Updated 07:54 am.EST, Mon November 23, 2009

Church|Thu, Feb. 26 2009 08:29 AM EST

Guns in Church Bill Dies in Arkansas Senate Panel

By Associated Press Writer|Andrew DeMillo

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – A state Senate panel has rejected a bill that would allow concealed handguns in Arkansas churches, a proposal that divided religious leaders.

  • Pastor Debra Carl Freeman
    (Photo: AP Images / Mike Wintroath)
    Pastor Debra Carl Freeman, of Westover Hills Presbyterian Church, speaks against a bill sponsored by Rep. Beverly Pyle, R-Cedarville, during a Senate Committee, Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009, at the Capitol in Little Rock, Ark. The bill, which failed to pass the committee Wednesday, would have allowed concealed weapons permit holders to bring their guns to church.

The measure would have removed churches and other houses of worship from the list of places where concealed handguns are banned in Arkansas. Only churches and bars are on that list.

The House approved the measure earlier this month. The Senate Judiciary Committee stalled the bill on a voice vote Wednesday.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. Beverly Pyle, R-Cedarville, told the panel after the vote that she may try again with the proposal.

"This is not a gun question, it is a question of religious freedom," Pyle said.

Gov. Mike Beebe has said he'd sign the bill if it made it to his desk.

Nathan Petty, a pastor at Beech Grove Baptist Church in Fordyce, said churches should have the right to decide whether to allow concealed handguns.

"It's not the role of the state to preserve the sanctity of the church, and it's not the role of the state to impose religious judgment calls on churches," Petty said.

But Debra Carl Freeman, pastor of Westover Hills Presbyterian Church in Little Rock, told lawmakers that the proposal went against the nature of churches.

She said the bill "would fundamentally change the perception of sanctuaries in this state from places of safety, peace and openness into those of fear and suspicion."

State Sen. Sue Madison, D-Fayetteville, said she didn't see the need for the bill.

"I don't know of any church where the carrying of guns is a sacred belief intrinsic to the doctrine of that church, like the holding of communion might be," Madison said.

Grant Exton, the executive director of the Arkansas Concealed Carry Association, said of 48 states that allow concealed carry permits, 42 let churches make the decision to ban or allow firearms.

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  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:05 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I don't think, in this case, an armed parishioner would have made a difference. From the accounts we have heard here in Boston, the attacker was standing directly in front of the pastor, pulled his gun, and shot point blank into the pastor's Bible. There was no distance between them for prevention. This is a horrendous thing to happen and I feel deeply for the congregation, but I still do not believe that armaments should ever enter a sanctuary. God is still our fortress and defender, our best caretaker.

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:51 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I can't help but wonder what a gun-carrying member of the congregation in Illinois might have put a quick stop to the crazed gunman that entered their church, just as the armed security officer did a year or so ago at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

    I see both sides, but do believe that ultimately it is the people's right to choose as well as the individual church's right. If the person then opposes that individual church's stance, they simply find a place of worship where they do feel safe. But I am absolutely against any branch of the government making this decision for "we the people."

  • Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:23 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Here in Canada, this debate doesn't exist because we have very strict laws regarding handguns and any concealed weapons. Why anyone would feel the need to carry a gun into a church, which is supposed to be a sanctuary and a place of peace and protection under God, is beyond me.

    Having served on missions to some very dangerous countries, I have never contemplated using protection of firearms as my faith and protection is always from the Lord! Of course, those countries also experience miracles, even raising of the dead, whereas in North America our faith usually lies elsewhere.

  • Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    The separation of church and state is an important issue here as well as one that implies that people are safer with handguns on their persons. It is beyond all my understanding why anyone should want to carry a weapon into church--a place that is a safe haven for everyone. Since we as Baptists hold so dearly to the separation of church and state, I don't know why there is no outrage that the state was consulted at all.

  • Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 5

    That matter should be left up the churches, not the State. We would have few problems with an armed guard on the premises or if the church had one or more cops in its congregation. The local church has become a target for armed and angry people.Just because we are the Lord's flock doesn't mean we should remain defenseless.

  • Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:41 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Believer: Now those business meetings are going to continue to drag on and on and on. :)

  • Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:08 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Wyatt Erpp will be so disappointed

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