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Society|Sat, Dec. 13 2008 09:44 AM EST

Vatican Clarifies Support for Decriminalizing Homosexuality

By Katherine T. Phan|Christian Post Reporter

Citing Migliore's comments, Lombardi noted that the Church was against any initiative that would impose the recognition of "rights," such as homosexual marriage and the possibility of same-sex couples adopting children, something which is not even permitted in France, Zenit reported.

On Thursday, Osservatore Romano printed a statement by Lombardi criticizing the press for misrepresenting the Vatican with provocative headlines.

Meanwhile, the Bishops’ Marriage and Family Life Office of England has clarified that a pamphlet, which urges clergy and churchgoers to be respectful and welcoming towards lesbian and gay people, was not official teaching material of the Church.

The leaflet, published by the Marriage and Family Life Project Office of the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales over a year ago, is titled “What is life like if you or someone in your family is gay or lesbian in their sexual orientation? ... and what can your parish family do to make a difference.”

"It’s always important to provide information about opportunities in the local area for moral and spiritual support for homosexual Catholics and their families," the pamphlet reads.

"Homilies and bidding prayers are excellent opportunities to demonstrate awareness and compassion and express appreciation for the gifts that homosexual Catholics bring to their faith community."

The pamphlet received praises from a leader of one gay rights activist group in the United Kingdom on his Guardian blog.

The Bishops’ Marriage and Family Life Office explained to Catholic News Agency that the "leaflet merely offers pastoral advice on making everyone welcome to their parish" and does not run afoul to the Church's teaching on homosexuality.

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  • Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    No offense to the Catholics, because there are many good Catholic believers, however the Catholic institutional church has had a history of bllod and misdeeds which were committed under the huise of the Catholic doctrine and most of it was contrary to scripture.

  • Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    On a personal note, I find sacramental Christianity the most expressive version of the faith. Bells, smells, etc..help as outward expressions of deep inner spiritual truths, they also help to concentrate the mind on these things, bringing a sense of the numinous. That is most likely why I find myself at home in the local high Anglican church.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The Catholic Church "carries His sacriments", and I carry His Spirit. If a person thinks that sacriments trumps His Spirit, then it's obvious what they worship.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:46 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    (we are the only true Christian Church)

    Making this claim does not make it so . . . there are many people of faith that claim the same thing . . .

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 9:47 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    tliml,

    "We are the only church that celebrates Jesus' sacrament thus we are the only true Christian Church. No matter what you say. WE are the only church that TRULY follows Christ, because we carry his sacrament."

    I know you wixh I would agree with you, but your statement is false.










    Pride.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml, please check your Sat. 11:43AM post to star2 and you'll see where you said that the catholic church is the one true church.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:51 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight

    >>>Before you were saying "Anyone who does not know the word of God, cannot go to heaven and will go to hell, that's just how it is."<<<

    That is not what I said though I can see how you might have interpreted what I said to mean that. Review the conversation and you will see that I said that if a person doesn't call upon the name of the Lord (receive Jesus into their heart) then they will not go to heaven. A person can't possibly call upon the name of the Lord unless they hear about Jesus and what He did for them.

    >>>Even Online and Prophet were a little put off by your attitude. <<<

    The conversation was between me, you, Online, and GMG. Prophet was not a part of it. You and Online were discussing whether the body and the wine in the Lord's Supper (communion) were actual or symbolic. GMG entered into the discussion you and I were having about whether those who have never heard the gospel would perish. She sided with me using a different approach.

    I may be wrong but I think Online and GMG think a little differently than me in regard to how God judges in eternity those who have never heard the gospel and thus never had a chance to respond while alive on the earth. (continued - 1)

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (continued - 1)

    Here is the conversation:

    "Younger Catholics Becoming Increasingly Liberal, Studies Show"

    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080217/younger-catholics-becoming-increasingly-liberal-studies-show.htm

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:01 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Ok star2, I will ask about that as well. I have to go as well though. Nice chatting. Bye.


    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:01 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    good night online and GMG



    GMG Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:00 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    I need to say good night also. God bless, everyone.


    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:59 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    tliml

    Mark 16:15-16

    15 "Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

    If some one has never heard the gospel how can they believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for their sins and rose from the dead? You have to hear the gospel and believe before you can be saved.

    Online4Him Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:58 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Good night all



    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:58 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    star2-

    I am going to ask a friend of mine about that, he is a Bishop so I am sure he will know the answer. I grew up with him in highschool.



    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:50 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    thelordismylight

    Re:Jesus can still save them through his grace. Who says they have to know about Him? It just says through him. It doesn't say "If you never heard of him you are out of luck"

    God says so throught the Apostle Paul:

    Romans 10:


    9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

    (continued - 2)

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (continued - 2)

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:50 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Star2-

    It can be interpreted like this (Thank God for my Catholic help books) Nobody is made righteous. You have to develop virtue and righteousness on your own.



    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:45 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Online4Him-

    He is not giving his life. He did that only once, he is giving a part of him. And you can't get around the fact that Jesus said "This is my body" and "This is my blood" You just can't.

    Star2-

    give me a second. I need to refer to my texts :D



    GMG Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:42 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    So, my altruistic tendencies will get me to heaven anyway?


    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:42 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Jesus can still save them through his grace. Who says they have to know about Him? It just says through him. It doesn't say "If you never heard of him you are out of luck"


    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:41 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    No one has virtue.

    "As it is written, There is none righteous, no,not one." (Romans 3:10)



    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:40 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    Romans 3:23

    "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

    Romans 6:23

    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of god is eternal life throught Jesus Christ our Lord.

    (continued - 3)

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (continued - 3)

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:40 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    GMG-

    If you couldn't possibly have ANY way of knowing about or having access to the Truth then you can still be saved through heroic virtue.


    GMG Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:39 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    >>>And if you do not know of Him you can still be with him through virtue<<<

    What does that mean?



    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:37 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    As it is written, There is none righteous, no,not one. (Romans 3:10)



    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:17 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Sorry, came out wrong. What I meant was:

    Somebody goes to hell because they did not have the knowledge? That is not scriptural.



    GMG Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:17 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    tliml -

    Read it again.

    Matt 12:30 HE WHO IS NOT WITH ME IS AGAINST ME, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

    Mark 9:40 For HE WHO IS NOT AGAINST US IS ON OUR SIDE.



    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:16 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    You are right, it isn't scriptural. Not everything is in the scripture. It couldn't possibly be. I am not sure if it is the same for Protestants, but we Catholics have a thing called Mercy Foundations of Character. We believe that if someone doesn't have access to knowledge it would be unfair for them to go to hell because they did not do anything. That is not scriptural. Unless of course everyone's destiny is predetermined? That is not scriptural either. We have free will so nothing is predetermined.



    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:16 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    thelordismylight

    I am talking about this posting you made:That is also somewhat false. What about the people that do not have access to the good news? What about them? The Catholic Church states that "those who, by no fault of their own, do not have shared faith in Jesus, can still be saved through heroic virtue" and yet we are called heartless when you people are ready to condemn anyone that doesn't even know about Jesus? Or throw anyone in hell that doesn't think the way you do? (homosexuals) Who is without mercy here?

    (continued - 4)

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:47 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (continued - 4)

    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:13 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    The position of the Catholic church on those who have never heard of Jesus is not scriptural.


    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:10 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Star2,

    That is also somewhat false. What about the people that do not have access to the good news? What about them? The Catholic Church states that "those who, by no fault of their own, do not have shared faith in Jesus, can still be saved through heroic virtue" and yet we are called heartless when you people are ready to condemn anyone that doesn't even know about Jesus? Or throw anyone in hell that doesn't think the way you do? (homosexuals) Who is without mercy here?

    GMG Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:09 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    >>>2. The Catholic Church does not interpret one part of the bible literally and another part of it "in context" as the Orthodox Christians do. Notice that "in context" was quoted.<<<

    Okay, then explain these two verses, both of which are Jesus' words.

    Matt 12:30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

    Mark 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.



    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:09 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    change Only Jesus can day (Eph 2:8-10). to Only Jesus can save (Eph 2:8-10).



    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:07 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete No, that is not what I say. God wants us to do good works but our good works will never save us. Only Jesus can day (Eph 2:8-10). Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. (Heb 5:9). You have to be like the thief on the cross that got saved if you want to go to Heaven. No other way will work.


    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:03 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    So you get to heaven by saying "I am bad, forgive me" then while you are saying this an old dying lady asks you if you can call 911 for you and you say "I don't have to, I am already saved" hmm seems too good to be true. I know what you are going to say, something like "It is just right to help them" or "Did we ever say we don't help people?" but this is the question: Do you believe that you can accept Jesus, not help people, not do anything good, not go out of your way to be a Christian, and still get to heaven?

    (continued - 5)

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (continued - 5)


    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:00 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    Well, I'll let online and wilderness address those issues you brought up.

    I like talking with you. I'm female you know and females like fellowship of sorts.

    Just remember, salvation doesn't come from accepting the dogma of some church. It comes from being convicted that you are a sinner and worthy of damnation, that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead. If you want to accept what Jesus did for you, then turn to God in prayer and ask God to forgive you of your sins, come live in your heart, and be the Lord of your life. If you do, then He will give you a new nature after His own. He will change your life. He will set you free from sin, etc.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Good night . . . you too.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OK Online, 11pm CT.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Good night Online. God bless and have a great day.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    11pm CT

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sounds good . . . it was good chatting with you again . . . I am ready for the hay . . . God bless . . .

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:43 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What time? 11pm or midnight CT?

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    OK, Online, I'll email GMG and Prophet to let them know.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sat night (12/27)sounds good; I already emailed wilderness1 and told him about our upcoming chat . . .

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:39 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Do you want to meet on Sat night (12/27) or sunday (12/28) night? What time? 11pm or midnight CT?

    I'll let Prophet know in case he wants to join in our chat.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ok . . . I will email him.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:36 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, of course, I will contact GMG when we decide on a day and time. Do you want to contact wilderness?

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sounds good to me . . .

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Maybe we should wait to give GMG time to open up the email. Doesn't always check it every day. How about after Christmas, maybe next Sat or Sun night?

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    okay . . . will you email GMG?

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:31 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    How about tomorrow night (Sunday night) around 11pm or midnight CT? That would make it 9 or 10 pm your time.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am open . . .

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    When would you like to do it?

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Star2,

    My grandmother made a full recovery and is doing great, thank the Lord . . . my daughter is attending a community college for now . . . she will transfer out after finishing her generals . . . the girls b-ball team is the same but the guys are doing very well; 4-0 right now . . . I pray GMG will be well . . . going back to our site sounds good to me.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Online

    How is your grandmother doing since she had her surgery some time ago?

    What college did your daughter decide to go to?

    How are the boys and girls basketball teams doing this year? I hope the girls are doing better this year than last.

    GMG hasn't been feeling too good for quite awhile. The doctors can't seem to find out what is wrong.

    We all ought to get together on our old meeting site and have a chat. If interested let me know. I'll contact GMG and wilderness. Maybe Prophet will want to come too.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2,

    Yes, it seems that they all came back at the same time . . . interesting.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yea Online, the ole gang is back together again, at least partially since GMG is not here nor is wilderness.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml

    I was being insensitive to you and made statements that put you in a negative light to any one who read the post. I assumed that since you were spending so much time at CP at night that you didn't spend anytime with your family. I had no right to assume that. I apologize.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (Face it, my Protestant friends, either you are in the Church Christ founded or you are not. You might still be a Christian, but because you are outside the protection of the Holy Spirit)

    Wow, it seems that my pals all decided to come out in full force this day . . . welcome back.

    The RCC actually seems to fit the description of the little horn in Daniel 7 rather than the church that Christ founded . . .

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:44 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Star2-

    I was a little upset that (once again) you passed judgement, but I was really upset with the two people that gave your comment a thumbs up. And in my defense I think I come and go in ugliness depending upon what people say.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml

    Posts taken from
    "Younger Catholics Becoming Increasingly Liberal, Study Shows."

    You were more friendly and nice when we were dialoging on that article. Then you became ulgy when I posted my comments about you spending too much time on CP and not enough time with your wife and son. You have been ugly to me ever since.

    The conversation:

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:56 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Well, executive attorney, whatever. My check says Executive Officer Attorney

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:56 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    I am head attorney at IBM yea.

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:55 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Star2,

    Listen... I have not had a good argument in months. My hands are shaking. I did not come on here for pleasantry lol. Plz adress what I said.

    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:55 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    Umm..no, not really. Are you the main lawyer at IBM?

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:54 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    No, IBM has merged with intitech, it is a small company that was working on programming and gaming, it started growing so IBM bought them out.


    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:53 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    Oh, IBM is wanting to hire some interns of some sorts?

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:52 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    Star2,

    No. No they did not. Nobody wanted to sue IBM, IBM wanted to merge with a company. Lots of work for me.

    thelordismylight Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:52 pm : 0 : 0 Flag

    And umm... really. These are just boys and girls they are interviewing. In ten years they will think differently. I had some liberal notions when I was their age. It is only natural.

    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:51 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    What was going on at work? Did someone want to sue IBM?

    star2 Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:48 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete

    Hi thelordismylight. How are you ding. Long time no see.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    tliml - But you mentioned it several times on different threads. If it didn't bother you then why did you keep bringing it up and throwing it in Online's and GMG's face? You didn't start getting real ugly to me until I said what I said. You use to be quite 'nice' at times but you are not any more. So, yes it did bother you. You only assumed that Online and GMG gave the thumbs up. I am not so sure that either one of them give the thumbs up since I don't think they do that very often. A lot of people cruise these articles and make their opinions known by giving thumbs up/down instead of posting.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 35

    Prophet-

    We are the only church that celebrates Jesus' sacrament thus we are the only true Christian Church. No matter what you say. WE are the only church that TRULY follows Christ, because we carry his sacrament.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Star-

    I was upset at the people that gave you a thumbs up. But it was a little obnoxious of you to pass judgement yet again.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:13 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I like how he said "if your faith were actually the true faith, you would be content with just that." But doesn't practice that himself....

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I wonder if anyone can show me where the Bible says that if you observe the eucharist, that you are automatically "enlightened". And why is it that other Christians observe it (under a different name) and yet are not "enlightened".




    Pride.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    thelordismylight

    >>>Star-

    I was not offended by your petty questions of my family life.<<<


    Not so. Here is the conversation we had when I made the comments about you spending too much time at CP and not spending time with your family. Not offended?

    Younger Catholics Becoming Increasingly Liberal, Study Shows.

    star2 Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:54 pm : 0 : 0 Flag Delete thelordismylight

    I flagged my comments about your personal life so that no one else could read it.





    thelordismylight Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:14 pm : 0 : 0 Flag What? Nobody?

    .

    thelordismylight Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:28 pm : 0 : 1 Flag Alright, my already low opinion of you people has gone even lower. When somebody makes a poorly assumed comment about your personal life you do not say "Oh yea, I agree with it." Just common tact. Oh my God I just can't get over that. It is just so obnoxious.

    thelordismylight Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:15 pm : 0 : 1 Flag Wait a minute... oh my god that is just obnoxious. Who gave Star2's comments about MY PERSONAL LIFE a thumbs up? Do you want me to rate your lives? You are a bunch of Protestants obsessed with tearing down the faith that has ten times the populous as you do and is the biggest threat to you. It is very pathetic that you seek out any forum about Catholicism so you can just go and start attacking it. You go OUT OF YOUR WAY to point out flaws in other faiths when, if your faith were actually the true faith, you would be content with just that. We don't go to forums about Protestants and point out their flaws. There, that is my rating on your lives. I am sorry, but it is just absolute obnoxiousness to give a thumbs up to a post that, besides being completely irrelevant, makes assumptions about someone's personal life.


    thelordismylight Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:07 pm : 0 : 1 Flag Star2-

    Do not concern yourself with my private life. I do spend quality time with my family. I talked to Bishop Burbidge and I have answers to your questions:

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ah, the eucharist. Wow. We celebrate that too. See? We aren't any different. Oh, wait...we call it another name, so we must not be the same. Oy, will some people ever mature in Christ? Or will they remain infants their whole life? God give me patience.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:54 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No Prophet. The one thing that gives us the authority to interpret the scripture is the Eucharist.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sounds like tliml is the most venomous, hateful, and violent of anyone here. But that's what happens when you defend an institution instead of the Word of God.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You're right, I don't know what it is. But I know what it's not. And it's not God nor scripture. So whatever it may be, don't matter to me.

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:46 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As prideful as Catholics are, the RCC is just one of the many different denominations in Christianity. They don't hold any special position, or secret, or power. God doesn't reveal Himself differently to them compared to other Christians. Because it is the same Holy Spirit. Catholics are no different than Baptists. How do I know? From the Catholics I've known over the years. They act just like every other Christian. I figure if they had the inside scoop on things that they'd act different. And not just parishoners, but also clergy. They are no different than pastors and preachers. And the pope is no different than Billy Graham or Kenneth Copeland.
    But there is one major difference between Catholics and everyone else.....


    Pride.

    But I guess thousands of years of indoctrination and pride is hard to overcome....

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Oh now I know why all the protties are here. They hate homosexuals and want the KKK to kill them all right? KKK Kill Kill Kill?

  • Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet-

    You don't know what it is do you?

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