Atheists Sue to Take 'God' Out of Obama Inauguration

By Audrey Barrick|Christian Post Reporter

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After failed attempts to remove prayer from George W. Bush's inauguration ceremonies, Michael A. Newdow, along with other atheists, has once again filed a lawsuit to take God and religion out of the upcoming swearing-in ceremony.

The lawsuit was filed Tuesday by Newdow and 17 other individuals and 10 groups representing atheists who want the words "so help me God" and other religious references out of the president's oath of office, invocation and benediction.

"There can be no purpose for placing 'so help me God' in an oath or sponsoring prayers to God, other than promoting the particular point of view that God exists," the lawsuit states, according to CNN.

And according to Newdow, religious references convey the message that "we who believe in God are the righteous, the real Americans," he told CNN.

American Humanist Association, the Freedom from Religion Foundation and atheist groups from Minnesota, Seattle, Washington and Florida are among the groups that band together for the lawsuit. They are suing Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., who will administer the oath of office to President-elect Barack Obama in January; several officials in charge of inaugural festivities; megachurch pastor Rick Warren, who will deliver the invocation; and the Rev. Joseph E. Lowery, who will deliver the benediction.

Obama was not named in the suit.

"If he (Obama) chooses to ask for God's help, I'm not going to challenge him," Newdow said, according to CNN. "I think it's unwise."

Newdow made similar attempts to take out God from inauguration ceremonies in 2001 and 2005 and was unsuccessful. This time, he believes he'll lose again but hopes to eventually succeed.

Calling the lawsuit a "publicity stunt," Scott Walter, executive director of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said in a statement, "Newdow's lawsuit over the inauguration is a lot like the streaker at the Super Bowl: a pale, self-absorbed distraction. And anybody who looks at it carefully can see there's not much there."

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seedplanter »

Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:48 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Maybe someone should sue Michael Newdow to remove "God" from his lawsuite. lol
chdldry »

Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:04 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

I personally have had many discussions with Atheists in person, and most discussion have originated by them injecting themselves into our discussions by overhearing small groups of Christian having a conversation about Christ. Some are willing to listen and then try to prove you wrong, and some are there just to cast stones. So I say if they are receptive preach the gospel and when not do not cast pearl before swine. Just pray for them.
mizlee »

Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:52 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Hi there gerbonic!
Whatever made you think that atheists were sad, miserable suffering people? Wishful thinking? Projection, I would say. I am a perfectly contented atheist doing what all normal people do, you know, living a nice life, with family, friends, and interesting things to do. I have no fear of heaven or hell or gods, as I know that such superstitions are non-existent. As is sin. It seems to me that people like you are so terrified of our blithe acceptance of this wonderful, this only, life, it makes you nuts to see we are content. I am also at this ID at AOL and am always happy to disabuse you of your erroneous notions.
gerbonic »

Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:12 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 3

I would just like everybody to take the time to imagine the life of an atheist from childhood to adulthood and think about all the times things they went through and not having the right guidance they fell off the road and became an atheist. Its like all other sin. God will surely judge them as he is a just God, but he also longs to be reunited with them and he is pained by their loss. The increase in atheism should be a sign to Christians to be more compassionate towards those who don't understand Christianity. Some people speak the "Word of God" but they are not living the word of God. The Pharisees knew the "Word" perfectly yet they were white washed tombs. Think about the lives of the lost and put yourself in their tomb. Sit and imagine what it is like. Put yourself in their shoes the moment they lost their faith and the pain, anger, frustration, and fear that these people went through and live with. The lost who appear here trolling are puffed up with pride, but underneath they are still lost and ultimately their lives are devoid of reason. That is the truth. They come here seeking to assuage their pain by reinforcing to themselves their negative idea of Christian's and of the church in general. They come here to troll and it makes them feel better because they are received with cold condescending "truth tellers" and they say to themselves, ââ‚¬Å“I am right, there is nothing more to Christianity than these cold hearts who do not want me here." I guarantee you this people who cause even the smallest to stumble will be held accountable. You never really know what someone is dealing with in their heart, and self proclaimed atheists are often struggling with belief but are turned off by the Church and often are looking for one person to Love them as Christ would have. Thatââ‚¬â„¢s my life experienceââ‚¬¦
Prophet »

Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:31 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

I am here to speak the Word of God. If you call it lowering myself to their level, that is your opinion.
gerbonic »

Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:00 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

so if all they are doing is coming on here to bash, then they are trolling and you reduce yourself to their level by even responding to them
Prophet »

Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:37 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

Well,
All the atheists that have come on here are not looking for answers. They are looking to bash Christianity. There is a difference. You said you struggled with atheism. These people don't. They are fine and dandy with their decision to reject God. There is a difference.
gerbonic »

Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:55 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

To Delight in the Lord:
Its guys like you that made guys like WW aheists. You are very abrasive with him. He isn't a Christian, he doesn't think like a Christian, he has a different paradigm. I am speaking as a Christian who long struggled with atheism and agnosticism. There are legitimate philisophical arguments to atheism. If you really want to argue with an atheist you have to have the guts to take in the atheists philisophy and come out with you Christian beliefs intact. I have walked through that fire and I know its hard, but many here seem to have to care as to what an atheist actually feels in regards to our beloved Christianity. I would say most have suffered at the hands of 'Christians'.

Now you can say, "well i have too", but you are just bragging on yourself. maybe everyones not like you and they decided to become atheists after getting knocked around by so many Christian's.

Seriously... Atheists need love too.
Daniel Paul »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:38 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"It sounds as tho you have a lot of anger towards christians that you have come in contact with in the past. "

Hey, don't feel bad. I'm not too happy with some of the "Christians" I've come in contact with myself and I've been a Christian for 35 years!

America as a whole is a spoiled country and the Christians here are no different. In the Philippines people would invite you over and spend 2 weeks wages to prepare a nice meal. Keep in mind that (at that time) an average job would pay only about $3 US for a 12-14 hr/day. Still, the "nice meal" would be a common supper for the US.

We need to be careful not to judge Christianity by our culture either.
Slacker »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:30 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

To wwfsmd:

It sounds as tho you have a lot of anger towards christians that you have come in contact with in the past. As the old saying goes "don't judge a book by its cover" not all christians are threatened by a nice dialogue, however by reading over your post i have noticed a quite distenctive atheist sound to it. Does that mean that no matter the answer a christian gives you it will be wrong because as you stated in one of your post, God doesn't exist. And if a christian brings their religion into it, then they are feeling threatened. I can understand that, when you don't stand for truth anything can become the truth for you. Good luck with that and with what ever "truth" you find in life...
Slacker »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:20 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show "If a Christian doesn't agree with somebody, he censors him." Nope, only when some hatemonger like yourself calls people childish names.... Learn to be more respectful or you will be flagged often... hide
Slacker »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:18 am Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Actually i would like to see Obama counter sue, Newdow is violating his constitutional right to exercise his religion. Oh wait this is Obama, he will prolly bow to the wishes of the few rather then take a stand for what is right....
Daniel Paul »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:09 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

WTF...no explaination on this site please. It shouldn't post anyway. :-0
Daniel Paul »

Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:08 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"If a Christian doesn't agree with somebody, he censors him."

Now, now...I'm a Christian and you know I don't flag people....
mathetes »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:59 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

And if proscience disagrees with someone, he insults them.

What a surprise...

PS: I doubt your "WTF" stands for World Tennis Federation. Could you explain it to us?
prosciencezz »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 11:19 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 1

If a Christian doesn't agree with somebody, he censors him.
IacceptHim »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:13 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

"Seperation of church and state" Is a term that Thomas Jefferson used in a 5th draft of a letter to the Danbury Conn. Baptist Church(a letter he never sent). Can anyone answer how much of the text of the Bill of Rights Thomas Jefferson helped write?
The clause "establishment of religion" was devised to prevent any state or the federal government from declaring an official state religion so as to allow all faiths to be able to practice without harrasment from the government. It seems the athiests now want all faiths to be harrased by the government.
Daniel Paul »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:49 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 3

Flagged as inappropriate. show "Newdow's lawsuit wouldn't be necessary if America's politicians respected our constitution. " Newdow wouldn't have filed the suit if he respected our constitution. hide
jester in the Kings court »

Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:42 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

and yet, it's still not infringing on the atheist's rights if the president wants that phrase in his inauguration. it's just atheists pathetic attempt to ignore God.
Tom »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:28 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Ah-----wwf isnt that kind of like a two year old temper tantrum? I'll take my ball and go home? Please know if you would bother to look at all the evidence you would find that there is a God and He did send His Son to die and rise again to give mankind a chance at reconcillation whats more He is waiting for you. Gods Blessing In Christ Tom
jester in the Kings court »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:21 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

the atheist's showing has been just as poor....especially since their record puts christianity's to shame.
wwfsmd »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:56 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 2

Questions are clearly not tolerated at this end of Christianity. Someone who requires a reason to believe something is equated with Mao and Stalin, who were not at all reasonable people. If I require a reason for believing a fantastic claim, then I am somehow like the KKK?

This proves that not only do Christian posters on this site have no answers, but simple questions are so threatening to their beliefs that they resort to name-calling in lieu of any substantial response. Not only is this childish, it shows their similarity to fundamentalists of other faiths.

It has been a sad showing for the Christian faith, but my expectations get lower with every Christian blog or newsletter I come across. Those I found here are already lost. Beyond reason. Too rigid to be kind, and too afraid to think.

I feel sorry for you.

I will concentrate my efforts on the middle ground from now on: Those who have not yet been convinced to take mythology at face value. Those who still base their morality on human happiness rather than ancient prejudices. Those who can see the beauty of the garden without having to imagine fairies living beneath.

I wish you all well, but I'm too honest to continue to hope for any meaningful dialog here at the religious fringe. I'll take my answer off the air, as they say. I believe I've already seen your response.
jester in the Kings court »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:54 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

escept that the KKK toned it down a bit.
jester in the Kings court »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

tliml,

ah yes...the KKK. the protestant's version of catholic priests....
believer »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:25 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

tliml, I guess you might know since your recent racist comments toward Africans are much in line with the beliefs of the KKK.
thelordismylight »

Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:02 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

-jester

"Actually atheism is alot like Islam, if you don't believe what they believe, they'll just kill you."

Like the KKK, right?
jester in the Kings court »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:48 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

iaccepthim,

but wait! pseudo-atheists will whine that those people really arent atheists! of that they were killing "religious people".

yeah...and the holocaust never happened either.
viking »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

Hi all setting aside the substantive questions involved I guess one of my objections is Newdowns self acknowledged abuse of the legal system. He states that he expects to lose this suit which he was previously unsuccessful with. He intends to sue but cites no LEGAL basis for his suit. By definition this is seems a legaly frivilous lawsuit. One notices particularly that he does not cite the establishment clause of the constitution. This of course is because other similar challenges have routinely and consistently been rejected. The "objectionable phrase" is no different legally than the phrase "under God" in the pledge or the opening of congress with prayer or the phrase "in god we trust" is on currency. In as much as this is a legally firvolous suit one can only hope that the gentleman is treated without discrimination and assessed all of the court costs of a suit which he himself plans on losing.
IacceptHim »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:23 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

"actually, atheism is a lot like islam. if you don't believe the way they do, they'll just kill you."
around 7 million for Chairman Pol Pot
around 20 million for Chairman Stalin
around 50 million for Chairman Mao
All with the theory of taking God out of the peoples life so they will be forced to turn to Government.
DelightntheLord »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:56 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Thanks Mathetes and IAccpeptHim,

I have wondered about that myself.

That explains everything and the website that showed all the pictures of the brains of Atheists...they were brains; all those crazy spaghetti-like strands, right?
jester in the Kings court »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:42 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

actually, atheism is a lot like islam. if you don't believe the way they do, they'll just kill you.
jester in the Kings court »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:28 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 0

i want to sue to take atheism out of school! atheism kills hundreds of thousands of people every day. i don't think that's something i want to promote to my kids.
Daniel Paul »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:54 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

"And thats a good thing, otherwise we are just sheep. "

Umm...Jesus is our shepard and we are his sheep....

It's not about what you believe in but who. My dad always told me to know for sure what God says in the Bible. Follow HIS rules for the Bible and not mans. Just because someone works in the ministry doesn't automatically make them right.

Sounds right revolutionary coming from a Dean of a Bible College and an ordained minister, eh?
IacceptHim »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Flying Spaghetti Monster!?! WOW
As someone posted earlier
"When a man ceases to believe in God, he doesn't believe in nothing. He believes in anything."
ANYTHING !!!! Yikes!!!
mathetes »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:03 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Iaccepthim,
His handle stands for "What would Flying Spaghetti Monster do?" The FSM is an atheist parody of God; google it for tons more info than you could ever want. Another name used by atheists in their posts here include "magic sky fairy."
CP Staff »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:12 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

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DelightntheLord »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:38 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Just another thought before I leave this...to DRJ.

What good are Salt and Light in Eternity?

Salt and Light are of the earth and we must be both while occupying His earth in these dark times; Eternity will have the Light of God.

"It is training people to produce fruit for God..."

Fruit FOR God? We can do nothing FOR God.

The most we can do is walk in the works He prepared ahead of time:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
DelightntheLord »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:37 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

thelordismylight

Didn't get that?

You either need more light or more Lord.
thelordismylight »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:26 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Delight-

Gosh try to keep it under a page and a half. When you removed most of the "eloquence for the sake of eloquence" words from what you said it boiled down to nothing. You said like a whole page of absolutely nothing.
thelordismylight »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:24 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

I'm sure God wouldn't want His name in Obama's inauguration speech. I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with him! He's a quasi-christian, greedy, corrupt, no-good cheat. And even worse he's a DEMOCRAT! I'll give him credit though. Americans must love him. Since, you know, like a hundred thousand of them voted for him ten or eleven times.
IacceptHim »

Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:01 am Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

wwfsmd
It's regretable you don't know or understand the love the true and living God.
"There is no reason to believe the bible, and the bible is what all your insisting is based on."
One of the reason I have believe The written word of God is the knowledge of what God has done in my life. When I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and was indwelt with the Holy Spirit I began to be convicted of things I had done and the way I was living my life. The things I was being convicted of were not things I conjured up through day dreams or my imagination. These things were revealed to me by the Holy Spirit(I often asked the question "was that a sin?"), this was the start of Gods work in transforming my life to the life He wants me to live. Over the past years I have come a long way but I know I have a long way to go.
I trust in the bible and it hasn't failed me yet. Your lack of understanding of Gods word is because you don't have the Holy Spirit to teach and guide you. As is written in John14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
God is real! He wants to have a relationship with you but it must be a relationship on His terms. I hope hear when we say that God is real. There is no way we can pay for the sins we commit so God provided Jesus Christ as the sacrafice to pay for our sins.
As far as the Oath of office goes you claim to have a thick skin how are the words "So help me God" going to in anyway hurt you.
By the way what does fsm stand for?
DelightntheLord »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:33 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

ww

I suppose some would want me to tell you to go to hell but I won't.

You need to read for comprehension, ww. The things I've described are all the work of both atheistic AND secular humanistic influence on this society.

If there are more "Christians" in jail it may just be because that's where God is saving the foolish things of the world. I can bet you there are far more atheists in jail; you don't need to profess the foolishness of the atheist's position to be one. Anyone living outside of the love and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ is godless by default.

"I used to carry a bible around", perhaps instead of just carrying around a Bible, it would have been better had you read enough to meet the Author. Very sorry for your loss.

"When a man ceases to believe in God, he doesn't believe in nothing. He believes in anything."
G.K. Chesterton.
DelightntheLord »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:15 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

Drj
You're preaching to the choir on the bit about the lack of workers in the field but you neglect to see how others are working in the Body, we all have supporting roles in the furthering the cause of Christ, fufilling the Great Commission in the following ways:

"Rom 12:6-13 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith;
or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching;
he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good.
Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord;
rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;
distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality."

To make a distinction without a difference is a bit-nit picky and in violation of verse 10.
You sound as if you want an argument or have a bad opinion of your fellow field workers. Christians standing against the sins of society are acting as Good stewards and not trying to clean up the world to make a kingdom here on earth...they simply feel it is not God honoring to allow the culture to rage without a peep from the city on a hill, to hold the darkness back until the Restrainer is taken away; "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way." 2Thes 2:7.

The work of the Holy Spirit is thus "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment"... (John 16:8)....our ministry is no different.

Instead of looking for areas of disagreements about how one is gifted to fulfill the work of the Holy Spirit while we occupy this earth, we need to be thankful for the diversity of Gifts the Lord gives all of His children, we need to pray for one another and encourage one another so His name to be lifted up on the earth, and He will draw all men to Himself.
Tom »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:49 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 1

Flagged as inappropriate. show One better then that is how can one say they are Christian yet are for the killing of the most innocent of all--the unborn. Or for the twisting of scripture to condone the gay lifestyle. Gods Blessing in Christ Tom hide
Chip »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:36 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 0

wwfsmd-
You raised the issue of voting for Obama who you also believe is a Christian. Is that a cultural Christian or what? How can one be a real Christian but acknowledges that he believes that there are more ways to heaven besides Jesus?
wwfsmd »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:12 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

zabud,

I appreciate your non-argumentative intention. I understand that you mean well. I would stay away from the word "pity" though. I don't think it serves your purpose. I have a pretty thick skin, but many will not take well to the assumption that they need to be pitied.

When speaking to non-Christians, I'd also suggest staying away from the King James English. I know it sounds more poetic to you, but it comes off as preachy and out-of-touch to many. I'd grant an exception for the psalms, which would probably sound pretty lame without the archaic language.

You are not arguing, I'll grant you that. You are insisting, however. I'd actually prefer an argument. An argument implies that there may be some substance to your claims.

There is no reason to believe the bible, and the bible is what all your insisting is based on. If you don't have an argument, you aren't going to change an atheist's mind about your 3-in-1 god. Do you not realize that your scripture sounds the same to an atheist as Hindu scripture, or Islamic scripture?

Atheism in no more a religion than not playing a game is a game itself. Your anger is showing now. April Fool's day? You can look that one up. That is simply an insult, and will not help further your evangelist goals.
wwfsmd »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:40 pm Agree: 2 Disagree: 2

"Well, then set me straight. You believe the only folks electable to government office should be faithless..." -Delight

No, I don't. You are putting words into my mouth. I voted for Obama, who is Christian, when I could have voted for the Libertarian candidate, who is most likely atheist. This is what I mean by not grasping the concept.

There is only ONE uncloseted atheist in Congress. How dare you blame anything our government has done on "godless ways." That phrase, by the way, sounds really silly to someone who doesn't believe in gods. It's like saying "your evil leprechaunless ways."

Blaming crime on atheism is equally ridiculous. There are more christians in jail than atheists. Yes, there are more christians in the general population, so you'd expect this, but the percentage of atheist criminals is smaller than the percentage of atheists in the general population. Perhaps there's a reason for this.

The devil incarnate world leader? Do you think I have not read Revelation? Atheists in this country are often quite familiar with the bible. The bible is the reason many of us became atheists. How you can justify all the contradictions, ludicrous claims, and divinely justified cruelty in it is beyond me. That is a concept I don't grasp.

I was baptised. I used to carry a bible around, even to school. But after many years I saw the light of reason and the universe opened up. I wouldn't give up the clarity of truth and the awesome wonder of the natural world for the comfort of an imaginary afterlife. I can no longer swallow the lie, and I no longer want to.
DRJ »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:14 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

Thank you 'Prophet'. Delightnhim, I wish you and many other Christians would realize that evangelism is the first order of the Lord. The family of God has nearly all "gone to seed" on social issues rather than planting the seed of truth through Spirit-inspired, Spirit empowered, fruit producing witnessing! FOr 35 years I've watched church members sit piously chattering about social injustice and the down-fall of Christianity in this nation. For future reference here are the two absolute mandates of the Lord: 1. Go! 2. Make disciples! Further attempts at culturizing Christianity will see the further-ebbing of the influence of Christianity. We are not here to make the world a better place. Your salt and light references reflect the usual misunderstanding of the Words of Jesus. You are talking about the world, He is speaking of eternity. We ARE NOT citizens of this world, but of heaven. If the church was more involved with the teachings of Jesus there would be more discipling going on. What is discipling? It is not preparing people for life on earth! It is training people to produce fruit for God...that means souls! We are not to be caught up in popularity contests with pseudo-christian movements. We are to be like Jesus and His first disciples. We are to be fearless purveyors of the love of God to all people, whether they like it or not! Will we be rewarded on earth for our ministry? NO! Jesus said that those who have their minds set on the things of the earth will hate us...kill us! I realize that First Century evangelism is frowned upon in the political church of today, but since the Commission has never been retracted. The order still stands! Go! Make disciples! And when Jesus comes, may He find you and me doing just that. Amen?
Prophet »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 1 Disagree: 1

We defend our faith in God, we don't need to defend God Himself. He doesn't need our help.
DelightntheLord »

Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:16 pm Agree: 0 Disagree: 2

DRj--"We do not have to defend our God;we only have to obey"...

Defending the Gospel of Jesus Christ IS obedience and is part of the Great Commission.

Sounds simple on the face of it, but you're missing a huge work of the Body of Christ for exposing unsound doctrine; fighting the doctrine of demons, being available to God in bringing back the lost sheep, exhorting our brothers toward good works, speaking up for God's Word when it is being twisted by those who wish to give permission unto sin. Professing the Lord Jesus Christ in a fallen world with one Voice. To be a Beacon to those who are seeking.
I think that is being accomplished by the Christians who post on CP and although I see a lot of foolish arguments, we can help point that out to one another.

Not all work God has for the Church is in the field of street evengelism; the great commission requires great works within our Churches to strengthen; helping one another to live Holy Lives as we see the day of God's Wrath drawing near.

We really don't know who reads these Posts so all Christian posters must learn to be pleasing to God, bringing Him Glory through it and put our own CP posting under the Lordship of Christ. Let the Holy Spirit lead; He obviously provided a forum here for us and while we still have the freedom of speech we should preach the Gospel and exhort one another for who so ever comes online to see what the Christians say.

"Walk in wisdom toward those who are outside, redeeming the time. Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one." Col4:5,6

We don't give up and stop talking to the world because we don't think they want to hear.... we are to be salt and light in areas we are gifted and keep on defending His word; His word never comes back void, it always does some one good! Let's not limit the many ways God uses His church; His Body to reach the lost.

"only rejecting THE LORD and in doing so, they opt out of His Kingdom..." DRJ, I did a lot of rejecting before I saw the Light, I don't want to make a rush to judgement on when someone rejects God for the final time. As long as there is breath there is hope. God give us the wisdom to descern between the two.

"Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you."

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