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NJ Commission: State Should Let Gays Marry

By Associated Press Writer|Geoff Mulvihill

CAMDEN, N.J. โ€“ A commission has concluded that New Jersey legislators should allow gay couples to marry, setting up what could be a spirited debate over whether the state should be the first to allow gay marriage by passing a law, rather than by court mandate.

In its final report, a copy of which was obtained by The Associated Press, the state's Civil Union Review Commission concluded that the state's two-year-old civil union law doesn't do enough to give gay couples the same protections as heterosexual married couples.

"This commission finds that the separate categorization established by the Civil Union Act invites and encourages unequal treatment of same-sex couples and their children," the report says. The findings of the commission's 13 members were unanimous.

The commission found that the rights afforded to those in civil unions were not always well understood, and that allowing gay couples to marry would alleviate the problem. For example, there have been instances when people in civil unions have been prevented from visiting their partners in hospitals and making medical decisions on their behalf, the commission found.

"The commission's report should spark a renewed sense of purpose and urgency to overcoming one of society's last remaining barriers to full equality for all residents," said Assembly Speaker Joseph Roberts Jr., a Democrat from Camden and one of the key figures in setting the Legislature's agenda.

Robert Corrales, a spokesman for Gov. Jon S. Corzine, said the governor would not comment on the report until it was presented. But in the past, Corzine has said that he would sign a bill allowing gay marriage.

Connecticut and Massachusetts are the only states to allow gay marriage, and both were ordered to do so by their highest courts. Earlier this year, California's high court said it was unconstitutional to deny gay couples the right to marry, but the decision was trumped by a constitutional amendment approved by voters last month.

Gay marriage opponents criticized the report, saying the commission was made up of members who favored gay marriage and calling its recommendations predetermined.

"If you look at the membership of that committee, they're all advocates. It's an advocacy group," Pat Brannigan, the executive director of the anti-gay-marriage New Jersey Catholic Conference, said Tuesday. "It doesn't mean that that is the conclusion that society and people in general will come to."

Steven Goldstein, the commission's vice chairman and the chairman of Garden State Equality, New Jersey's leading gay rights group, said that while there are some activists like him on the commission, it was a diverse group.

Six of the 13 members are members of the Corzine administration, which Goldstein points out went to court in 2006 to oppose gay marriage. The other seven are members of the public, including one Goldstein described as a "pro-life Republican," AnnLynne Benson of Clementon.

Benson, who confirmed that she is Republican and opposes abortion, said Tuesday that her views about gays have evolved over the past 15 years or so as she has met more gay people. She said the point of the commission was not to wrestle with whether the state Supreme Court was right to allow civil unions in 2006, but whether the unions delivered on their intent.

Benson said the commission gathered plenty of public comment at a series of hearings before deciding to issue the report.

Of the 150 people who testified or wrote letters to the commission, only 10 opposed allowing gay couples to marry. Some opposed gay marriage on religious grounds and some โ€” including Brannigan โ€” argued that civil unions were working well.

The report cited another study that found that allowing gay marriage in New Jersey would help the state in lean economic times, too: It estimated that gay weddings would add nearly $250 million to the state's economy over three years.

Meanwhile, the Iowa Supreme Court heard arguments Tuesday from prosecutors and attorneys for six gay couples and three of their children over a district court's decision to overturn that state's gay-marriage ban last year. Only one gay couple managed to marry before the judge who issued the ruling stayed his decision.

Prosecutors argued that the ruling overturning the ban violated the separation of powers because the gay marriage issue should be left up to state lawmakers to decide, not the courts.

Attorneys for the plaintiffs argued their clients should have the same right to marry that heterosexual couples have.

It could take a year or more before a ruling is issued, attorneys involved in the case said.

Associated Press writers David Porter in Newark and Amy Lorentzen in Des Moines, Iowa, contributed to this report.

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  • Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "And so here we are; our school system has produced generations of God haters and we are now reaping the whirlwind because of it; increasing violence, abortion, gangs, pornography, child molestation, a high percent of fatherless chilren and single family households, a wefare state, school shootings, obsenity in the arts and media and social anarchy; the list goes on and on."

    Now there Delight, that's not very fair. I am a living proof that the education system does not brainwash all of its students to become God Haters. And associating the education system to all the crime mentioned is even more unfair. The purpose of the education system is to eradicate such crimes in my opinion.

    I notice that "resentful" atheist do not actually hate "God". Most of the times, they just dislike the Church's image of God. And Delight, you have to admit that in the past, the church has indeed ostracized systematically a great deal of individuals. And hence, when the church "excludes" these individuals, they exclude the "chruch" as well.

    Same thing Delight, what happens when people like tiponeill condemns christianity? You condemn him/her back. If only one side would stop. I think we can all agree that that is what God would want. Hate should not be recipocrated!

  • Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I am sickened by the anti-Christian and anti-traditional values the American Public School System is promoting; not only in its bias against the Church and Moral Absolutes but what is currently taught in US History as being nothing less than REVISIONIST History. I see a lot of comments such as this gem:

    "And the churches will deny any connection to the bigotry they had spread, just as today they deny the racism they spread in the past".

    Hello?

    Wasn't Abe Lincoln a Christian and did he not put an end to slavery? Was he "spreading" racism? How about Harriet Beecher Stowe who wrote 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' a book written in the 1850's against slavery that raised the conscience of the northern states stirring them to work tirelessly to free the slaves; wasn't she the daughter of a Baptist Preacher? Did he raise her to "spread" racism, too? What about Martin Luther King Jr; was he not a Christian? Or, the Methodist John Wesley who concluded that if slaves are equal to their masters in heaven, why must things be different on earth? Any God fearing Christian knows all men are created equal in God's eyes and if you see otherwise, then they are not Christian or God fearing.

    You want to speak of bigotry and hate? Just look at what your education has done to you; you have become what you have been indoctrined to be: a bigot and a hater of Christianity and the truth of moral absolutes. History along with society's morals are relative and we are now left with generations of shallow thinkers that assume they know everything and who question nothing.

    "The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of the government in the next". Abe Lincoln.

    And so here we are; our school system has produced generations of God haters and we are now reaping the whirlwind because of it; increasing violence, abortion, gangs, pornography, child molestation, a high percent of fatherless chilren and single family households, a wefare state, school shootings, obsenity in the arts and media and social anarchy; the list goes on and on.

    And all this within a short span of time; between the 'quaint' and historical Christian influence and traditional family values to the Secular Humanism's take over of the school system and the government.

    What do you "tiponeill1" have to offer to this society? What good is YOUR existence other than condemn our past in igonorance and promote twisted values in rebellion for our future?

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i posted this on the article about the British cardinal, but i think it pertains to comments on this column. maybe some complainers who post here feel they are doing their part to warn about a 'totalitarian' US government that can tell its citizens whom it can or can not marry.

    From the other column:

    I think the cardinal has put his finger on a point that may be motivating some of the harsher critics of Chrsitianity on this Web site. He wrote: "With the culture, Catholicism and other religion have a conflict because modern British society has a 'dislike of absolutes,' which he suggested stems from a 'revulsion for totalitarianism.'"

    That's an interesting way to phrase it. Many people who do not have a religious nature only see the bad that religion has done throughout history. They do not get an inner peace from a religion - though they might find that peace somewhere else. But these people tend to be suspicious of religious proponents' potential to become totalitarian.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    and what's 'quaint' about it?

    the only thing i can think is that 'humorous' and 'quaint' make weekender feel superior. he has such a preferred vantage point, you understand.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    weekender said: "I just think it's quaint (and humorous) that the anti-Christians chose to spend their time making comments on a blog called "Christian Post." Bored with the DailyKos?"

    I have no idea what the DailyKos is, but weekender does not understand how dialogue - even argument, clear or murky - helps me to clarify some of these topics in my mind. i may not come out believing the way most "Christians" on this Web site believe, but i do learn from the process. what's humorous about that?

    NB: after years of serving on volunteer boards, i finally realized that much of the parlementary procedure is for the benefit of the board members at that meeting. if something positive gets accomplished for the good cause we are 'serving' at the time, so much the better.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    it was a typo (i think), but tipique's "a simple-minded naswer" is valuable.

    some of the responses on this site are 'naswers' rather than 'answers,' i think - including mine. it might be a contraction of 'nay sayers.' what about it?

    i know i have looked back over some text i've posted and then scratched my head. those were naswers, i now see.

    useful new word!

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I just think it's quaint (and humorous) that the anti-Christians chose to spend their time making comments on a blog called "Christian Post." Bored with the DailyKos?

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    tiponeill1,

    Spoken like a true revisionist. Good job. Way to take the last 2,000 years and boil them down to a simple-minded naswer.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    >"As humankind devolves, we are weaker, less wise, and certainly, unenlightened. "

    Yes, I too miss the good old days when we kept the darkies on the plantations and burned the witches, and good white christian males ruled the world.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Some of these posts reveal that many think mankind is becoming more enlightened, smarter, kinder, wiser, and well, just better. Nothing could be further from the truth. As humankind devolves, we are weaker, less wise, and certainly, unenlightened. The modern dark ages we are in is not mankind improving day by day.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "the state's Civil Union Review Commission"

    I wonder who was on the commission and how much lobby money it took to get them appointed....

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    >"and this same-sex fight will look to those people the way some quaint 19th-century theological arguments look to us today. "

    It will be historical, but I don't think "quaint" - more like the battles over slavery or womens rights.

    And the churches will deny any connection to the bigotry they had spread, just as today they deny the racism they spread in the past.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "For example, there have been instances when people in civil unions have been prevented from visiting their partners in hospitals and making medical decisions on their behalf, the commission found."

    THEN ADD IT TO THE CIVIL UNION LAWS!! LOL

    Simple solution to a not so complicated problem.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, what would you expect the findings of the "Civil Union Review Commission to be? Simply to serve on such a commission, one would need to be much biased to begin with.

  • Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    and so it goes....

    and, guess what. a 100 years from now the church of Jesus Christ will be alive and well, thriving, in New Jersey and the entire world and this same-sex fight will look to those people the way some quaint 19th-century theological arguments look to us today.

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