Updated 04:40 pm.EST, Sat November 21, 2009

Education|Tue, Feb. 17 2009 08:59 AM EST

Creationist Conference on Refuting Darwin Draws 4,500

By Elena Garcia|Christian Post Reporter

A conference hosted by a creationist ministry to help Christians defend their faith against evolution drew over 4,500 people during its opening evening on Sunday.

Ken Ham, founder and president of Answers in Genesis, which hosted the three-day "Answers for Darwin" conference, told the crowd in the opening session that America is becoming less of a Christian nation everyday and that it is due in part to the influence of Darwinism.

He cited statistics by research firm The Barna Group, showing that at least 60 percent of students raised in church-going homes who attend public schools will walk away from church.

Referring to the culture war, Ham said there are increasing pervasive attacks in America, including abortion and the removal of the Bible, prayer and creation from public schools.

"What is wrong?" he asked the audience at Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Va. "I suggest to you the foundation is being taken out of this nation that was once here and we see the structure collapsing."

Ham compared Christianity to a building, which without a foundation would collapse. For Christianity, that foundation is the authority of the Bible, he contended.

But the evolutionary theory proposed by Charles Darwin has helped to undermine biblical authority by challenging the account of creation in Genesis, according to Ham, who believes in the literal interpretation of the six-day creation story in Genesis.

"When you take out Genesis 1-11, it's like taking out the foundation to a building and you would expect it to collapse," he explained.

Ham noted the widespread negative influence of Darwinism.

Darwinism has been used to support racism and by Hitler to justify his actions, Ham claimed.

In Finland, the theory was cited by a student who shot a number of students and said it was a way of putting back to play natural selection and survival of the fittest.

Ham said that if children are taught about natural selection and natural processes, they are being taught in effect that they are just an animal.

"Is that ethically relevant?" he asked rhetorically.

The Young Earth Creationist urged the participants at the free event to not lose biblical authority, starting with what they teach their kids at home.

Many people in their homes have "imposed Christianity from the top-down on our kids but most of them go to schools where they give them a foundation to rebuild the structure," he explained.

He said it was important that Christians raise their children to be able to give answers to a secular world and speak with authority.

Following Ham's address, the crowd also listened to talks by Dr. Andrew Snelling, a scientist with Answers in Genesis who holds a Ph.D. in geology, and Liberty University professor Dr. David DeWitt, who holds a Ph.D. in neuroscience.

The "Answers for Darwin" conference, which runs until Wednesday, is being held in response to the 200th anniversary of Darwin's birth and the 150th anniversary of his fundamental work The Origin of Species. Answers in Genesis hosted a similar conference in California earlier this month.

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  • Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    There's your sticking point, thinking that evolution is somehow not in line with God as Creator. Your interpretation of Genesis is wrong. It is a story, not a history. That doesn't remove it's Truth, that God created all. The literal approach to Scripture often leads to wrongheaded belief because it's intellectually and theologically deficient.

  • Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Have today's Christians been so brainwashed by the "education of evolution" that they no longer believe in God as our Creator? Why do people call themselves Christians when they don't believe God's Holy Word? Maybe we need to look into our hearts for the answers to these questions. How can God raise the dead when the body no longer lives? Where did your soul, your conscience and your life come from if God doesn't exist? You either believe God's Word as a Christian or you do not believe because you have never known God in your heart as a believer to begin with. Why are children not being taught about our Creator in Church?

    Ecclesiastes 12:1
    Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;

    Isaiah 40:28
    Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

    Romans 1:18-25
    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

  • Thu May 07, 2009 3:58 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    People in the western world are becoming less religious , in the conventional sense ; not just in America and the reality of Evolution has no bearing on it whatsoever. The cause is likely very complex , but at the top of the list has to be ....enlightenment.

  • Tue May 05, 2009 3:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 6

    Vastet said "Evolution is a fact."

    oohhhh riiiight that's why it's called Darwin's THEORY of evolution.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:04 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 4

    Ken Ham wonders what is happening? Maybe its got something to do with the fact that 90% of the words that come out of his mouth are lies, and that people recognize that, and therefore are less willing to listen the next time around. Seriously, people like Ken, Ray Comfort, etc. are helping atheism spread. Arguing against reality gets you nowhere. Evolution is a fact. But please, keep denying it. You're pushing more people out of Christianity every day by doing so. I just hope the other major and minor religions have self destructors that are as capable as these are.

  • Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    sorry so late to comment on this story. It is interesting to me that Ken Ham's statements about Genesis serving as the foundation without which the church is collapsing are illustrative of his lost focus (as is the name of his foundation AIG). I would contend that a true Christian church should be able to function and thrive with no knowledge or experience with the OT at all. I believe that if more focus were given to the gospel of Christ and his teachings rather than trying to live in death of the OT their would be much less conflict over these technical questions and more focus on fulfilling the commission of Christ.

  • Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:35 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    farout63

    That is a good question with a very east answer.
    reproduction with separate sexes is strongly selected for under most evolutionary circumstances (there are cases where other arrangements like parthogenesis or the ability to facultatively change sex are more advantageous, and these and other setups are found in many species). It is incredibly advantageous genetically to have the genes of one's offspring be a combination of more than one parent's. This reduces hugely the expression of harmful alleles, and allows problem genes to be bred out of offspring, or new more successful genes to flow into a given line through mating.

    Note: that it is useful genetically works fine under any conception of how God's creation came about. The degree to which it is so useful is why it would be so strongly selected for under evolutionary pressures, and show up independently in so many branches of life (pollen using plants for instance, usually have different sexes or individual flowers with "gendered" parts). This response is not to "prove" one view of creation, but to merely explan why God may have chosen to bring it into his creation, by 6 day creation or creation by evolution, whichever method he used. It fits (functionally) very logically into either.

  • Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:32 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    farout: "I just see to many flaws in how male and female evolved at the same time, yet so very different and so perfect for reproduction."

    Farout, just so I know where you are coming from, have you been watching Ray Comfort's videos?

  • Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:44 am Agree: 5   Disagree: 7

    I just do not have enough faith to believe in Darwinism. I just see to many flaws in how male and female evolved at the same time, yet so very different and so perfect for reproduction. I could list even more things I cannot believe but can some who believes Darwinism just answer that one?

    The Bible answers my question real well, I will trust Scripture always.


    farout63

  • Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:40 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I agree believer. That book I recommended is really worth a read. As someone with a lot of years of evangelism with youth and with atheists, I think this is a "must read" for anyone serious about reaching people and helping keep our church effective at doing so without any watering down. I wrote down the books you mentioned to take a look at them.

    On the relevance/genuineness note, I really agree. One of the more disturbing things in unchristian is the survey data on the percentage of young people who are not Christian or are totally unconnected to the church that in the past really gave it a serious look. There are actually very few (% population) people out there with no personal and participatory experience with Christianity and the church. This means we are desperately failing to effectively offer the Gospel to these people in ways they find relevant and genuine. They just don't see the sense in sticking around, and often see us as more of a cultural group (sadly true often) than a body of believers (imperfectly) following the God of the universe and pursuing his kingdom.

  • Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    bobtx, I've read some reviews but not the book, but I've read Rainer's "Simple Church" and Andy Stanley's "Creating Community" and "7 Practices Of Effective Ministry" which all talk to this issue as well. But what I find most young people want in not only relevance but genuineness, Christians who really believe and live out what they preach and teach.

  • Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:05 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Would anyone like to estimate what percentage of this audience was comprised of "Young Earth" Creationists as opposed to "Old Earth" Creationists? And do you think there were any supporters of "Theistic Evolution" there?

  • Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:05 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    Redryder,
    Hitler clearly simply tried to use anything he could to enhance his power or justify his actions. He very incorrectly used both Christianity and various scientific ideas to justify his actions. The use of neither has any bearing on their actual validity.

  • Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:03 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    believer, have you by any chance read "unchristian?" It is a fascinating read in which a Christian researcher and many different Christian leaders look very rigorously and methodically at why the upcoming generation is turning away from the church. It has no bearing on the specific science-related issues we have been discussing, but does very strongly relate to the overall discussion.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:11 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    Bobxxxxx - I can't believe people still think Hitler was a christian or represented views consistent with orthodox Christianity. There is a reason why Hitler gave both Stalin and Mussolini a copy of Nietzsche and not the Bible. Hitler's core philosophy and motivation are completely consistent with the outworkings of Nietzsche, which denies even the existence of God. Cite: The Madman in his work, The Gay Science. On the other hand, the crusades and other heinous actions perpetrated by some claiming to be christian are completely contrary to the core ideas of Christ. If you still deny this, contrast the last words of Eichmann, a committed Nazi, with those of Bonhoeffer, a committed christian put in the camps for his faith and denouncement of Hitler. I didn't add those words hoping you may actually do some research yourself instead of relying on slogans and misinformation. Your history and context is blatantly wrong.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:44 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 4

    "Hitler murdered Jews because he wanted to please his Lord. Everyone knows that."

    Bob, What "Lord" would that be? You can't be alluding to the God of the Bible with that ridiculous statement.

    Nobody "knows" such a thing, in fact this is the first I've heard that theory. Hitler did not recognize a 'higher authority' over himself.

    "Does Ken Ham think people are plants? ' No, but Darwin teaches we are animals, so if you believe Darwin, you ascribe to being an animal. God teaches we are special creation, above the animals and animals are under man's dominion.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:33 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    jdp, that's exactly what the research shows people are leaving churches and people are not coming to church because of Ken Ham, NOT! And in fact the churches that are growing are those churches who adhere to the inerrancy of the Scriptures to include the Genesis Account of Creation.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    jdpmacav wrote, "I think that any attempts by christian people like Ken Ham to dispute a rigorously tested scientific theory just dig Christianity into a deeper hole. People like Ken Ham are the reason that church attendance is declining as well as the overall view of Christians by non Christians. People are faced with the choice of science or religion, which is a choice that shouldn't have to be made."
    Ken Ham is hardly the reason for declining church attendance, at least not according to God's Word, but thanks for thinking so highly of Ken.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:10 pm Agree: 6   Disagree: 5

    "In Finland, the theory was cited by a student who shot a number of students and said it was a way of putting back to play natural selection and survival of the fittest."

    Which just goes to show that this chap knew nothing about eveolution by natural selection or in biological terms what "fittest" means (it does not mean strongest etc..). The good news (?) is that if Ken and others have their way events like this might happen more because there will be even more people ignorant on this subject as said gentleman was.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:46 pm Agree: 9   Disagree: 5

    I think that any attempts by christian people like Ken Ham to dispute a rigorously tested scientific theory just dig Christianity into a deeper hole. People like Ken Ham are the reason that church attendance is declining as well as the overall view of Christians by non Christians. People are faced with the choice of science or religion, which is a choice that shouldn't have to be made.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    As a Christian I believe in cultivating the inner person and wisdom so that we may better see creation as it is from God's perspective. Outer world disciplines are many theories of this and that but as Christians we should balance our outer world opinions with those of God.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:01 pm Agree: 7   Disagree: 1

    "Ken Ham, founder and president of Answers in Genesis, which hosted the three-day "Answers for Darwin" conference, told the crowd in the opening session that America is becoming less of a Christian nation "

    Since when were we a Christan nation?

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:54 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 3

    "Darwinism has been used to support racism and by Hitler to justify his actions, Ham claimed."

    Ken Ham should learn about Godwin's Law.

    Of course Hitler murdered Jews because he wanted to please his Lord. Everyone knows that.

    But even if somebody was influenced by the facts of evolutionary biology to murder people, that would not be evidence against evolution.

    If some person pushed somebody off a cliff to kill him, that would not be evidence against gravity.

    Who is more racist than the Christians who owned slaves? It's interesting that Darwin was strongly against slavery.

    Anyone who understands evolution knows that a race's skin color is the best possible skin color for where their ancestors came from.

    For example in northern climates a lighter skin color allows the body to absorb more vitamin D from limited sunlight. In tropical climates a darker skin color makes a person less likely to get skin cancer. We have different races thanks to natural selection and no race is better than another. They're all perfect for the environment they evolved in.

  • Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:43 am Agree: 7   Disagree: 5

    "Ham said that if children are taught about natural selection and natural processes, they are being taught in effect that they are just an animal."

    Does Ken Ham think people are plants?

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