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Education|Wed, Dec. 24 2008 12:55 PM EST

Vatican Recasting Galileo as Man of Faith

By Associated Press Writer|Nicole Winfield

Benedict, a theologian, has made exploring the faith-reason relationship a key aspect of his papacy, and has directed his daily newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, in particular, to take up the charge.

On Monday, the newspaper published a piece on the possibility of alien life on other planets as well as one on the popes who were "friendly" to astronomy.

Benedict clearly is: In his Sunday blessing, he noted that the Vatican itself has its own meridian _ an obelisk in St. Peter's Square _ and that astronomy had long been used to signal prayer times for the faithful.

But the Vatican's embrace of Galileo only goes so far.

There were plans earlier this year to give Galileo a permanent place of honor in the Vatican to mark the anniversary of his telescope: a statue, to be located inside the Vatican gardens, donated by the Italian aerospace giant Finmeccanica SpA.

The plans were suspended after some Vatican officials voiced "problems" with the initiative, said Nicola Cabibbo, the president of the Pontifical Council for Science. He declined to elaborate.

Finmeccanica spokesman Roberto Alatri said the Galileo statue was just an idea that never got off the ground.

Italian news reports suggested the Vatican simply didn't want to draw so much permanent attention to the Galileo episode, which 400 years on, still rankles some.

"The dramatic clash between Galileo and some men of the Church left wounds that are still open today," the Vatican's chief astronomer, the Rev. Jose Funes, wrote recently in Osservatore. "The Church in some ways has recognized its errors.

"Maybe it could do better. One can always do better," he wrote.

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  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Happy New Year to all!

    Putting on the mind of the Christ, we should spend New Year's Eve thanking God for the blessings He has given us the past year!

    May God richly bless you in 2009! May He watch over you, guide and protect you, keep you healthy and happy, and keep you in His perfect will! Amen!"

    To something we agree on! May the next year always be better than the last.

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:47 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Tallguy

    believer, Prophet, wbmoore, Online4Him, and myself have shown you over and over again what some of the heretical teahings of the Catholic Church are but you refuse to listen. What more can we do? Short of a miracle from God you cannot and will not repent towards God.

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    beliver, toss out that Baltimore Catechism, it was never an official publication of the Church.

    Instead, you need to purchase a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church or as you said Google it. It's also on the Vatican website, www.vatican.va Read through it, and try to find the supposedly "unbiblical" stuff if you can. Bet you can't! So until you read it, please quit flapping your lips, it's slander.

    It's a well written book, great guide for any Christian. And I especially love the section on "Life in Christ" and the section on "Christian Prayer"

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:29 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Happy New Year to all!

    Putting on the mind of the Christ, we should spend New Year's Eve thanking God for the blessings He has given us the past year!

    May God richly bless you in 2009! May He watch over you, guide and protect you, keep you healthy and happy, and keep you in His perfect will! Amen!

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:23 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    Why waste any money at all, you can type in Baltimore Catechism and see it online for free and be exposed to the many unbiblical teachings of the catholic church.

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:49 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    (In that way you will get the full snapshot of our (soon to be yours) wonderful Catholic faith!)

    I have a copy and ummm, it is hardly the full snapshot . . . try reading your Bible without imposing your tradition into it and then you will get the full snapshot of our (hopefully to be yours) genuine Christian faith!

    Have a Happy New Year my friend . . .

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Tallguy wrote: "Have you got a copy of the Catechism? If not, go ahead, spend that $9."

    Seriously? If one converts to catholism do they get a copy for free or do they still have to offer up the $9?

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    No way Wilderness, it doesn't work that way. You say something about someone's faith, you need to back it up. But still, and I'll say it again, I've noticed that you are reading Catholic material. That's great, keep it up! Have you got a copy of the Catechism? If not, go ahead, spend that $9. In that way you will get the full snapshot of our (soon to be yours) wonderful Catholic faith!

    Peace in Christ and Happy New Year my Christian brother!

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Listen guys, I have referenced the foot kissing before in other posts. At this time, please, do your own homework and personal research concerning the matter.

    After diligent research, I will understand if you want to come back and share what you deem to be accurate or inaccurate concerning the matter. Thanks and have a good day.

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yeah Wilderness, where'd you dig that stuff up?

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't know, if it's your evidence shouldn't you support it?

  • Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Dig a little deeper.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Judging by the articles that i actually REFERENCED, Pius IX was far ahead of his time, a good man and, quite frankly, an all-around good person! Not unlike Queen Elizabe- Oh wait... that's right...

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    On Pius IX

    As liberal Europe applauded his election, he introduced political reforms on a broad scale. He initiated the construction of railways, and the installation of street lighting throughout Rome. He improved agricultural technology and productivity via farmer education in newly created scientific agricultural institutes. He abolished the requirements for Jews to attend Christian services and sermons and opened the papal charities to the needy of them.[11] He gave much to charities, living like a pauper. The new pope freed all political prisoners by giving amnesty to revolutionaries, which horrified the conservative monarchies in Austria-Hungary and elsewhere[11] Within one year of his election, he appointed an assembly of lay people to assist in the governing of the Papal States. His actions were applauded by Protestant statesman. He was celebrated in New York, London and Berlin as a model ruler.[

    Wilderness I can't find anything of what you said. Odd.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "No it doesn't, it only presupposes life started (somehow), "

    somehow, eh? That is called "faith" dude! You have no answer so you just believe in something unprovable which makes assumptions. This has been my point for 30 years. Evolution is a term used for two different things. One use is the study of changes which have occured in species. The other is a religion set out to disprove creation by elevating science to faith.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Why was only certain forms of life preserved and not the intermediate stages?"

    I am not sure what you mean by this, be more specific with the ones you have issue with as there are many examples of intermediates depending on which lineage we're speaking about.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2,

    Evolutionary gaps abound. Close the gaps by showing/explaining how non-living organic molecules took on life,"

    We don't know enough about this part to provide an accurate description yet, again, this ISN'T evolution, this is organic chemistry, abiogensis, & astrobiology.

    "how then this simple form of life (a bacteria) created more complex life when the necessary chemicals for that to happen were not present,"

    Again Star, I thought last time you simply threw in the towel? I distinctly recall you saying you were threw. Ok, recap, have you comprehended those terms earlier mentioned, if not I will relist them for you.

    "how simople forms of life gave birth to more and more comples forms of life."

    Descent w/ modification via processes like natural selection coupled with genetic mutations which offer novel fitness in a niche.

    "why there is a sudden explosion of more complex life when all the cyanobacteria produced enough oxygen in the atmospehere that caused the explosion of life in the cambrian age."

    O2 is a metabolic fuel for higher (more complex) life forms, something they could use & compete for once it reached a sufficient level & the ecology allowed for it. NS would select those which would use it as opposed to others which couldn't, IE, new organisms evolved to take advantage of the more O2 rich ecology.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Blacksho89

    "FACT: ALL life is dependent on DNA."

    That does not compute. Actually, many microbial (most actually) use RNA for replication.

    "Darwinism (I know you hate that term, prorudenezz!) does not attempt to explain from where the first living creature came. It cannot."

    Bravo, evolution can't explain it as it doesn't pertain to it, just like how gravity can't be used to explain quantum mechanics although it operates with the realm of physics.

    "Darwinism ASSUMES life came from non-life, sometime, somewhere. That it is patently impossible does not appear to bother the defenders of the evolutionary theory."

    B/c we've been trying for what, 50 years, to create synthetic life then to you it's now impossible?

    "Evolutionists now concede that the Earth cannot POSSIBLY be old enough for DNA to have been created from static, non-living chemicals."

    Not really, the age of the universe & earth are plenty old, life appeared not too long after 1 billion years of earths formation.

    "The theory of Directed Panspermia advanced by Dr. Francis Crick and famous atheist Richard Dawkins states that DNA arrived from an alien civilization. Of course, that only puts the question off. But I'll ask it: Where did the first living cell in THAT civilization come from?"

    We don't know, they propose this alternative hypothesis as science is open to any natural explanation so long as evidence supports it, so we can't rule it out on face value.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Grace2 (star2?)

    "They say the 7 identical ERV's prove it."

    Uhhh, no, it's not simply that there are 7 shared ones, which prove it, it's those, plus many other lines of independent evidence which collectively conform to a pattern of descent w/ modification - evolution.

    Using a similar type of argument:

    My light bulb puts out light. The sun puts out light. Therefore, my light bulb evolved from the sun."

    Neither your light nor the sun are living biological systems, they don't have offspring, don't use DNA/RNA for replication & hereditary so this is a strawman. As they say, the devil is in the details, you simply can't ignore all the critical properties of how organisms work and apply an analogy with a sun.

    "But evolutionists know that children believe what they are taught."

    I guess so, and the clergy know this as well, learning is after all a part of growing up.

  • Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Online4him,

    "If the concept of natural selection is clearly untestable"

    Huh, what gave you that indication? What makes you think natural selection isn't testable?

    DP, The problem is that the concept of evolution is flawed. It presupposes that something came from nothing."

    No it doesn't, it only presupposes life started (somehow), it is not at all related to cosmology nor astronomy which are related to the BB theory which is sometimes (wrongly) conflated to mean 'something from nothing' as per the inception of the universe. The begging of the universe & how life diversifies are 2 totally different things.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:12 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    Tallguy1000, "wilderness, are you talking about the way you butcher the Word of God to suit your own understanding? A little of this, a little of that?"

    Pope Pius IX grants an "indulgence" for kissing the feet of a bronze statue representing Peter in the Vatican basilica. Later on, it was extended to small images of it if blessed by the pope himself. So, who is butchering the word of God and adding a little of this and a little of that?

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i used to be. but they're not liberal enough.

  • Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:12 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "some of us aren't interested in answers. we just ask lots of questions cuz it annoys people. "

    Oh, so you're a member of the mainstream media?

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    with my cat i always thought that the purr was it revving its engines gettng ready to rip my face apart. of course, continualy blowing in it's ear while it's laying on my lap doesn't help matters much.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    some of us aren't interested in answers. we just ask lots of questions cuz it annoys people.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I have been told its because he has a purr box "

    A purr box in a fur ball....


    If we had all the answers we wouldn't be interested in questions.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "There are many theories to explain how the purr is generated. One study determined that purring involves activation of nerves within the voice box. These nerve signals cause vibration of the vocal cords while the diaphragm serves as a piston pump, pushing air in and out of the vibrating cords, thus creating a musical hum."
    http://www.petplace.com/cats/why-do-cats-purr/page1.aspx

    My cats purr when they want something....

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Tallguy1000, "wilderness, are you talking about the way you butcher the Word of God to suit your own understanding? A little of this, a little of that?"

    Could you be a little more specific? Give me an example of me butchering the Word of God.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 4:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes DP, there always seems to be more questions, its great isn't it. The question I really want an answer to is , why does my cat purr? What is it in him that makes the noise? I have been told its because he has a purr box but I think that there is more to it than that.
    Steve

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:37 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    (FACE THE TRUTH there is ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH founded and established by Jesus Christ)

    You are right; they have been those who, throughout history who have been led by the Spirit:

    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God (Romans 8:14).

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    The one true Church, which is made up from Christians from every denomination. Pentacost, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, etc, etc. Amen, and to God be the glory.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Why are you taking it so personal? There's no hatred. We are merely pointing out the fallacies of the RCC. You sound like a little kid that just got reprimanded. "You don't love me! You hate me!" Immature Christains really annoy me. It's not so much immature Christians, per se, as it is the Christians who don't want to grow.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:27 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "There has been one true Church that has been around for 2000 years, since the time of Christ, and no matter how you try, this FACT can't be denied!"

    Oh, I don't deny that. I'm part of that Church so how can I deny that?

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:27 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    And the more you attack the Holy Catholic Church, the more I'm convinced that it's the one true Church founded by Christ. He said that Hell would not prevail against it, this Holy Church will not fold even with you fellows helping out!

    The way the world attacks Christianity in general, it attacks the Catholic Church even harder, and you are helping this attack! Jesus said, if they persecute (hate) me they will persecute you. So go ahead, hate me and hate my church.... just be sure that you won't eventually have to answer to Jesus for it.

    Besides, what harm has a Catholic or the Catholic Church ever done you? Why the hatred?

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    tallguy,
    "And the more you attack the Holy Catholic Church, the more I'm convinced that it's the one true Church founded by Christ."

    I say that about the protestant faith every single time Catholics belittle them, say they're apostate, say they don't have the "truth". Unfortunately, many protestants have Scripture on their side. Catholics have the traditions of men.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    ll of you need to re-read Tim 3:15 and understand that the Church isin't your little truck stop. How was Christmas Eve by the way? How did you worship Jesus?

    The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus' authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

    FACE THE TRUTH there is ONLY ONE TRUE CHURCH founded and established by Jesus Christ Himself, and it's not yours....

    There has been one true Church that has been around for 2000 years, since the time of Christ, and no matter how you try, this FACT can't be denied!

    It's not your little church of god on the corner, it's not your house, it's not your little truck stop cafe. .

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Tallguy,

    Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar" (Pr 30:6).

    Why would you have a problem with verse?

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:25 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    No. We leave that up to the Catholics.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    wilderness, are you talking about the way you butcher the Word of God to suit your own understanding? A little of this, a little of that?

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Science: the art of having 10 times as many questions each time you think you've found an answer. :)

    As for Cod Roe...not much of a caviar fan. Too hard to scramble with cheese.

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, firstly, and most importantly, have you ever had battered cods roe?

    Concerning plants question, two things. The first is that by the time plants appear on the Earth its rotation is pretty much what it is today, the second is that plant life(as with all living organisms) adapts to the prevailing conditions, this is natural selection and something that even the chaps at AIG have no problem with (its the next bit where the fun starts).
    Steve

  • Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081227/top-10-most-popular-news-of-2008.htm

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Hi DP hope your well."

    Yep! I found an old pub recipe for fish n chips from your side of the pond! :)

    The question still remains if the orbit of the Earth around the sun has stayed constant. The 400 day/year also raises the question of the effect on plant life due to the obvious shift in light hours per day. Although they may adapt it could shift the hardiness zones a bit.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    "The Vatican is recasting the most famous victim..."

    Has not the word of God been a victim also? "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar" (Pr 30:6).

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner,

    Thank you, I appreciate that; pray for us . . .

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Online wrote: "there is still hope."

    There is always hope and it sounds like God is using you purposefully! God bless you and your cousin.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    61 yrs . . . . WOW, that is unheard of these days.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    star2, what I've found with many catholics is that they become a catholic when someone says something deragatory about catholicism, it's kind of like people who profess to to Christians but never appear to show it or share it until someone or something happens to get their dander up.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,

    Yes, too true . . . The same cousin that I mentioned in my last post asked me to be one of the groomsmen at his wedding next month . . . he told me that he and his priest were discussing the arrangements and that he is having the ceremony altered a bit due to his disbelief in some of the things that would normally be said, so, again, there is still hope.

  • Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes. They have been married now for 61 yrs.

    My aunt really is not a true Catholic in heart. My Uncle is one in name only.

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