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Church|Mon, Dec. 22 2008 09:08 AM EST

Churches More Informal, Diverse than a Decade Ago

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

“Congregations apparently have enthusiastically embraced new information technologies,” Chaves noted in the detailed article found in the latest issue of the journal Sociology of Religion.

In other findings, the median congregation is the same size today as it was in 1998 (75 regular participants); the median person still attends a congregation that is the same size as it was in 1998 (400 regular participants); the overall level of conflict within congregations has not changed much since 1998, with 26 percent of congregations experiencing a conflict in the last 2 years that led some people to leave and only 2 percent of congregations reporting a conflict over homosexuality; and there has been no increase since 1998 in the extent of congregational involvement in social services, in the percent of congregations receiving public funds in support of their social service work, or in the extent of congregations’ collaborations with government.

The National Congregation Study Wave II compared 1,505 congregations in 2006-2007 with 1,234 in 1998. About 60 percent of the NCS-II questions replicate those from the 1998 study. The data was mostly gathered via telephone, along with some in-person, interviews between May 2006 and April 2007.

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  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Thanks, sis.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet,
    Once while in worship a gentlemen leading the table said....just ponder for a moment all the brothers and sisters we are sharing this moment with.....Let's just say, I can't wait to meet every last one of them, but in the meantime, I get a chance to meet just a few that will leave a lasting impression....like you.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Reborn August 22, 1985.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:35 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    forgiven,

    "Yes, I am a member of the Church of Christ."

    AHA! I knew it!

    Actually I didn't. But you know what's cool? Is that we're all from differing denominations, and we never discussed our denominations beliefs directly or said that our denomination was the correct one. How wonderful it is when brothers and sisters can dwell in unity. Unfortunately, it appears the sisters outnumber me right now. LOL.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner

    " Reborn, April 19, 1992. "

    Praise God!

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star,
    I am still relatively young in the faith compared to some of the posters on here. Reborn, April 19, 1992.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star,
    Actually, I listen to whatever my teenage daughter downloads on my MP3.

    Yes, I am a member of the Church of Christ.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner

    Do you by chance go to the Church of Christ? I went to one back in the late 80's for a short while. No instruments were used in their services.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner

    OK. What kind of gospel music do you like the best?

    I personally like the praise and worship music like Magesty, I like the old hymns of the faith that you find in the Hymn book, and I like gospel trumpet but not the kind that is all jazzed up.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    When I am not in Worship service I do listen to instrumental Christian music, yes.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner

    When you are not in Church, do you listen to gospel music where instruments are used to accompany the singer?

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Let me make a quick distinction. God has granted many with musical talent and if those talents are used to glorify Him this is indeed glory and honor and pleasing to God. (My husband is a drummer as well as my daughter; she also plays the piano. No musical talent in me whatsoever.)

    My stance is in His corporate worship were I believe through Scripture He has moved us through the veil to a new worship as He has asked us to worship. Using the instrument of our voices to sing to Him no longer bond to musical instruments to move us, but through the Holy Spirit.

    I believe He has set up through His Son and the Apostles that we are to set aside the first day of the week to 1) Sing 2) partake of the Lord's supper, 3) reading of public scripture, 4) prayer, 5) collection.

    Let me also add that although I see worshipping as a lifestyle, I am referring to what God has asked us to do every first day of the week.

    I am simply sharing with you more understanding into what I believe. (Nothing argumentative in me.)

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Amen. I agree.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet

    >>>I look forward to the day you and I can worship our King together in heaven. <<<

    I don't think it will be too much longer brother. We are for sure in the last days and I believe we have entered into Daniel's 70th week.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star,
    Amen. Whether we use instruments or not, God is pleased with our worship, when it comes from our hearts and spirit. I look forward to the day you and I can worship our King together in heaven. What a glorious day that will be.

    I had the honor of seeing Phil Driscoll in concert once. There is such a strong spirit of praise in his music. I thought I was being raptured already. LOL.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    There was a guy in my Church who played the drums. Sometimes when he played I am telling you I could hear those drums sing.

    Sometimes when I heard Bill Pearce of Night Sounds play his trombone I am telling you I could hear that trombone sing.

    One time when I was listening to Phil Driscol play his trumpet on a Christian radio station I am telling you I could hear that trumpet sing.

    I play the cornet (trumpet). I use to teach the Youth (mainly two boys) in my church during Children's Church. The two boys and I did a special for the Church one Sunday morning. While we were practicing before that day the drums that Preston was playing I am telling you were actually singing.


    Jesus spoke to the Apostle John while on the Isle of Patmos and His voice was one of a trumpet.

    Revelation 1:10 - "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet." (continued)

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    (continued)

    Personally I don't think that God has done away with using musical instruments in a worship service to praise Him with.

    God is the creator of musical instruments. Lucifer, the anointed cherub, was created with musical instruments built into him (Ez 28:13). He used those instruments in a godly way to worship God until iniquity was found in him.

    Musical instruments can be used in a godly way and they can be used in an ungodly/polluted way.

    Ezekiel 28:11-15

    11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

    12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

    13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

    14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

    15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    Again I don't believe there is anything wrong with using musical instruments in a worship service because God created them to be used to worship Him with. I also don't think that there is anything wrong with not using them.

    I attended a couple of times in the early 1990's a full gospel (pentecostal/charismatic) Baptist Church with some friends of mine. I went to the Singles Sunday School class taught by a believer who had served as an elder. He was teaching on the doctrine of laying on of hands that morning. He made a very interesting comment that I fully agree with and thought was very wise admonition. He told us that we should never critize a Church that does not worship like we do with the lifting of our hands, dance, praising God out loud, and etc. because being silent in the Church was biblical too. I really appreciated that.

    I think that wise admonition is applicable here in whether a Church of the living God decides to use musical instruments or not in their praises to God.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:21 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    oy. you guys are terrible. that joke was an udder disaster.

    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081227/top-10-most-popular-news-of-2008.htm

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:00 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven, yes, "acapulco" was a joke and yes I know I better not quit my day job!

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 11:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, don't you mean perpetual mootion!

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    LOL. You know what the definition of perpetual motion is?



    A cow drinking milk.


    Ok, ok..I know I've gotten off the subject. LOL. We needed a little comic relief though. I wonder where Jester is. We could sure use him now.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't know about cows, but my kids seem to do quite often.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Speaking of which, I've always wondered if you could make a cow laugh hard enough to make it spit milk out it's nose. hmmm.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    LOL. Stop making me laugh. I'm gonna spit milk out my nose if you don't stop.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That was a joke?

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    Being a musician, I have heard that joke numerous times. But it's still amusing. LOL.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer, my brother-in-law cannot carry a tune, but we sure do love his heart!

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven and prophet, you guys are sure a tough audience, but as for singing, I'm asked a lot to sing solo tenors, so low they can't hear me and to make sure to sing ten or more miles down the road!!!

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    LOL! a cappella.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Acapulco? Isn't like with bathing suits and steel drums? LOL

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thank you, Prophet.

    believer, that's funny.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven, sounds good to me and I know at times some of the churches I've attended may have been better off if they would have sung "acapulo" since the piano player was really bad!

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Frogiven,

    Thanks. For some reason, I felt that you were. Maybe it's the Spirit we share revealing it. LOL. But I hope God is blessin you and your family.

    I've never really thought about it too much, but I have wondered if I had the spirit of discernment. There are a number of my coworkers and a couple of my customers that I felt in my spirit were Christians. They never talked about God to me or anything, it was just something in my spirit. And come to find out, I was right. LOL.

    You are a wise and gifted woman. I know that God is doing great things in you.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A she.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven,
    Thank you. I appreciate your grace and wisdom. But I still have a question. Are you a he...or a she? LOL. I didn't want to be calling you a he if you're a she. LOL.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet and believer,
    Scripture does not give example or instruction for the use of instrumental music in the NT Chruch therefore I do prefer to remain silent on this issue. The use of musical instruments were part of OT worship and therefore I lean toward the use of instrumental music being done away with in the NT worship. BUT, God never once calls the use of musical instruments a sin so I choose to leave that in the realm of grace.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I hope that forgiven is able to come back and clarify it for himself. And also let me know if he is a he or a she...lol.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yeah, kinda. I hate to answer for him. But it seems that it is a doctrine to them, but it seems that he himself finds no fault in those who choose to worship with music. I mean, they use the lack of scripture to facilitate their views. To me, the lack of scripture merely means that there has been no change in the way something is done.
    But it seems that he and I both agree that it doesn't matter, as long as it's done in the spirit.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, thanks for the answer, so in essence it's more of a preference than a biblical doctrine for them?

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    He doesn't. I asked him if he thought that worshipping God with instruments was a sin and he said "no". But it is a doctrine that they practice in their church.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven, my sense is though that you and your church have no issue with those churches that do use musical instruments in their worship services?

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That sounds a little too much like me. It drives my wife crazy. She says I'm going to give her ulcers if I don't tone it down a little. LOL.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I wasn't that far off afterall. ;-)

    I like to think that they were full of zeal! Perhaps, outspoken enough to purposely get themselves into a little mischief/opportunites to impress the Word! They certainly did not mind getting run out of town and may have enjoyed the danger a bit.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually, one of the first bands I played in was called Boanerges.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Thanks. LOL. I wish the Bible expounded a little more on why they were called that. I've often wondered. Was it because they were outspoken and on the edge? Or was it because they were always stirring up mischief? LOL

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It was a compliment!

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    LOL..."Son of thunder". LOL. I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or not.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 4:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am glad we got that cleared up. Because I agree with you whole heartedly. Whether there are instruments, or not, if your heart is right in worship, God smiles and is blessed. By the way, many years ago, I visited a church that practiced worship the way you do. And I felt the spirit move just as much as it does in mine. I was truly blessed. And so was God.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I believe that will be between the (music) worshipper and God, but I will say that if one places more emphasis on the music moving them than the Holy Spirit then, yes, there may be a problem.


    I believe we should rename you one of the sons of thunder. :-).

    Oh, and because I do not want you to see me as circumventing; no is my answer.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 3:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So, do you believe that worshipping with instruments is a sin?

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