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Church|Sun, Feb. 08 2009 11:45 AM EST

Coral Ridge Pastor Decision Rides on Church Merger Talks

By Eric Young|Christian Post Reporter

Merger talks between representatives of the Florida megachurch founded by the late D. James Kennedy and the church of its prospective new pastor, Tullian Tchividjian, are still underway after nearly month.

The two sides have been spending long hours working out the details of the proposed merger of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale and Tchividjian’s New City Church in Margate.

And according to Tchividjian, the structural and governance issues they are continuing to work through are the most critical.

“We’ve concluded that a real indicator on whether or not God wants us to move forward is dependent on how these things are worked through and worked out,” said Tchividjian, New City’s senior pastor and grandson of famed evangelist Billy Graham.

“I don’t think I’ve prayed so hard and so desperately as I am now,” he added.

The idea behind the merger came about after Tchividjian, 36, was tapped by Coral Ridge’s Pulpit Nominating Committee (PNC) last month to be the church’s new senior minister. The PNC had been combing for a pastoral candidate to recommend to the Coral Ridge congregation since the retirement of its founding pastor, the Rev. D. James Kennedy, in August 2007 and his death less than two weeks later.

The committee eventually narrowed down the list to 15 in May 2008 before finally settling on Tchividjian last month. But, as it turned out, Tchividjian said he would only join Coral Ridge if the rest of his church did as well.

“Only if agreeable terms on all of these fronts can be reached and those terms approved by both church sessions would Tullian formally accept the call and the two become one,” New City officially announced last month.

“Legal matters, financial matters, ministerial matters, structural matters, and philosophical matters, will be among the list of things needing to be discussed and hammered out,” noted the congregation of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC). Coral Ridge is affiliated with the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA).

On Friday, Tchividjian updated New City on the progress of the discussions, expressing optimism as well as a sense of urgency.

“We are discussing in detail everything that needs to be discussed: the good, the bad, and the ugly,” he reported in his church’s blog. “And, I’m super encouraged by the fact that we are speaking about these things openly and honestly.”

Still, Tchividjian added, “[t]here is much to do ... so please continue praying for God’s clear direction and fierce protection.”

“It is your prayers that God is using to sustain us during this time,” he told his congregation.

If agreeable terms can be reached and approved by the sessions of both churches, Tchividjian will accept the PNC’s invitation and will preach at Coral Ridge.

After the sermon, the congregation will vote on whether to officially issue the call to Tchividjian to become the senior minister of the church. If the vote is unanimous or nearly so, the results shall be brought to the South Florida Presbytery, where the candidate will be examined for his views in all areas of ministry.

Once approved, Tchividjian will be installed at a special Service of Installation as Coral Ridge’s new senior minister – its second in five decades.

Tchividjian has made it clear, however, that the current efforts are “not simply a formality to ‘close a deal’ that’s already been made.”

“All of us are willing to walk away at a moment’s notice if God says ‘stop!’” he stated.

Though Tchividjian was given 30 days to consider the invitation, he said Friday that more time was needed to sort through things. Wednesday, Feb. 18, will mark 30 days since the PNC announced their recommendation to Coral Ridge’s congregation.

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  • Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Our thoughts and prayers are with you, pastor Tullian.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:06 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Gee, Star, sorry you didn't like the booklet. There is also an excellent book on the subject by Dr. John Murray, formerly a professor at Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia. Using terms like "infantile baptism" and calling Schaeffer's arguments "hooey" don't speak of much Christian charity on your part.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:44 pm Agree: 4   Disagree: 2

    >>>red herring arguments <<<

    It is not a red herring argument. Please note that there is at least one Catholic that has posted on this thread and he needs to hear that infantile baptism does not confer salvation of to his/her infant(s). So while not applicable necessarily to the protestants who believe in infantile baptism it is applicable to the Catholics and those like minded.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    >>> Dr. Francis Schaeffer wrote an excellent booklet on the subject, simply titled, "Baptism." <<<

    Yea, I read it and it is a bunch of hooey!

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The baptism of children (infants) of believers is seen by some of us as a sign and seal of the promises of God, equivalent to the circumcision of children of the covenant in the Old Testatment. No Presbyterian argues baptism is necessary for salvation, so stop the red herring arguments on this, please. Dr. Francis Schaeffer wrote an excellent booklet on the subject, simply titled, "Baptism."

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Austin Olive

    Why do you believe you should baptize your children/infants?

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:13 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Re: infantile salvation and baptizism

    Part 1

    Nowhere in scripture will you find a person being baptized that has not first decided to repent and obey God.

    An infant or a child who does not know the difference between right and wrong cannot make such a decision. No adult can make that decision for them either. Baptism will not save the infant because it is merely an act of obedience to God after one believes and receives Jesus.

    John 1:12-13

    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    It is clear from these verses that to become a child of God one must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. A person does not and can not become a child of God because he was born into a Christian family (born of blood), or that he decided apart from God that it would be a good thing (will of the flesh) or that someone else, like his parents, decided for him (will of man).

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:13 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Part 2

    When the mother/parents brought their children to Jesus all He did was bless the children (Mark 10:16). His teaching was that if we as adults or older children do not humble ourselves as a little child then we cannot be saved.

    Little children are trusting and they believe what you say without questioning you. For example, if you have a child on a table and you tell him to jump and you will catch him, then he will believe you and jump because he trusts you. That is how we are to be with what the Lord says. If the Lord says something, we don't question it, we act on it because we believe Him in what He says and we trust Him to keep His Word.

    Jesus never implied that a young child could be saved without God moving on him for salvation. If He did, then that would have violated His other teachings.

    Scripture indicated that if an infant or a young child who does not know the difference between right and wrong dies then he is protected from God's judgment and they go to Heaven. King David's baby that he had from an adulterous affair that died is an example of an infant that went to Heaven(1 Sam 12:23).

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Part 3

    But when the child is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong then he is old enough to know that God is real, that he is a sinner in need of a Savior, and that Savior is Jesus Christ. He is old enough to make a decision for Jesus by accepting what Jesus did for him, that Jesus died on the cross to pay for his sins so he could be forgiven and have eternal life.

    As with an older child or an adult so is with a younger child who knows the difference between right and wrong, a sinner's salvation experience is not legitamite unless God the Father draws the sinner to Jesus. A person can becomes a child of God when he is drawn to Jesus by the will of God (John 6:44). When God draws a person to Jesus He is going to convict that person's heart that he is a sinner, in need of a Savior, and that Savior is Jesus Christ. If that person chooses to receive Jesus as his savior and calls upon Him with his mouth in prayer for salvation then he will be saved.

    Romans 10:9-10,13

    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness: and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Once a person believes from his heart and calls on the name of the Lord for salvation then the person is to be baptized. Baptizism is an act that God wants us to do and we do it as an act of obedience. Obeying God in what He wants you to do produces a clear conscious before God. Disobedience does not.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:11 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Part 4

    In regard to the Philipian jailor and his household being saved (Acts 16:30-34): The entire household was not saved because the father was saved, they were all saved because they all believe the gospel that Paul and Silas preached unto them (Acts 16:32). After they all believed then they were all baptized (Acts 16:33).

    Scripture is very plain that each individual must make his/her own decision to receive Jesus as Savior and Lord after the Lord convicts their heart. The teachings of scripture in one area cannot contradict the teaching in another area. So with Lydia's household, they all believed after they heard the gospel much like the Philipian jailor's household did. They didn't all get saved because Lydia got saved.

    Baptizing an infant will not impart salvation to that infant. If that child should die before he is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong then he will go to Heaven (1 Sam 12:23).

    Infantile baptizism also will not purge or remove original sin from a child's life. We are all born into sin. We all have a sin nature that we must deal with until the day we die. Baptizism does not remove our sin nature from us.

    When we become born again by the Spirit of God through the regeneration of the Holy Ghost (Titus 3:5) we are given a new nature created after God's nature in righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24). We can decide to live in obedience to our new nature which results in righteousness unto holiness, or we can choose to obey our sin nature which results in death (Romans 6:16,19).

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    FG wrote: "For the promise is to you and to your children"

    The verse says "children" not infants. The promise is for every one (individual) for all time that hears the Word of God and accepts it freely.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    Here we go again...we should be talking about praying for our brothers and sisters in Christ, and instead we're arguing about whether infants can be baptized:

    The Word of God teaches one must hear the Gospel of our salvation, acknowledge we are a sinner in need of Savior, repent of those sins, be baptized for the forgiveness of those sins

    Actually, here's what Scripture and the earliest Christians say about infant baptism:
    Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children" (Acts 2:38–39)

    Titus 3:5 says He saved us by the bath of rebirth

    1 Peter 3:21 says baptism now saves you.

    Whole households (including infants) were baptized (Acts 16:33; 1 Cor. 1:16)

    The Church received from the apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants. The apostles, to whom were committed the secrets of the divine sacraments, knew there are in everyone innate strains of [original] sin, which must be washed away through water and the Spirit" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

    And there are many more examples in the writings of the earliest Christians that they, too, baptized infants.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:49 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Star 2, could you please explain why you refer to the baptism of Covenant children as "infantile baptism"? At 1st glance that seems like it's a slam on Christians (such as myself) who believe that we ought to baptize our children.

    And Valkyrie, I would appreciate it if you could elaborate on your comments that seem to make a dichotomy between "conservative Presbyterians" & "mainstream evangelicals." As a solidly Reformed, evangelical Presbyterian I find that distinction odd. I would think that Reformed folk such as Calvin, Edwards, Whitefield, Spurgeon, Machen, Sproul, Mohler, Piper, Driscoll, etc. would by definition all be thought of as "evangelicals."

    Let's all keep our brothers at Coral Ridge & New City in our prayers. The #1 thing is that they follow where the Lord is leading so that they can expand the Kingdom & spread the Good News in Florida & around the world.

    Shalom, y'all.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:17 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    Valkyrie wrote: "Why would infant baptism be a deal breaker?!!"

    The Word of God teaches one must hear the Gospel of our salvation, acknowledge we are a sinner in need of Savior, repent of those sins, be baptized for the forgiveness of those sins in the name of Jesus Christ and be sealed in the gift of the Holy until the day of remdeption.

    Infants are not aware or able to do any of the above.

  • Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Why would infant baptism be a deal breaker?!! D. James Kennedy's church is Presbyterian and they've always baptized infants. Many don't realize this as Kennedy was embraced by mainstream evangelicals far more than most conservative Presbyterian churches are. A lot of evangelicals are completely ignorant of Presbyterian doctrine, including infant baptism. Their view is unlike the Lutherans and Catholics, however. Important distinction.

  • Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yes,Stop-the-Madness, Tchividjian's Church, New City Presbyterian Church believes in and practices infantile baptism.

    Go to

    http://www.newcitypres.com/inside.php?str_string=Worship~Baptism~none

    and click on the blue color 'here' in the sentence at the top of the page that reads "To learn more about New city's view on Baptism click here" to read about their views on infantile baptism.

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