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Society|Fri, Feb. 06 2009 02:48 PM EST

Obama Emphasizes 'One Law' that Binds All Religions

By Jennifer Riley|Christian Post Reporter

There is one law that all major religions share, President Barack Obama contended on Thursday. That is, to love thy neighbors.

  • Barack Obama
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    President Barack Obama is seen on video screens as he speaks at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, Thursday, Feb. 5, 2009.

Religion too often is a source of division and animosity, he said to thousands of attendees, including several world leaders and hundreds of members of Congress, at the annual National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. But the holy scriptures of the world’s major religions all teach the Golden Rule, he said.

"There is one law that binds all great religions together," Obama said, according to ABC News. "It is, of course, the Golden Rule - the call to love one another, to understand one another, to treat with dignity and respect those with whom we share a brief moment on this Earth."

"Instead of driving us apart, our varied beliefs can bring us together to feed the hungry and comfort the afflicted, to make peace where there is strife and rebuild what has broken, to lift up those who have fallen on hard times."

He acknowledged that people of different faiths can’t avoid having differences on some beliefs, on the text used, or teaching on the afterlife, but he stressed that "no matter what we choose to believe … there is no religion whose central tenet is hate."

The President spoke at the prayer breakfast just hours before officially establishing the new White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. The new office, he emphasized at the event, will work with organizations “no matter their religious or political beliefs” and adhere to a strict separation of church and state.

"This work is important because whether it's a secular group advising families facing foreclosure, or faith-based groups providing job-training to those who need work, few are closer to what's happening on our streets and in our neighborhoods than these organizations," Obama said.

"People trust them," he added. "Communities rely on them. And we will help them."

Obama spoke from personal experience, having been a community organizer in the South Side of Chicago after graduating from college. It was while he worked with churches as a community organizer that he found faith in Jesus Christ – a story he often told on the campaign trail last year.

Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, the keynote speaker at the prayer breakfast, also emphasized that religion should motivate people to unite in doing good rather than divide.

"For billions of people, faith motivates, galvanizes, compels and inspires," Blair said. "Not to exclude, but to embrace. Not to provoke conflict, but to try to do good."

"This is faith in action and you can see it in countless local communities," he continued. "Where those from churches, mosques, synagogues and temples tend the sick, care for the afflicted, work long hours in bad conditions to bring hope to the despairing and salvation to the lost."

Obama said he plans to reach out to religious leaders and scholars around the world to facilitate productive dialogues on faith.

“I don’t expect divisions to disappear overnight, nor do I believe that long-held views and conflicts will suddenly vanish," Obama said. "But I do believe that if we can talk to one another openly and honestly, then perhaps old rifts will start to mend and new partnerships will begin to emerge.”

The National Prayer Breakfast was founded in 1953 by Frank Carlson, a former U.S. representative, governor and senator from Kansas. The event draws thousands of guests, including high-profile religious and political leaders. Every U.S. president since Dwight D. Eisenhower has participated in the breakfast.

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  • Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Drunks and Whores (David Ben-Ariel YouTube video)
    Many professing Christians remain in denial that traditional Catholics and Protestants are spiritual drunks and whores (intoxicated by Catholic concoctions), drug addicts (under the heavy influence of Rome); traditional Christians and Catholics are spiritual practicing homosexuals, REPROBATES having a perverse spiritual preference for tradition over truth, for abominable baptized paganism, counterfeit Christian holidays they've accepted (following Constantine, not Jesus Christ), falling for accursed Rome's replacement theology that would replace the biblical Sabbath and holy days and dietary laws (we are commanded to keep) with their idolatrous traditions and unclean doctrines of demons...
    www.davidbenariel.org

  • Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    believer,

    no, Jehovahnissi is not me. I just happened to see the comment when I was searching for some thing. I'm spending all my time with my kids and wife (her back is better, but now she's got an infection of some sort in her feet), and blogging on http://wbmoore.wordpress.com

    I come by CP occasionally, but the arguments all seem to be the same. Sometimes the names change, but not even that occurs very often.

    I pray things are well with you believer.

    In Him,
    WBMoore

  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:45 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I said earlier "When asked how he reconciled free will and election, D.L.Moody is reported to have said, "I never try to reconcile friends."
    I mis-attributed that uote. It was Charles Spurgeon.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    So wrote: "I see delete there but it won't let me as of yet."

    Ahh, yes, it is very strange thing, but your arrow will not show up when you put your mouse over Delete, but it will still delete when clicking on it even when it only has the I over it. At least it does for me. :)

  • mike »
    Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    this is a little dangerous - one law to bind all religions.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ...God's wrath against sin. God does not want anyone to perish, but, He will not waste His call on someone whom He already knows will reject or scoff at His invitation. Man doesn't have to agree with or like how He operates. At this point in time those who scoff at those who follow Christ are not called and have no hope, and may never be, but they do have hope in this, God does know the future and what if any circumstances may turn them to accept His call. This is probably too involved for scoffers and as such no understanding of the answer for the second question is offered.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 7:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    God is a great and powerful God who does as He wills when He wills. He does not concern himself with whether man thinks it fair or not. It is His plan, His will and at His pleasure who lives or dies. Fortunately for man we have an attorney and advocate who willingly stood and stands between us and God’s wrath against sin. God does not want anyone to perish, but, He will not waste His “call” on someone whom He already knows will reject of scoff at His invitation. Man doesn’t have to like or agree with how He operates. At this point in time those who scoff at following Christ are not called and may never be, only God knows the future and if He will ever call them. This is probably too involved for scoffers to understand and as such no answer to the second question will be understood either.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    In Romans it should read; "one vessel for honor and another for dishonor..." my bad.

    To continue: In Romans 8:28 the ending of the verse states, "to those who are called according to His purpose." Where do these called one's come from? Next verse "...whom He foreknew..." continued with, "...He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son...whom He predestined, He also called." At this it is possible to think, "What choice do I have if through God's foreknowledge He predestines those He will call?" Look at OT history for a sec, what did God say of Pharaoh? Exodus 7 "...I will harden Pharaoh's heart..." Why did God do this? V.5, "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord." In the NT Romans restates this in chapter 9:17,18 adding, "Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens."

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    When asked how he reconciled free will and election, D.L.Moody is reported to have said, "I never try to reconcile friends."

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Welcome So, in order to copy and paste, it is helpful to copy and paste to a notepad/wordpad (or use a notepad), go through and replace the ' and copy and paste back into the CP message space. You should be successful that way.

    PS there is a delete over to the far left of your posted message, click to delete any of your messages not posted correctly.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Let me try this as copy and paste doesn't seem to work too well. Salvation can only occur if a person is "called" by God. In Mat. 4:18 Jesus begins calling His disciples, notice HE called them. In Mat. 20 Jesus tells the parable of the vineyard master who addresses the worker who complains that those hired last were receiving the same pay. What did the vineyard master say, "Is it not lawful for me to do with my own things as I wish?" At this you could say, hmm, so we are God's things? I offer this: Romans 9:21 "Does not the potter have power over the clay,from the same lump to make one vessel and another for dishonor?" But what of free will? From whose perspective does this free will come? Is there any choice any human could ever make that God would not be aware of beforehand?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 5:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    ch, that's the difference between pride and humility, please explain?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:27 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "That's the difference between religion and christianity."

    No, that's the difference between pride and humility. Christianity as a belief in a Divine Being with a taught creed of behavior is a religion.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer wrote: "forgiven, Hey!!! I resemble that remark!!!"

    Heehee.

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    JN, you're not the former wb.moore?

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:39 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    forgiven, Hey!!! I resemble that remark!!!

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wow, J, are you a preacher, you're quite long-winded. ;-)

  • Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jehovahnissi,

    Wow . . . that was quite a bit but it is the gospel truth! AMEN!

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    mtgburrel.

    You have your own "in crowd" nonsense, it's just a differing opinion. So what's your point?

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "There is a great difference between religion and christianity. Religion is man's way of earning God's approval or salvation and christianity is God's way to bring salvation to mankind."

    Another example of "in crowd" nonsense.....

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The Bible never describes heaven as far as what it will look like. But it does tell us what we will be like.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Question for you all. The folks that make it to heaven, presumably they were sinners on earth. I know plenty of Christians that I wouldn't trust to feed my gold fish. When these sinners get to heaven, will they have lobotomies and turned into robots so they no longer "sin"? "

    Ever heard of people who were now "free from cancer"? They are free to live their lives without the effects of cancer. To be honest, there is no frame of reference to explain what heaven will be like in this respect. The Bible does say we will be free from sin. That's enough for me.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:04 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    johnzon

    """Question for you all. The folks that make it to heaven, presumably they were sinners on earth. I know plenty of Christians that I wouldn't trust to feed my gold fish. When these sinners get to heaven, will they have lobotomies and turned into robots so they no longer "sin"? If they are not some how lobotomized, why would the "saved" behave in heaven any better than they did on Earth?"""

    If you """wouldn't trust to feed my gold fish"""! Maybe that is the problem, you don't truly know any Christians! God doesn't use lobotomies he uses Faith! """If they are not some how lobotomized, why would the "saved" behave in heaven any better than they did on Earth?""" My guess,,, Christian blogs won't be full of unbeliever's! That one slipped, sorry! You would have to understand a couple of things first. Like God and heaven, Online4Him, God Bless You! " It is written, For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind" (Isaiah 65:17)." Sin can't exist in a place where sin doesn't exist!

    """Another question, If heaven is a place of peace and joy, how would a person enjoy heaven if a loved one, say a child or parent, didn't make it to heaven and instead is being tortured for an eternity. How would one find peace knowing there loved one is being tortured for eternity? If I were in heaven, it would actually be mental torture knowing a loved one is getting tortured for an eternity because they weren't "saved". I suppose a lobotomy might take care of it."""

    Again, God did not take them from me as punishment to me, my love for them is not changed, I can not make them choose, I can teach them, I can share my faith with them, but I still cannot make their choices for them, that's the "personal one on one relationship with God", that is what gives the answer.


    johnzon
    "dis, the other site where you and I were posting about the students giving away Bibles to counter the atheist ads in London"

    I came to what I thought was a Christian site to read about current events and to share with other Christians, I apologize for my recent posts, they were not an attack on any one person. I just fell into the flow of conversation and returned my belief in what I hope was a civil manner. As the above statement clearly states and shows a constant disruption of what could be some great dialog is misdirected by a few who float from site to site to sow discord and bash Christians and Christianity. I once was lost and confused, I have lost friends and loved ones to death, will they be in heaven, I pray yes, if they are not, how will I know, heaven will be nothing I can describe. I believe in both heaven and hell, the fear of hell does make me try to be a better person, I pray that I go to heaven, but if I don't at least you and I can discus it more in person.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    pavilion, well said and I would add that it doesn't please God either since His desire is that none should perish, but that all would be saved. And at the same time we as believers need to get busy in sharing the Good News with as many as possible to be used of God in keeping the numbers of those going to a Christless eternity to a minimum.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    comment to the unbelievers..A true Christian wouldnt enjoy the thought of others spending eternity in hell. The Christian church has a rich heritage in reaching others with the gospel of Jesus Christ. And as for God. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. The bible says salvation has came to those choose to believe in Jesus and not be decieved.
    As for Obamas one binding religion.. bet he tosses Jesus out--He is the best example of being anti-christ. And I pray for God for help him to be a christian, regularly.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    john and dis-
    Not that I anticipate you changing your minds on anything, mind you-

    God had five choices in eternity past. To not create, to create a world where sin was impossible, to create a race that could not sin in a world where sin was possible, to create a race that could sin, but would not, or to create a race with free will. He chose the fifth option, in His grace. We have free will, to follow Him or to not.
    Frankly, if you do not want to follow Him for three score years and ten on Earth, I have no idea why you would want to be with Him for eternity future. That would seem worse than being separated from Him for eternity, which is the fate of the unbeliever.

    In the new Heaven, there will be no sin. I admit, I can't explain how that is to be, without loss of free will. I can only point to the angels, one-third of whom made their final choice and followed Satan, and two-thirds of whom followed God. They can not now change their minds; their decision is sealed. Apparently, that is how it will be for believers after the Millennium. As I said, I can't explain it, but then, I'm not God. I believe His word as I have seen countless examples of His faithfulness.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon,

    It is written, For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind (Isaiah 65:17).

    All things will be restored and the former things will vanish away, including our old memory.

    Oh, I am still waiting on an answer to my last post . . .

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I do not like to think of the possibility that I will not be in heaven with some of my loved ones. All I can say is that I have no control over what they choose."

    The idea that some of my loved ones won't be in heaven doesn't thrill me either. However, there will be no sadness in heaven so my guess is it will all make sense to us once we are there.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon, sorry, I missed your heaven question. I am going to perfectly honest with you that I have asked myself sort of the same question before. I do not like to think of the possibility that I will not be in heaven with some of my loved ones. All I can say is that I have no control over what they choose. My desire to be in heaven is not dependent on others no matter how much I love them, it only means that I love them enough to share my faith with them. My love for God is all I can give them.

    Labotomy? Humm, I've never quite looked at our transformation from humanity to spiritual like that. I have always looked at it as a freeing of the human cares and worries. A completion of laboring here on earth. An eternal day of all things at restful peace. I don't think that answered your question, but it is what I look forward to.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:09 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon, I am certainly not that extreme. I truly do not want a religion imposed on anyone, I would much rather folks freely choose to have a personal relationship with Christ. Just because someone chooses not to have a personal relationship with Christ, does not mean I cannot live with them and even love them. I have many friends in various religions and it is very nice to be able to discuss God and if God so chooses to use us to deepen an understanding, Amen.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Dis, I really do see hear where you're coming from and it is hard for me to find something to say that will persuade you otherwise. Just being honest. Everyone has the choice to have faith in God or not.

    I'm not so sure God designed His plan to fail. He simply gave us the ablity to choose Him freely, to love and respect Him for being the Father because we want to. What father wants his children to love and respect him because they have to? A father hopes that his child will grow up to recognize he loved them and only required of them to do out of respect as asked in return so that they grow correctly.

    I agree God gave us the abilty to question Him, so that we could choose Him freely and understand His ways for our lives with reason and logic. When we understand why God has asked us to do certain things or live a certain way, it becomes logical. God is not illogical, but logical.

    I think it was believer that suggested you read the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel, give it a try, what do you have to lose? He also wrote the Case for Faith.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    johnzon, yes he would know that and that's why He had a plan in place for all eternity to allow us to repent of our sin and turn to Him by putting our complete faith/trust in the person and finished work of His Son, Jesus Christ alone.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:17 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    DelightntheLord, honestly I dont see you providing answers to the questions I posed below.

  • Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:06 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    No you didn't 'run' anyone off....we just get tired of answering the scoffers and the skeptics who really don't want an answer but prefer instead to be agitated over the answers you don't like. Good nite...sleep well.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Disbeliever, We might have run the others off from this page, when difficult questions as these are posed, usually ends the thread.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Disbeliever
    <<a book written by humans doesn't cut it as proof>>
    EXACTLY

    To me it always seemed a bit ridiculous, the notion of getting tortured for eternity for not believing something. The communists did something like that, to get the thinking right, you were sent to a re-education camp. Wasn't so bad though, it wasn't for an eternity.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    oh I see what you mean Believer, sorry, I lost the link to that old article we were chatting on, it doesn't show up anymore from the home page. So we can continue our conversation here.

    Johnzon, you and I do think alike, we both probably like to use a little something called "logic". It makes no sense what so ever for God to torture people simply because they don't believe in him due to the lack of solid evidence. Again a book written by humans doesn't cut it as proof. God was clearly designed to use immoral punishments because his designers had immoral tendencies themselves, they were called humans.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Disbeliever, You and I think very much alike, I raise the same questions as you do and have the same problems with the absurdity of the notion that a god would allow so many to get tortured for eternity. If the creator of all things wanted creatures that behaved in a "sinless" manner then I would think the creator would have designed programmable robots instead. It is unreasonable to think that creatures with the ability to think and act are always going behave in the "proper" way and be "sinless". Wouldn't an all-knowing God already know that free thinking beings were not going to act "perfectly" during the design stage? As flawed as most humans are, th design should have been scrapped long ago. Another questions that I never get an answer to is this: The so-called saved ones that get to heaven that sinned on earth, what would cause them to exist "sin-free" in heaven unless they are somehow transformed, say through a lobotomy and made into what would amount to are robots? Would heaven be a theocracy? What if you broke the rules in the Theocracy of Heaven, sent to eternal torture?

    These basic questions for which I get no good answers is a big reason why Christianity to me does not add up.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    dis, the other site where you and I were posting about the students giving away Bibles to counter the atheist ads in London.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner, Which form of Christianity would you want imposed in America? Catholic, Protestant, which denomination/interpretation? Should we have religious wars to decide as they did in Europe, they actually didn't decide, just a lot of people got killed. What about non-Christians, what do we do with them? Concentration camps perhaps? Should Christians do to non-believers that they did to the Jews during the Holocaust?

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgiven,

    "Sounds more like our founding fathers wanted to keep government out of religion."


    Actually, you are quite correct. That was their intention.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    To Forgivensinner, DelightntheLord, walkinwithjesuschrist, myfaith:

    Question for you all. The folks that make it to heaven, presumably they were sinners on earth. I know plenty of Christians that I wouldn't trust to feed my gold fish. When these sinners get to heaven, will they have lobotomies and turned into robots so they no longer "sin"? If they are not some how lobotomized, why would the "saved" behave in heaven any better than they did on Earth?

    Another question, If heaven is a place of peace and joy, how would a person enjoy heaven if a loved one, say a child or parent, didn't make it to heaven and instead is being tortured for an eternity. How would one find peace knowing there loved one is being tortured for eternity? If I were in heaven, it would actually be mental torture knowing a loved one is getting tortured for an eternity because they weren't "saved". I suppose a lobotomy might take care of it.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Let's see....Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

    Sounds more like our founding fathers wanted to keep government out of religion.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    dis, are you coming back to the christian students counter site?
    ********************
    not sure what you mean by the christian students counter site believer.

    I would be celebrating with friends of mine, the rest are not friends and won't share in the celebration by their own choice.
    ********************
    Yes and I agree, but the second you torture or allow the torture of one of those friends of yours who declined your invitation you become immoral simple as that. On earth you would be arrested and punished for your immoral act of torture.

    God does not send anyone "the eternal torture chamber" they do that to themselves!
    *********************
    God designed the earth, universe, heaven and hell, did he not? God could make some simple change in his design to prevent the large majority of souls from ending up in hell, but alas he does not. I say you are worshiping an immoral God for this very reason. One command from God and he could destroy the devil, but nope, God must think its more fun to have him around.

    You don't seem to have a problem with your boss issuing you an ultimatum to get it right, but only when God says you choose; My way (His system) or your way (thinking His system needs fixing).
    ************************
    That's because any system that has a 70% failure rate be it a car or God's plan needs fixing and was improperly designed to begin with. If God designed humans to have free will and be of a questioning nature then he must have known that a large majority would question him and rightly so. If God was a moral and just God he would figure out ways of getting nearly everyone to heaven.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Disbeliever You hit it right on. The absurd notion of a god that would impose eternal torture on those lowly human creatures that don't "believe" pretty much sums it up. Christianity was invented by man for man- to provide solace for the believers and punishment for the "wicked". The thought of the "wicked" getting tortured for an eternity I suspect brings solace to many Christians.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:58 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    myfaith,

    So you want religion in goverment? What dogmatic theocractic dictates should we all abide by? Catholic dogma? Protestant dogma? Oh my there are so many protestant denominations to choose from. Which Protestant denominational dogma should we choose from? Its going to be tough to decide. Perhaps we should repeat what the Catholics and Protestants did in 17th century Europe (Thirty Years Wars), have a series of wars to decide once and for all, which interpretation of Christianity should become the law of the land. Who would fight the war? Well since you want it to be a Christian country, you really wouldn't want undesirables such as Muslims, Hindus, Jews, atheists, agnostics hanging around in the Christian Republic of the United States of Amerika. I say conscript the aforementioned to fight the battles. Divide them up between Catholic forces and Protestant forces and let them fight to the death. The winner would then get to decide how the theocracy (dictatorship) would be shaped. With a bit of luck, the war would go for quite a long time to insure the aforementioned undesirables are mostly killed off. Of course there would still be wars because there is never going to be total agreement on how the theocracy should be structured due to the fact that not everyone can agree on the right theology, hence a theocracy can only be maintained by threat and force.
    May I suggest Pat Robertson as the Supreme Leader of the Christian Republik of Amerika, he would make a fine dictator. He once said that if he were president, there would be no non-Christians in his administration. He would be a great and powerful crusader against the evil non-believers and have them vanquished form the land may God be willing.


    Fortunately, the founding fathers knew a bit about history and the religious wars of Europe and structured the constitution to keep religion out of government.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Good Evening, now, Dis. You can accept that God has a right to ask for something in return, but you can't accept what He has asked from us in return?

    If God has given us the what, aren't we now responsible to accept the what and if we do not, aren't we now responsible for the consequences?


    You don't seem to have a problem with your boss issuing you an ultimatum to get it right, but only when God says you choose; My way (His system) or your way (thinking His system needs fixing).

    Would you rather God design you to choose to do things His way or have God make you do things His way?

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    How can you not (or better yet why would you not have) have a government based on Christian laws and principles? How can you have a government that would not persecute Christian's? That's just a couple of reasons why it is important "NOT" to keep religion out of government"! I think we are getting a glimpse of "religion out of government" now and it don't look that good to me, what you think?

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    From a earlier post, "it is important to keep religion out of government" I believe that is why we are in the mess we are in today. Christians, especially those who stand in the pulpit need to know what is God's word and what is not, it (the Word) then needs to be taught and backed by scripture to the pewers (who should have a Bible with them), who in turn need to know the scriptures so that they know the one in the pulpit is a man of God and not a false teacher. We can look back at history and see the atrocities caused by those in leadership positions that were not men of Christian faith.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sorry in my last post it should read "God tells of heaven and hell".

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Struggling to succeed in the Nashville music scene, talented singer/songwriter Parker James finds the competition fierce even deadly. A young woman's murder, industry corruption, a

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