Pope Condemns Homosexual Behavior

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Saving mankind from homosexual and transsexual behavior is just as important as saving the rainforest from destruction, said Pope Benedict on Monday.

Vatican Clarifies Support for Decriminalizing Homosexuality

In an end-of-year address to Vatican officials, the Pope said the Catholic Church “should also protect man from the destruction of himself.”

A “sort of ecology of man is needed,” he said.

The Catholic Church strongly opposes homosexual relationships and same-sex unions.

“The tropical forests do deserve our protection. But man, as a creature, does not deserve any less,” he said in the address, which was later released to the media.

In an attack on transsexuals, the Pope said, “It is not man who decides who is a man or woman but God.”

Non-heterosexual behavior was “a destruction of God’s work,” he said, adding that humanity needed to “listen to the language of creation” to properly define the roles of man and woman.

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newfloor11 »

Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:11 am Agree: 4 Disagree: 0

There's is so much "homosexual behavior" taking place behind closed doors of the Vatican I wouldn't be surprised if the Pope were a 'mo'
mysticalguy188 »

Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:25 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Mike, in my high school history book, it divided Christianity into three branches: Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism. I always viewed it that way because, frankly, that's the way it is. A Protestant is a Christian who fits ANY of three definitions of Protestant:
1.) Apart of a Christian denomination that protested the Church during the Reformation
2.) A Christian in a denomination that formed after the Church
3.) A Christian in a denomination who rejects the Pope as Christ's Representative on Earth.

Even Merriam-Webster back my viewpoint. The part after "Broadly" sums it up. Even though it's broad, it's still the definition. Even if you get rid of that part, I think you fall in definition 1.b.

Source:
(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protestant%5B1%5D)
3.) A C
Gr8tgary38 »

Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:04 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 3

The gospel is the "ecology of man", it is what is needed to save and bring man back to what God intended for him and woman to be. I applaud the Pope in this endeavor and hope this will be a stand that the Church will nit change from.
Forgivensinner »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:37 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Ohhh. Ok.
Mike22685 »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

I don't think its necessarily derogatory, I think its more just a blanket "us and them" mentality.
Forgivensinner »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:34 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Thanks, Mike
So basically, it's a derogatory term and Catholics use it as such. (Sometimes I feel so niave.)
Mike22685 »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:50 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

In Catholic teaching, born again Christians would be considered Protestants because the Catholic Church views any Christian who is a non-catholic christian to basically be protesting the faith (starting with the 95 theses of martin luther)
jester in the Kings court »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:46 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

the only socio communists i see are certain catholics....
Forgivensinner »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:49 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

tlml wrote: "CP being an overly Protestant site "

I have noticed that you and others seem to refer to any other than Catholic as Protestant; is this true? Do you see any one outside Catholicism as Protestant?
thelordismylight »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:52 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Jester-

Why you are right, you see, we Catholics are individuals, but CP being an overly Protestant site is turning socio-communist fast. The majority at all costs, the majority at all costs, the Holy Majority, Holy Society, Many before One, the treachery goes on and on.
thelordismylight »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:51 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Prophet-

Can you post exactly what my cuss's were? It's only fair, if you flag my remark and ask me to repost it, that you remember what you flagged it for.
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:01 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

jester,

you live up to you r name. :)

Its unfortunate my response to feet had to be so long, especially since I realize it will do him little good.
jester in the Kings court »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:29 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

wbmoore,
some of us don't like to read that much. can you use more pictures? i like pictures.
jester in the Kings court »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 1:04 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

communism at it's finest..right here on cp
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:57 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Flagged as inappropriate. show (page 6) " you have yet to say what spirit homosexuality is given over to that comes against the fruit of the spirit. you have yet to show what fruit homosexuality produces that comes against the fruit of the spirit.__without this it cannot be declared a sin" I HAVE said - People are either of God or of Satan. People who choose to willfully sin against God, such as murders, liars, and homosexuals are the children of Satan, until such time as they repent and quit sinning and turn to God. Once they turn away from their sin, and to God, they are then children of God. "surely if peter was led by the law he would have dismissed his vision as a bad dream. if abraham was led by discernment of what was pagan and what was of god, he would have never sacrificed isaac." Not true - there was lots of child sacrifice in pagan cultures. But Abraham trusted what God had told him and obeyed. "_it is amazing that you put so much emphasis on this so called law which is really not the law under the new covenant because it has nothing to do with loving ones neighbor as oneself." Then you disagree with scripture - because God made it clear that the 2 greatest commandments of the law was to love God with all your mind, body, and soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Therefore, to follow what God has taught is to love Him and your neighbor - not for justification but from love. "__the reason christ came was because man could not keep the law. that's the reason for the crucificition and why we now live under grace. christ paid for everything we cannot do.__by following it we receive no righteousnes because physically following something is not the same as abiding in the spirit, which we do thru grace thru faith." Actually, the Law was put in place to show us our need for Christ. Gal 3:24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. We are not under the supervision of the law, but this does not mean it does not teach us right and wrong froms God's perspective. " you would believe that your human understanding of something that cannot be kept, trumps something of the spirit." No. Nothing trumps God. God has made it clear everything is to be tested, and if it does not line up with what God has previously said, then it is not from God. This is very different from just following what you think your heart is telling you. "you dont think that satan cant deceive someone by influencing their understanding of the law." I did not say that. I said it has to line up with what God has already said. You have been shown time and again where God has said to NOT commit certain sexual acts. Yet, you continue to try to justify your sinful desires. hide
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:57 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

(page 5)
In rerference to
1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

"jesus said follow me , and jesus spoke and ate with all kinds including one of his own apostles who was stealing from community funds and apparntly never received jesus as his lord and savior. if this was done by one who lived daily with christ daily, imagine the mutitude of responses from those outside the apostles with whom jesus spoke. therefore it would appear that paul was referring to ones personnal life. such as the friendships that christ sought with john and peter."

No, Paul was referring to people who claim to be brothers in Christ and yet sin. He was very clear about that. He said to not even eat with them.

"show me in the new testament when it wasnt appropriate to share the spirit of christ with friend or foe. how can one love someone with the love that is god and not share the spirit of christ. they are all of the same spirit"

It is always appropriate to share the love of God, it is not appropriate to have someone who claims to be a brother in Christ and yet sins purposefully and willfully as part of the assembly of God. By handing them over to Satan, you ARE showing love - tough love.

"all churches are entitled to set standards for membership, the man that was thrown out, clearly, in having his father's wife, was violating direction of the second commandment."

The same is true for people who have homosexual sex.

"why is it that you value witness, but have no witness. you have trfused togive any witness regarding homosexuals."

I am not sure what you mean concerning witness regarding homosexuals. I have known plenty of homosexuals who are nice people, yet they continue to disregard what God has said. Just because they are nice people does not mean they will go to heaven.

"which do think is greater the witness of your heart thru spirit that is without rationalization an is simply an acknowledgement thru the eyes of your heart of what is in the spirit and where the spirit rests or your human rationalization of what is of the a spirit."

But you also are attempting to rationalize what is from the spirit of God - the difference is that I test it. Everything must be tested. If it does not line up with what God has told us already, then it is not from God.

"peter's rationalization was according to the eating laws of 2000 years, it was his witnessed conversation of the spirit thru his heart that forced his to acknowledge something other."

God made it clear that He loved Gentiles and Jews - which is what was already said in Jeremiah. Again, What God told Peter in the vision was the same as what was already written.
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:48 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

(page 4)
"it is coming to christ that modifies what we understand in scripture. it thru the one who lives in us that our understandingis modified"

As I've said before, without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to understand what God has said, but this does not mean that God has changed what He said.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God does not change.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Malachi 3:6 I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

Hebrews 7:21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him: "The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever.' "

"on this site i hear alot of lip service about christ. yet in discussion the emphasis is on "god's word"which is euphemism for "my interpretaion of scripture".

I only hear you inventing things and ignoring what God has said. If you ignore God and choose to sin against Him, your neighbor and yourself, how can you believe you are led by the Holy Spirit?

"you have ignored all the posted gospel verses about FRUIT please address them in regards to homosexuality and annotate. "

No, I have not ignored them. You might have not understood my answers, but I have answered them. If you want to ask again, please do and I will try to reiterate for you.

"the scriptures you credit peter with seeing did not exist at the time of the incident, but yes there are scriptures about christ coming to the gentiles in isaiah."

I never credited Peter with seeing scripture. You are confused again, or at best not communicating well.

Peter was given a vision which explained that the new covenant mentioned in Jeremiah is for all people (Jer. 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:7-13), just as Abraham was told all nations would be blessed through him (Genesis 18:18; Genesis 22:18). This expanded upon what God had already said - not changed it.
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:47 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

(page 3)
"and in regards to the law in essence there is only one law" love your neighbor as yourself"

This is what scripture actually says about the law and love:
Romans 13:8-14
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. 11 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

You are to leave sin behind - if you sin against your neighbor or cause him to sin, you are not loving your neighbor as yourself.

"whatever there is in scripture it does not violate anyof these."

Scripture says to not sin and that homosexual sex is sin. So having homosexual sex is to sin against God, your neighbor, and yourself.

" your point is that your interpretation of scripture trumps these."

No, my point is that any message you think comes from God must line up with what God has already said.

"in acuality it is the reverse it is what is received thru the spirit that mofifies what is received thru scripture."

john 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life."

You are wrong on your interpretation of this verse. Christ himself said that the problem the Jews had is they thought the scripture gave them life, when it is God himself who does so.
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:46 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

(page 2)
"under the new covenent there is only one" word of god" that is the resurrected christ who has been given all authority and judgement."

You're trying to pick nits, but even so, you are wrong. The Christ is known as the word of God (John 1:1), but so is the Scripture - that which God has spoken. In fact, we can see in 2 Timothy 3:16-4:4 that scripture is the word.

Acts 17:13
When the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, they went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up.

Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

Romans 3:1-2
1 What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? 2 Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God.

Titus 2:5
to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

2 Timothy 3:16-4:4
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage - with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Hebrews 13:7
Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith.

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

1 John 2:4-6
4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
wbmoore »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:45 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Feet,

"shame is from without ? not possible."

I did not say shame is from without. I said something is worthy of sin.

I have great difficulty conversing with you. Satan has blinded you and confused your thoughts so that you do not understand what others understand clearly and you do not communicate clearly so others can understand you.

There are two types of emotions - one from God, and one that is worldly.

2 Corinthians 7 :10-11
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. 11 See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter.

The matter Paul was discussing was the not condemning of someone in sexual immorality. The church at Corinth proved themselves innocent by becoming indignant at the sin and kicking out the sinner. We are to be offended by sin and have nothing to do with people who call themselves a brother in Christ and yet are immersed in sin.

"god has put his laws in our hearts and in our minds, been given a heart of flesh, created us thru the spirit of christ, christ lives in us."

Christ only lives in you IF you obey. Christ is the source of salvation for those who obey him (Hebrews 5:9). If you do not obey God, you do not love God (1 John 5:3).

"no human believer or otherwise can violate the essence of their creation without experiencing inner shame, and believers more so."

Again, you and God do not agree. People can harden their hearts and loose all sensitivity, so they do not experience shame, but lust for more sin.

Ephesians 4:17-19
17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more.

Hebrews 3:13
But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness.

"homosexuals believers worship and serve christ the same as heterosexual believers."

people only worship God if they obey God, otherwise, they merely claim to worship. If people choose to live in sin, they are worshipping themselves and not God - serving a created thing (themselves) instead of the creator (God). This is why people were handed over to sin in Romans 1.
Prophet »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:00 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

tliml,
So, can you replease repost your remark to me WITHOUT the cussin?
thelordismylight »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:13 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 55

And as a reference, even though Jester's post was a little on the downs-syndrome side, contained flames, and was offensive, I'm NOT a baby. So I DIDN'T flag it. :)
thelordismylight »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:12 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 55

Jester-

Nope no anurism, I'm afraid you'll STILL have to see logic no matter HOW much it hurts your little brainwashed protestant mind. :)
Prophet »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:25 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Forgiven,
"It was amusing, though, computers tend to have a mind of their own most of the time."

That's why I refer to my computer as my third kid. The only difference is that I can shut off my computer.
Forgivensinner »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:42 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet wrote: "my apologies when i hit the "ok"button to send my message and my computer went" wacko". i pulled the plug....... apparently not soon enough."

No apoplogies necessary. It was amusing, though, computers tend to have a mind of their own most of the time.
feetxxxl »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:39 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, what is up with the same post nine times?
Happy New year to you!

and a happynew year to you...........................my apologies when i hit the "ok"button to send my message and my computer went" wacko". i pulled the plug....... apparently not soon enough.
Prophet »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:01 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

tliml,
"If you see a baseball that you cannot afford, but you want it, are you sinning?"

DUH! No. Why in the world would that be sinning? There's a lot of things I'd like to have that I can't afford. So what? I'm waiting for your twisted answer.
Wilderness1 »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:06 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Caesar? Oh, the salad. Cassius? Oh, the eye ware line. Brutus? Oh, the mascot of The Ohio State University. Casca? Oh, The Canadian Astronomical Society.
thelordismylight »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:57 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

And forget not the great Wilderness, prophet of the internet, who hath the thoughtfulness of Caesar, the kindness of Cassius, the foresight of Brutus, and of course the tenderness of Casca.
Wilderness1 »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:45 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Witnesses against homosexual relationship: God, Adam, Eve, Noah, Lot, Lot's wife, Angels, Abraham, Discerning Christians, the Word of God...
thelordismylight »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:12 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Profit$$$-

Yes or No:

If you see a baseball that you cannot afford, but you want it, are you sinning?
thelordismylight »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:11 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Oh and feet-

You should probably have noticed by now that I am not your real enemy. I'm at least giving homosexuals a fighting chance. Profit (I'm calling him Profit since I assume he's a liberal) Online, Star, Grace, less so Daniel, but they are more or less saying just the temptation of being homosexual gets you thrown into the ninth level of hell. However I, a tolerant man by all means, am saying that only the sin of actually acting on those temptations gets you to Hell. So if you wanna concentrate on proving me wrong, go right ahead. Or instead of attacking the guy with the fist, attack the ones with guns. :P
thelordismylight »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:08 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet-

The idea of the Submit button is to only click it once.
Forgivensinner »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:00 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, what is up with the same post nine times?
Happy New year to you!
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:43 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

feet, I meant to address your last statement in my earlier posts, but I think I answered all your questions and statements. If I have not, please let me know.

i would like to say yes, you appear to have walked thru my questions like a man walking thru a mine field.

i hope this time you answer questions about gospel messages and parables about fruit, questions about witness, and as in romans1, what spirit are homosexuals given over so that being homosexual would come against the 2nd commandment?

and if you believe witness is so important why do you have none about homosexuality?
Prophet »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:42 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

The law says (according to Jesus) marriage is between a man and a woman. And so you will be judged.

And before you go off spouting "Where does Jesus say it's law"

John Chapter One says that Jesus is the Word. So when He speaks, he speaks the Word of God. The Word of God is law.
Prophet »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:40 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"god has put his laws in our hearts and in our minds, been given a heart of flesh, created us thru the spirit of christ, christ lives in us."

First, I find it amusing that you count yourself among true Christians.
Second, "12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;"

So, we are judged by the law.
Prophet »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:37 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Jesus ate with the sinners and publicans. True. And I'm sure he did that because he condoned their sin.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Jesus said "I have come to call the sinner to repentance." What the homosexuals won't address is that Jesus hung out with the sinners to get them to change.

O MY WORD! Don't say that! That would go against the second commandment!
That is pathetic. Homosexuals have created God in their own image. And for that, they will be most assuradely be judged.
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:32 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

there "my experience is that what ever shame anyone has about his orientation comes from without, not from within. those who have come out of the closet have experienced a release from shame from living a double life. though they have had feelings and inclinations according to a particular orientation, instead they have lived outwardly a life that would deny it. "

shame is from without ?..............not possible.

god has put his laws in our hearts and in our minds, been given a heart of flesh, created us thru the spirit of christ, christ lives in us.

no human believer or otherwise can violate the essence of their creation without experiencing inner shame, and believers more so.

homosexuals believers worship and serve christ the same as heterosexual believers.

The word of God says to not associate with someone who is sexually immoral and claims to be a brother in Christ, but to put them out of the church that the sinful nature may be destroyed so his spirit might be saved on the day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 5:1-5).

under the new covenent there is only one" word of god" that is the resurrected christ who has been given all authority and judgement. and in regards to the law in essence there is only one law" love your neighbor as yourself"

scripture which is god breathed, thru the holy spirit points to the spirit of god.

whatever there is in scripture it does not violate anyof these. your point is that your interpretation of scripture trumps these. please annotate

in acuality it is the reverse it is what is received thru the spirit that mofifies what is received thru scripture.

john 5:39 You diligently study[a] the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

it is coming to christ that modifies what we understand in scripture. it thru the one who lives in us that our understandingis modified.

on this site i hear alot of lip service about christ. yet in discussion the emphasis is on "god's word"which is euphemism for "my interpretaion of scripture".

you have ignored all the posted gospel verses about FRUIT please address them in regards to homosexuality and annotate.

the scriptures you credit peter with seeing did not exist at the time of the incident, but yes there are scriptures about christ coming to the gentiles in isaiah.

The word of God says to not associate with someone who is sexually immoral and claims to be a brother in Christ, but to put them out of the church that the sinful nature may be destroyed so his spirit might be saved on the day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 5:1-5).

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feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:30 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

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jesus said follow me , and jesus spoke and ate with all kinds including one of his own apostles who was stealing from community funds and apparntly never received jesus as his lord and savior. if this was done by one who lived daily with christ daily, imagine the mutitude of responses from those outside the apostles with whom jesus spoke. therefore it would appear that paul was referring to ones personnal life...................such as the friendships that christ sought with john and peter.

show me in the new testament when it wasnt appropriate to share the spirit of christ with friend or foe. how can one love someone with the love that is god and not share the spirit of christ. they are all of the same spirit

all churches are entitled to set standards for membership, the man that was thrown out, clearly, in having his father's wife, was violating direction of the second commandment.

I do not put little value on what people see, feel, think. Witnesses are very important. But I test it against what I know is from God - Scripture, to be able to know if what the witnesses claim is actually from God. They may be perfectly sincere and honest, but that does not mean they are correct or accurate.

why is it that you value witness, but have no witness. you have trfused togive any witness regarding homosexuals.

which do think is greater the witness of your heart thru spirit that is without rationalization an is simply an acknowledgement thru the eyes of your heart of what is in the spirit and where the spirit rests............................ or your human rationalization of what is of the a spirit.

peter's rationalization was according to the eating laws of 2000 years, it was his witnessed conversation of the spirit thru his heart that forced his to acknowledge something other.

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Prophet »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:29 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Homosexuality is a sin. And should we continue in sin so that grace can abound? No!
Strive to be perfect, not just "good enough".

How can we be dead to sin, and still live in it? Those who profess a relationship with God, and still remain in sin, I would question their relationship....and their adherance to the FIRST commandment (which homosexual "christians" are quick to ignore in these situations)
But is loving our neighbors part of the first commandment? Jesus said that there will be those who say "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

the christian gay community is so much concentrating on "loving your neighbor" that they don't realize they are workers of iniquity.
feetxxxl »

Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

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"Please realize, Paul said we are led by the Spirit if the Spirit of God is in you, but he also said to put to death the misdeeds of the body, to not sin. We ARE to be led by the Spirit of God, but we also are to follow the word of God."

you have yet to say what spirit homosexuality is given over to that comes against the fruit of the spirit. you have yet to show what fruit homosexuality produces that comes against the fruit of the spirit.

without this it cannot be declared a sin.

one cannot serve 2masters he will love one and hate the other

. this is apparent on this site from the comments about spirit and fruit as compared to the same about the law. if you live by the spirit then your witness of the spirit will regulate your human understanding of the law. if you live by the law your understanding will regulate what you are able to witness.

surely if peter was led by the law he would have dismissed his vision as a bad dream. if abraham was led by discernment of what was pagan and what was of god, he would have never sacrificed isaac.

We might think we are being led by God, but in fact are being deceived by Satan. This is why we must measure what we believe to be from God against the measuring rod He has provided - Scirpture. GOD interacts with us through His word as well as through other means. We have His clear word with which to measure what we believe to a message from God, but might be a message from Satan. If the message it lines up with all scripture, then it is from God, but it the message does not line up with Scripture, then it is from Satan.

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