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Society|Tue, Dec. 09 2008 02:02 PM EST

Hundreds Protest Atheist Sign at Wash. Capitol

By Elena Garcia|Christian Post Reporter

Hundreds rallied outside the Washington Capitol on Sunday to protest a holiday sign erected by a group of atheists that disparages religion as a "myth" and declares there is no God.

A crowd of 500 protesters gathered on the Capitol's steps to decry the sign which Gov. Chris Gregoire had permitted an atheist group to include as part of a Christmas-themed display inside the rotunda.

The sign states, “At this season of the Winter Solstice, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.”

Freedom from Religion Foundation, the group that installed the sign, said the display was to promote the Winter's Solstice. Dan Barker, co-president of the Wisconsin group, however has also described the display as "an attack on religion," kgw.com reported.

Protesters sang Christmas carols while area Christian pastors participating in the rally prayed. Demonstrators also held signs that bore Christmas-filled messages like "Jesus is the reason for the season" and "We say Merry Christmas." One sign portrayed Gregoire as the grinch.

Steve Wilson, who organized the rally, said he thought the message of the atheist display was offensive to people of all religions.

"When it comes to disparaging my faith on public property, that's where I draw the line," Wilson told the Associated Press.

His mother, Susan, however, emphasized that they were not protesting religions but the atheists sign.

“We’re not with the groups that brought the signs, ‘Atheists go to hell,’” she told The Olympian. “We love everyone and let’s be kind to one another. … This was a way our family decided that we had to stand up for Jesus.”

The rally on Sunday represented only a small dose of national outrage growing over anti-religion displays.

A spokesman of the governor's office has told The Seattle Times it received over 200 calls an hour following the sign's debut last week.

The controversial sign went missing on Friday and turned up a few hours later at a Seattle radio station where one of radio hosts had been discussing the sign.

Gregoire, who is Christian, has said that while she doesn't agree with the message of the display, the state must allow all viewpoints to be represented on public property if one viewpoint is permitted.

“But just because you must represent everyone in the state doesn’t mean that you put up with intolerance from the people that you represent," countered Rev. Kenneth Hutcherson, the pastor of Antioch Bible Church, which has put up a pro-religion sign to respond to the atheist one.

Antioch's sign reads: "There is one God. There is one Devil. There are angels, a heaven and hell. There is more than our natural world. Atheism is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

Both signs are now on display near a nativity scene and other religious displays. The atheist sign now also includes a posting that reads: "Thou Shalt Not Steal, Exodus 20:15."

Bishop Council Nedd, chairman of In God We Trust, a national advocacy group that supports public displays of American history, disagrees that the atheist sign should be allowed in the Capitol.

"These signs have nothing in common with a menorah, a nativity scene or a Christmas tree. They are an attempt by anti-religious bigots to equate a belief in God with enslavement and to ridicule the majority of Americans who believe in God," he said.

Nedd said he wouldn't be surprised if the atheist group demands to place a similar sign next on the National Mall in Washington D.C. That's why he's launching a national effort to stop such an attempt. The organization is mobilizing its 60,000 supporters to lobby their governors and representatives in Washington urging them stop the atheist advertising effort.

"Why do these zealots have the right to post signs on public property attacking their countrymen?" Nedd posed. "Would anyone stand for an equally hate-filled message being posted by the Klan on Martin Luther King's Birthday? Of course not. Yet that is exactly what these atheist bigots want."

"In God We Trust will oppose any effort to place these signs in any state capital or in any government location in Washington, D.C.," Nedd pledged.

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  • Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    peaceandReason »
    Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:37 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0 Flag

    I ask all who read this to understand that I do not believe that Christianity is fact, nor do I believe any religion currently followed is fact.

    I also do not like the term atheist for my lifestyle, as it seems to cause heartache and anger among those who practice religion. The term atheist seems to imply that one is replacing a belief in a god with a belief in something else. My way of thinking could be better termed stoic or skeptical. I doubt. I do not accept faith as a qualifier for religion being true. I definitely do not accept the Bible, or any other primary religious text, as proof that god exists, or that a religion of true.

    I simply demand proof for great claims, and I believe that the greater or more extreme the claim, the greater and more amazing should be the proof. If proof does not exist then I do not claim to have the answer, I simply accept that I am not omnipotent, that there are things I cannot explain. I do not know what happens after death. I cannot say why pain or suffering fills the world.

    This is a season that is meant to celebrate peace, love, and for Christians, the birth of the savior. I do not believe as you do, however, I ask that for a short time, let us all step back, smile at one another regardless of creed or ethos, and try to find something we can all accept as true about the human condition.

    I further regret that any pain or discomfort has been felt as a result of this display in Washington State. I do, however, ask that for a moment those of the majority walk in my shoes, and consider what it is to be ridiculed, often told I am evil and worthless, simply because I do not follow your creed. In this time of celebration, why don’t we both set aside our differences and embrace as fellow humans? It would seem the kind thing to do.
    --------------------------------------------------
    In Response: Well said. Perhaps when a discussion can be held here and everyone regardless of beliefs will allow the issues to be covered in full and the knee-jerk reactions of the f&e crowd settles down it will happen. The non f&e folks try but all too often they are allowed to even state an opinion no matter what the factual reality proves and the unwillingness of the f&e crowd won't let a person express opposition as it interferes with their programming.
    TFR
    TFR

  • Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul »Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:34 pm
    Now, now ww...we have had people complaining that we are calling them labels which we thought there were calling themselves. So, this is why believer referred to it as "claiming to be" because several have come back and said "I never said I was an athiest".
    -------------------------------------------
    In Response: the f&e crowd love to label people and once they make an assumption they stick to it regardless of the fact they were very often wrong when they applied it originally. Jumping to conclusions is another thing employed by them as well, often with little to nothing to base a conclusion on they none the less are happy to follow the lemming herd of their crowd and ignore the truth even when spoon fed big helping of facts.
    Now that you know the problem DP when you going to fix your habits of doing these things? Knowing you, you still think denial is a river in Egypt
    TFR

  • Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer »
    Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:33 am
    ww, not my intention at all in fact a term I use when referring to other labels people claim themselves to be. As for the other issue I stand totally by my earlier post, in order to say what is truly good is not of God one would have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that God does not exist. And I am not saying that man can't do good, but what I'm saying is our ability to do good is the result of our being created in the image of God not that He makes us do good or it is Him doing good through us only that He gives us both the desire and ability to do good, but ultimately each person chooses to do good.
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    In Response: No believer, you are making the assertion so you have to first prove the existence of your god then you can state your reliance upon the actual physical being.

    If you worshiped the Easter Bunny or Santa Clause people would tell you the same thing, this is no different since you can't produce the god you speak of and can only speak around the subject, never able to show anything tangible to another person that will unconditionally prove your claims.

    You never seem to grasp that fact, if you wanted to prove you found a new species of animal you have to show the animal, or another new type of rock, proof requires certain standards to be met so until you do produce this god of yours and show historically by the terms of the challenge I just commented on you have nothing to back up your claims.

    TFR

  • Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer,

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    You are correct, my statement that good does not come from a god is unprovable. The problem for both of us here though, is that being unprovable doesn't get us anywhere. Whether there is a god or not, you can't prove it does not exist.

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "This view of humanity is cheap and degrading. "

    Much of what people say about the church, missions and Christianity in general is cheap and degrading...what's your point?

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Now, now ww...we have had people complaining that we are calling them labels which we thought there were calling themselves. So, this is why believer referred to it as "claiming to be" because several have come back and said "I never said I was an athiest".

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:33 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ww, not my intention at all in fact a term I use when referring to other labels people claim themselves to be. As for the other issue I stand totally by my earlier post, in order to say what is truly good is not of God one would have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that God does not exist. And I am not saying that man can't do good, but what I'm saying is our ability to do good is the result of our being created in the image of God not that He makes us do good or it is Him doing good through us only that He gives us both the desire and ability to do good, but ultimately each person chooses to do good.

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Believer,

    By using the phrase "claim to be atheists and agnostics" I presume you mean that I am lying about my own positions. I must assume therefore, that you will interpret anything I say in whatever manner suits you best, and thus conversation with you is entirely pointless.

    Have a long, happy life in your delusional bliss.

    ... and please refrain from stoning anyone.

  • Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    believer,

    I do not have to disprove the existence of God. We've been over this earlier, I think.

    I see good. I see good people. I do not see gods, fairies, or unicorns. You see God in your imagination, but can not show him to me (haven't actually tried, frankly.) You are the one with something to prove, not me. God is not a required assumption for me to experience good in the world.

    I think it is sad that you only see some mystical cause whenever you see good, and not the person who is doing the good. This view of humanity is cheap and degrading.

  • Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:06 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    To the hundreds of protesting Christians : I urge you to be stronger and take the Gospel to the middle east, southeast asia, Orissa INDIA and wherever the LORD leads you. Simply, waving slogans in the US, does not prove your commitment to Christ Jesus.
    "Worldwide evangelism is what separates the men from the boys and girls from Women of GOD".
    Be strong and do not faint in these last days.

  • Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:14 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Side note: A common thing I've noticed on the CP is that people like to use the phrase "... now that's a straw man argument..!" and then explain what a straw man argument is, just in case the people reading their post have not read the countless other definitions of a straw man argument on the CP before. I hope we will all consider that the CP itself is a straw man. We're hammering out our arguments in here (and sometimes even contending for the faith once delivered for the saints!) in the official "straw man's back yard." And doesn't his back yard seem to attract everybody and anybody. There are regular "contributers" (?) here who do not believe in God, or who believe in something other than the One True God. They're welcome, of course, and we try to be charitable and hospitable; one has to wonder what they're looking for?

  • Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "All the good things in life come from a god."

    Define good. My beliefs say only God is righteous. Therefore, all things righteous come from God.

    One of the foundational principles in quality control is that 'good' isn't a measurement. It is an opinion. I may really like my own cooking but you may think it's lousy. Those who like something will say it's good. Those who do not will say it isn't good. "Good" is subjective in this sense.

    Still, Jesus uses the word in an absolute sense when He says "Why do you call me good. Only My Father in heaven is good."

    In short, our idea of good is quite a bit more subjective than the word in reference to God.

  • Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If there were no bible, you would be a selfish person. That is your statement. I would argue that you are a good person by your own natural inclination. The "golden rule" is universal. You help people because it makes you feel good. Are you really thinking "I have to change this person's tire so I can get into heaven!"? I hope not. You're just being nice... because you are a nice person. I know this boggles the mind, but people can be nice without religion too."

    Well, thanks but no actually! Many of the people in the schools I go into think I'm a real son of a bisques! I have to keep reminding myself to be civil even when they are hanging a child out to dry. I am actually quite interested in myself by nature. It is only through choosing Biblical principles over my own wants and desires that I do things.

    And no, I don't do these things to get into heaven. I do these things as a result of the 'life I now live, I live by faith in the Son of God".

  • Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ww, all mankind is created in the image of God to include even those who claim to be atheists and agnostics.

  • Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ww, from a post to DP from you, "if there were no bible, you would be a selfish person", that statement is what I was responding to. And the only way you could prove your premise with regards to goodness is to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt there is no God, which will never be done and can never be done since indeed there is a God.

  • Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Believer,

    What you just said is completely incoherent. Nobody said there "is no Bible." That's a strawman argument at best (putting words in my mouth), and an ignorant accusation at the very least.

    Peace, love, and joy do not depend on your god. Other religions claim to be the path to peace, love, and joy. What makes your holy book any better than theirs? Nobody has ever answered this question. Ever. What about people who live in peace, love, and joy without any books at all? Christianity has certainly not proven itself the most kind or peaceful religion.


    Your argument is this:

    1. All the good things in life come from a god.

    2. Since good things exist, there must be a god.

    Classic logic lesson for you: If you start with a false assumption, you can prove anything, but your proof is meaningless. There is also some circular reasoning in there. You start with an assumption that proves your assumption.

    Your insistence that we would not exist without a god is just as meaningless. I could just as easily say we would not exist unless aliens had created us. We exist, so the aliens MUST exist!

    Meaningless. I'm not trying to be tricky with logic, here. This is common sense. You have no argument, you just keep insisting that you are right, which is meaningless.

    By the way, isn't it a little conceited to think that you are made in God's image? Are you really that spectacular?

  • Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ww, let's take it one step further not only is there not the Bible there is no God and if that is the case there are none of His godly attributes, no peace, no love, no joy, no contentment and worst of all no hope that life as we know it will ever change, by the way I just described to you what hell will be like! The golden rule as you call it is the product of man being made in the image of God, but if there is no God then man can not be made in His image, but the reality is if there is no God then we don't exist!

  • Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:30 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul,

    You said that if I took your faith away you'd have no reason to care about anyone but yourself. First of all, only you can discard your faith, no one can take it away from you. More importantly though, I like to think you are a better person than that.

    If there were no bible, you would be a selfish person. That is your statement. I would argue that you are a good person by your own natural inclination. The "golden rule" is universal. You help people because it makes you feel good. Are you really thinking "I have to change this person's tire so I can get into heaven!"? I hope not. You're just being nice... because you are a nice person. I know this boggles the mind, but people can be nice without religion too.

    Nobody wants to make you into a selfish person. Nobody likes selfish people. Who is more selfless though, someone who is being nice because they are thinking about reward and punishment, or someone who is being nice with no expectations at all? Your religion does not make you a good person, and someone's lack of religion does not make them bad. I'm glad you are a nice person, and I would never try to take from you.

    One reason many atheists have become motivated to promote reason to religious people is to reduce violence and persecution in the world. They want those with dangerous political or military power to base their decisions on rational thought, not on devotion to ancient stories. They want their government to be completely neutral to religion. Separation of church and state is not written word-for-word in the constitution, but it is a fairly obvious interpretation of the first amendment. This interpretation has been made legally binding by international treaties made by Congress, as well as in case law by the Supreme Court.

    Athiests generally prize honesty very highly. We don't want our children to be lied to in science class, or coerced into swearing allegiance to someone else's deity. The persecution of homosexuals is based on the lie that they have a choice in being gay. Life-saving scientific research is being hindered by the idea of a soul in a cluster of cells smaller than a fly's brain. People are starting to realize that religion is behind many injustices and is hindering our ethical and technical progress. This does not mean religious people are bad. It simply means that their ideas must be challenged.

    If religion stayed out of politics and education, you'd probably never hear from another atheist again.

  • Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul:

    Your own source you are quoting dates Krishna to 400 years before Christ. How can you use this and then claim it says the opposite? I suppose you are more familiar with the individual sects of Krishna than I am, and which borrowed from what, and from what which borrowed what from, and at which time. I'm sure after Christianity became more popular, stories started to migrate the other direction as well. I don't see anything there that says this happened, though.

    While you're on Wikipedia, look up Mithra. He was on the Persian calendar 600 years before Christ. He was created by God to be sacrificed and as an equal to himself at the same time...

  • Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Krishna is mentioned in one of the older Upanishads"

    Krishna was their verson of 'Apollo'. Still, proof that the krishna story predates Christ simply doesn't exist.

  • Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Take Chrisna (similar to Christ) for example"

    Wikipedia:
    "The various cults dedicated to different manifestations of Krishna such as Vasudeva, Bala Krishna and Gopala, existed as early as 4th century BCE. The Krishna-Bhakti Movement spread to southern India by the 9th century CE, while in northern India Krishnaism schools were well established by 11th century CE. From the 10th century CE, with the growing Bhakti movement, Krishna became a favourite subject of performing arts. The regional forms of Krishna such as Jaganatha of Orissa, Vithoba of Maharashtra and Shrinathji in Rajasthan were "

    Wow! The subject may have claimed to be from long before Christ but the dates suggest it was the Krishna that took the story of Jesus in almost every detail and claimed it as their own about the 9th century.

    Keep trying though...it helps improve my google skills....

  • Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "We still want people to find the truth. It's just not their truth."

    If truth is relative then what truth are you trying to help other people find. 'My' truth makes me content. Why do you want to take that away from me? AFter all, the Bible says to love my neighbor as myself so I volunteer in the community, help little old ladies change their flat tires, help less fortunate people pay bills and the list goes on. If you took my faith away from me I'd have no reason to care about anyone but myself. How is that better?

  • Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Blacksho89 claims that Krishna and Mithra were invented recently by new age folks. Apparently everyone just agrees on faith. This is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of.

    I have BEEN INSIDE a Mithraic temple inside Roman ruins in Italy. I suppose a bunch of new age hippies built it, made it look old, created a Roman ruin that was designed around it, and changed thousands of years worth of written documentation on the existence of the site. We're not interpreting cave paintings here, we're reading temple carvings in known languages that describe the Mithraic religion.

    Krishna is mentioned in one of the older Upanishads, a book that existed well before the "time of Christ." These religions were real, older than Christianity, and there is an overwhelming amount of evidence. (Same problem you're having with evolution, isn't it?)

    Christianity obviously borrows stories and ideas from previous religions and other cultures. You are certainly free to look for evidence to the contrary, but none has been presented.

    By the way.. something else to chew on: The story of Noah and the flood is one of the most obviously copied stories. That one dates back 17 centuries "before Christ" to ancient Sumeria. There is also the Epic of Gilgamesh, which you can go buy a copy of and which contains a similar ancient flood story. There are a dozen of these, some before the Christian version, some after (looks like you beat the Muslims on this one, anyway.)

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    viper,once again you fail to cite your sources and once again you cite traditions that have nothing to do with the birth of Christ, plus you are sure working up a sweat over an event that never occurred.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Even the Christman Tree is an example of an ancient Pagan tradition. Face it people... your Church has done a wonderful job keeping you from the truth.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I found a total of 16 different examples of Pagan gods, all pre-christianity (ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian, even Indian), that show that Jesus Christ is plagerism.
    Take Chrisna (similar to Christ) for example... born of the virgin Maia (similar to Mary)...

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul wrote...
    "Now there's a good point! If Christianity is false then way even waste the time fighting it? Which is worse?"

    Just because we are atheist, does not mean we don't care about people. We still want people to find the truth. It's just not their truth.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Atheist evangelists make me laugh. Why do you even care?"

    Now there's a good point! If Christianity is false then way even waste the time fighting it? Which is worse? Claiming what someone believes is a myth or spending your time fighting something which you think has no worth?

    To Christians, it is the soul of the person who we are fighting for and fighting against anything which is in the way of that person going to heaven because we view that person as being of great value. Athiesm isn't the issue for me. The person is the issue to me.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I didn't realize this was going to get into personal attacks"

    You started by saying I believed in a myth. Only fools believe in myths so I thought your intent was to get personal. Still, I only put up the question to help you see that you were, indeed, making a personal attack on many who post at this site.

    Still, not believing in something doesn't make it false or a myth. You are welcome to your opinion and we discuss each persons opinion who wants to post it.

    "Attacking the precepts of a religion is not the same as attacking a person who follows it. "

    Christians are those who have died at the foot of the cross and picked up the life which Christ laid down. Christ is the basis of who a Christian is. If not, they are just playing religious games.

    "The life I now live, I live by faith in the son of God who loved me and gave himself up for me."

    With that in mind...saying Christianity is a myth is saying who I now am as a person is a myth. Since I know I exist and my Christian life exists then it's not a myth.

    My point was not some kind of personal attack. It was to try to help you see that Christianity isn't a 'religion' which you can take or leave. You are either in with both feet or you're not.

    No problem--Peace!

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    For references of the actual dates of the writings vv cites, see Conspiracies and the Cross y Timothy Paul Jones. I don't have it with me or I'd give the LATE dates of the myths right here. Again, most of the myths cited date to the post-modern period and are obviously copied after the Synoptics.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:14 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    viper, once again you do not share the dates of the writings which speak to these events that you share. Anyone can make these claims but can they honestly substantiate the fact that these fables were being told prior to the actual birth and life of Christ. Plus once again very few Christians who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible believe that Jesus Christ was born on Dec. 25th.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hey, Peace.
    You say that you doubt. Is it simply that you doubt there is a God, but that you are not sure either?

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The god Mirthas--- born December 25th in a cave with sheperds present. Known as, "The Redeemer" "The good Sheperd". God of the sun. Belief in this god was just dying as Christianity was becoming.
    The god Attis--- Born on the 25th of December to a Virgin. Crucified and later resurrected. Known as "The Lamb of God". Rituals involved taking bread and wine.
    The god Dionysus--- Born of a Virgin in a stable. Turns water to wine. Tried for Blasphemy for calling himself "The son of God". Executed by way of crucifixion and is raised again 3 days later. The woman crying at his tomb does not recognize him.

  • Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ForZionsSake, that is a wonderful thing to do... waste away your life waiting for something that you don't know is there... when you can get on with your life and face the reality. There is nothing there, this is our only life and I am not going to waste it because somebody a couple thousand years ago wrote a fictionary book, which was lost in translation and altered by those after him. What truth can be there? I'm sorry to anyone who spent their life waiting.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It is a beautiful thing, to not have to defend my faith to atheists. I have no apologies for believing in the Eternal God of the Universe, and in Jesus Christ, His Son. I think atheists need to defend their unbelief. It makes me sad that so many people want "proof" of God, when they cannot even prove themselves. There is no hope in atheism. Neither is there reality. There is only...nothing.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mburrell, I simply wait in comfort and assurance. If the Bible is true, and God is real, then I will see Him with my own eyes after I die. If I am wrong, and there is no God, then what have I to be concerned about? Atheist evangelists make me laugh. Why do you even care? Your "truth" leads to nothing, and your eyes are blind to the obvious. Can the created tell the creator He does not exist? Say what you must, but just wait. Hopefully, your waiting will bring you to an encounter with the truth. Hmmm...I am sure you hated that response. But, God is. And, there is nothing you can do to change that.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    blacksho, thanks for the back-up on the krishna issue.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ww: The earliest references to the pagan myths you cite are AFTER Christianity, with the lone exception of the birth of Mithra. I think most Christians know that Jesus was probably not born Dec 25.
    As for the Krishna and Mithra cites-most of the myths you reference were written in the PAST 50 YEARS by neo-Pagans eager to justify their new-age beliefs. Wasn't Mithra born from a rock, or some such inanimate objec? Not really a "virgin"...

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    viper, plus not all Christians are opposed to this sign including myself because I see it has a great witnessing tool and opportunity.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    viper, Bible believing Christians do not in anyway shape or form believe Jesus Christ was born on December 25th, plus what is the dates of the writings you are getting your info from? Not the dates they refer to but the actual date of the source that states those dates.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    blue1018: "No using bible lines or fancy philosophical responses on this one: There is a separation of church and state, respect it! "
    OK, how about THIS fancy philosophical argument: There is no Separation of Church and State. Don't take my word for it. Go read the Constitution.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:41 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Also I CAN tell you what is older than Christianity... and that is Greek Polythiesm... in which many of their gods were born on the 25th of December to a Virgin... Coincidence??? not a chance, Christianity is plagerism.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Your Christian traditions in the capitol are intruding on their beliefs as much as their's is on your's.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The thing that bothers me the most, is that people think they have a right to complain about atheist signs next to their Christian symbols. Atheists have just as much right and freedom to express their beliefs as you Christians do. Protesting this only makes you look even more stupid. Not only do you not know common sense... you also don't know law. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TRY TO REFUSE THE ATHEISTS EXSPRESSION OF THEIR BELIEFS.... there is no god.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ww, says who the promise and prophecies of the coming Messiah have been around for a very long time plus can you validate that the writings of these false religions was indeed older or are you just taking their word for it?

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul,

    If you believe the bible is truth, then no, I don't care if you call me a fool, any more than I'd care if a fundamentalist Muslim called me a fool. I didn't realize this was going to get into personal attacks, but I have a fairly thick skin. I am, after all, on a religious website, so I expect a little abuse.

    Attacking the precepts of a religion is not the same as attacking a person who follows it. This is a fundamental misconception. There are a million people with a million different views that all claim to be based on the bible. I don't know which parts of the bible you consider to be true.

    Which part of the bible do you consider to be the truth? Or if it's easier, which parts do you consider not true?

    When I speak of religion, myth, history, or science, I am not attacking you personally. I've known a lot of Christians (I have also been one), and I know you are not all crazy or evil. I'm here in the hopes of winning over a few of you to the idea that non-Christians may not all be crazy or evil, either.

    -Peace

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer,

    What part of "older" was unclear? How can an older religion copy a newer one? These occurred hundreds of years before Christianity. I suppose the devil changed all those old religions when he was time-traveling to place all those fossils.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Calling religion myth is not an attack. It is the truth."

    The Bible says the fool says there is no God. So using that passage to call you a fool isn't an attack? We believe the Bible to be truth. So, it's OK and not offensive to call you a fool?

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ww, I guess these other groups know a good thing when they see one so they chose to copycat the teachings and truths of the Word of God and Christianity! Plus, I have no problem with this sign whatsoever and in fact I see it as a great witnessing tool and opportunity.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Once again, the atheist sign is not an attack. It is equal representation. Calling religion myth is not an attack. It is the truth. Disagreeing with this does not make you a victim. Stating that religion enslaves minds may be viewed as offensive, but no more so than the insistence that the holiday season is all about your particular myth. Christians did not even celebrate Christmas for the first, what, 300 years? They wanted to compete with the far older pagan celebrations revolving around the solstice.

    Speaking of far older, doesn't it bother you that the Jesus story so closely resembles older myths, such as Mithra, or Krishna? It's the same story. Mithra had a virgin birth, three wise men, a last supper, 12 disciples, was killed on a cross, was called "the rock", weekly observations included eating wafers marked with a cross, yearly observations included springtime celebration of his ascension to heaven... 600 years before Christ. Come on. Krishna was born of a virgin while his father came to town to pay taxes. The local king tried to kill him by killing all the first born males... he was crucified too. Performed miracles, many moral insights and revelations, etc. 1200 B.C.

    Not everyone in this country thinks your version of this story is any more special than the older ones. Not everyone appreciates the presumption of cultural unity on this through representation in a government building. Don't tell me this season belongs to you and your myth alone, and don't tell me it is our government's place to agree with you. If religionists hadn't attempted to assert their dominance on government property, freethinkers would not have bothered putting a sign up.

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