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Society|Wed, Feb. 04 2009 01:43 PM EST

First Same-Sex Married Couple Gets Divorced

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

A lesbian couple who was the first same-sex couple to marry in the United States has filed for divorce.

Hillary and Julie Goodridge, 52 and 51 respectively, who led the fight to legalize gay marriage in Massachusetts filed for divorce last week in Suffolk Probate and Family Court after announcing their separation in 2006.

The Goodridges were among seven gay couples who filed a lawsuit in 2001 challenging the state's gay marriage ban. The case led to a state Supreme Judicial Court ruling that made Massachusetts the first state to recognize same-sex marriage.

The lesbian couple wed on the first day same-sex marriage was legalized in the state, May 17, 2004.

Arline Isaacson, of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus, said that the Goodridges are a couple like any other.

"Gay folks love like straight folks. We get married like they do and unfortunately, we will be getting divorces like they do, and we really are no different," she said, according to TheBostonChannel.com.

Kris Mineau, president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, a Judeo-Christian-based public policy group that fought to repeal gay marriage, had another take on the divorce.

"Divorce is a very painful issue, but I also can't help but reflect on the pain this couple has caused on the commonwealth and the nation to redefine marriage. And now they're getting divorced? It doesn't make a lot of sense," Mineau told the Boston Herald.

"Obviously, they don't hold the institution in very high esteem."

The former couple shares custody of their 12-year-old daughter, Annie.

Meanwhile, a custody battle between a lesbian couple that called it quits over their Vermont civil union is becoming the latest example on how laws on same-sex unions in one state can affect families in other states.

After Lisa Miller split from her civil union with Janet Jenkins, her former partner sought full custody of Isabella, Miller's biological daughter.

Vermont courts have ruled that Jenkins has parental rights because she was joined in a civil union with the girl’s mother at the time she was impregnated through artificial insemination. Appellate courts in Virginia, where Isabella was born, directed Virginia to fully recognize the Vermont orders giving Jenkins, who resides in Vermont, liberal unsupervised visitation.

Miller left the homosexual lifestyle and became an evangelical Christian when Isabella was 17 months old. Her daughter is now six years old.

At a hearing in late January, a Vermont judge allowed Miller to retain custody, but ordered unsupervised visitation for four days in March, over the Memorial Day holiday and for five weeks in the summer.

Liberty Counsel, a Christian legal firm, which represents Miller, says Virginia courts ignored the state's Marriage Amendment and marriage laws, declaring all rights arising from same-sex relationships void and unenforceable, by upholding the Vermont ruling.

The Fla.-based legal group says it will continue to pursue legal action in Virginia for Miller and Isabella but stresses the need for the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which President Barack Obama wants to repeal.

The Defense of Marriage Act, enacted under the Clinton administration, defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman for purposes of all federal laws, and provides that states need not recognize same-sex marriages from another state.

"If Vermont can declare from the bench that a legal stranger is a mommy to another woman's child and then have it enforced in a state with one of the strongest marriage amendments in the nation, then, on the issues of marriage and family, our country will no longer be the United States of America but instead will be the United States according to Massachusetts, California, or Vermont," Liberty Counsel stated.

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  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mike22685, jester may have gotten you mixed up with ifeelfine who seems to believe if two men kiss that's an indicator they are homosexual even though in many nations that is a cultural practice with sexual implications whatsoever.

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Jester, I don't understand why you asked that. Two men kissing isn't what makes you gay. You are born gay (I believe, as do many.) If I never kissed a man, I would still be gay because of the attraction. What is your point in asking if they're gay because they kissed?

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    i just did. what is it that you can't understand? kissing? or gay?

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    ? Jester, please get at what you're trying to get at.

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    they kissed, so they must be gay lovers.

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:53 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    No, and why on earth are you asking me that?

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:59 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mike

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    can someon show me where i said that mike said Jesus and Judas were lovers?

    i ASKED you if you thought they were. i didn't SAY you said they were. just answer the question.

    was Jesus and Judas gay lovers?

  • Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Jester, I never said that they were. Check the person who said that please.

  • Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    mikey,
    im still waiting for your answer...was Jesus and Judas gay lovers?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    mikey,

    "Aww, I got flagged for nothing!"

    don't feel bad. so did i.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:08 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    You do not know my view of God as we haven't talked about that. Do not presume to know more than you actually do please.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:23 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Aww, I got flagged for nothing! DP, no, my love between my partner and I is not like an adult going after a child. It is the love my parents feel for each other. It is the love any straight couple feels for one another.

    Jehovah, the Bible spoke of sex acts without love. If anything, love in a committed relationship was never once mentioned between gay men or women.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:35 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    "we truly love each other"

    Is that like "I love pizza"? "I love my dog"? There are 3 different words in greek for love. Is it the Biblical word for the love which God is involved in?

    I love my partner needs a bit of qualification here. After all, the "child/love" people use the word love too you know.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, that's the accusation you made that got this whole discussion going and as of yet you have cited no Scripture that shows in any way, shape, or form that David and Jonathan were anything other than the best of friends, closer than brothers, who loved each other with a phileo if not agape type love. So it comes down to this old cliche, "put up or shut up!"?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:56 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    believer: You certainly are good at setting up strawmen and red herrings . . . who said anything about the most telling passages being about kissing?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:34 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, I looked up the word kiss in the Strong's Concordance and those were all the passages in I and II Samuel that were listed with exception of one, so here is that one, II Samuel 15:5, "And when a man came near to prostrate himself before him, he would put out his hand and take hold of him and kiss him.", which is speaking of Absalom. So please feel free to share those verses on David and Jonathan kissing each other that I missed?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:16 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    believer: You left out the most telling passages and cherry-picked the scripture. I guess I'm not surprised.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Since someone flagged my message as inappropriate to silence my argument, let me say things again.
    Jofoefel73 ad roll4him, thanks for your provoking questions and two nice folks responded quickly.
    steveh20 and mike whatever-number, let the Bible and facts answer you.
    Let me ask you as my response for your feverish answers to these honest people:
    1) Just when divorce happened to married couple? Did it happen to Adam and Eve? to Cain and his wife? to Abraham and Sarah? to David and his wives? Just tell me when.
    2) Just when divorce soared high that 50% of yours? You didn't even give the source of 50% info.
    3) And given that 50% is divorcing, does that make homosexual marriage right?
    By the way, Mike, you are accusing me that I'm sick finding passages against homosexuality whereas you are the one who researched the context of Romans to justify your "bigotry," as you said. Who is the one finding the passages to defend his convictions?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Mike,
    Now you are judging. Isn't that the way you reprimanded Prophet? Judging? Now you are judging and giving "feverish" words against me while you didn't even know. Now judge for yourself what you are doing.
    And Mike (I regret that your ID is the name of my very man brother), I don't expect you to change your attitude against the Bible, and thank God-I was right! You were really hardened by your convictions. I was right!
    And telling you many passages, you just bumped me on the OT Passages, and completely disregarded the arguments of Scripture from the NT. And I also read that you commented on Romans "gay" passage is about pagan practices; and what will, I ask you, a first time reader will think if he reads this passage? Will he think that it's about pagan practices? I bet not.
    And thanks for your wrong judging, because I didn't look for those passages, it was just handed to us by your American Christian forefathers. Actually, I'm just reviewing, seeing how you ignore such passages.
    And besides, I was just freed from confusion. I lived a very miserable life being what you uphold, and now I'm enjoying the freedom of being a true man. At first, I was really finding passages that would advocate my position, but oh I discovered, there's nothing, and all you can find about them are the judging (this is different to your 'judging') words of the God of the Bible.
    Well, I know, you wouldn't believe, so why waste the space? So that when time comes, and you are in God's front, you know what I'm talking about.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, plus remember what David was going through when he made the statement about his love for Jonathan being greater than his love for a woman. His best and closest friend had just been killed, a friend who had saved his life on several occasions. David was experiencing intense grief over the loss of his friend which led him to make a pretty profound statement about his love for his friend and you choose to make something sexual out of it!

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, David and Jonathan were related, they were brother-in-laws!

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, please omit the "not" before "about sex" in my last post to you.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, II Samuel 14:33, "So when Joab came to the king and told him, he called for Absalom. Thus he came to the king and prostrated himself on his face to the ground before the king, and the king kissed Absalom." II Samuel 19:39, "All the people croosed over the Jordan and the king crossed too. The king then kissed Barzillai and blessed him, and he returned to his place." Are you beginning to see a pattern here and these are the only times according to the Strong's Concordance that these men kissed. So going back to my earlier post, you need to get your mind out of the gutter and see that not everything in life and especially the Word of God is not about sex.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, I Samuel 20:41-42, "When the lad was gone, David rose from the south side and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed three times. And they kissed each other and wept together, but David wept the more. Jonathan said to David, "Go in safety, inasmuch as we have sworn to each other in the name of the Lord saying, "The Lord will be between me and you, and between my descendants and your descendants forever." Then he rose and departed, while Jonathan went into the city."

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, I Samuel 10;1, "Then Samuel took the flask of oil, poured it on his head(Saul), KISSED him and said, "Has not the Lord anointed you a ruler over His inheritance?"

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    My grandparents were missionaires to Japan in the 50's. Back then, contact between opposite sexes (such as hugging and such) was considered inappropriate. A man hugging a woman (and vice versa) was considered a "romantic" gesture. Even among Christian brothers and sisters. If a Christian man hugged a Christian woman in greeting, the non-Christian (and even some Christian) Japanese were offended that two unmarried people would act that way.
    But, as in David and Jonathon's case, it's a cultural thing. In Old Testament times, kissing among men was a greeting. And only someone who's mind is in the gutter would think that Jonathon and David kissed on the lips. They could have kissed on the cheek for all you know. So quit bringing up that tired, worn out, unsubstantiated garbage. It's pathetic.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    feelfine,

    "if your son came home and was kissing on a boy who was not related and acted the way David & Jonathon acted..."

    I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were there when David kissed Jonathon. My apologies.

    Again I ask, Jesus and Judas were gay lovers?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    BTW: Who is the coward that flagged me?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:48 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    believer: Those are horrible examples because of who they are - if your son came home and was kissing on a boy who was not related and acted the way David & Jonathon acted, I would bet you would have a problem with it.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine,

    So Jesus and Judas were homosexual lovers?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:56 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, having lived in Europe and Asia and having visited the Holy Land I would have no problem if my son kissed another man considering that is a part of their culture. As for his love for Jonathan being greater than his love for a woman, let me ask you this, is your love for God greater than your love for a woman? Is your love for your children greater than your love for a woman? Is your love for your Dad greater than your love for a woman? If you answered yes to any of those questions, what does that make you? You need to get your mind out of the gutter and realize everything in life and more importantly in the Bible is not about sex!

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:45 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    believer: So, if you caught your son and his best friend kissing, you would be okay with that? And if he expressed love for him greater than any love for a woman, you would be fine with that too? Whatever floats you I guess.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "so if Paul is not speaking to us in Romans "

    Wow! If that's the case then no one in America can go to heaven because there is no Epistle to the USA. I guess that means those who believe that Romans (and the rest of it) doesn't apply have no reason to post here!

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, so if Paul is not speaking to us in Romans does that mean there are some of us who have not sinned or that Christ did not die on the Cross for all of us?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:15 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Daniel wrote: "I deal with politicians and eat fast food. Does that qualify?"

    Sorry, both will hurt you just not right away, they both slowly deteriorate you. ;-)

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "handle snakes and drink poison"

    I deal with politicians and eat fast food. Does that qualify?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    " Do you have a lot of gay folks that attend your church? Wouldn't it have been better if your pastor had talked about obesity to make his point? "

    First, yes we do have gays who attend our church. Our church is a "seeker" church. We don't turn away anyone who is interested in learning about Jesus.

    Second, he does talk about obesity and many other issues. He speaks about abortion and divorce.

    He DOES preach that if those things are in your past there is freedom in Jesus. He does preach there are medical issues to consider as well. Still, you don't have to keep doing what is wrong. You can be free from them. The choice is...keep embracing your sin or embrace Jesus.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "do my research rather than shutting out the context in which is was written because it justifies my bigotry."

    Nope. You just shut out anything that doesn't justify your sin.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, I know you won't go down the road with Jonathan and David's relationship since your argument got totally blown out of the water since the Bible in no way, shape, or form gives even the illusion of any type of sexual intimacy between them. As far as Romans 1, I don't need to use that issue at all since God's original and only design for marriage and sexual intimacy shuts the door completely on the issue of same-sex marriage and the sexual practices of homosexual couples. Like I told feet if you and your church choose to condone same-sex marriage and the sexual practices of homosexuality that's your and your churches call, but just don't try to use the Bible to justify it and especially since the Bible clearly sees both as sin in the sight of God.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:03 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Believer: You're right in saying that many of the early abolitionists were Christians (very progressive Christians) but many were not - one of the early abolitionists in the US was Thomas Paine and he was an atheist. There were more prominent Christians of the time that sat across the table and were big proponants of slavery - they used the Bible to justify it.

    As for the literalness of the Bible, maybe the reason I have a hard time understanding what you mean is because you say one thing but act another way. For example: there is absolutely no nuance to your interpretation of Romans 1 - you've made it clear that the plain language of the text stands. On one level I could agree with you but clearly Paul is talking to a specific audiance and it isn't us.

    As for your other question, I'm not going down the David & Jonathon road again . . . I'm sure if you caught your son in the same situation as David and Jonathon you wouldn't be quite so quick to call it "brotherly love" but whatever - you're clearly not openminded to other ideas on this subject as your mind is made up.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:57 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, plus when are you going to get it through your head that none of us who adhere to the inerrancy of the Scriptures have ever said we're to take everything in the Bible literally, but that the Bible in its original autographs is literally the Word of God!

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, you have never shown us where the Bible paints same-sex relationships involving sexual intimacy in a positive light, plus you need to study history to see that Christians were the primary leaders in the abolition movement in America and Great Britain. So before you accuse others of being revisionists you need to do your homework and before you say the Bible says something you need to study it and present the Scripture that supports that view which you have yet to do with regard to same-sex marriage and the sexual practices of homosexuality being ordained by God.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:05 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    believer: I don't believe that we are actually called to handle snakes and drink poison - I don't take the Bible literally, remember? I'm pointing out a clear inconsistancy on your part. And while the rest of your choir won't admit to it (intellectual dishonesty, ignorance, their heads are buried in the sand - take your pick) its pretty obvious.

    I've pointed to scripture where same-sex committed relationships are shown in a positive light in the Bible, you just choose not to see the obviousness of them because your mind is made up.

    I've seen the movie - it was good - I just don't get my history lesson from a movie. There were more famous theologians and ministers from that time period and the consensus is that most of them were pro-slavery as the Bible ordained it. You're engaging in feel good revisionist history. Again, intellectually dishonest.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    Why do I need to come up with an argument? Why are you always looking for an argument? I don't need to do that. I just speak the truth.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, we're talking about your logic not mine, after all you are the one who believes the Bible instructs believers to handle snakes and drink poison, not me!

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    ifeelfine, who do you think were the strongest abolitionists in both our country and Great Britain, apparently you've never watched the movie, "Amazing Grace"?

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, please cite any Scripture that in anyway shows that God ordains same-sex marriage or sexual intimacy between homosexual couples?

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    ifeelfine, you have no desire to come to understand the true meanings of the scriptures you bring up to attack those of us who hold to the inerrancy of the Scriptures because when we explain to you or share what Bible scholars and apologists have to say you totally negate or discount what we say which affirms you have no desire to truly understand the passage that you throw in our faces.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:45 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    believer: You know next to nothing about me and yet you pretend that I don't care about what the scripture actually means?!?!?!? You have no idea. There is nothing Christ-like about what you said. It shows you're clearly not interested in anything but protecting your dogmatic views. What a shame.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:36 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    believer: I use the brain that God gave me as well and as with slavery 150 years ago, I see that the fundamentalist position on homosexuality is not consistant with God's love, not consistant with the facts and certainly isn't consistant with God's plan for us, it's pretty clear that you are as wrong as those "Bible believing Christians" were 150 years ago about slavery.

    . . . but for the record, the next time you bring up how the literal scripture should supercede our own logic, can I quote you from today?

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