Updated 03:31 pm.EST, Tue November 24, 2009

Church|Tue, Dec. 02 2008 12:15 PM EST

Breakaway Anglicans Aim for Less Division with New Province

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Minns labeled the new body as "orthodox, Anglican, mission-minded, biblically-centered."

"I would it's basically a fairly traditional Anglicanism with a passion for mission," he briefly explained.

But without recognition from the Archbishop of Canterbury – the spiritual leader of the Anglican Communion – some say the new province is not keeping with Anglican tradition.

In that sense, Minns, along with several other conservative leaders, are calling for some new structures and hope their efforts will help move the Communion past the colonial era.

"I think part of the problem right now is that the Anglican Church is a global church. It started as an outgrowth of England. But in that sense, I think we’re not post-colonial," Minns noted. "So I think what we’re looking for is a structure that reflects that where there’s genuine authority given to people other than the Archbishop of Canterbury."

"For example, the primate of the Church of Nigeria, there’s 20 million members there," he continued. "It’s a far bigger province than any other province. The idea somehow that he has to ask permission from the Archbishop of Canterbury to do anything is a bit silly. It’s also a bit of the old colonial mindset."

"We’re an international church and yet right now the leadership still looks like the old British Empire. So that needs to change."

Minns will join leaders of the Common Cause Partnership, a federation representing more than 100,000 Anglican Christians in North America, at Wheaton Evangelical Free Church in Wheaton, Ill., on Dec. 3 to unveil the draft constitution for the new province and to also reaffirm biblical truth and Anglican tradition.

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  • Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "We are expecting over 400,000 Anglicans to be in full communion all at once if this goes through..."

    Yes, praise God. If 42% of the Catholics voted for the pro-Obama abortion and infanticide president (which is what I've heard); I am hoping returning Protestants will be the the new hope since the CINOs have lost it; I love the zeal of the Protestants. Laura Ingraham was a lifelong Baptist until a few years ago; she said on the air, she went to a parish house and said to the priest "I have a lot of questions to ask you, but no way am I becoming Catholic." Well, after her conversion she now says on the radio (here's the zeal) ..."nobody better attack my Catholic faith or I'll let 'em have it."

    Bishop Sheen's quote makes so much sense: "There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they "perceive" to be the Catholic Church."

    A heckler asked Bishop Sheen a question about someone who had died. The Bishop replied, "I will ask him when I get to heaven." The heckler replied, "What if he isn't in Heaven?"

    The Bishop replied, "Well then you ask him."

    A man told Bishop Sheen he did not believe in hell. The Bishop replied, "You will when you get there."

    There were three sweet monotonies in His (Christs) life -thirty years obeying, three years teaching, three hours redeeming.

  • Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The split boils down to those who are holding to what they have been told to believe and left, while those who aren't accepting the programmed line and able to think for themselves.
    There will always be some who make claims based upon their version of the bible, this doesn't mean their version is correct, nor do they even bother to read the original texts of the Old Testament which an exact copy exist called the Torah, which hasn't been changed since it was originally written.
    The big problem of those who split is currently homosexuality, and next it will be something else since those folks NEED to have a basis to draw upon and focus on. They would be better off focusing on dealing with the hypocrisy in the fundie Republican leaders who keep violating the very rules of family values and not one of them care because if they did those politicians would be kicked to the curb.

    The fundies and evangelicals need to move on and accept that their outdated rhetoric isn't working and have no place in America. They can then finish the complete break up and those folks may then be free to find churches into Christianity and not into fascist mind control.

    http://alockslee.blogspot.com/ Don't fear the truth!

    TFR

  • Chas »
    Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Right now plans are being made to create a "Personal prelature" for Traditional Anglicans to come back home to the Catholic Church.

    We are expecting over 400,000 Anglicans to be in full communion all at once if this goes through. If it does, then this will create an avenue for millions to come back home after 500 years of sepparation.

    May they all come home.

  • Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    My dear St John, I think you and the Episcopal church are fighting a losing battle, you need to return to the faith once delivered to the saints and quit supporting homosexualism. Have a blessed day and rest in the grace of God.

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:52 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    St. John's,
    You miss this point. It isn't that these brothers and sisters don't want to stay; it's that they can't stay when the Episopal Church has taken such offense at the clear teachings of scripture on marriage and homosexuality. It isn't that they don't love people. It's that they love Jesus and His church more. It isn't that they enjoy rebellion; it is that they are called to abide by scripture.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:13 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    sj, you see the thing is this resolution came after the conservative resurgence was in place in the SBC, so doing the right thing comes with believing that the Bible in its original autographs is the God-breathed, inerrant, plenary Word of God, literally God's Word which states that God's design for marriage is one man and one woman united as one in the sight of God for life and also says that sexual intimacy is reserved for the marriage bed of one man and one woman united as one in the sight of God for life through matrimony and your denomination's view of homosexuality and same-sex marriage totally violate God's design in both areas and these churches that are leaving see that and will no longer be a part of that.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    or maybe this 'new' so-called Anglican Province will 150 years later admit the error of their ways, like the Southern Baptists, who did indeed split supporting slavery as biblical mandated.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    Ouch.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    sj, as usual close but no cigar, yes slavery was a major reason for the original split, but at the SBC Annual Meeting in I believe 2005 a resolution was overwhelming approved saying that we as a Convention were wrong with regards to our view of slavery as well as other racial biases and we are repenting of this as well as asking the forgiveness of the Afro-American community in these matters. Maybe that's what your denomination needs to do with regards to its radical disregard for God's teaching in His Word?

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    believer, those Baptists who you declared "opted to go with God" separated from their northern brethren because of the northern Baptists' opposition to slavery. Those Southern Baptists based that support for slavery upon the indisputable evidence of the Bible, a position that they have never repudiated!

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, it's sad that we have so many denominations (of which the Catholics are part of). The Pentacosts aren't the Church. Neither are the Baptists. Nor the Prebyterians. Nor the Catholics.
    The true Church of God will comprise Children from every denomination. They will be full of the glory and power of God. They will not bow to man's traditions and false doctrines, but they will walk in the light of God's Truth. They will not compromise. They will walk the highway of Holiness, and will glorify their God. He will call them His Children, and they will say "The Lord is our God."

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    sj, that's because Southern Baptists opted to go with God as opposed to go with the world as the ABC and the denominations you mentioned to include the Episcopaleans have and now those who wish to remain true to the Word of God are leaving your denomination as well.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    wbmoore, a very real schism occurred in America's churches after the Civil War. The Baptists and Methodists actually split in two, and though the Methodists are now United, the Southern Baptists have never been able to reunited with their northern counterpart. Moreover, the Methodists formed a separate denomination for their black members, originally called the Colored Methodist Church, (C.M.E.), now the Christian Methodist Church. All over Biblical interpretation about slavery! Homosexuality, like women's ordination, is just a bump in the road in comparison.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believe me, its not wishful thinking, its a fear I think is beginning to come true. I pray all Christians can come together in unity of faith based on the truth of Scripture - now THAT is wishful thinking.

  • Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    wbmoore, that's wishful thinking on your part, for it certainly doesn't look like that is happening, despite all the press headlines. The numbers of dissenters is less than women's ordination twenty years ago!

  • Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Th liberals in the anglican community will force a schism even larger than the one in the episcopal church.

  • Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    How sad, but these efforts are probably going to fail to be significant as were earlier schisms by the Reformed Episcopal Church in the 19th century, or the anti-women's groups in the 80's. Failing to abide by the Windsor Report will be their death knell as an Anglican organization, like their continued crossing of diocesan boundaries. And failing to acknowledge at least two of the four Instruments of the Unity, viz. Lambeth and the Archbishop of Canterbury, will also conflict with their claims of being the 'true' Anglican Church, even if the Nigerians and other conservatives support join them. We are an international church in the end, and Anglican Consultative Council, Lambeth, and the ABC will overrule any Primates' meeting.

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