Just three years ago, half of the U.S. adult population felt the influence of religion on American life was rising. Today, only a little more than a quarter believe so.
A recent Gallup Poll found that just 27 percent of Americans perceive religion's influence to be on the upswing while 67 percent of Americans say religion as a whole is losing influence on American life.
The trend is consistent with those who attend religious services regularly as well as those who seldom or never attend services, with majorities saying religion is losing influence in this country.
Since 2005, the Gallup Poll has recorded a downward trend in those who believe the influence of religion is increasing. The record low for this perception was in 1970 when only 14 percent said religion was increasing in influence at that time.
The last time a majority of Americans felt the influence of religion was rising was in December 2001, just months after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, when 71 percent said religious influence was increasing – the highest percentage Gallup Poll recorded since 1957.
Previous polls show that there was a long period of doubt about the influence of religion during the Vietnam War era – from 1965 through 1975, according to the Gallup report. Then, in the 1980s, religious influence was perceived as growing when religious conservatism, or the "religious right," was gaining prominence during the Ronald Reagan presidency.
The Gallup Poll suggests that the recent waning perception that religion is increasing in influence is "partially a result of the decline of Republican political strength throughout President George W. Bush's second term."
"At the close of 2008, few Americans perceive that religion is thriving in U.S. society, and a relatively small majority believe religion is relevant to solving today's problems," the report stated. "These perceptions may stem in part from the political climate – characterized by a weakened Republican Party and the incoming Democratic administration – as well as from the overwhelming consensus that the main problems facing the country today are economic."
In other major findings, the percentage of Americans who believe that religion can answer society's problems is at an all-time low, with only 53 percent saying religion "can answer all or most of today's problems."
The poll, conducted Dec. 4-7, comes during an economic crisis and at a time when the vast majority of Americans believe the U.S. economy is the nation's greatest challenge.
Meanwhile, over the last several decades, the percentage of those who perceive religion as "largely old-fashioned and out of date" has been on a continuous rise. The latest poll found that 28 percent believe it's old-fashioned.
Among Americans who attend worship services weekly, 82 percent say religion can answer today's problems. Only 27 percent of those who rarely or never attend agreed. Also, Americans across all age groups were more likely to say that religion can answer today's problems than reject it as old-fashioned. But the poll found that confidence in religion to solve problems increased with age (44 percent of 18- to 34-year-olds believe religion can answer problems compared to 52 percent of those 35 to 54 years old and 60 percent of those 55 years and older).
Despite the decreasing confidence in religion among Americans, a majority still says religion plays a very important role in their own lives and self-reported church attendance has not declined this year, the Gallup Poll noted.
Results of the latest poll are based on interviews with 1,009 national adults, aged 18 and older.
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Mr. Johnson, in the book of Proverbs, it is stated that "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge", anyone that take God of the equation is basically an intellectual barbarian without a moral compass.
Mr. Johnson, I do agree that man has been fascinated with the supernatural and mythology, but we as human being have always put a human spin to define those mythological gods. The Christian god is beyond human understanding, he is the source of all learning and understanding.
mt wrote: "Babies are just beautiful, aren't they? Is there anything more beautiful - on so many levels? Congratulations on yours!"
He's a year old now and I am more of great aunt figure ~ I'll take what I can get. My mother emotionally adopted a young girl when I was small and has stayed a part of her life ~ he's her daughter's baby.
Johnzon wrote: "but as time and knowledge move forward, humankind figures it all out."
Yes, but we only learn more of how God created His Creation.
I'm starting to feel like believer with his marriage statement. ;-)
johnzon,
Stephen Hawking did say "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings like us." A Brief History of Time, 1996, p. 131.
Actually, many scientists do delve into the supernatural realm, just not the variety that are bent on the religious foundation of scientism. Creation scientists and ID scientists both deal with the supernatural as part of their science explaining the source for the Intelligent Design. Even former atheists such as Antony Flew, to remain intellectually honest, have come around to believing God to be the Cause for life on earth as this is where the scientific evidence has led.
Science is based on philosophy due to the philosophic presuppositions used for scientific interpretations. And many of the 'scientific' explanation the public gets are just philosophic conjecture.
Eminent scientific philosopher and ardent Darwinian atheist Michael Ruse has even acknowledged that evolution is their religion!
Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion-a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality... Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.
Another way of saying "religion" is "worldview," the whole of reality. The evolutionary worldview applies not only to the evolution of life, but even to that of the entire universe. In the realm of cosmic evolution, our naturalistic scientists depart even further from experimental science than life scientists do, manufacturing a variety of evolutionary cosmologies from esoteric mathematics and metaphysical speculation. Socialist Jeremy Rifkin has commented on this remarkable game.
Cosmologies are made up of small snippets of physical reality that have been remodeled by society into vast cosmic deceptions.
So much for science providing 'hard' evidence
There is nothing in the definition of science that precludes the conclusion that God is the Intelligent Designer, Agent, Cause, or Creator:
sci ence n. 1 the state or fact of knowledge 2 systematized knowledge derived from observation, study and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied
Forgiven, yes, I'm a mutt, too. That's our strength as Americans, I think, even though Grantland (obviously) and Taliaferro (not so obviously) are colonial English names. This is not the forum for this topic, but the Taliaferro (pronounced "toliver") family in America came early in the 17th century to Virginia. Only the British could so thoroughly MISpronounce a name! Babies are just beautiful, aren't they? Is there anything more beautiful - on so many levels? Congratulations on yours!
Gr8tgary38, The Gods and superstition have long been the explanation for the unknown. It was once thought thunderstorms and the plague were the wrath of the gods. I think we know better now.
Sure there is plenty we dont know, as an example, we didn't know how the sun was powered until the advent of nuclear physics, but as time and knowledge move forward, humankind figures it all out.
All matter in the physical world relates to scientific beginnings, but most scientist are limited (blinded) by a reality that they can't understand. The first understanding of any scientific theory comes from the senses but there is a Cause which science can not explain and a knowledge that the human mind can't comprehend, that is where God comes into paly.
HAWK49
<<scientists who recognize a supernatural Cause >>
Scientists do not deal in the supernatural, the supernatural is not science. If scientist cant explain something, a scientist would never say it is a supernatural phenomenon that is unexplainable. A scientist would seek additional data and information to find scientific explanations for the phenomenon.
As far as philosophic explanations for the world and the universe and possibly the nature and existence of the creator are concerned, they hold little value in the world of science. Philosopher once concluded the earth could not possibly spin otherwise we would not be able to stand. Aristotle said logic dictates heavier objects should fall more quickly than heavier ones, he didn't quite get that one right. Aristotle the philosopher was wrong on most if not all the nature of physics as we understand the laws of physics today. Philosophers are ill equipped to answer the questions about the origins and nature of the universe.
Actually here is what professor Hawking actually quoted:
"What I have done is to show that it is possible for the way the universe began to be determined by the laws of science. In that case, it would not be necessary to appeal to God to decide how the universe began. This doesn't prove that there is no God, only that God is not necessary." [Stephen W. Hawking, Der Spiegel, 1989]
"One does not have to appeal to God to set the initial conditions for the creation of the universe, but if one does He would have to act through the laws of physics. "[Stephen Hawking, Black Holes & Baby Universes]
johnzon,
you said, "Hmm, And what theology might that be?? and tell me how science supports said theology"
I can't tell you that, the scientists and science philosophers do, however. For instance, Stephen Hawking, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe should have begun in just this way, except as the act of a God who intended to create beings like us."
You can do the rest of the research if you are truly open to other truth-claims than those found in the religious belief of scientism. Suggest you begin with The Limitations of Scientific Truth by Nigel Brush, What's so Great about Christianity by Diniesh D'Souza and Creation out of Nothing: A Biblical, Philosophical, and Scientific Exploration by Paul Copan and W L Craig. These will guide you to the scientists who recognize a supernatural Cause outside of matter, time and energy.
Forgiven sinner, thank you for the welcome and congradulations on your beautiful child.Another point if Christ is not in any true believer, that person will accept anything that comes their way. Christ sttod for love but that love was for the individual not for the sin.
Forgiven sinner, thank you for the welcome and congradulations on your beautiful child.Another point if Christ is not in any true believer, that person will accept anything that comes their way. Christ sttod for love but that love was for the individual not for the sin.
HAWK49
<<Guys like Hawking, Jastrow, Schroeder, Eddington and Penzias agree that science supports theology. >>
Hmm, And what theology might that be?? and tell me how science supports said theology
johnzon,
you said, "Perhaps your statement is misguided, how do you know that? It might be true, or not. Where is your evidence."
Scripture and science are two sources I use. Science supports the notion that the universe (matter, time and energy) had a beginning and that something independent of the universe brought it into being. Guys like Hawking, Jastrow, Schroeder, Eddington and Penzias agree that science supports theology. To create is the mark of an intelligent designer. The Bible states that God has always been and He is the Creator of the universe. It is a matter of a small step of faith to go from the scientific view to the Bible, but I have come to accept the Bible as ultimate truth.
you said, "PS self-assembly of molecules into membranes can actually be performed in the laboratory and those man-made self-assembled structures are becoming increasingly complex which eventually will lead to man-made living organisms."
Appears to me you are invoking and supporting the legitimacy for intelligent design.
Mt, Well that'll teach you to say those things! We have a beautiful baby boy in our mix (opps no pun intended there) of a white mom and black dad! Beautiful I tell you! Beautiful!
Do you consider yourself center? Neither liberal nor conservative? We need a new word....liberative....conservaral. I apologize for my sense of humor.
Oh and Taliaferro and Grantland? You're a mutt just like the rest of us, huh? No offense intended! Nationaltiy is obsolete these days! I couldn't trace my nationality if I tried. Actually, my grandmother would say I was English, Irish, and Swamp Yankee, but of course that wouldn't account for my father's side of the equation.
" but I guess some CP editor suspected racism, so I got blocked"
I cannot say for sure but the computer may do that all on it's own or it may ask someone at CP. I've got the warning message before for typing what Santa says! Apparently there is a street slang usage of the same term.
forgivensinner, I just saw your much earlier question: "PS Are you the previous mburrell?"
Yes. When I posted a parody using the old, polite, Southern "nigra" several times in place of "Negro" or "African-American" or "black," someone at CP was unamused. My wife and I have a black son-in-law whom we loved dearly, but I guess some CP editor suspected racism, so I got blocked. I had to reapply with a new name, so I included my two middle initials (for Taliaferro and Grantland), but, yes, I am the previous mburrell.
I resisted signing up again, until SOMEbody wrote SOMEthing that I just could not ignore! (I get sucked into situations like this frequently.) I tried to stay away, since some comments on this site can be so exasperating to posters on any side of these issues. I don't know which ones get their knickers in a knot worse, the liberals or the conservatives on this board! Often it's a tie, I think. (No pun imtended...)
HAWK49
<<God has no beginning therefore needs no cause.>>
Perhaps your statement is misguided, how do you know that? It might be true, or not. Where is your evidence.
PS self-assembly of molecules into membranes can actually be performed in the laboratory and those man-made self-assembled structures are becoming increasingly complex which eventually will lead to man-made living organisms.
"Can't seem to get through that verse without breaking into song!"
Depending on how well you sing will depend on if I am glad this site has no audio.... :P
johnzon
you said Nature doesn't contruct that way. Nature uses self-assembly of chemical substances to construct bio-membranes and increasingly complex morphologies over time.
this is your faith in action; naturalistic conjecture. A presupposition.
Who created God? This question is misguided. It is based on the assumption that everything that exists has a cause rather than everything that that has a beginning has a cause. God has no beginning therefore needs no cause. Nature has a beginning therefore needs a cause. Ref. Paul Copan "If God Made the Universe, Who Made God?" There are other sources of reference as well if you really want to dig into this subject.
HAWK49
<<...that a hurricane
blowing through a junkyard could somehow
assemble a fully equipped and flightready
747..>>
I agree, a 747 in all porbability woud not be constructed in that manner. Nature doesn't contruct that way. Nature uses self-assembly of chemical substances to construct bio-membranes and increasingly complex morphologies over time.
<< In short, only an intelligent creator explains "how such a complex, intelligently designed universe could come into existence.">>
Sure a creator might have been responsible for life on Earth, or for that matter other planets in the universe. But then that leads one to ask, How / what created the creator? If I had a chance to talk to God lets say, one of my first questiosn would be, how were you created? What came first, you or the universe, etc, etc. These are things I want to know.
gary wrote: "Happy New Year to all the true Believers in The Lord."
Happy New Year to you, Gary! Welcome to CP.
Daniel wrote: "Gal 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the {life} which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me."
Can't seem to get through that verse without breaking into song! :-)
johnzon
Yes johnzon, your religious FAITH and zeal in scientism (and humanism)comes in very loud and clear
He [Dr Ben Carson, one of the most respected and successful neurosurgeons in the world today] told the science teachers that "evolution and creationism both require faith. It's just a matter of where you choose to place that faith."
I find it as hard to accept the claims of
evolution as it is to think that a hurricane
blowing through a junkyard could somehow
assemble a fully equipped and flightready
747...Which is why not one of us
has ever doubted that a 747, by its very
existence, gives convincing evidence of
someone's intelligent design.
He then stressed the fact that the human body and brain are "immeasurably more complex, more versatile, more amazing in a gazillion ways than any airplane man has ever created." In short, only an intelligent creator explains "how such a complex, intelligently designed universe could come into existence."
Happy New Year
Happy New Year to all the true Believers in The Lord.
All of the monotheistic religions that believe in the One God perspective of things show a more moralistic and united view of how man should deal with each other. The other religions or polytheistic ways are so confused , so these religions encourage freedom in all areas without teaching restraint, and without restraint, sin multiplies into every avenue of human behavior and way of life, breaking down recognizing the understanding of the source of moral resraint, which is the Lord.
"Christianity is a religion. Look it up. "
There actually is a religion called Christianity. Jesus even addressed it in Matthew 7:21 when He said, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;"
So, yes there is a religion called Christianity but it isn't Christian. Christians are those who have died to self and live for Christ. As Paul wrote in Gal 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the {life} which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. "
That is Christianity.
WOOHOO HAPPY NEW YEAR! Beware evil-doers EVERYWHERE!
OH mt, I do not need to look it up. I know what men say, it's what Christ says that I am concerned with.
"This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from me, but in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men."
Christianity is a religion. Look it up.
Profit <<Mohammed was born millenia after God created the earth. It appears from my studies that he took pieces of Judaism, and pieces of Christianity (though he labeled Jesus as a prophet, and not the Son of God) and created a new religion.>>
1. Mohammed was born a few billion years after the earth was formed.
2. Based on my studies, all religion is created by man, for man.
3. Ones religious beliefs are based on many factors- genetics, life experiences and the manner in which one is raised. Christians believe Christ the son of God, Muslims believe him to be a prophet as described by their respective faiths. Its called religious FAITH as opposed to religious FACT for obvious reasons.
eq, you're absolutely correct. Religion is about man while Chrsitianity is about Christ!
annie-
No, I prefer praising Gods2-4.
Praise God1 The answer is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, no RELIGION. Religion killed Jesus, it drives millions away from their faith. Remember what Jesus said about the Pharisees!
Daniel wrote: " They can't keep God from calling it sin so they are attacking God's people."
I believe the phrase is something like....
If you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger.
"pvlman,
" I expect fewer Christians will persecute homosexuals in the future."
I don't recall any court cases where Christians are sueing gays. The court cases say it is the gays persecuting Christians. How dare we call homosexuality sin. They can't keep God from calling it sin so they are attacking God's people.
pvlman,
" I expect fewer Christians will persecute homosexuals in the future."
Do you persecute your children?
forgiven-
I'm never seen a full show of his and I do recall him saying something like that ...
rolln wrote: "We've lost all common sense."
I'm not a Dr. Phil fan, but he does have a line that I find amusing....
I'm gonna bring common sense back to America.
pvlman-
I believe that your whimpify statement was toward my earlier commit. However, I didn't state anything about gays in military; rather it was women in certain military roles that is whimpifying our services. Gays in the military is a whole other topic. Though I do believe gays in the military is again a politically correct maneuver rather than the countries best interest is paralleled with the women issue of servicing in the military.
Gays in the military, supposing they have a same-sex attraction as they claim, makes no sense whatsoever. It's not rocket science. Why do they not assign male to women units? Do you suppose it would be a tad bit of a distraction? Hello?
If I were to get assigned to a women's unit and get to shower with them, sleep next to them - though my sinful nature would think this would be quite the deal, there's no doubt that the ability to defend our country would be hindered. So why in the world would we want men or women who have a same-sex attraction doing the same thing? Are they somehow "above" this? Don't think so. We've lost all common sense. The Father of Lies is seeping in throughout our society and we're going to pay for it.
Just a warning to all those that post sincerely on the CP forums: There are those that purposely spread lies; doing and saying just about anything to promote their cause. The Devil and his associates has one tool that will do more harm if you don't know the Truth of Jesus Christ - and that tool is lying.
I'm grateful for the many Christians that stand up in this forum and are there for those seekers, but there are those that have no desire to seek - just destroy.
Can a simple single question poll really reveal anything? Too much depends on how those answering the poll interpret the question. Are they being asked about their own confidence in religion or being ask to to judge societies confidence in religion?
There is a difference between embracing homosexuality and, persecuting homosexuals. Was a time Christians persecuted others because of race based on their interpretation of their Bible. Few Christians advocate doing so now, I expect fewer Christians will persecute homosexuals in the future. As they do, surely the Lord will be pleased with less persecution being done in His name.
Gays wimpify the military. Respectfully I don't know if that's a self serving statement or one of ignorance? Hetero or, homo bent wimps, don't volunteer for military service.
Practising Christians need to evaluate this poll whether the resulting numbers are true or false. The question posed is a sincere one. Being religious or spiritual are two separate issues. Religion has been commercially packaged by many groups and many Christians have begun to feel like that they are in a used car lot, all in the name of JESUS. There is a lot of buying and selling in the Temple of God and i'm sure some of you can recollect what JESUS did to those business folks who contaminated the Temple.
Did anyone hear about the poll taken to see if people believed in polls? It found that 3 men walked into a bar and the forth ducked.
dgnymn
<The problem with "Polls" is this: anyone can say anything, even if it's false >
Hmm, polls predicted Obama was going to win in an electoral landslide. The polsters electoral map predictions, based on polls, where very similar to the actual voting results. But polls are worthless.......LOL
The problem with "Polls" is this: anyone can say anything, even if it's false and the pollster jots it down and speaks about the results like its Gospel truth!!! The fact is, we shouldn't pay much attention to the polls, but pay more attention to the Word of God, which teaches us to avoid old wives tales!!!
mtg, unless a person repents of their sin and turns to God through the person and finished work of His Son, Jesus Christ alone, by putting their faith/trust in Christ they are lost and if they physically die they will be eternally separated from God for all eternity. Neither God nor His Word provide for any other options.
Sometimes I get the impression that many of you folks actually ENJOY the idea that you are condemned. You need to check out some Original Blessing (though the idea is not really as satisfying - nor does it create as much "drama" as - Original Sin). To me, the Fox book on Original Blessing seemed like New Age mishmash - but I can see from this Web site how destructive the Original Sin concept can be for many who take it too literally.
mtg, I am saying that the Word of God is the original and only true Word of God and that in its original autographs is the God-breathed, inerrant, plenary Word of God, literally God's Word. It does not only teach truth, but it is the foundation for all truth.
"I'm looking for churches that don't condemn gay people as sinners."
Cool. We should get together. I'm looking for a church that doesn't condemn adulterers and fornicators as sinners. But you shouldn't have trouble finding a church like that. There are many false-gospel churches out there who will cater to your every vice. You're just not trying.
"I'm looking for churches that don't condemn gay people as sinners."
I'm a sinner and I'm not gay. Jesus didn't die for non-sinners you know. We are all condemned in our sins as sinners. So, any church that doesn't call sin what it is in any area of life isn't obedient to the Word.
tipon;
To discuss and educate you on the differences of the faiths would be more than this forum will allow, but it's people like you that fails to understand any of the beliefs that cause a great deal of the problems of this world - ignorance.
You still have yet to provide us a society (because THERE ARE NONE) that has accepted homosexuality as a lifestyle. Never will society that wants to survive accept homosexuality. By its very nature, a society will destroy itself if homosexuality is embraced.
believer, I hope you are not saying that the Bible (with the New Testament) did not borrow themes and stories from all the religious traditions and books by which it was surrounded. Every religious book has done that, including our Bible. There is very little original in any of these works.
tip, here is the major problem with the UCC and Unitarian churches, they don't believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and no one can come unto the Father but through Christ alone. Plus, once again God's Word states what God's original and only design is for both marriage and sexual intimacy and same-sex marriage as well as the sexual practices of homosexuality fall outside of those designs so are therefore sin in the sight of God. So it is not churches who condemn the sexual practices of homosexuality and same-sex marriage it is God, Himself who does. God hates sin and all sin is an offense to God and caused His Son, Jesus Christ to die a horrible death in order for those sins to be forgiven, so if we say we love God why would we want to willfully keep on sinning or living in sin?
Mohammed was born millenia after God created the earth. It appears from my studies that he took pieces of Judaism, and pieces of Christianity (though he labeled Jesus as a prophet, and not the Son of God) and created a new religion.
Which holy book is that? It certainly isn't the Bible, and it's not the Koran. Maybe it's MAD Magazine?
-rolln4him
>"Your ignorance is shining brightly. Islam, Judaism and Christianity the same theologically..."
No they aren't the same "theologically" but they have the same holy book at their root, and that book is the basis of thier shared condemnation of homosexuality.....
which you will Not find in history or other religions, except for those countries contaminated by christianity.
tip-
Your ignorance is shining brightly. Islam, Judaism and Christianity the same theologically is something seen maybe on PBS, but the reality is false. Same in regard to the sinfulness of homosexuality - yes.
tip -
0 for 2? Ummm. You're missing the context of my statement, but that's OK. You still haven't provided us a society that embraces or embraced homosexuality. Are you still digging or are you just hoping some other pro-homosexual will come to your aid? Keep digging.
No I'm not looking for churches that will "look the other way" - I'm looking for churches that don't condemn gay people as sinners.
And Obviously the SBC and Catholics have this in common while the UCC and Unitarians don't share this belief.
It isn't that they don't "condemn sin" - it is a matter of what they consider to BE a sin.
tip, your just looking for churches that will simply look the other way when it comes to sin and you're right in that regard catholics and Southern Bapitists are very similar in that we will not look the other way as God does not look the other way!
tip, the Southern Baptist Convention has never approved of abortion! And in fact many Southern Baptists support and volunteer at local crisis pregnancy centers throughout our nation, this is one issue where catholics and Southern Baptists stand side by side.
The "huge differences" are only angel-on-a-pin squabbling to an outsider.
The biggest example I can think of is abortion. I will hear protests but there is nothing "biblical" about condemnation of abortion.
Opposition to it came from the Catholics and was based upon their "natural law" theology, not the Bible - the same theology which causes them to condemn birth control.
The SBC approved of abortion through the 1960's until the christian coalition discovered it was good politics to oppose it - suddenly the SBC adopted the Catholic theology.
The way things are going, they will oppose birth control soon.
tip, spoken like a true outsider because believe me there are huge differences between Southern Baptists and catholics. One major one being the autonomy of the local church as well as the priesthood of the believer.
islam is not the same as christianity or judaism. sorry.
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20081227/top-10-most-popular-news-of-2008.htm
Just a difference in terminology then - what I am talking about are the churches which have the largest membership.
I know internally it seems as if there are big differences in theology, but to those of us on the outside there isn't much difference between Baptist and Catholic - and they are very different from Unitarian and UCC and Episcopal
tip, in no way do a mass majority of Southern Baptists ever want to be considered a mainstream church, nor do mainstream churches want to be associated with a large majority of Southern Baptist churches with exception of those associated with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship.
rolln4him-
>"Hears a bit of history for YOU: The four major religions of the world (Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism) all oppose homosexuality."
Here is some enlightenment for ou, but pearals before swine and all that:
1) That is not "history:, that is "religion"
2) It is also incorrect - judaism, christianity, and islam are really one and the same - the abrahamic religion and our current prejudice agains homosexuality originated in the same old testament that they share in common. The other religions of the world do not condemn homosexuality the way that the Abrahamic one does.
So you are batting 0 for 2
Do need more on this on line discussion on the matter on bring the thoght of God to tne heart and minds of these young men, because if God is known and love then you will learn to love yourself for who God has created you to be.
And one thing believers fail to remember that they have freedom to express their views on the moral decay of the society, the Constitution supports this for evryone. even the Christian, who a long standing biblical tradition in belief inthe bible which is used ceremonially in swearing in officials in government and other things.
Hopefully,godly men can persuade and encourage alot of these young ladies that military occupational service should be thought about very carefully,especially for them, but that is walking lightly,like on water, because it is a sensitive issue.
Rollin, this is just society putting the wrong thinking in the women of today, which I feel again, they should be respected in everyway, but sometimes in my judgement, women ignore the normal biological differences between themselves and men in general.
I feel that young ladies should be honored but some jobs, they were not meant to do, and now society brainwash them in this thinking to be equal with men , they have to do the same things as men, and equal doesn't mean the same.
Do appreciate that and usually coming from a family of believers do inspire the next generation to carry on the call to spreading the word, stay encourage Bro. Prophet.
I've done some preaching, but am getting ready to move into it with more zeal and ambition now.
gary,
I pray God's aboundng grace and blessings upon you as well. May His blessing overtake you.
A bit of a side note: I'm very concerned about our military. As Obama and mostly democrats push to integrate gays in the military, I'm concerned that we're whimpifying our service and the brave men that make it up. There has been "problems" as we put women in the ranks that had been usually vacated by men and making women generals to fulfill a quota.
As we stray further from Truth, society will pursue politically correct methods to govern rather than godly methods.
gary,
LOL. I don't know how to answer that. Calling myself a Bible scholar seems a title that is above me. But yet, I do not consider myself a layman. I am not ordained by man(though I am in the process of doing that), but I do diligently study His Word under the power of the Holy Spirit. I am a third generation "minister". My grandfather was a missionary, and my father was a pastor and is now an associate pastor. I have been called as a prophet by other prophets from an early age. I am also a musician.
I'm not sure if that answers your question.
Prophet, are a bible scholar or layman in the word, just curious about the thought provoking comments that you have made ? Pray the Lord built you up more in strength.
Rolln, is correct, other major religions to not tolerate homosexuality in their ranks, even though the stray away from certain truths, these religions don't stray from this truth which is apart of Gods natural law of biology.
rolln,
Amen. To God be all glory. For without Him I am worthless and dead. For He is the giver of life, and life eternal. Those who fall upon His name will not be ashamed, for He will call them His sons and daughters. Jointly receiving the inheritance of our Lord Jesus Christ, the firstborn of many. Though we are persecuted for our faith, the trials and tribulations we endure are nothing compared to the glory that He will reveal in us. He is from everlasting to everlasting. His kindgom has no end. May the lost see His light in our hearts and feel His peace in our touch. Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, who was slain from the foundations of the earth, to Him be all glory, honor and praise forever.
The Bible teaches the believer the real nature of each believer and Genesis shows that God created man from the dust and the woman from the man's rib, so if the woman 's origin is from a man's side than a woman is meant to be at his side than another man.
tipon;
As you scramble to find a society that embraced homosexuality...good luck.
Hears a bit of history for YOU: The four major religions of the world (Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism) all oppose homosexuality. There are infiltrations within each of these beliefs, but in the orthodox form (vast majority), its opposed.
prophet;
Keep strong and praise the Lord you have mighty men of faith in your ranks to strengthen you and encourage you.
tipon;
Enlighten me on some history. I'm sure there are many others on this forum that would be interested.
You're an individual unfortunately represented by organization that "defend" the gay agenda. Much like I'm an individual associated with a church. I stand proud to be a part.
rolln,
I used to go to a church that literally only had maybe a dozen show up on a good Sunday. The pastor didn't pull punches and spoke the truth without regret. I thrived in that church. I grew and became mature. I learned that Christianity isn't a vacation or a spectator sport. It was a war, and only the (spiritually) strong survived. Of course, he wasn't affiliated with any of the major denominations like AG or SBA (for obvioius reasons). But that allowed him to speak the Word as it was meant to.
The church I go to now is what I call a "label church". One that is affiliated globaly. I often ask God why He put me there, and He said because my time of training is over, and it is time for me to move on in the ministry he's called me to. I've butted heads with my pastor on a few occasions, and I'm sure he was apprehensive about me getting voted in as a deacon, but we respect and love each other immensely.
I have put myself under submission to him, though I disagree with him from time to time. It is what God wants me to do. It is my responsibility since he is my pastor. But I do challenge him. Iron sharpens iron. LOL. And he puts the reins on me quite often, but I say what needs to be said whenever he gives me the opportunity. He has come a long way from where he was 17 years ago, when he was swayed by the wealthy people in his congregation. Now that God has removed those stumbling blocks, he has gotten more vocal. But I still wish he wouldn't preach the milk to us.
I usually get my meat from my father or grandfather. Both are very great men of God.
Sin is sin. And it needs to preached as such. And because of that, I am usually not very welcome. Not just from non-Christians, but also from those who claim to be Christians. But, as Jeremiah said:
7O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.
8For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the LORD was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily.
9Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.
10For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him."
forgiven;
You're blessed. I sometimes sense that I'm a missionary within my own church. We under their authority, but there are times when even leadership needs to be confronted in love and prayer.
Bless your leaders and church, forgiven
The church has to do more to embrace the individual but let that individual know in a loving way that he or she was created to be who they were naturally, God doesn't make mistakes and put a woman in a man's body andvice verasa.
rolln wrote: "I'd much rather preach to a congregation of 6 that is willing to tackle the tough topics and inform the congregation,"
I feel pretty blessed to be a member of a rather small congregation that does indeed tackle the more tougher topics. We even have a Q & A after worship to get meaty and meaty it can get.
Of course I'm not "kidding" as well you know. Not only that, but I am not an "agenda", I am a human being.
>. No time in history has a society accepted gay lifestyles
Not that it is relevant to anything, but you need to study a little more history.
Prophet, Ireally like your perspective of things that are true, it comes from the heart, you seem very religious and concerned about what is going on with the church and have good ideas to solve the problem.
tipon-
"Hostile to gay families"
Are you kidding? If you mean hostile in the sense that we oppose the gay agenda, then yes. But your term is meant to incite, which is what the gay agenda is all about. It's the gay agenda that has name-called and antagonized (along with the media) people of genuine faith that has been around since the history of man. No time in history has a society accepted gay lifestyles. WHY? Because is does more harm to society than any good. What gay organization do you know of that is set up solely to help others outside of their own? Churches are all about helping others; including those inflicted with HIV/AIDS.
Boy, it sounds like some outstanding posts since I last posted a few hours ago.
Prophet - are you sure you aren't a member at our church. I too have brought up the tough issues and wondered why these topics aren't presented either in the form of a class or in the form of a sermon. I too got the same response: Don't want to chase off those that are babes in Christ or seekers. Our leaders I believer are godly men and are certainly prayer warriors, but I'm baffled by their glazed response to teaching about "heavy" topics. I actually know of one unbeliever that stopped going to church because they were angry that "the church is doing nothing to stop the gay agenda."
If I were a church leader (Pastor), I'd much rather preach to a congregation of 6 that is willing to tackle the tough topics and inform the congregation, then have a congregation of 1000 that is ignorant of what God has to say on these tough topics.
This is something that the citizens of the country shouldn't want to anation which prides itself as a "Christian Nation" and the "Beacon of Light" for all to see.
Within the strength and unity of Christ, this church can be an example of love and an advocate of justice in a world and nation which os slipping back to the "Dark Ages of Sin".
That is why the Catholic Church went through its dark period of history mixing some facts of Christ with polytheistic views of the ancients and their was schism from within, we should have learned from that Christ is the answer not the Pope but Christ.
The Church will shine and renew its' purpose going back to its' source of strengh and that is Christ, not a man but the man who can bring anyone to thetruth and light of God.
"tip, it is the mainstream churches of which the ucc is one who are embracing the ways of the world "
I wish that were true, but it isn't - the UCC is a small minority, being slowly joined by the Episcopals and some Methodists - there aren't large churches in the US, which is dominated by Catholics and Southern Baptists.
Churches in the US are still hostile to gay families by a very large percentage
Mr.Jim,there is a sad truth that some churches look oversome sins than others, but the Lord doesnt't accept any sin from the best of us which includes, homosexuality, which from beginning to end was an abomination unto the Lord from beginning to the end of the Bible.
gary,
Amen. I pray that too. But this other prophet said the Church would shine forth during this time though. So it's not all bad.
tip, it is the mainstream churches of which the ucc is one who are embracing the ways of the world as opposed to the ways of God, it is the evangelical Bible believing, Bible teaching, Bible living churches, Great Commission churches, who put their complete faith and trust in God alone through His Son, Jesus Christ, who abide by the truths and teachings taught in God's Word, and who have joined God in fulfilling His Great Commission which includes calling people, as Christ called people, to repent of their sin and turn to God by putting their complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of His Son, Jesus Christ alone.
Well we pray that we have Godly leadeership which can forsee this type of t ragedy upon this country, like how the prophet Daniel could see the handwriting on the wall.
jimwilljr -
That's nice, but actually there are churches available that don't consider good loving gay people to be the same as tax cheats, bigots, racists, or drunks, but instead will bless their relationships and allow them to serve in their clergy.
So it isn't an offer that is going to be very appealing or bring gays or their friends and families back to your church.
The Church is the body of Christ and now there has been a cutting away of the body from the head and trying to put other heads to a body which was design for the the Real head which is the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Yes, we are truly a blessed nation. But I fear that is coming quickly to an end. God is getting ready to give our "godly" country a wake up call. I've been speaking for some time that our country would fall. It would not be a military event. It would be a financial and moral destruction. Recently, I heard another prophet speak the same thing. He said that America would fall financially very soon. I believe by July next year. Mexico will go bankrupt, which will throw our government into bankrupty as well.
tiponeill1
I agree on two things: first, religion does not have the solution. Christianity in its purest form is the outward expression of an inward relationship with Jesus. Take Jesus out of Christianity, and you have a religion no different from any other. A communal relationship with others through "religion" helps us understand Biblical truth. Outside that personal relationship, you will not find an answer.
Second, mainstream churches, at least the ones who accept the Bible as truth, too often set a few select sins apart for condemnation, homosexuality being one. (others ignore "sin" in favor of attendance and acceptance.) The reasons are multiple, but only slightly grounded. A small percentage of homosexuals are in your face about it, demanding we accept it on their terms. This creates hostility from the church. Anyone who gets that attitude will become offended. If I ran up to you and called you a sinner, nothing else I say will ever matter. I have created a barrier that will not come down. It goes both ways. I worked with a gay man in the military. We all knew it, but he was private about it, and didn't put it out there. As a result, we left it alone. If he had demanded we accept and approve of his lifestyle, he would have been rejected.
On the other hand, I cannot honestly read the Bible in context and find homosexuality as compatible with Christianity. Same for tax cheats, bigots, racists, drunks, or anyone else who puts self before God. Sin isn't so much what you do, but who is in charge of your life. That's why religion doesn't have an answer; religion cannot overcome self. Only a relationship with God can.
As you can see by some of the posts already, some are more interested in condemning than restoring. Please do not reject my savior because of "religious" folks; seek HIM, not religion. Don't know where you are, but my office and my church is open to you anytime you or anyone else wants to find the answers. I am not here to condemn; I am here to help others find truth and peace in Christ. He is the answer you seek, not religion.
Prophet, you are right, it is faster than most people think, but America is still being shown that it is blessed compare to most countries, only if it pay attention to the dictates of the time.
This nation was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic and this nation should not compromise that heritage if its true and it is blessed from it. History shows that America is a blessed nation and the one who blessed it, the origin of understanding of the source of the blessing is the God of the Bible.
gr8tgary,
"America is slowly experiencing a moral decline with in the society."
Slow? I think it's declining rather quickly if you ask me. LOL.
Due to the changing of the times, America is slowly experiencing a moral decline with in the society. The Christian belief system is looked upon as mythical and out of date and there is a leaning to foreign belief systems that don't have any truth to extract from, but there is a moral vacuum in this nation and between the atheists and the eastern polytheist religions from abroad, American will be sucked into a backward immoral shell of itself unless it stand on the foundation which it was founded on duriong the eighteenth century.
johnzon
it appears your religious belief system relies on the falsehoods of scientism; probably that of secular humanism. As true science advances the intellectually honest recognize God as the Creator.
What is not recognized is not that the influence of religion is waning but that we are in a great cosmic battle of religious worldviews competing for preeminence in our culture; Christianity, secular humanism, cultural marxism, postmodernism, and now Islam.
tiponeil,
If a church preaches that adultery is wrong, and someone takes that personal...maybe they're an adulterer.
But maybe we should babysit them all the way to hell, if that makes them more comfortable.
I wish more churches would teach on sin. ALL sin. The church needs to acknowledge that. The church has gotten so fat, it needs to be trimmed. LOL.
I once asked my pastor why he didn't preach heavier messages. Why all his sermons were light and watered down. And he said because he didn't want to scare off the unsaved.
What?
The church is a training ground for going out to the world. The church has gotten lazy. Why are we expecting people to get saved in church? Why are we expecting the pastor to do our job? His job (according to the Scriptures) is just to train US to win the lost. We should be going out to our jobs and everywhere else we may go (even stand on the street corner if you have to) and win souls...THEN bring them into the church to be trained. Jesus said to GO to all the nations and make disciples...it didn't say to BRING all the nations to church to be saved.
I will say that I do admire people who at least have the courage to bring unsaved people to church with them. That's better than nothing, and still more than most do. But the church is for fellowship and training. The real work should occur outside the church.
Just to clarify - "gay friendly" is a term these churches use, and they usually have some termonology to let gay people know that they are welcome as equal members and not considered "sinners".
The UCC church, for instance, uses the designation "open and affirming".
http://www.ucccoalition.org/programs/ona/
It is not just gay people who are sick and tired of being told what sinners they are, but we also have friends and family members who are affection by the mainstream churches hostility and are choosing to leave.
Prophet;
I'd amen your post. It is as much a sin if you don't say homosexuality as sin as it would be if you said homosexuality is OK. The church and it's leaders are held in higher accountability than the sheep.
Churches that I know have a play it safe mentality, then wonder why its flock won't tithe or that their church is not "growing". With compassion, pastors have the responsibility to preach it, teach it and live it. By saying nothing about homosexuality would be blood on your hands.
In other words...if we don't preach homosexuality is a sin, are we as guilty as those who preach it as acceptable?
rolling4him,
It seems that there are churches that either teach homosexuality is ok, or that don't teach that it is a sin. I don't know many that do teach it as a sin.
Is not condemning homosexuality as much of a sin as teaching that it is not a sin?
forsalt-
Well said for the most part. I'd be surprised that any practicing gay person would stay long at a church that has the stance that a practicing homosexual is sinful. However, I do agree that most churches have the head in the sand mentality toward homosexuals - much to the detriment of both the sheep of that church and the homosexual. Definitely, if the practicing homosexual makes him/herself known to leadership/church, they should be approached about this sin and if they repent, then they have a point of rejoicing. If they don't repent, they should be encouraged to move on or at the very least never be able to hold any position within the church.
tipon-
I think what you posted is honest and sincere, but at the same time is ignorant. You feel that most gay individuals want to be left alone? Unfortunately, this will never happen. Since gayness has come out of the "closet", there has been an unrelenting assault on the religious beliefs that oppose homosexuality. The cultural war is much the same as the abortion issue. For you to say gay-friendly church is in and of itself offensive to most Christians.
I believe this trend will continue too. The Bible speaks of it. For those faithful few, our reward for our faithfulness will be great, though the price may be great as well.
As a gay man, I naturally think that the majority religion in the US not only doesn't have solution - it creates more problems. No one that I know holds any of the majority faiths in any esteem at all, or wants anything to do with them. A few have found small gay-friendly churchces, some who are interested in religion have become interested in buddhism - most of us just wish to be left alone.
I expect to see this trend continue, since the maintream churches hostility affects not just us, but our friends and extended families.
Christianity is one of the world's great religions. Period. People who don't understand this need to consult a dictionary.
Kudos to what jimwilljr posted. Jesus came to show the world that mere Religion is useless, and to establish a Church (the Body, not the building) that would live out the Gospel.
Some of you have hit it, but this one is more than I can pass up. As a pastor, the greatest threat to the health of my local church is "Religion", as so well defined by Mr. Webster and daniel paul. Religion is a nessessary part of the expression of our faith ("The Way" began and continues as a body of believers)-unfortunately, many in the church, young and old, treat religion as the answer while ignoring or minimalizing the relationship and accountability aspects of Christianity. The church often has people who are "religious" at the expense of "Godly" and "Holy". If there is one person reading this blog that rejects Christ, it may be OUR fault for being so religious, and not being the hands and feet of Christ. It isn't about who's right and who's wrong; its about loving as Christ did. We as the body need to get past religion and get engaged in the battle for souls. Any other topic is a distraction from our mission of changing lives for the better.
You need to study history more, Johnzon. Christians have been in the forefront of new scientific discoveries and technological advances all along.
Wrhalver: Congratulations for totally missing my point. Did you even notice I capitalized "Church"? The Church (a.k.a. Body of Christ) is ALWAYS more than a pulpit and steeple
The importance of religion in peoples lives will continue to decline as science and technology continue the march forward and religion is increasingly seen as irrelevant. Religion will always be trumped by science and technology.
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/
danielpaul: Nicely put!
"It's about time we grow up and join the 21st century."
I don't know. I'm not very impressed with the 21st century anymore than I was with the 20th....
We're still a bunch of selfish people who would rather have more by stepping on the poor.
I think a bit of humility and following the example of Jesus who gave everything for others might do us some good. Believe in Him or not...His example is still one of caring for others.
prosci-
You say we are in medieval times? LOL! What made the dark ages is the lack of education available for the masses. On previous posts, you admitted to never reading the Bible.
In our day and age, we call this willful ignorance. Interesting you're attacking another belief system for which you know nothing about.
"A recent Gallup Poll found that just 27 percent of Americans perceive religion's influence to be on the upswing while 67 percent of Americans say religion as a whole is losing influence on American life."
That's encouraging news. America is the most medieval country in the Western world. It's about time we grow up and join the 21st century.
Just FYI, why do I post the definitions of the words? We have had quite a few discussions which resulted in different people using different definitions of the same word. This way everyone knows what Websters wife asked....
"Ignorance about religion is the biggest problem with our population."
Drove that nail with one blow!
religion
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make
As you can see, religion isn't something that some have and some don't. One's religion is defined by one's beliefs. In the broad definition, evolution and humanism can define one's religion.
By removing the concept that everyone believes in something there is the absence of belief in anything. The result of a 'belief vacuum' removes all the hope out of life. It's not just a lack of confidence in 'religion'. It's a lack of confidence in anything.
wrhalver wrote: "Please remember that attendance at church is not required to obtain salvation, or to gain a clearer understanding of what religion is or what it can do for us."
I agree we do not obtain salvation through church attendance, but church attendance helps us to work out our salvation. I also agree it is not religion we need to understand, but to grow into all aspects of Christ.
Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without waivering, for He who has promised is faithful;24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking the assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.
wrhalver wrote: "And most certainly, the Holy Spirit should also be active in our personal lives away from the church gathering."
You are absolutely correct!
Unless the Holy Spirit is active in a church, then it is nothing more than a pulpit and steeple.
Please remember that attendance at church is not required to obtain salvation, or to gain a clearer understanding of what religion is or what it can do for us.
And most certainly, the Holy Spirit should also be active in our personal lives away from the church gathering.
Excellent distinction, Foregiven. The Church is indeed much more than a pulpit and steeple.
wrhalver wrote: "Please remember that Christians have a personal relationship with Christ, not the church."
Although, this statement is correct, we have to be very careful that we are not giving a wrong impression. The church is Christ's Body of which He adds the obedient believer to. We also see the examples of local congregations and the appointments of elders (and deacons) in those congregations. Part of that personal relationship with Christ is being a part of His Body.
Ignorance about religion is the biggest problem with our population. Everybody has a worldview and by definition a worldview is religious as it is based on a belief system. Therefore, everybody is religous. Religion is very much alive and active in America. Unfortunately, the majority have itching ears and has succumbed to the religion of cultural marxism and the false god of government. The Christian worldview held by many in the past has taken a back seat but I do believe that the community of Bible believing born again evangelicals is still very much thriving even though we constitute about 4% of the population. Keep up the faith and pray. I believe America is beginning to pay the price for turning its back on God.
tpique1
You have said....
"IF YOU DON'T ATTEND SERVICES HOW CAN YOU KNOW IF "RELIGION" CAN ANSWER MUCH OF ANYTHING??"
Please remember that Christians have a personal relationship with Christ, not the church.
Religion, if that is what we are calling it here, serves to resolve the problem created through Adam and Eve in the beginning.
It is God who takes care of the rest according to His Riches and Glory.
weekender;
Halleluia brother!
BTW, rolln, I'm not afraid of the Judgement, and neither should any believer in Christ. The only judgement we await is the Judgement Seat of Christ, when I'll be shown my life in review and then will be ushered into glory.
rollin4him: No, I got the point exactly, and yes I am an evangelical, fundamental, born again, Bible-believing Christian. I just believe that God deals with the world (and the Church) differently today than He dealt with Israel in the Old Testament. And for that, we should ALL be glad!
Among Americans who attend worship services weekly, 82 percent say religion can answer today's problems. Only 27 percent of those who rarely or never attend agreed.
IF YOU DON'T ATTEND SERVICES HOW CAN YOU KNOW IF "RELIGION" CAN ANSWER MUCH OF ANYTHING??
weekenderman-
I believe you missed the point. The cycle continues to this day. Hopefully, you are believer. The Day of Judgment is at hand.
"Mere Christianity[2] is a theological book by C. S. Lewis, adapted from a series of BBC radio talks made between 1941 and 1944, while Lewis was at Oxford"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_Christianity
People should NEVER put their trust in mere religion. I'm glad to see it's waning. They should only put their trust in the Lord Jesus.
Some 2000 years ago, the apostle John wrote about these times in 2 John verses 7-9. The church no longer speaks where the Bible speaks and keeps silent where it's silent. Most churches today just snuggle up to people like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren . . . going along with whatever they say; mindless sheep without the real Shepherd, but following "wolves in sheep's clothing."
Good thing we're NOT living in Old Testament times anymore!
All you have to do is read through the Old Testament and see the exact same pattern today as it was then. People fall away from God, disaster comes, people repent, God delivers. We're in the people fall from God part of the cycle. What people don't know is that these cycles are sometimes separated by hundreds of years. In our generation, we haven't truly experience a "disaster" of Biblical proportions yet. Whoa is us when it does come.
The report has some disturbing aspects, but of course, the scope of the report had no response for what it is at this moment we are placing our confidence in. Perhaps the new administration. Hope springs eternal.
It seems so bizarre to think that confidence in religion hinges on having a Republican adminstration. The politcal climate should have little to do with it all. The American economy? We seem to wish to have the financial security first before trusting God? Seems backward.
I would offer that the present malaise, the momentary crisis, cultural, economic, political are all symptoms of a deeper need, and that religiom at this moment isn't on track to deal with it.
When the Church deals with Jesus as Savior, and proclaims Gospel as God's offer of grace to a screwed-up populace, maybe we'll inch forward.
Daniel wrote: " "Mere Christianity" "
CS Lewis?
mtg,
Unfortunately, Christianity is slipping away from many. Although, religions are still increasing, I see more and more people that simply only believe that there is a god, but do nothing with that belief.
PS Are you the previous mburrell?
Actually, you have an honest assessment of religion in America. For decades the church has been more interested in getting people in the church than they are with introducing people to a relationship with Christ.
There is a really good book out there called "Mere Christianity". The Bible speaks of the end days when people will trade the truth of God for a lie. Lies have a way of not enduring. Eventually, they lose their power over people.
As a fairly religious man (though hardly up to the standards of most people on this Web site), I sometimes think I'm like the HAL9000 in the film "2001." I can feel religion and Christianity slipping away in modern life. Slipping....slipping.....slipping..... (If YOU don't feel it, that's good and fine for you, but please don't scold me and tell me that my Christianity is not the real one, anyway.) I'm only stating how I feel. I'm not challenging anyone to prove Christianity to me.