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Church|Sat, Jan. 10 2009 03:10 PM EST

Saddleback Pastor: Domestic Abuse Not Reason for Divorce

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

Correction appended

Physical abuse by one’s spouse is not a biblical reason for divorce, says a pastor at Saddleback Church in southern California.

Tom Holladay, teaching pastor at the megachurch founded by best-selling author Rick Warren, says the Bible only gives two cases where divorce is acceptable: abandonment and a physical affair.

“I wish there were a third in Scripture having been involved as a pastor with situations of abuse," Holladay said in an audio clip posted on Saddleback Church’s Web site. "There is something in me that wishes there were a Bible verse that says, 'If they abuse you in this-and-such kind of way, then you have a right to leave them.'"

Physical abuse, he defined, is someone “literally” beating another person up regularly.

"I don't mean they grab you once. I mean they've made a habit of beating you regularly,” he clarified.

But while Holladay believes divorce is not a biblical option in cases of domestic violence, he strongly recommends the couple to separate. During the separation, the couple should undergo counseling and try to mend the marriage, he said.

“Separation combined with counseling has been proven to provide healing in people’s lives,” the pastor said, noting that his church, Saddleback, offers such a program.

“There is no where in the Bible that says you should put up with abuse,” he emphasized. There is no where that says it is an “attitude of submission to let someone abuse you.”

It is logical to think that divorce will offer an escape from the pain, the pastor acknowledged, but in reality it doesn’t. The pain of a broken marriage continues for the rest of a person’s life.

After a divorce, there is an “immediate release” from pain and people can think that freedom and joy are coming back into their life. But in the long term, the pain recurs every time the two former spouses deal with the children or communicate. And even events in a new marriage can trigger painful memories.

Holladay recommends instead of the “short-term solution” of a divorce that will involve long-term pain, people should endure “short-term pain” and find “God’s solution” for “long-term gain.”

The pastor explained that God understands the pain of a difficult marriage. The nation of Israel in the Bible is depicted as the bride of God, but Scripture also expresses in great detail the pain of God as Israel tries to divorce itself from its spiritual husband.

Through the Bible, people can see that God understands the pain of a hurtful marriage and can offer comfort, strength, perspective and wisdom to those also suffering from such a relationship, the pastor said.

“Does God expect us to live with this pain? No,” Holladay stated. “I think he expects us to ask him for wisdom to do the things that would cause the pain to begin to be solved. He says we're one and as Christians, as believers, the Bible says a husband is to sacrifice for his wife and the wife is to respect her husband."

"So if that's not happening," he continued, "I think you have not only the right but also the responsibility to keep pushing for that, to not just settle for the pain."

For those who had a divorce before accepting Christ as their savior, Holladay said God does not hold them accountable because the person did not know it was wrong. And to those who divorced their spouse after becoming a believer, he said some of them will reflect that divorce seemed right at the time but now seems more of a selfish response than anything else. To those people who admit they made the wrong choice, he noted that they should know God forgives sin.

Correction: Saturday, January 10, 2009:

An article on Saturday, Jan. 10, 2009, about a pastor saying that domestic violence is not a biblical reason for divorce incorrectly attributed the comments to Rick Warren, the founding pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif. The Christian Post later confirmed that the unattributed audio clip was of Tom Holladay, teaching pastor at Saddleback Church.

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  • Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:28 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I really must be brave enough to take a stand on this issue. In my humble opinion sacrificing one's life because of mistaken marraige vows is not something God requires of us. An abuser is highly unlikely to stop abusing, and separation does not necessarily stop the threat. Rarely will an abuser submit to counseling. When a woman stays in an abusive marriage she does so because her opinion of the situation is that she must have done something to deserve the abuse which is rarely true. Yes, the church must be in a position to help reconcile, but an abuser rarely allows the spouse the opportunity to seek help, the control of the abused by the abuser is overwhelming. Forgiving someone does not mean you become their doormat. What the church truly needs to be doing is loving people as Jesus loved, and Jesus loved sinners to life. How many abusers have you loved enough to confront? How many divorced people have you loved enough to forgive?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:39 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

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  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    God made concessions for divorce in certain instances. He'd rather we didn't. He'd rather we reconcile. Just because God said we can divorce for infidelity doesn't mean He said we had to. His hope is that the two parties would seek Him and pray to bring healing and restoration to the marriage and work things out. Too many spouses use that concession to find an easy way out, instead of going through and making things better. People use divorce as a lazy way to solve a problem. Maybe that's why God hates it.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "give more info. I am open to hearing more."

    I have worked in various fields over the past 25 years and have found one thing to be a constant. As Philip Crosby says...quality is conformance to requirements. Once people have a clear understanding of the requirements and those requirements are met then the customer is happy.

    Not following the instructions and requirements causes problems. The same is said concerning the Bible. God gave us everything we need to know in the Bible. If everyone simply did what God wanted ... life would be quite a bit easier.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, heading to the house for supper, talk soon and I've enjoyed dialogue!

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, totally agree with 4:59 post!!

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, as I said way back when this article appeared, I heard Chuck Swindoll a number of years ago share that he believed God would not want anyone to stay in an abusive marriage and he felt God would not object to that person getting a divorce. I tend to agree with Swindoll although I know there is no specific scripture to support that view. But another problem is that in very few cases would the abuser be willing to come in for counseling.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    believer: disobedience is sin in any matter. but dealing with divorce, i am not saying that divorce brings on disobedience. perhaps disobedience is what brings divorce?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, I agree mankind has made a mockery of marriage and the marriage covenant in many ways and I do rejoice in the fact that God restored your marriage.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer: what would you say to a couple coming for help when one is abusing the other? and they are talking divorce?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, so what you're saying is disobedience is the sin and divorce is the means of that disobedience?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am more than thankful that there was a few who were willing to pray and intercede for me and my husband many yrs. ago when we almost ended it.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God takes the marriage covenant more serious than what we realize. we think that we can get away with sin.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    believer: disobedience is any matter is sin.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, I agree that both parties are not necessarily guilty of the sin and in many cases it would indeed be only one person who is guilty of the sin of divorce and the other person is not.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, I can find no New Testament passage that specifically calls divorce sin, but if we are willfully disobeying God's standard in a matter is that not sin? Plus, Christ in Matthew 19:8 speaks to the hardness of the heart, so to me this indicates sin as well in this matter.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    how can you stay married if your unbelieving spouse wishes to divorce? 1 Cor. 7: 15 clearly states to let them go.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DanielPaul: give more info. I am open to hearing more.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, all too true!

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer: 1 Cor. 7: 10-11 does not indicate that it is sin. you tell me where it is called sin in the New Testament?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Yet another reason not to take the bible too seriously. "

    Actually, it is not taking the Bible seriously which has caused the problem.....

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, but could we agree that while divorce may be permissible in some cases there are some when it is not and in those cases divorce would be seen by God as sin?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:27 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 0

    on a lighter note: any man who hits a woman should have a cattle prod put to him.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Many of my relatives have divorced for alot of reasons. But their singing, preaching, playing instruments have never been the same. No anointing. (they all remarried, and I have a problem with that.)

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    God knows that we are dipsticks. so no matter how much He hates divorce, He already knew that many of His children would go this route. It doesn't make it right by no means. When one divorces for reasons other than infidelity, their life is never the same spiritually. Many would disagree with that. But especially for those who are in ministry.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer: Malachi 2:14-16 God hates divorce. Plain and simple. But what about the reasons for divorce in Corinthians?

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga, please share your view of Malachi 2:14-16.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It is the responsibility of any counselor to protect any legitimate person and counsel them the right way, so their wellbeing should always be considered. The counselor has a responsibility to help to repair the marriage but abuse is going over the line, and the individual which inflicted the abuse should be opposed.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:28 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i find it very sad that the majority of pastors are not letting their people know what the Word of God says about marriage, divorce, remarriage and abuse. Only a handful.

  • Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:12 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Yet another reason not to take the bible too seriously.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer: in answer to your question: He hates divorce because of it's affects. It rips apart, tears down.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet and smbga, why would God hate divorce if it is not a sin?

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    prophet: yes you are right. it's the remarriage that's sin.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    And to honest, if I read the scriptures correctly. Divorce is not a sin, it's the remarriage after that becomes a sin.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    but I still don't believe that a woman or man should stay in an abusive relationship. i just don't put up with that mess. It's hard for me to be around relatives or friends who argue and scream at one another. I get up and get out. I happen to love the peace in my home.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    My marriage is good now. In fact, it is the best it's ever been. I don't just love my husband, I actually like him. But my heart and his heart had to change. We were both backslidden.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:12 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    A friend of mine was killed by her abusive husband because her pastor told her if she got a divorce she would be guilty of adultry in God's eyes. I do not believe that a loving and caring God would want any of his children to be hurt or live in that type of environment. Divorce is not an unforgivable sin either. However, divorce for reasons other then infidelity, abuse or the unbeliever leaving the believer, to me could be questionable.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    smbga: So you stayed with the husband that you filed for divorce from and ended up not divorcing him? If so, good on you! :)

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:39 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine72: I didn't remarry. I stayed married. I wanted out of the marriage for a very long time. But because of my religious upbringing I lived in fear of God hating me or killing me if I left my spouse.

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Your right weekender and I take back the second part of my mail, though the first still stands (maybe you would like to comment on that too?).

    Re your name calling,can I reccommend that at some point you take a look at the posts of Danielpaul or believer. We (and others) have robust converations but what ever we think about what the other has written we never name call but take time to reason with the other person. Maybe you feel that this approach works best for you and if so the best of luck, it would be nice to see you join us in polite debate though, you would be most welcome.
    Steve

  • Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I told myself i wasn't going to post anymore because of all the bickering and fighting that goes on but i wanted to comment on this because it hits home for me and my wife. she came from an abusive relationship and I can't fault her for leaving.

    What all of you failed to read in this article and in general of this topic that was brought up was that the pastor in the article was talking about using the church to reconcile the marriage and heal the causes of the abuse. The problem is this, the person doing the abuse doesn't have Jesus in their heart so it is going to be tough to reconsile when the abuser doesn't head to the authority of the church.

    The pastor in the article was not talking about the abuse being biblically ok or even accepted, what he was talking about was reconsiling the marriage after a time of seperation where both parties could seek counciling.

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    smbga: Why did you choose to remarry?

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    let me clarify something!! I was never abused physically. Verbally only.

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    weekenderman: Yes I agree. God hates divorce. But all it would take is for my husband to hit me one time, and it would be his last. I would never take abuse. Been thru it. I was brought up in a christian home that I had to take it if I married it. Well, because of thinking that God would kill me or hate me, I stayed in it for 15 yrs. before I decided it was enough. I filed for divorce. Tried to kill myself. But thank you Jesus for the mercy of God that I came thru it all. Now I can help others. But I won't take abuse from my spouse.

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:53 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    BTW, the offended spouse in an abusive marriage is free to walk away (separate) from the abusing partner. The unborn baby does not have the same opportunity, so your comparison is immature and irrelevant.

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If you want to laugh at what the Bible says, Steve, do that at your own risk. But I've been challenging people on this site to show Scriptural evidence of when God permits divorce other than in cases of infidelity and abandonment (on the part of the non-Christian spouse) and no one has been able to come up with any examples. God will have the last laugh at those who mock and scorn His instruction.

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "simply" for reasons of verbal, or even physical, abuse.

    lol

    I get it, violence towards the baby in the womb is wrong, but if your outside of the womb....LOL

  • Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "do you continually take it? walk away?"

    According to Jesus Christ himself, we're to forgive 70 times 7 (i.e. forever). God hates divorce, and if you believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God you will agree divorce is never permitted (by God) simply for reasons of verbal, or even physical, abuse.

  • Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    i have given up certain family members and many friends. they weren't good for me.

  • Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    and yes. things can get much worse, before they get better. that's why many give up. i almost gave up. but prayer makes the difference. i found out the hard way that we must surround ourselves with those who are full of God.

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