who have died for this "unreasonableness"; from the most brilliantly gifted genius to the humble oaf, could all agree on at least one thing: The God of the Christian faith is real. What synchronicity of thought and emotion, stretching hand over hand over hand to the beginning of time! The countless unrecorded acts of love and kindness done only to glorify the Father! Nothing alike can be said of anything else in this world.
    Philo, we'll be praying for you.

  • Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:29 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    chicago, how have you been? But back to the issue God's Great Commandment gives us the primary reason we should do good because we wholeheartedly love Him and we love others. I can't think of a time when I do something out of love for God or others that I didn't feel true peace, joy, and contentment and I also remember how I felt when I do things cause I had to or for selfish reason, I felt no real joy, peace, or contentment. I also believe even as a non-believer one can do things for the right reason and motive because every human being is created in the image of God and I believe doing the right thing is a part of that image but too often primarily as a non-believer but even as a believer we put self ahead of both God and others. Our sin nature can be a real jerk!

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I recommend you do some research on cosmology and astronomy. The copernican principle has long been refuted and disproven. The earth is extremely special in both location and form."

    ????? The Copernican system has been refuted?? The earth no longer goes around the sun?? The solar system didn't condense out of a cloud of gas and dust? I'm not sure what you are saying here, and for the rest of your comments, I'm sorry you don't see the possibility of morality or joy in an evolutionary worldview, but that's your right, I guess. Rather close-minded of you, but what the heck.

    aaron.e:

    I don't comment on many of the threads here, 'cause what's the point? I generally prefer sites that are a touch more reasonable then this one, but without an occasional dissenting voice wouldn't it be boring here?

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Oh my! Futile? No hope? Well, I do believe we are the product of evolution, and the sun WILL go out (in another 5 billion years or so), and yes, the human race WILL cease to exist at some point. Sorry, but I don't see how any of these facts have anything to do with how I view my roll or purpose in the world."

    Philo-You seem to contradict yourself a little bit here. If like you say you believe we are a product of evolution, you and I have no purpose at all. So that fact has EVERYTHING to do your "role and purpose" in this world... because if evolution is true... you have no role... no purpose...no meaning, just a lonely blip on the radar screen, here today gone tomorrow.

    "We are passengers on what is probably one of millions of inhabited planets in the universe, and our species is about two million years into a life span that could be nearly over. So what!"

    I recommend you do some research on cosmology and astronomy. The copernican principle has long been refuted and disproven. The earth is extremely special in both location and form.

    "Here's how I manage to find purpose and meaning in my life, even though I believe there is nothing coming after it is over. To the extent that the world is miserable, I endeavor to make it less so, and to the extent it is joyful, I endeavor to make it more so."

    Whether or not you make the world better or more joyful (wonderful concepts) is irrelevant. Because the concept of JOY does not exist in an evolutionary worldview... Simply random chemical reactions in your brain, no beauty, no love, no hope, no joy... just chemical reactions. A miserable world is only miserable because we have an innate sense of GOOD, and can discern it from evil (Our God-given moral law)... what is the evil that makes the world miserable? Simply a lack of good (the definition of evil).

    Without God, we have no basis to judge good or evil. Or to say what is miserable or joyful. They are merely our own interpretations... which cannot be judged right or wrong by anyone (the postmodern perspective)... so who is to say anything is miserable at all.

    Sorry if it sounds harsh, but it's the truth my friend.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Aaron and JCH,
    Recommend you check out Randy Alcorn's book, "Heaven." And Randy is NOT a liberal theologian.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Philo,

    Wow! I am really curious as to why you posted that here, on the forum of an online Christian (well... that can be questionable at times) news source? Of course you have every right to. I am not challenging that at all, in fact, I would invite you here if I could! But, what was your motivation to post your comments here? Please bear in mind that I am not questioning your opinions, I am wondering what motivated you to contribute here.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "If we are the product of blind chance or evolution, there is NO hope - we just cease to exist when we die and will soon be forgotten. Eventually the sun will go out and the human race will cease to exist and be forgotten. Everything is futile if there is no God"

    Oh my! Futile? No hope? Well, I do believe we are the product of evolution, and the sun WILL go out (in another 5 billion years or so), and yes, the human race WILL cease to exist at some point. Sorry, but I don't see how any of these facts have anything to do with how I view my roll or purpose in the world.

    We are passengers on what is probably one of millions of inhabited planets in the universe, and our species is about two million years into a life span that could be nearly over. So what!

    Here's how I manage to find purpose and meaning in my life, even though I believe there is nothing coming after it is over. To the extent that the world is miserable, I endeavor to make it less so, and to the extent it is joyful, I endeavor to make it more so.

    Why is any more of a purpose or meaning necessary?

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JCH - I whole heartedly agree. I don't think it would be prudent to cut and paste the entire book of Revelation right here, but if you have any doubts about the validity of JCH's claims, Revelation may be a good place to start.

    Every "good" thing we try and do, every good work, must be to the glory and honor of our heavenly Father and in the name of Jesus Christ. He will do with it what He will. Satan is the slanderer and the accuser. Everything I say and do must be with God at the forefront of my thoughts. Why? because my own will is tainted by my wickedness and when I do anything without God's will in mind, or whilst resting on my own supposed strength, and though I am a Christian, I give Satan opportunity to slander God and His children to the unsaved.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Calvin,
    And how exactly is Bishop Wright wrong in what he says? God promises to renew His creation--not destroy it. And is it true? the "world" ceased to be good? I think you are proving Wright's point.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:38 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Have you noticed how N.T. Wright speaks in a manner that intimates that God is just going to "dust off" this world and make everything tidy?

    God's Word is clear,

    2 Peter 3:10-13
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


    Revelation 21:1
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    Apparently, the problem is that N.T. Wright refuses to take God's Word literally, and that is sad.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    /Quote - - - -
    "The point of creation in the Bible is that the world as we have it is essentially a good place," Wright said.
    - - - - End Quote/

    At one time, the world was in fact "good". But the moment Adam disobeyed God and sin entered into this world, the world ceased to be "good".

    N.T. Wright might be considered by the public to be a "scholar" but he is wrong.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The Question posed is, "Why do good in a hopeless world?"

    1 Corinthians 15:58
    58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

    Galatians 6:9
    9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

    Any other questions?

  • mike »
    Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    what is good? define it. it is to broad, vague & generalize.

  • Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    If we are living and doing good simply in the hope of eternal life, then that would seem like a 'quid pro quo' sort of existence.

    Wouldn't it be much more meritorious to do good on earth if you did NOT believe in God or any chance of eternal life? Several of the saints did so. St. Teresa of Calcutta and St. Therese of Lisieux come to mind.

  • Rhys »
    Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    We should be doing good simply because God tells us to and because He is living in and through us.
    The idea we are going to bring about a new earth by our own efforts is foolish. The Bible is clear that things are going to get worse until God Himself steps in to put them right. The New Heaven and New Earth are entirely God's creation, not ours.
    If we are the product of blind chance or evolution, there is NO hope - we just cease to exist when we die and will soon be forgotten. Eventually the sun will go out and the human race will cease to exist and be forgotten. Everything is futile if there is no God.

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