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Society|Wed, Jan. 21 2009 08:41 AM EST

Episcopal Priest Claims 'Being Gay is Gift from God'

By Lillian Kwon|Christian Post Reporter

Correction appended

The Rev. Canon J. Edwin Bacon Jr. from Southern California has made it no secret that he supports gays and lesbians and same-sex marriage. But his recent pro-gay comments on the Oprah Winfrey show have stunned even the popular talk show host herself.

"Being gay is a gift from God," Bacon declared in an episode that aired Jan. 7.

Appearing shocked, Winfrey responded, "Well, you are the first minister I’ve ever heard say, 'Being gay is a gift from God,' I can tell you that."

Bacon's controversial statement sparked a fiery debate on Winfrey's website, leading the talk show host to invite the Episcopal priest back to elaborate on what he meant.

"I meant exactly what I said," Bacon, rector of All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, told Winfrey via video a few days later. "It is so important for every human being to understand that he or she is a gift from God, and particularly people who are marginalized and victimized in our culture. Gay and lesbian people are clearly outcasts in many areas of our life and it's so important for them to understand that when God made them, God said you are good. That is a gift, that is a blessing, that is the original blessing with which every one of us is made by God and loved by God."

One commenter on Oprah.com's message board responded: "I was appalled by the pastor's remark ... how many people did this man of the cloth lead down the wrong road with his comment?"

Another commenter praised Bacon and said it was "freeing" to hear Bacon's statement.

And yet another said: "Though I agree that being gay is not a gift from God, but rather a sexual preference and thus a choice, I also believe in love and acceptance of all, no matter what."

The Episcopal priest has repeatedly proclaimed a message of inclusiveness. In a controversial move last year, Bacon opened his church to perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples a week after the California Supreme Court had legalized homosexual marriage in May.

After stirring more controversy on Winfrey's show this month, Bacon has been flooded with calls and emails, some with positive words and some with critical remarks.

Labeling himself as "biblically oriented," Bacon claimed he's going down the road of Jesus, showing compassion and being inclusive, and not the road of condemnation and judgment.

Warren Throckmorton, and Assoc. Professor of Psychology and Fellow for Psychology and Public Policy in the Center for Vision and Values at Grove City College in Pennsylvania, doesn't believe Bacon's comments help in the ongoing debate over the Bible and homosexuality.

"Traditional Christianity teaches that all people are valued by God as bearers of His image," he commented to The Christian Post. "However, moral questions surrounding sexual behavior are matters of great dispute among Christians. Rev. Bacon is less than helpful when he condemns those who disagree with him."

Bacon's comments aired during the third episode of Winfrey’s special series, "Best Life Week."

Correction: Friday, January 23, 2009:

An article on Wednesday, January 21, 2009, about an Episcopal priest's controversial comments on homosexuality incorrectly titled Warren Throckmorton as director of the College Counseling Service. Throckmorton is no longer the college counseling director but now serves as Fellow for Psychology and Public Policy in the Center for Vision and Values at Grove City College.

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  • Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    are we set to see another schism in the church?... https://www.mindreign.com/en/mindshare/Religion/Candles-Out-in-the-Episcopal-Church-3f/sl36962305bp346cpp10pn1.html

  • Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    In Jesus's own view, judge not lest you be judged, who here can cast the first stone. I don't judge you. Being gay is a gift, we are called two spirited in native cultures, we were the holy people, the true believers in many cultures. Even now many gay and lesbians are drawn to the ministry not to molest but to follow god.

    One of the passages that answered my problem was what was the real sin of Sodom, the answer is this.

    Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed, and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty, and did detestable things before me (literally, 'committed idolatry'). Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
    (Ezekiel 16:49-50, New International version".

    Why is it people can see problems with other and ignore there own problems.

    Being gay or straight is no ones business but there own.

    There is more in the Bible about the evils of stright people than gay. All the statement listed in all the comments refuse to except the point straight people are more sinful than any gay or lesbian.

    I do believe that god made me gay, just like god made all the straight people. 7 to 10% of the animal kindom is homosexual, we are doing gods work to be gay.

    In the time of the Bible population was a problem any form of sexuality that did not produce children was wrong, even married couples that had no children, are they condemed, no of course not.

    I am gay, because god made me this way. God doesn't make mistakes but humans do.

    I attend a affirming church that excepts me, if you don't so what. I don't except you. Who truly is the sodomites. Your doing the sin of Sodom when you refuse to help the poor, or not care for your fellow man. All the people of Sodem were destroyed not just the homosexuals, why was that? Maybe the sin was inhospitality, many of those rich Ministries care little about the poor or needy, they tend to over indulge in many worldly things, this is truly the sin.

    I have seen just as much between same sex couples and opposite sex, and in may cases more.

    Interesting same sex marriage fact: The church did not declare heterosexual marriage to be a sacrament until 1215 CE., one of the Vatican Library's earliest Greek liturgical documents is a marriage ceremony for two persons of the same gender.

  • Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:43 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    JPC, it is not homosexuals being talked about, it is those who willingly gave themselves into sexual desires to worship another god. God does not "give people over to their sins" just because, but we have seen in the Bible that God gets furious at people who have false idols, which Pagans practiced.

  • JPC »
    Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    It says directly that God gave the homosexuals up to it as in below;

    Romans 1:24
    "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness ... "

    Those on here claiming some OTHER special understanding are just plain wrong by saying anything that controdicts this clear and plain language of the New Testament.

    The Episcople Priest was totally accurate in saying that being Gay is a gift from God, and the factual proof is quoted above in Romans 1:24 KJV.

  • Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Its a pity that you are so wrapped up in words that you cannot see over your Bible.

  • Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:16 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    If anything, that interpretation better helps me with my interpretation, so I thank you. It sounds as if abusers of themselves with mankind would be talking more about prostitutes or drug users (although I'm guessing prostitutes was more the issue at that time.) Temple prostitutes would sleep with men or women as a form of worship in pagan ceremonies, and I could see Paul describing that as abusing yourself.

  • Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:14 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, I know plenty of gay men who are not effeminate, and I am not abusing myself by being in a relationship. You interpret it as meaning homosexual because that is your worldview, but that most certainly is not and has not been my experience with being gay.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, the word homosexual was added into the Bible so you could feel it was stated much more clearly, but that is not an accurate translation.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:15 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, being gay and loving another man is a lower on a "downward spiral" that murder or rape?!? I don't understand you! That is not logical thought. You are so incredibly clouded by the belief that you are right that you aren't even thinking clearly. I love my partner, hmm, doesn't seem evil. To take someone's life out of jealousy, revenge, or a need for power is an AWFUL thing, but you honestly think being gay is worse?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    1Co 6:9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
    Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:12 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    You don't speak God's truth! You said all gays should go to bathhouses "where we belong." That is not Godly, that is hatred.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:20 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, I didn't say you hate ME, but your skewed understanding of what it means to be gay most certainly breeds hate in this world.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Gr8, thinking that homosexuality is the root of all evil is most certainly irrational hate speech.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike, the Bible reveals this sin so cut clear, this is not hate but revelation which was a cornerstone to understanding what sin is and the many different sins that has existed, this not hate or human fabrication, Mike, the hate speech theory you propose is unwise because this is a declaration from God coming through the scriptures transcending time Sir.

  • Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jehovah, here's where our ability to reason comes in, and you're not showing any. 2 men or women who are in LOVE are the lowest of the downward spiral? Not murderers? Not gang member/drug dealers who target children? Not pedophiles? Not terrorists? HOMOSEXUALS?!? You make no sense, and it is clear that you have some skewed, immense hatred of gays which is why you target us in your posts.

  • Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:07 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    JPC, that is a horrifically inaccurate statement that God gave HOMOSEXUALS over to their desires. The passage is very clearly talking about sexual immorality, specifically orgies used as a form of idolatry for Pagan rituals. To claim it is directed at homosexuals isn't correct.

  • JPC »
    Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    It all goes back to Romans 1 just as I said before;

    The Priest is correct calling it a "gift of God" and that is backed up by Romans 1, where it specifically says that God gave those people up to the homosexuality and it repeats that saying over again in Romans 1 that God has done it to those people.

    So we (non homosexuals) have no true claim in fighting against the will of God, and it says the will of God is in turning those people into the homosexuality.

    It can be argued that it was a "curse" and not a "blessing" or a "gift" or call it a "nasty gift" if you must, but God did it to the persons, amen.

    And "believer" is completely backwards in saying God is "allowing it" or giving them a "choice" because Romans 1 says not.

  • Mee »
    Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Being gay is a gift from God," The question is Which god? The one that rules the under world. Couse it clear in the Bible What God think of Gays. No need to say more !

  • Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:50 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, if it's okay with you why don't we move our discussion to one sight, I've responded to you on the Wyoming site, see you there!

  • Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:26 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, omitting that from the Bible (not giving other options) is not the same as saying it, but you INTERPRET him as saying it that way.

  • Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer,
    It's okay. Yes, many Catholics reject that doctrine, but some of the hardliners (like many I've talked with on CP) still emphatically adhere to that. Which is self-incriminating since they themselves cannot/will not carry out that teaching.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, sure He does, simply beacuse He offers no other options to those two designs.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, just reread your post and saw that you were talking about catholics and not your personal view, sorry about that, but once again that may be the teaching of the catholic church but it is disregarded by many catholics.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet, so after a woman goes through menopause she and her husband should no longer have sex or in my wife's case she had to have a total hysterectomy, so are you saying for her and I to have sex is wrong?

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually, I believe the Catholic belief in not using condoms or birth control isn't about "spilling their seed" (because that would not include the pill). Their argument is God's command to be fruitful and multiply. They view sex as procreation. And the only time you should have sex is in the desire to have kids.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:24 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, he never says its his original and only plan!!! Those are words YOU have created and use to beat a dead horse.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, I don't need to use any teaching from Leviticus to show God is opposed to both same-sex marriage and sexual intimacy between homosexual couples since once again God clearly shares His original and only design for both in the Old and New Testament alike.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, please cite the scriptures that say that birth control is a sin, in the case of Onan the issue was not birth control, but disobedience to the laws of the levirate marriage. That view is an extrabiblical teaching of the catholic church which is one of the most violated view among catholics.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:33 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, Catholics believe that sex with a condom, even between married couples is wrong. You do not. You'll need to give me some time, but I know there is a verse about not spilling your seed which they use, yet I'm willing to bet you choose not to use. Also, Lev. is something you picked, despite the fact that every other verse around it you ignore. Its all or nothing buddy.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:38 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike22685, please enlighten me of where I pick and choose and have not shown where God's Word shows that some of the former laws of the Old Testament are no longer applicable today. Whereas, you simply pick and choose to meet your personal desires and feelings and don't from a biblical perspective show how scripture allows that choice.

  • Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:05 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer, you pick and choose as well, but you're too hypocritical to admit it! EVERYONE picks and chooses from the Bible. You do it too, and if you don't admit it then you're lying to yourself.

    Prophet, what you just said made no sense, despite your best effort. Sorry.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    But what grinds your gears is when I post more than one message. And I don't want you to embarass yourself by saying that I do that just to get your goat. I've been on CP way longer than you have, and I've always been that way.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mike22685, so then you are a cafeteria Christian when it comes to the Word of God, you simply pick and choose what you want to or don't want to believe. Well that explains why you don't get it about God's original and only design for marriage and sexual intimacy, you simply choose not to believe it the same way you choose not to believe in the fall of man even though it is taught throughout the Word of God.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike,

    "Sure they do Wilderness, it just grinds your gears."

    Actually...it doesn't.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:34 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    I don't believe in the fall of man. I think there has always been a balance of good and evil in this world, which is our choosing. I don't think homosexuality is because of evil, because evil cannot breed love. You focus on doomsday and refuse to look honestly at the love of a gay couple, such as my partner and I.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:51 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 1

    Homosexual activity "committed" or not, only manifested because of the fall of man, its root, sin and death. Some have created a god after the image of fallen man (a god who gives the gifts of sinful activity) that they might enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Sure they do Wilderness, it just grinds your gears.

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:38 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Episcopal Priest Claims 'Being Gay is Gift from God.'"

    Such teaching does not come from "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people" that show forth the praises of him that has called them out of darkness and into his marvelous light (1Pe 2:9).

  • Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    jpc, you interpretation is a wrong as this person's, God allowing someone to do something is far different than God making a person do something, it's like a parent saying to a child going out on their own, I've done all that I can do to show you the right thing to do, but ultimately the choice is up to you and if you choose to do the wrong thing, well the choice is yours, but just remember for every choice a person makes there are consequences.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:50 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 2

    Prophet, they weren't recorded because they weren't happening in the open. History records things, regardless of whether they are accepted or not. You are ignorant. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.

  • JPC »
    Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I simply must agree with the Episcopal Priest that said "Being Gay is a Gift from God" and I even saw him say it on the Oprah show.

    The claim is backed up by Romans 1, where it specifically says that God gave those people up to the homosexuality and it repeats that saying over again in Romans 1 that God has done it to those people.

    So we (non homosexuals) have no true claim in fighting against the will of God, and it says the will of God is in turning those people into the homosexuality.

    It can be argued that it was a "curse" and not a "blessing" or a "gift" or call it a "nasty gift" if you must, but God did it to the persons, amen.

    My own understanding of God giving curses is that the curse is like punishing a disobediant child and the curse is really a punishment intended to teach the wrong doer the right way. So God's cursings are not just a "gift" as the Episcople Priest said because God's cursings are really a blessing, and that means if we denounce or degrade any person for being "Gay" then we are talking against the will of God.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Ignorance is saying that because committed homosexual relationship aren't recorded much back then that they know nothing about it, when they weren't recorded because they were not allowed back then.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:27 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Believer, you and I have a different idea of what clear means.

    Prophet, I find it funny that you laugh off your own proven ignorance.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    I find that rather amusing. Mike says that there aren't many records of committed homosexual relationships back then, and I point out that it was because they weren't allowed back then either, and mike's response is "excuses excuses".

    Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus reaffirmed that marriage is between a man and a woman, the way God created it.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Excuses excuses excuses...so it turns out you don't have facts to back up your arguments, only suppositions. "

    Woooooow. That's a really convincing argument. LOL.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike22685, no, God's Word speaks clearly as to God's opinion of same-sex marriage and any other form of marriages that violates His original and only design for marriage, it's a sin!

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:49 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Excuses excuses excuses...so it turns out you don't have facts to back up your arguments, only suppositions.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "Prophet, there are extremely few documents citing any gay committed relationships"

    Probably because they weren't accepted even back then.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    The laws of Moses prohibit homosexuality. So the Jews knew about homosexuality long before then.

  • Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:32 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, there are extremely few documents citing any gay committed relationships, and seeing as how people then didn't read or care much for history, I doubt they knew. Tell me, are you certain because this is something you've studied, or because it proves your point?

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