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Society|Thu, Dec. 04 2008 09:36 AM EST

Poll: Calif. Gay Marriage Ban Driven by Religion

By Lisa Leff|Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO – Voters' economic status and religious convictions played a greater role than race and age in determining whether they supported the Nov. 4 ballot measure outlawing same-sex marriage in California, a new poll shows.

The ban drew its strongest support from both evangelical Christians and voters who didn't attend college, according to results released Wednesday by the Public Policy Institute of California.

Age and race, meanwhile, were not as strong factors as assumed. According to the poll, 56 percent of voters over age 55 and 57 percent of nonwhite voters cast a yes ballot for the gay marriage ban.

People who identified themselves as practicing Christians were highly likely to support the constitutional amendment, with 85 percent of evangelical Christians, 66 percent of Protestants and 60 percent of Roman Catholics favoring it.

The poll also showed that the measure got strong backing from voters who did not attend college (69 percent), voters who earned less than $40,000 a year (63 percent) and Latinos (61 percent).

The proposition, which passed with 52 percent of the vote, overturned the state Supreme Court's May decision legalizing gay marriage in California. The measure inserts language into the constitution limiting marriage to one man and one woman.

The poll found that, overall, 48 percent of voters oppose the idea of making gay marriage legal. Forty-seven percent support it, while 5 percent are undecided.

The results mirror previous PPIC polls from the last three years, suggesting that the $73 million spent for and against the measure did not do much to change public attitudes on allowing gay couples to wed, said survey director Mark Baldassare.

"At no point in time, before or after the election, did we have a majority of Californians saying they supported gay marriage," Baldassare said. "My takeaway from this is that until there is a major shift in public opinion one way or another, it's going to be another issue where voters are deeply divided."

Geoffrey Kors, executive director of the gay rights group Equality California, said the PPIC poll demonstrates that same-sex marriage advocates "need to make inroads in every category. If 2 percent of voters had voted differently, we would have had a different result," he said.

The poll was based on a phone survey of 2,003 California voters in the Nov. 4 election who were interviewed from Nov. 5-6. The sampling error was plus or minus 2 percentage points.

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  • Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jh,

    I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. In a sense, as we begin to lose trust in the Lord, we begin to fear others, and everything else.

    If I am wrong regarding the genetics, I will still trust in the Lord, for my God is omnipotent and can do all things which He pleases to do.

    Yet, this fear, the fear that comes and festers when one does not believe in the Triune God, leads to interesting conditions.

    What we fail to see is that the West has become what it is because of the ability of Westerners to relate or to network. This has been a strength and at the same time when the relating becomes Christless, it becomes a great weakness.

    The Gospel speaks of our union with Christ. Christ prays that we may remain united in spirit...and it is interesting to note that communion follows The implications are that only in union with Christ can we have communion with Him and His body.

    Yet, for those who do not believe in the Triune God, communion is still extremely important.

    In my opinion, it then follows, that in order to have true communion, people will find a need for a union, in order to find true acceptance...
    Hence, homosexuality in this case derives from a need to be able to connect or commune with those around us...

    To alleviate the fear, and therefore to have communion, sex is chosen, whether male or female.

    To place God first, takes all other fears away, and ultimately removes our society from the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah...where their fear drove them to seek union with all strangers setting foot on their land.

    This is my theory on some of the reasons for homosexual deeds/behaviour. Ultimately it is learned, and there may be other and better reasons.

  • Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Although the New Testament promise allows for marriage between races and for us to eat pork and not holding the Sabath sacred(we now find our rest in Jesus)as God said to peter in Acts 10:15 "And a voice [spoke] to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."" It does not remove the restrictions of Murder, lieing or theft as well as it does not remove the restrictions of homosexuality.

  • Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Any racial prohibition against marriage was strictly for the Children of Israel so that they would stand out from other nations as Gods People. No different then the ban on pork and holding the sabath sacred. The New testament included the oppertunity for Gentiles to become Children of God with the the sacrfice of Christ being the payment for our sins as long as the person accepts Jesus as Lord and saviour, repenting of his sins and walking in the ways of Christ.
    I

  • Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Delight,

    Why don't you ask God about "eternal security"? I think we ought to whenever we are in doubt. As for myself, God has always provided me with answers. Though sometimes, (most of the times), I stubornly refuse to accept his answers as it compromises with my human pride and dignity. Sometimes, it takes experiences to help me understand God's answers. Sometimes, only by learning from the people I talk to (like all of you here), I come to understand God's intentions. Nonetheless, God would always give us an answer.

    All the best in your quest for the understanding of "eternal security!"

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    While I feel strongly about marriage being between a man and a woman...I also feel that as Christian's, we have to believe that we have choices, and so does everyone else. If you say no to someone, they're going to find a way to do it anyway. Gay marriage is morally wrong...so are a lot of things that the person sitting next to you in church are doing. The cheating husband/wife, the porn-addict, the gambler...they are all sin in God's eyes...yet there is no 'state law' saying any of it is 'unlawful', and we do it anyway!!! As Christians, we need to love one another, no matter what. Pray for eachother...but bottom line, let people make their own choices, for they will be judged in the end.

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    sane; you said, (Oh im sorry that I have a brain-stem and can think for myself rather than blindly believe someone Else's interpretation of the word of God)

    The Bible speaks of marriage as being between a man and a woman . . . how is this blindly believing someone elses interpretation?

    Can you provide a passage that speaks to the contrary?

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Sane

    As I try to make sense of what your belief is, I want to know what god, not God, but god small g you know? You can't want to stay a homosexual and say God approves of my lifestyle and we all just tip toe through the tulips! Before I came to Christ I did not approve of the perverted lifestyle of homosexuality or anything else that goes away from how God intended us to reprocreate. If God intended for that to be the world would still have two lonely stank hairy dudes and no fruit of their labor which is children. I can't say that I have never sinned though I thank God for His Grace. I think the God that we all truly know does give a person to make a choice right or wrong and we can't fault them for that choice. But we don't have to accept their choice to force the public opinion to accept it and that is when we have a right to fight anything that perverts the natural way of things. You are not a child of God and claim to be gay because God calls it perverted and an abomination. You are not a friend of God and friends with the world. All of this is scripture so don't bring our God, who you have don't know,into something that set LAW against. We will pray that those in the homosexual community who desire to change their lifestyle and live for God heed our warning that includes accepting salvation.

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:23 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    No one is trying to ban homosexuality, in fact it is what we expect for non believers; read Roman 1.

    For a person to call himself a Christian and not feel the conviction of God or the chastisment of a loving Father is illegitmate: Hebrew 12:8.

    "But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons."

    I just love the fiery rheoteric of 'Hitler' and denying blacks their rights; the Bible never says it's an obmination to intermingle the races, rather that all men have been created equal.

    Same-sex marriage is not a Civil Right but a cultural one.

    And yes, it does infringe on my rights by allowing society to embrace what God has called an obination of homosexual love through a counterfeit marriage,as I am not able to have a voice in my child's education once this obomination is leagalized.

    And further, we are not the one's trying to overthrow the will of the people but rather the other way around.

    Spread your leaven of 'tolerance' all you want to; you have nothing new or even profound to say, you just like to type.

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    oh and as far as lowering American's morals, yes I do agree that allowing someone to be with the one that they love is truly an act that should not be allowed.

    (Sarcasm Intended)

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:59 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Oh im sorry that I have a brain-stem and can think for myself rather than blindly believe someone Else's interpretation of the word of God. It's funny how you say that your being oppressed by the homosexual community, I also suppose you were also being oppressed by the black community when they wanted equal rights of marriage also. It is really funny to me how some people can never change, it was also said that it was an abomination to God to allow the races to mix. This is no different, different situation same argument. It is funny to me how Jesus' message of loving and forgiveness get interpenetrated by morons who have nothing better to do than to oppress others because it impacts their view of a perfect society. You know who else had the same idea of banning homosexual relationships..... Hitler, So why don't you go to your Nazi party and talk about how allowing someone else the basic right of being with the one they love causes you so much pain.

    Now I know that people are going to say that it is not the same but it really is, you are not being oppressed, if these people were to be married nothing would change in your neighborhood, nothing will be taken away from your marriage. You won't find men on your doorstep having relations just to spite you. The only thing that will change is America will take a step in the right direction for justice and equality for all, not just those whose beliefs are the same as yours.

    BTW on the whole gay marriage right as far as America goes we are ignorant as a people to not have it as a law, good in God's eyes or not, because having a law allowing it gives the option, while having a law banning it forces everyone to make the same choice. Let me explain more if we are to have the law banning we would be forcing everyone to follow your beliefs system but if it was allowed you could still not get gay married and you could insist your children not be the same but people who deem it acceptable could still have their freedom to make a choice. And lets face it America was founded on the principles of freedom and against the act of forcing beliefs unto another.

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sane,

    Thank you for the dazzling display of the fruits of the Spirit in your post. Funny, I've never heard Jesus tell His disiples to 'to shove it' or to keep their 'mouths shut'.

    'Christians' who post like you, who have a false idea of who God is, are just a dime a dozen and Jesus says of you, "I never knew you, depart from me."

    If you knew the God of the Bible then you would understand what His Word says and the need in this present day to stand up for and hold out His standard in this dark world.

    Additionally, if you actually knew what was going on or even bother to think out the consequences, you would see that rather than true Christians oppressing homosexuals it is the radical homosexuals who are oppressing us and society and causing this nation to further decline through moral debasement, which is not OK with MY GOD..

    The Christians are not the one's 'oppressing' the vote of the people. Go play with your Ouigi board and depart from us.

  • Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Please people the God that I know wants to include all people . Everyone who supports this is no better than the slavers and racists of the old days. Oppressing one group of people just because they are not the same as you... Shame. The god that I know in all of his infinite might and glory teaches understanding not to single out anyone. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, so until you lead a sinnless life you can SHOVE IT and stop dictating what people should do just because it doesn't fit into your perfect view of society. (and FYI no one is with out sin so everyone should probably keep their mouth shut)

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Yet another good reason to reject religion-leads to oppression.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    One delicious irony about this year's election is that, while more blacks than usual turned out to vote for Barack Hussein Obama, that same demographic also voted against Prop 8 in California and likely determined the outcome.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (Ones race and college education tend to shape ones morals in this day in age.)

    So it seems . . . to bad they do not allow Gods Word to shape them just the same . . .

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:16 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    The voting public probably doesn't understand what the "gay agenda" is.

    Perhaps we can get together some "money people" who could provide mail out literature to all the voters and lots of political signs that will have people thinking:

    1) "what WILL marriage mean now?"
    2) "Do you want your child to be taught that parents marriage and homo marriage is equally valid?"

    Or more to the point: "do you still want the choice to affect your child's education in what is taught regarding a religious and moral issue by such a radical group via the public school?"

    It's an absolute shame that in order for parents to be heard objecting to what's being taught to their children is through a long and tedious court process. Such cases are now going on in Mass and will continue as uneducated voters blithley vote "gay rights" because it makes them feel all fuzzy inside to be so politically correct....'I'm such a good person'.

    If the voters in Mass had to consider the ramification of same sex education meaning they've given up even more of a right to have a say in their puplic school curriculum by supporting it; how many would have changed their vote?

    If the voters would think out the consequences of what their vote will mean, the numbers would be higher among non-religious people voting against same-sex marriage, too.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:29 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    I always chuckle when the homosexuals wonder what we mean by gay agenda. All you have to do is read the websites of groups like Equality California or Soulforce. Notice that, unlike Christian organizations, gay organizations are only out to promote themselves; never out to help others - only their own. It's a very selfish and self-centered agenda - only this can be associated with Satan himself.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ones race and college education tend to shape ones morals in this day in age. So, it is absurd that they didn't think that race or college education tended to play a part. Still, it's a survey which is a numbers and category game.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What does race and college education have to do with voting according to ones moral beliefs?

    This is absurd . . .

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    This story? Well, duh!!! Marriage is a religious institution before God. It is in most cultures world wide. So, of course religious people would tend to vote for it.

    "Geoffrey Kors--same-sex marriage advocates "need to make inroads in every category."

    This translates into if Christians don't want Prop 8 overturned in CA they need to make inroads into every category to make sure people understand the real issues that the pro-gay agenda camp wants to take away the civil rights of straight people to freely practice their religious beleifs.

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The "inroads" in every category would mean...what?

    They've already indoctrinated the "college educated" and now they are propagandizing our school aged children from kindergarden on for future generations of 'indoctrinated' citizens.

    Be careful for what you ask for gay activists, you just may get more than you baragained for:

    "For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."

  • Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:17 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Geoffrey Kors, executive director of the gay rights group Equality California, said the PPIC poll demonstrates that same-sex marriage advocates "need to make inroads in every category. If 2 percent of voters had voted differently, we would have had a different result," he said.

    inroads ~ I'm all for the attempt to change minds ~ just don't suggest "Christians" need to stay on the backroads.

    Let's have a go at it ~ changing minds, that is. Perhaps even hearts.

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