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Judge Refuses Anonymity to Prop. 8 Donors

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

A federal judge on Thursday denied a request to keep the names of late donors to the Proposition 8 campaign undisclosed, a move that backers of the California same-sex marriage ban say puts more donors at risk of harassment or reprisals.

Early Proposition 8 donors, whose names have already been disclosed on the secretary of state's website, have been harassed and some have received death threats, according to officials of the Yes on 8 campaign. Harassing e-mails, phone calls and post cards received by contributors to the California marriage amendment include "Burn in hell" and "If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter."

In seeking protection for late donors, ProtectMarriage.com and the National Organization for Marriage California had sought a preliminary injunction to hide the identities of donors who contributed $100 to $999 in the last two weeks before the election last November.

But after a one-hour hearing Thursday, U.S. District Judge Morrison England Jr. denied the request, clearing the way for the names of some 1,600 people to be made public on Monday.

England said the public has the right to know who's financing state ballot measures. He observed that often times campaign committees have misleading names and that full disclosure of donors is the only way to inform the public of the campaign's intent.

"The court finds that the state is not facilitating retaliation by compelling disclosure," he said.

ProtectMarriage.com and NOM had filed suit in early January, challenging the 1974 Political Reform Act, which requires the state to reveal the name and employer of people who give $100 or more to campaigns. The suit also challenged the Act’s requirement that committees report contributors who give $100 or more because the threshold is not indexed to inflation.

In court filings, the groups claimed there is a reasonable probability that the disclosure law will result in threats, harassment, and reprisals, similar to those already suffered by some supporters of Proposition 8, which California voters approved in November and which overturned a state Supreme Court ruling that allowed gay marriage.

Attorneys on behalf of ProtectMarriage.com and NOM said they would not seek to block the next campaign filing, but would take their challenge against the state's disclosure law to the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.

"We are disappointed that we did not receive the preliminary injunction," said Yes on 8 campaign manager Frank Schubert in a statement. "But this fight is really about how donors to a future campaign will be treated. We are committed to ensuring that supporters of traditional marriage can do so without fear of intimidation and harassment."

Ron Prentice, chairman of ProtectMarriage.com, believes there is "systematic effort" to seek out Proposition 8 donors and harass them.

The latest example of published names being used to expose Proposition 8 donors is a website (www.eightmaps.com), set up by opponents of the same-sex marriage ban, that shows a home or office location of donors on Google Maps.

"The message of this harassment is unmistakable - 'support traditional marriage and we will find you,'" said Prentice.

The suit also noted groups such as Californians Against Hate that exist for the primary purpose of identifying and taking action against supporters of Proposition 8.

England dismissed many of the reported harassment incidents as legal activities such as boycotting and picketing. He said that alleged death threats could be reported to law enforcement.

Schubert told the Associated Press that he predicted the traditional marriage groups would have a better chance of showing that they deserved an exemption from disclosure laws when they are able to bring in more evidence of harassment during a full trial of their lawsuit.

Meanwhile, the main legal battle concerning Proposition 8 is yet to be heard by the California Supreme Court. Final briefs in the challenge over the validity of Proposition 8 were filed this week and the case could be argued before Justices as early as the first week in March.

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  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:37 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    so which fruit of the spirit would "you're a pathetic human" fall under?

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Again, sticking up for each other despite the fact that this whole thing started because someone used the term children with special needs" as a put down. You guys then go on to support each other through copying and pasting out of context and blatantly trying to twist my words with no logic or intellect. I hope you all have a fun Friday night, you're not worth my time.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Anyone reading this can see you will stop at nothing to try and paint me in a bad light,"

    You seem to be doing quite a good job of that all on your own Mike.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    i see. so which fruit of the spirit would that fall under?

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:26 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jester, do you have a brain in that head of yours?!? I was very, very clearly saying that I didn't agree with your post: "im glad you agree that calling someone pathetic is not a fruit of the spirit. so quit acting so holy." Anyone reading this can see you will stop at nothing to try and paint me in a bad light, but you continue digging and digging that hole.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Mike22685 Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:04 pm : 0 : 0 Flag You continue digging your own hole. You are a pathetic human being feeling the need to attack someone on a posting board like this. You most certainly are not a Christian by the way you act, and don't even try to argue that is what Jesus would do. Shame on you, grow up.




    yeah, that must of been ANOTHER mike that said that. nice try though. you continue to show youre a liar.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:17 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Actually that's not what I said. Good try though! You continue to prove my point.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    im glad you agree that calling someone pathetic is not a fruit of the spirit. so quit acting so holy.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Standing up for children with learning disabilities shows I don't have the fruits of the spirit? Yea, OK! You are pathetic, and I don't think its unchristian to say so, at all. You judge, but you have no idea that you contribute NOTHING to any conversation on this board, never once! Get a life man.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mikey,
    you continue to argue that homosexuality is acceptable to God because it displays the fruits of the spirit. you also claim to be a christian, which your actions prove your not.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jester, when did I say I have the fruits of the spirit?

    DP, the fact that you disagree doesn't make me wrong, nor does it make my argument futile. I think the fact that you and your friends on here jump on me for each and every thing, no matter how small, is quite funny. You've developed somewhat of an obsession with targeting little old me. I've asked many times before, but have yet to get an honest answer: Why is that?

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Jester, you mock me for acting like Jesus? "

    When did you do this Mike. I've been reading your posts for months.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "DP, not at all actually, just calling you out and its clear you're not able to accept that,"

    Oh, I accept that you are calling me out. I'm just speaking the truth which is something you have difficulty with.

    The truth is your posts are much like what I hear from teachers in IEP meetings when discribing anti-social behavior. You have a difficult time accepting that God does have standards under grace and being gay is not included on the acceptable side of things.

    You feel the need to somehow win an arguement here which you cannot win. The Bible is clear. You have never provided any proof whatsoever that Paul is addressing some pagan ritual in Romans 1. The reason would be because there isn't any. Paul is addressing ANY forsaking of the "natural function" where sex is involved.

    Your arguements clearly ignore whatever doesn't agree with you. When you post something claiming the Bible says, I go and check the greek. Your posts are not Biblically accurate.

    I will continue to post what the Bible says from the greek. You may not want the truth but the truth I will post:

    Rom 1:26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;
    Rom 1:27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.

    "also the males having left the natural use of the female,"

    "natural" (5446) means "physical"
    "use" (5540) means "employment i.e. spec sexual intercourse"

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    hey. i'm not the one claiming to have the fruits of the spirit. you are. but we see by your comments that you don't.

  • Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Well, I think you are from your actions so far. You have not once said anything positive or nice to a single person on this board, and you find pleasure in insulting others. Find something better to do with your life than tear people down making stupid comments that reflect poorly on you.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    calling someone a pathetic human is christ like? interesting.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:46 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No, I didn't, and I think anyone who reads your posts will agree with me. You are not a nice person, and you failed to meet your objective (getting my goat.) Could you please stop looking for some kind of angry response since you're not worth one and move on?

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    its so easy to be "Christ like" when everyone's nice to you and everythings going your way. just about anyone can do that. the true test of how Christ like you are and whether you truly have the fruit of the spirit is when people are "insulting" you and disagreeing with you. can you be Christ like then? nope. you failed miserably.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You are a pathetic human"

    that sounds really Christlike. wow, mike. you won me over. i cant make fun of you acting like Jesus, cuz you don't.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    No, you all desperately wish that were true, but you don't know me other than the fact that I am in a committed gay relationship. If you want to condemn me to hell on them, so be it, but its not your place and someday you'll pay dearly for it.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Jester, you mock me for acting like Jesus?"

    the only way i could do that is if you were. and we all know your not.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jester, you mock me for acting like Jesus? Wow, you continue to show your true colors. You are not getting my goat, but you're making yourself look like one heck of a jerk. Keep it up.

    DP, not at all actually, just calling you out and its clear you're not able to accept that, so you try to turn the spotlight back on me. Funny how you "Christians" do that."

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    daniel,
    i must admit that i am purposely trying to get his goat. i've seen people insult and persecute christians like you and star and beliver and prophet. there is very little, if any, obvious insulting retaliation on any of your parts. but mike likes to insult, and then so eloquently speak of having the fruits of the spirit in his life. but i see none in his life. he is a hateful, self centered, false christian in my opinion. i see you and the others display so much more of the fruits than a hundred mike's could muster up.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You claim to want mature conversation, but I have yet to see that from you. "

    "You are a pathetic human being feeling the need to attack someone on a posting board like this."

    First those two statements betray each other. Secondly, your second statement shows your need to attack those who don't agree with you.

    Your post sounds quite like "I'M NOT YELLING!!!"

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aw mikey! i see you responding the way Jeus would. yeah. when he was being whipped and beaten. spit on. cursed. forced to carry his own tool of execution. nailed like a common theif to a cross to die a slow agonizing death. all the time he was cursing them back and telling them to grow up and that they'll regret what they were doing.

    yeah. you're a fine example of christianity. apparently you don't have the fruits of the spirit that you so pridefully boast about.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You continue digging your own hole. You are a pathetic human being feeling the need to attack someone on a posting board like this. You most certainly are not a Christian by the way you act, and don't even try to argue that is what Jesus would do. Shame on you, grow up.

    DP, you put words in my mouth because they are words you'd rather hear me say. It would be easier for you if I said "Let's just ignore Romans" but I have never said such a thing. In fact, I have repeatedly talked about it and discussed its historical context, something which YOU tend to ignore.

    DP, I teach special ed day in and day out in the worst neighborhood of Baltimore. Do not lecture me about advocating for children with special needs, and do not say that an adult is acting "like a special needs child" as a put down. You claim to want mature conversation, but I have yet to see that from you.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "then say someone is acting as a special needs child as put down!"

    The first rule of real advocating is to find out what is really going on with the child. You don't just say "oh, Johnny is just having a bad day". You put a behavioral intervention plan in place. To ignore a problem is to be part of it.

    In your case, you want us to ignore Romans 1 and accept your beliefs. This would be wrong and not in anyones best interest.

    The Bible says love believes all things. This means the bad with the good. Denial plays no part in love. I was asked a question as to Prophets posts and you. I answered it as matter-of-factly as I could. It was an observation...not a judgement. You have shown a consistant pattern of thinking any correct observation that does not agree with you is some kind of personal judgement. We're not "out to get you".

    One of the main issues of helping a special needs child is that someone along the line is not wanting to see the problem for what it is. After all, if you "love" the child you'll just put up with the problem instead of CORRECTLY deal with it, right? In one case here, a bi-polar ADHD child is having behavioral manifestations at the school. Well duh.... The school just says he's a behavior problem and will NOT refer the child for eval. They would rather kick him out then do what is right. He has no 504, IEP or BIP and this has been going on for years.

    We're all adults here. My posts are at that level of converstaion.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    aww...mikey. thats so sweet. i can see how when someone challenges your stupidity that you would want to delete their post so that you can remain the master of stupidity. but i applaude your one act of self-control. now apply that to your homosexuality and you might find out that you can beat it.

  • Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You just proved that you need to grow up and that you're a lousy Christian. I was tempted to delete your posting since it is so offensive, but its actually so stupid that I'd rather leave it up so everyone can see your true colors.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I think he is insulting children with special needs by using the term as a put down. Plain and simple.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mike

    "I don't understand how you can possibly say you advocate for their rights and then say someone is acting as a special needs child as put down."

    i think that's more of an insult to special needs kids.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, I don't understand how you can possibly say you advocate for their rights and then say someone is acting as a special needs child as put down! Again, you completely disgust me and show your true colors.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Fors, don't talk about me like you know my business,"

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Nice, I get deleted "

    Mine is gone too. Must have been CP since no one can delete a post without a trace except the person who posted it or CP.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    " I get deleted after DP insults children with learning disabilities"

    Interesting that you consider what I said to be an insult seeing as I work to fight for their rights in the public schools.

    I compared you to a special needs child. If that is insulting to special needs children you may want to reconsider your reply.

    As for who flagged Mike... unless it had nasty language in it...don't. If he said something towards me...I'm a big boy and can deal with it myself.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "Judge Refuses Anonymity to Prop. 8 Donors"

    It is also interesting how that one day when we stand before the bar of God everything will be disclosed. There will be no anonymity there either.

  • Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:18 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Fors, don't talk about me like you know my business, THAT is what makes me annoyed. I could care less that you call being gay a sin, but when you start talking about ridiculous things like pedophilia or quoting "studies" saying gays ALL have STDs or ALL had a horrible, traumatic childhood, which are completely untrue (I know from personal experience) my blood begins to boil.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike,
    What did you post? I didn't get a chance to read it.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Nice, I get deleted after DP insults children with learning disabilities...very "Christian" of whoever did it. Maybe someone with a guilty conscience?

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:03 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "how I have sex is not what makes me gay."

    homosexuality
    noun sexual desire or behavior directed toward a person or persons of one's own sex.


    "so you can't just shut it down with "it says what it says and that's final!" because that simply isn't true."

    I'm not saying I'm the one who will say "that's final"...it's God at judgement when He says "Dan posted Romans 1 to you over and over and you kept ignoring it or making some exuse. Times up."

    Romans 1 is clear. Homosexuality is wrong.

    Rom 1:26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature;
    Rom 1:27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving.

    "also the males having left the natural use of the female,"

    "natural" (5446) means "physical"
    "use" (5540) means "employment i.e. spec sexual intercourse"

    Don't mistake my posting it for it being an arguement with me. I didn't write it.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine,

    The truth.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel Paul: And what do prophet's arguments sound like?

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forsaltnlight: Who was talking about slavery? . . . but, since you brought it up, where is the scripture to back up what you are saying? The Bible is literally pretty favorable to slavery.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "I tell you to grow up with your arguments...you fire back that I am childish..hmmm"

    So that is taking something you said and saying it back to you as though I had thought it up?

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:18 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Look at all this anti-gay hatred and foolishness coming coming from the christians, gross. To top it off, posting such obviously slanted and bogus drivel masqueraded at "scientific studies" no less. Way to go Mike, never give in to any of these peoples hatred. Shame on you all. Reading this makes me even prouder than usual to be a gay atheist. I suppose in all your foolishness you think I'm going to your "hell", I wonder which "crime" is considered worst being gay and proud or being atheist and proud???? God only knows I suppose lol.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    One more thing...my being gay has NOTHING to do with something below the belt...how I have sex is not what makes me gay.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:04 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    DP, cute as your story is, there is a great deal of debate about this, so you can't just shut it down with "it says what it says and that's final!" because that simply isn't true.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "If you truly spoke the word of God, you wouldn't rely on hitting below the belt and would simply ignore me if I did."

    That wouldn't be loving now would it? People who care about you are not simply going to let you go to judgement ignorant now would we?

    Not only that but the entire issue of you being gay is an one which includes areas below the belt now isn't it?

    Still, having had 4 kids who went through the teenage years with me (as a single parent) I can tell you, Mike, that many of your arguements do sound much like a couple of my boys. Those arguements would ususally end when I said, "I'm Dad and that's what I said to do." They couldn't argue with that. Romans 1 is clear. You either obey or you chuck Romans 1 to the wind with some excuse as to why you won't do it. The choice is yours. Just don't expect us to OK ignoring the expectations of Grace.

  • Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I tell you to grow up with your arguments...you fire back that I am childish..hmmm

  • Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Really? Such as?

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