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Opinion|Tue, Dec. 16 2008 10:01 AM EST

The Bible and Proposition 8

By Chuck Colson|Christian Post Guest Columnist

The passage of Proposition 8, the ballot measure that banned same-sex “marriage” in California, has stirred the ire of gay activists like little else. Besides thuggish vandalism of church property, that anger is being translated into mockery of the faith community.

Nowhere do we see it more clearly than the viral video, “Proposition 8: The Musical,” created by “Hairspray” composer Marc Shaiman, which has now been seen by 2 million people online. In it the religious characters sing, “It's time to spread some hate/ And put it in the constitution.”

The short video is full of distortions, and even lies. As radio commentator Dennis Prager of the Hoover Institution puts it, “Hatred based on ignorance is known as bigotry.”

But Shaiman isn’t alone. This week Newsweek magazine has come out of the closet with a one-sided support of gay “marriage.” The article, entitled “Our Mutual Joy,” runs with this teaser, “Opponents of gay marriage often cite Scripture. But what the Bible teaches about love argues for the other side.”

In it, writer Lisa Miller joins Shaiman’s chorus of mockery, and there’s no shortage of condescension to be found. She begins, “Let’s try for a minute to take the religious conservatives at their word and define marriage as the Bible does. Shall we look to Abraham, the great patriarch, who slept with his servant when he discovered his beloved wife was infertile?”

Miller continues to point to the polygamy of the patriarchs and the singleness of Jesus and Paul in order to wrangle up a so-called biblical defense for gay “marriage.” Try as she may, her arguments, including passages stripped out of context like David’s love for Jonathan or a new look at Paul’s condemnation of men “inflamed with lust for one another,” fall short. Her logic is selective, at times using the Bible as a defense, other times as the brunt of her ridicule.

For the record, nowhere in the Bible is homosexual activity praised or advocated. The only mentions of it condemn the practice, some calling it an abomination. On the other hand, the Bible has plenty to say about the marriage of one man to one woman. Take a look at God’s commands in the garden, or Christ’s words on leaving and cleaving and becoming one flesh, or look at Paul’s instructions specifically for “husbands” and “wives” in Ephesians 5.

Miller admits that the argument for a biblical support of gay “marriage” is usually not made from any particular passage but from, as scholar Walter Brueggemann put it, “the general conviction that the Bible is bent toward inclusiveness.”

Well, Miller is partly right. Christ’s invitation to sinners to come and find salvation truly does include all people. But this invitation is not that we might stay as we are. His love calls us instead to be transformed into His likeness. All of us have the same opportunity to turn from our sins, whether that sin be pride, unbelief, greed, or any number of sexual sins, including the kinds committed by patriarchs, modern homosexuals, and everyday covenant breakers.

No, my friends, God loves us enough that He won’t leave us as He finds us. I’ll take that kind of inclusiveness any day, over the thinly guised bigotry of tolerance.

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From BreakPoint®, December 16, 2008, Copyright 2008, Prison Fellowship Ministries. Reprinted with the permission of Prison Fellowship Ministries. All rights reserved. May not be reproduced or distributed without the express written permission of Prison Fellowship Ministries. “BreakPoint®” and “Prison Fellowship Ministries®” are registered trademarks of Prison Fellowship
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  • Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet, several months ago a well-known spokesman for the homosexual agenda in America said that although from a worldwide perspective HIV/AIDS is not a male homosexual problem here in the US it is a male homosexual problem when you consider that over 70% of the cases in the US are male homosexuals.

  • Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:17 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    As a nurse, I watched 100 of my friends and acquaintances die of AIDS and AIDS related illnesses. After that, I stopped counting.
    This statement was made by Greg Quinlan, a former member of the homosexual community, who testified before the Ohio Defense of Marriage Act in November, 2003. Quinlan claimed that the physical and mental devastation caused by homosexual behavior, and the cumulative effect of that behavior is incalculable.

    HIV/AIDS
    Homosexual activity remains a major source of transmission of the HIV/AIDS virus.

    Physical Health Risks
    In addition to AIDS, there is a long list of maladies attendant upon the homosexually active population. Of particular concern is anal cancer. Even from an immunological point of view, the body itself considers homosexual acts to be disordered. For instance, there are substances in seminal fluid called immuno-regulatory macromolecules that send out signals that are only understood by the female body, which will then permit the two in one flesh intimacy required for human reproduction. When deposited elsewhere, these signals are not only misunderstood, but cause sperm to fuse with whatever somatic body cell they encounter. This fusing is what often results in the development of cancerous malignancies.

    Emotional/Mental Health Risks
    Two extensive studies published in the October 1999 issue of American Medical Association Archives of General Psychiatry confirmed the existence of a strong link between homosexuality and suicide, as well as other mental and emotional problems.

    Physical Abuse
    A recent study published in the American Journal of Public Health has shown that 39 percent of males with same-sex attraction have been abused by other homosexual men.

    Church Teaching
    The same forces are also attempting to stifle authentic Church teaching on this subject by labeling it as homophobic and hate speech. However, once one is made fully aware of the medical facts, it's much easier to understand why the Church teaches that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. They are contrary to the natural law.
    Clearly, Church teaching on human sexuality is not founded upon pious patriarchal prudery, but is soundly based in science, biology and anthropology; all of which is illumined by the added gift of faith.

  • Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:02 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet,
    I trust you enjoyed the celebration of our Saviors birth.

    No, I did not say that our taxes going to Africa is a myth. Unfortunately, we are wasting away our wealth for the wrong cures. I said that the correlation of the African heterosexual aids to our American homosexual AIDS is a myth. The definitions for diagnosis are different and the diseases are different. In addition, many of the so called news stories coming from Africa are not truthful. But it was convenient at the time in order to drain our wealth and to put the scare into the publics imagination that the epidemic will spread to heterosexual Americans. The best coverage for this is from Tom Bethells PIG to Science.

  • Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    are you also saying that the 15 billion in aid in dealing with aids in africa is also a myth? and president bush being congratualated worldwide for this is also a myth?



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/20/ST2008022000118.html

  • Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    and a very merry christmas to you.

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet
    have a very Merry Christmas

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    evanjello: See Acts 11:5-10

    But you knew that, didn't you?

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    More reports are surfacing that the hetero AIDS epidemic in Africa is a myth and in no way can be tied with the AIDS in America....
    American AIDS and AIDS in Africa may be different diseases? While calling whatever kills people in Africa AIDS might be useful for publicity in the West and thus fundraising (and drug-peddling), it is intellectually dishonest to brandish the same name. While the producers of Frontlines AIDS report introduce this problem by citing on camera an assistant secretary for health early in the Reagan administration, the issue gets dropped. Nonetheless, having identified one intellectual deceit about AIDS, some skeptics would be prepared to spot another.

    Farber goes further in exposing the myth of African AIDS. She documents how AIDS has become the most popular identification for any and all deaths that previously lacked an explanation, as many do, particularly in poor countries with less sophisticated pathologists (and insufficient funds to test blood for any viral chemicals), and more particularly at a time when AIDS fundraising groups have needed higher figures for their own mercenary purposes. The further truth is that Africans (and South Asians), both male and female, die younger, because of malnutrition, poor sanitation, tuberculosis, mysterious diseases, and inadequate medicine, all reflecting poverty and exploitative governments.

    Providing a specific example, Farber exposes how an individual Africans death from malaria was chalked up to AIDS. Another anecdote tells how a Kenyan killed in an auto accident was publicized as an AIDS suicide.

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    how ridiculous!

    first you offer an undocumented web page.

    and then at the bottom is a web page address to a study on the mortality of those who have aids.

    surely you must be aware that if someone dies early it is because of disease. there is no acknowledgement of the diseases that caused early death.

    there is no acknowledgement that the person died from this disease that is caused by this specific behavior.

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The first step for an addict is to face the fact they are an addict and in danger.

    The illusion that the homosexual lifestyle is a normal way of living has been successfully propagated by promoting a victim image for homosexual persons, and by the pseudo-science alleging a gay gene....All available evidence indicates that the lifespan of practicing homosexual persons is drastically shortened by their behavior. No reliable study indicates otherwise. The lifespan topic is taboo among homosexual advocates because the evidence is so damaging to their case.

    This information represents a fair summary of the available evidence concerning homosexual lifespan. It indicates that on average, even apart from AIDS, homosexual persons will probably not live past their 40s, an appalling loss of about 30 years, or nearly 40% of normal American lifespan.

    The evidence shows homosexuality to be a compulsive and lethal addiction, not mainstream America.

    Study after study reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan. With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute says takes from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior thats killing people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care. In fact, we are encouraging and affirming individuals into the gay lifestyle. If you truly love someone, you would steer them away from self-destructive behaviors, rather than towards them, shouldnt you? Homosexuals need our tough love, not blind love, the kind of love that is going to love them no matter what they say and do. We must extend that helping hand and say I think your worth saving, let's work on it together.


    http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/hosx_lifspn.htm

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    evanjello,
    You're right...afterall, we allow you to live, right?

  • Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It's all well and good to single out easy targets like fruits-after all, what's the point of being an Evangelical if you can't rejoice in being better than someone who is different? But we're overlooking another huge group of people to look down uopn. I speak of the filthy eaters of non-scaled fish and shellfish, who are an abomination to God and Vegetarians alike. Have you been to a seafood store lately? There are catfish nuggets for sale right out in the open, and not a self-righteous Evangelical Christian in sight to point the finger of condemnation. And bacon-wrapped shrimp served by divorcees in low-cut, tight red dresses? Don't even get me started! This must be the End of Days; there is simply no other explanation for this untenable relaxation of America's biblically-supported moral standards.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:54 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    No matter how you slice it, dice it, or play the sympathy/victim card...homosexuality is a sin. And I pray for those who willingly remain in such a sinful lifestyle. I pray their eyes will be open and they will repent, and fall on God's strength to be delivered.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ....says the gospel according to feet....

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    homosexuals for the last 500 years have been abandoned by friends and family, rejected by society, including the church, subject to possible incarceration, assault, and even murder. does the trauma stop simply because their behavior is now legal.? my unsderstanding is that trauma exists long after the persecution stops.

    and inspite of the severity of their persecution, believers who are obsessed with judgment, fear, , and anxiety which blocks from any kind of sympathy, empathy , or compassion,

    and similarly they label any display of antisocial behavior, rather than a result of trauma, instead as characteristic that is of the essence of a orientation.

    rather than looking at those homosexuals who are married and lead normal lives with their own families as apossibility, they focus on the negative to create vast amounts of half truths to bolster their theology.


    no 7 is of that nature, and is no way has received any creditation from the scientific community.


    yes in this country homosexuals have higher percentages of aids. however in africa it is the heterosexuals
    of that continent whose aids spreading behavior has contributed to the existance of 30 million orphans.


    4 and 5 have absolutely has nothing to do with the truth of any kind.which explains why you gave no source. one can find no higher level of bias regarding this subject than in the catholic church.....................

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feetxxl
    you said: everyone of your statements were made those who were motivated by a bias to make them.

    Where is your proof to back up this rather absurd statement of yours? Prove they are not truthful.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "One actually said he knew it was sin "

    and just how did he know his attraction to the same sex was a sin, and what was it was he enjoying so much?

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "was it that you knew them, because they the ones who were uncomfortable with their orientation,"

    Actually a few of them were quite comfortable with their orientation. One actually said he knew it was sin but he was having so much fun he'd just cross that bridge when he came to it.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "you will recognize them by their fruit."

    Absolutely. This is why Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. We are free from doing the deeds of the law which include many things including homosexuality.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "there are heterosexuals that live codependent lives........what has codependency have to with orientation?"

    Logically the codependency manifests itself in other ways with heterosexuals. They dive into the bottle, drug abuse, fornication and adultry, cutting themselves and worse. Homosexuality is just one way it can manifest itself.

    "why would they be talking about their lives to you? "\

    Simple. I was their friend. Contrary to the closed minded intolerant progay Bibliophobes, some of us Christians actually look past the sin to the sinner simply because we know we are no better than anyone else.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That would be the gospel according to feetxxl.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    When you cannot rebut, just say "I don't understand..." LOL.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    without annotation i have no idea what you are talking about other than the gospel according to .................

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes, God doesn't speak against every sin. But he does say how to act, which anything outside of that is a sin. He said for a man is to marry a woman, if a man goes outside that criteria, then he is sinning. Galatians says to be patient. So impatience is a sin. Why? Because God said patience is His will. Did He say that impatience is a sin? No. He said that patience is a fruit. If you don't bear his fruit, then you will be cut off. But the fruit extends beyond Galatians 5.
    God said to have patience. So impatience is a sin. God said marriage is between a man and a woman. So marriage between a man and a man is a sin.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Modern Myth; homosexuality doesn't hurt people

    Fact;
    1. there are approximately 17,000 AIDS related deaths per year in the USA, almost equal to the number of homocides in the US
    2. The society carries the burden of medical treatment for homosexual related diseases (all preventable) and the huge costs for AIDS research
    3. Added to the direct medical costs are the tens of billions of dollars in lost earnings and productivity...There is little doubt that AIDS is a medical and social problem of monumental proportions (Macionis 545).
    4. the homosexual predatory priests cost the Catholic Church hundreds of millions of dollars not including the psychological trauma to the youth
    5. Homosexual predatory Boy Scout leaders cost the Boy Scout Association huge amounts of money not including the psychological trauma to the youth.
    6. A new study in the United Kingdom has revealed that homosexuals are about 50% more likely to suffer from depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the population
    7. Drs. Paul and Kirk Cameron of the Family Research Institute revealed in 2007 that research shows that the lifespan of a homosexual is on average 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual. As a health threat, even smoking pales in comparison, as studies show smoking can shorten one's life by only 1 to 7 years on average."

    you have not a scintilla of personnal witness to validate that any of this is the truth. everyone of your statements were made those who were motivated by a bias to make them.

    heterosexuals have been guilty of these same anti social acts but their orientation is not suspect.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet, so if your life is supposedly exhibiting good fruit that frees you to willfully live in sin, that is of course if that sin doesn't hurt or offend anyone else, but all sin offends God and caused His Son to endure a horrendous punishment that He truly did not deserve. You really need to get out from behind that fruit stand!

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Their fruit....like doing the will of the Father? And since the Father said marriage is between a man and a woman, then anything other than that would be bad fruit.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ww, I personally never said homosexuality is a crime, but if a couple participates in the sexual practices of homosexuality they violate God's design for sexual intimacy which may not be a crime but in the sight of God it is a sin. There are a number of sins that supposedly don't hurt anyone such as lusting after another woman, but all sin offends God and required His Son, Jesus Christ to die on the Cross so that we could receive God's forgiveness for our sins and have the opportunity to enter into a personal relationship with God through the person and finished work of His Son, Jesus Christ alone.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If the Bible spoke directly to every sin it would be the size of Texas. "

    absolutely....................that makes it even more appropriate that jesus would have given the litmus test"you will recognize them by their fruit."

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet,
    God didn't speak against Islam, so Islam must be acceptable to God. He didn't speak against Buddhism either, or humanism, or atheism, or communism, or socialism....all these must be okay.

    No wonder people believe that there is more than one way to heaven. God help us. The world has become so open minded that their brains fell out.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet, God spoke plain and clear on what His original and only design for marriage and sexual intimacy is and both are spoken to in both the Old and New Testament and no other option from God is shown in any way and you as yet have provided any substantiated proof to show otherwise. And hiding behind your fruit stand as I said earlier is getting you no where.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dp

    "i know many gay people and each has told me of their lives and the codependency they live in."

    there are heterosexuals that live codependent lives........what has codependency have to with orientation?

    are you saying that the ones you know speak for 320 million in the world.

    was it that you knew them, because they the ones who were uncomfortable with their orientation, which could be about an issue about sexual identity and because they were given over to sexual addiction.

    why would they be talking about their lives to you?

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Modern Myth; homosexuality doesn't hurt people

    Fact;
    1. there are approximately 17,000 AIDS related deaths per year in the USA, almost equal to the number of homocides in the US
    2. The society carries the burden of medical treatment for homosexual related diseases (all preventable) and the huge costs for AIDS research
    3. Added to the direct medical costs are the tens of billions of dollars in lost earnings and productivity...There is little doubt that AIDS is a medical and social problem of monumental proportions (Macionis 545).
    4. the homosexual predatory priests cost the Catholic Church hundreds of millions of dollars not including the psychological trauma to the youth
    5. Homosexual predatory Boy Scout leaders cost the Boy Scout Association huge amounts of money not including the psychological trauma to the youth.
    6. A new study in the United Kingdom has revealed that homosexuals are about 50% more likely to suffer from depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the population
    7. Drs. Paul and Kirk Cameron of the Family Research Institute revealed in 2007 that research shows that the lifespan of a homosexual is on average 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual. As a health threat, even smoking pales in comparison, as studies show smoking can shorten one's life by only 1 to 7 years on average.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "because god did not speak to it directly in scripture."

    Jesus died to set the captives free. He died to free those in bondage and slaves to sin. The entire concept of slavery is what Jesus died to end. People here in the south simply didn't want to accept the simplicity of the Bible and follow the example of Jesus.

    If the Bible spoke directly to every sin it would be the size of Texas.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You blame your war against homosexuality on an ancient text which you call God's law. Are you just following orders? Take some responsibility for your position."

    I'd be glad to!!! My beliefs are based on the fact that Jesus died in my place to give me the relationship with God that I couldn't have otherwise. Life in Christ FREES me to live a better life. I live a life in grace and mercy knowing that God loves me and cares for me. Such things have happened in my life which cannot be explained by random chance or coincidence over the period of more than 45 years.

    My "war against homosexuality" is a war to free people. I know many gay people and each has told me of their lives and the codependency they live in. That codependency has manifested itself in being gay. I have not met ONE gay person who isn't codependent and neither have any of the gay people I know.

    It doesn't matter if it's being gay, drug and alcohol abuse, other sexual issues (fornication, adultry, transexual, ect.) or just being willing to lie on your taxes. Jesus died to free us from our sin nature and have a loving relationship with Him.

    My responsibility for my faith has brought me into many ministry opportunities such as working with special needs children as a lay advocate and being on the board of a brain tumor advocacy organization. The entire life of Jesus was based in ministering to people.

    Most everyone I work with knows I am a Christian and is somewhat surprised I don't cram it down their throat! I just tell them that being a Christian is about a relationship with God and not a bunch of rituals. They see it and even ask questions about it. I bring Biblical principles into working with them simply because they are commonsense approaches to their issues. I bring what works.

    How's that for starters...we do have a text limit here you know!

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And God spoke directly to marriages. As being designed for one man and one woman. Anything outside of that is a sin.

    there are no words in scripture that say specifically that. it is not dealt with in scripture.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God didn't speak against Islam, so Islam must be acceptable to God. He didn't speak against Buddhism either, or humanism, or atheism, or communism, or socialism....all these must be okay.

    No wonder people believe that there is more than one way to heaven. God help us. The world has become so open minded that their brains fell out.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And God spoke directly to marriages. As being designed for one man and one woman. Anything outside of that is a sin.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer

    "God"s Word does not speak to something does not mean God is opposed to it,"


    but in this case God "does not speak" specifically to both kinds of marriages and both sexual intimacies.

    why is it so difficult to understand why i bring up ethnic slavery?

    because god did not speak to it directly in scripture, 10 million africans experienced brutal torturous treatment in their enslavement.

    a civil war was fought over the right of the federal government to impose cessation over the enslavers. it was a war that cost the lives of 2 million soldiers, and billions of dollars of property damage.
    because god did not speak to it directly in scripture. every denomination in this country split, except for the episcopal church.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    What Would Flying Spaghetti Monster Do:
    You came on to a Christian news site as an avowed atheist.
    You choose a screen name that is DELIBERATELY offensive.
    You argue with EVERY scriptural post on here.
    The posters here LOVINGLY try to point you to the One who will bring you eternal life with Him.

    And then you call Daniel Paul mean and irresponsible? Glass houses, my friend. Glass houses.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jesus has been proven to be an historical person who actually lived, was crucified, and rose again. The archaelogical and historical evidence is there.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    At least our "war" is fought in the courts, in the polls, and on our knees in prayer. Which is the same way that homosexuals fight (with the exception of prayer, perhaps).
    Now you want to talk about war...go to a Muslim chatroom and start promoting your pro-gay propaganda, and see what kind of reaction you'll get. Maybe a couple death threats?
    Islam says death to homosexuals. Christianity says, call sin sin, and God will deal with the judgement. If you choose not to believe that there is a God, then you'll be fine for your 75 or so years (if you're lucky) on earth. After that, you can prove to me how you take responsibility for your choices. It won't be so easy then.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I see that you did not specifically address the prophecies in Daniel 2 & 7 or the detailed account of the coming messiah, which Jesus fulfilled . . . why?" --Online

    Online,

    Apparently the concept of writing stories based on older stories is completely incomprehensible to several people here.

    Of course I didn't address specific prophecies. The point is that once a prophecy has been written, it is easy to write another story later on that matches the prophecy in the older story. This is not rocket science, here, but apparently many simply can't grasp this simple concept.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    DP,

    You accused me of basing my morality on biology and extended that to a complete lack of morals. Nothing could be further from the truth. I believe people should be responsible for their choices: much more than christians generally do, I might add. That's one reason I'm a humanist. Ancient myths do not excuse you from being mean to people.

    Homosexuality is not evil. It does not hurt people, except where it crosses the false morality that right-wing christians are so proud of. Murder is a choice that hurts people. Adultery is a choice that hurts people. Homosexuality is only a crime to people like you.

    You blame your war against homosexuality on an ancient text which you call God's law. Are you just following orders? Take some responsibility for your position.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet, as long as that fruit is real and genuine, as I said earlier some wax fruits can appear to look very real and can even fool many people. What is this "ethnic slavery" thing you keep bringing up? And yes, just because God"s Word does not speak to something does not mean God is opposed to it, but in this case God speaks to both marriage and sexual intimacy and He offers no other options.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    yet we know that something does not have to be specifically mentioned in scripture to be of god.

    that is why"you will recognize them by their fruit."

    and why you do not see " ethnic slavery is an intolerable evil"

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet, as I said you have yet to provide any scripture that specifically addresses that God offers another alternative in these two matters. You can hide behind your fruit stand all you want but that doesn't change God's truth and teachings on these matters one iota.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP,
    Amen. As satan said then "Did God really say....?"

    And he still uses that line today to deceive countless numbers.

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "Some want to be equal in God, equal in spirit, equal in witness, equal in blessings, and equal in the Christian name, but yet, do not want to be equal in biblical truth. "

    Kind-o started with Adam and Eve, no?

  • Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Its not suprising that so many "Christians" believe that Christianity isn't the only way to heaven, and don't believe in hell. They "interpreted" away anything and everything that is truth, until all they're left with is a religion and god that they have made in their image.

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