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Society|Mon, Mar. 02 2009 08:45 AM EST

Prop. 8 Challenge Reaches Calif. Court

By Lisa Leff|Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO – A year after the state Supreme Court entertained arguments on extending marriage to gay couples, many of the same lawyers will be back before the same justices this week arguing why California's voter-appproved ban on same-sex marriage should stand or fall.

The passage of Proposition 8 last November changed the state constitution to prohibit gay marriage and trumped the high court's decision as few months earlier to legalize it. But the ballot measure was appealed and the justices on Thursday are getting the final word on whether marriage is an institution that must accommodate two women or two men.

The debate will be framed by not only the gay and lesbian couples who see their struggle as the modern equivalent of prohibitions on interracial marriage, but the 7 million citizens who rejected that comparison in an $83 million election.

The stakes are high — for the 18,000 couples who married while same-sex weddings were legal, for gay marriage opponents who object on religious grounds and for others who are deeply divided on the issue. And whatever the court decides is likely to have ramifications not only for millions of Californians but also for other states grappling over gay marriage.

The question is whether a majority of the justices will defer to popular will or, having already declared that preventing gay people from marrying was unconstitutional, will do so again. Legal experts say it is a tough call and that the court's decision, due within 90 days, will be debated for years to come.

"It's very unusual for any kind of state court to do what the petitioners are asking the California Supreme Court to do," said William Eskridge, a Yale University constitutional law professor.

Same-sex marriage supporters are urging the court to overturn Proposition 8 on the grounds that the measure made such a sweeping change to the state constitution that its sponsors lacked the authority to put it on the ballot without approval from the California Legislature. Citizens can petition to put constitutional amendments, but not substantial revisions, directly to voters.

In a rare departure, the state's own top lawyer, Attorney General Jerry Brown, has refused to defend the initiative and is urging the justices to invalidate it. Brown says Proposition 8 itself is unconstitutional because the Supreme Court's 4-3 decision last year recognized gays as a minority group entitled to judicial protection and established marriage as a fundamental right.

Legal experts say Proposition 8, which won 52 percent of the vote, would almost certainly stand if not for one notable fact: the marriage amendment represents the first time in California history that the constitution was changed at the ballot box to deprive a protected minority group of a right expressly carved out by the court.

"It would be unprecedented for the court to overturn Proposition 8 only because Proposition 8 is unprecedented," said Dale Carpenter, a University of Minnesota constitutional law professor.

A broad spectrum of civil rights groups, including the NAACP, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, and the National Organization for Women, have submitted friend-of-the-court briefs in the case, saying other minorities could have their rights put up for a vote if the measure is upheld.

Others, however, see just as much danger in limiting California's tradition of direct democracy.

Lynn Wardle, a Brigham Young University professor who submitted brief in support of Proposition 8, said, "Do you defer to the political establishment, which in this case supports same-sex marriage and wants Prop. 8 undone, or to California's history of being probably the most populist state in America?"

In the 99 years since California has allowed constitutional changes by citizen initiative, the Supreme Court has tossed out only a handful of voter-approved measures because they were significant revisions that needed prior legislative approval.

On Thursday, the court also will hear arguments on what should happen to the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages that were sanctioned in the state before Election Day, if the measure is upheld.

The sponsors of Proposition 8 argue the measure's language makes it clear the state can no longer recognize those marriages. The attorney general and lawyers for the couples and local governments say the initiative was not explicit enough to undo the unions.

Legal observers, even some gay marriage opponents, say they think the court may be reluctant to void existing marriages.

"There is no question, for a period of time, there was same-sex marriage in California, albeit a very short period of time," said James Sweeney, a constitutional lawyer who represents the California Catholic Conference.

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  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:09 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Here is my issue with the forcing of things on others. When one religious group forces their dogma on the rest of the country through secular law, it is (in this case) both a civil rights issue and a religious discrimination issue. I will tell you why. Because two people wanting to get married in no way forces anyone to participate in that marriage. However, by using a religious dogma to change the law, you are negating the rights of other religions who think differently. For instance, my religion finds nothing wrong or sinful about homosexuals entering into marriage. BUT because another religion has deemed it so and made secular law to follow their idea of right and wrong, those in my religion cannot participate in their own religious beliefs without fines and jail time. So who is forcing on who? I fully advocate religion and secular issues remaining separate. Church issues should remain in the church and civil issues in the secular world.

  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:07 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

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  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi guys, sorry for not being able to write to you all now. The censorship here in CP is just too overwhelming. I found out that my comments now have to go through CP moderator, reviewed for appropriateness they say. Well lots of luck. I dont like censorship and I think my time here is up. So long guys. Peace in Jesus Christ from Jakarta.

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "the majority does not believe Prop 8 is correct."

    Source please. Everything I've seen indicates the vote would be the same today as it was in Novemeber.

    BTW, good to see you again Mike!

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    To Christian Post:
    I have tried to post at least 5 times since your new policies took over, and not one single post has gone up. None of them have been against your comment policies in any way. I used to enjoy coming to your website, why are my posts not being put up? Please email me at swim2023@aol.com with an answer. I am writing through a post because I know someone will read it.

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:50 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "The so-called Christians that complain the loudest that a Christian forcing his/her beliefs on others are lost. "

    Again, being a good steward of our Citizenship is NOT forcing our beleifs. If that was the case then you would have to look at democracy as forcing one's beliefs on others.

    Unfortuanately, many people don't follow the example of Jesus. He called sin what it was. He didn't mince words. He didn't back down. It is the gays who are forcing their beliefs and behaviors on me and attacking Romans 1. It is the gays who want to rewrite the Bible in their image and tell those of us who believe the Bible as written we should stop forcing our beliefs on them. It is the gays who show an unGodly example to my children. It is the gays who are forcing their beliefs and lifestyle on the rest of us.

    This is America. WE THE PEOPLE determine what is right and wrong for our country and we pay the price when we sin just as we are now. I will not stop being a good steward of my citizenship to please a bunch of people who want me to say their sin is OK. No real Christian would.

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:34 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    Fors, the majority does not believe Prop 8 is correct. The majority were persuaded to vote for Prop 8 because they were lied to through propaganda and were sheep.

  • Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "One can hold a particular religious belief, participate, and not force those beliefs on others."

    I've never found that to be true. My religious beliefs are the core of my value system. They are involved in all aspects of my life. Therefore, if someone is wanting to do something the is unBiblical and they want to do it around me then something is said.

    Why? They are forcing their behavior on me. I've always found in interesting that those who complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them are the ones being the most rude with their own behavoir.

  • artm »
    Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    just wanted to say Hi to everyone.

  • artm »
    Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:18 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Innkeeper, Ephesians 5:11 declares, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, " But rather reprove them."

    The phrase " But rather reprove them," Means to, " Speak out boldly and forcibly against them."

    God commands the Church to " Go into all the World and preach the Gospel."

    The Church is commanded by God to expose the works of darkness.

    The Church is declared by God to be the " Salt of the Earth, and the Light of the World.

    If the church does nothing, where is the Light,? Where is the Salt.?

    Wreather Prop 8 passes or not is not the concern, But Rather the Church made God's Word to be heard.

  • Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    So......it's ok for people to impose their Environmental, social, philosopical, charitable and reproductive dogma on others through the legislature but not religious dogma? What kind of logic is that?

  • Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgivensinner: You misinterperet what I am suggesting, of course anyone can contribute but there is a fine line between participating in law and making your own religious dogma the law of the land. I think everyone should participate in the flow of our government, but I do not think religious dogma should be legislated. To me, there is a difference. One can hold a particular religious belief, participate, and not force those beliefs on others.

  • Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:49 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    "Attorney General Jerry Brown agreed that Proposition 8 is not an improper revision of the constitution, but nevertheless argued that the measure should be invalidated,"

    OK...where did this guy get his law degree?

    Now, the concept of prop 8 will come back to bite Christians in the back-side in the last days as the 1st Amendment says that Congress shall make no law. It says nothing about the will of the people through the ballot box.

  • Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Given the tenor of the Judge's questions and the arguments presented, it seems clear Prop 8 will be upheld by the Court. Thus, no gay marriage in California. Next they should press a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay adaption. Keep pushing while the momentum is still there.

  • Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:25 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

    When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why canâ

  • Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    But Daniel, as a Christian...wouldn't being called a "bigot" and "Judgmental" then be a hate crime? Or how about "breeder"? Hmmm, food for thought.

    Maybe it depends on who can cry the loudest. :D

    Salt, Amen...I can't imagine the court will overturn their May 2008 ruling; they must save face.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Daniel,

    I wish. LOL. Unfortunately, it's not a direct insult against religion.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:57 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    "So if a person speaks out against homosexuality, and a gay man considers it an insult, the "offending" party could be charged with a hate crime."

    So...does that mean that if a gay person says to a Christian that gay is OK that the gay person can be charged with a hate crime?

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:44 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "please enlighten me on where this or anything even slightly akin to this has happened."

    From your statement.

    You put forth the idea that saying homosexuality was wrong: "where you might express that belief illegally".

    Therefore, I responded what could happen if it became illegal for pastors to preach such a thing. Hate speech laws come to mind. Through the course of history religious men who have preached the Word in opposition to the powers that be have found themselves arrested or worse. It seems to be a constant in the war between good and evil.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Here's Englands hate crime law....

    "In England and Wales criminal actions are considered hate crimes if they are perceived by the victim or any other person as being motivated by prejudice and hatred. Hate crimes may be physical attack, verbal attack, threats or insults and will be considered a hate crime if they are motivated by the victims race, colour, ethnic origin, nationality or national origins, religion, gender or gender identity, sexual orientation or disability."

    So if a person speaks out against homosexuality, and a gay man considers it an insult, the "offending" party could be charged with a hate crime. As already been demonstrated. It's sad to say that America wants to copy their law. Right now, in America, a hate crime is any physical action taken against another in regards to their race, color, religion, or nation origin.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 5:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    feet, have you ever heard of Canada?

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Yes, feet, I was just playing. I'm sorry.

    Could you be so kind to explain your thinking....You wrote: "because of the rule of law there may be a time and place where you might express that belief illegally."

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 4

    "Pastors who preach it is wrong would be arrested "

    please enlighten me on where this or anything even slightly akin to this has happened.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:06 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "but because of the rule of law there may be a time and place where you might express that belief illegally. "

    Actually, feet is expressing the pro-gay agenda through "hate crimes" legislation. Their goal is to make it illegal to say anything negative about homosexuality. Pastors who preach it is wrong would be arrested if the people preaching tolerance had their way.

    The US Constitution gives us the right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Those people promoting "hate crime" laws are trying to erode the Constituion. In my mind that makes them a "threat-domestic".

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:00 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    fsnl wrote: "We know from history what one generation tolerates, the next generation embraces."

    I am also very aware of some in a generation holding fast to their core principals and passing those principals onto the next. I have found that many still hold onto certain "conservative" core principals. Those principals are like the mustard seed waiting to grow.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:46 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    surely you understand the rule of law to govern peoples of different religions, ethnic and generational cultures.

    as distiquished from a faith based relationship with one who lives in each believer in regards to a particular religion.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:40 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Now, look who's holding onto law? Sorry, feet, it was there. ;-)

    But, seriously, are you hoping for the day that if someone expresses that they do not understand homosexuality or even that it is not right to them, they should be arrested. Are you actually advocating that expression of views against homosexuality should become illegal? Just a question.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:31 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 3

    TO ALL

    because of the rule of law you are entitled to hold to your belief that homosexuality is a sin for your entire life.

    but because of the rule of law there may be a time and place where you might express that belief illegally.

    and that is what is causing the outrage. what was legal in the past is no longer legal today.

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:22 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    TO ALL

    homosexuality was deemed legal. therefore homosexuals are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness according to the rule of law, and not according to cultural or religious belief.

    do you realize that according to the rule of law hindus. islamics, buddhists, an atheists are equally entitled to hold public office in this country along with homosexuals?

    have you considered moving to the vatican?

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:20 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgiven, so much! Last night I tried to address someone's comment I thought was rude, but CP didn't publish it. Very frustrating, let us argue like big boys!

  • Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:57 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Forgiven,

    Yes. LOL. By the time my message gets posted, I've forgotten what the topic is. LOL.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Does anyone else miss the quick paced, witty back and forth banter?

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Ok believer, I admit I had to look up "druthers". :)

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:26 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    "The issue here is not about creating a theocracy, but Christians being good citizens."

    There is a misunderstanding of how our country works. People are suppose to vote their conscience. That means Christians voting according to Christian morals and values. Jesus was not concerned with who he may offend. He WAS concerned with people offending God by supporting sin.

    Thus the problem. Christian values is what the mind is renewed with. So our values, not separated from our vote, will reflect those values. Non-Christians do NOT like this. So, they want to intolerantly force their agenda on us by calling us intolerant.

    It's time Christians in America stop running everytime someone questions our faith. We have the responsibility to act like Christians.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:36 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Inkeeper,

    You said "Well sir every president that has been elected said they are Christians."

    So? I could say that I'm a neurosurgeon, it doesn't make me one. I could even read a book on neurosurgery, still doesn't make me one.

    As I said "But if the government were filled with Christians who's hearts were pierced with the conviction of the Holy Spirit, it would be a different story..."

    There is a difference between SAYING your a Christian and BEING a Christian. You can easily tell by their fruits that many who claim to be Christian aren't.
    And when I say that politics needs more Christians, that's what I mean. I don't mean it needs more religious people, or people who use religion to gain votes. I mean Christ-like, led by the Holy Spirit, walking in the Spirit, sanctified, sold out Christians.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:19 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    ti, their are several candidates who are or have served at the national level who allowed God to direct them in the legislation they presented and on how they voted. Four off hand that come to mind, Sen. Rick Santorum, Congressman Jim Ryun, Congressman Heath Schuler, and Congressman J.C. Watts. To the best of my knowledge these men were not ashamed to go against the flow when the flow was moving away from the godly principles this country was founded on and I'm sure there are more who have done the same.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:12 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    The issue here is not about creating a theocracy, but Christians being good citizens. As the old adage goes if you choose not to vote then you have no right to complain about the results be it a candidate or a proposition or amendment. Why is it okay for pro-abortionists and pro-homosexuals to actively make their druthers known but Christians are supposed to roll over and play dead when it comes to voicing their druthers?

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:21 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Hi Ggirl,
    Well, I think, that if we weren't talking about the Christian Godly person, there would not be any discussion. Every other person with their beliefs have a right to contribute their views to law and even government. The Christian should have the very same right (and does) to contribute themselves to the lawful and government processes. Simply because one approaches the law from different belief systems does not make their contribution any less significant. Too me, it appears if a person is a "Christian" they some how have no business contibuting to law or government, which frankly is wrong. Christians are not out to make our country theocractic simply desiring to be a part of democracy.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:30 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet:
    You said: Ah yes. But if the government were filled with Christians who's hearts were pierced with the conviction of the Holy Spirit, it would be a different story. We need more Christians in politics.

    Well sir every president that has been elected said they are Christians. Do you actually think that is true? I doubt you do - or at least I hope you don't. There is no such thing as a Christian who does the things these people have done over the years including all the ones alive still. The way we bring change in today's world is by a simple message of Repentance. Jesus never got involved in His day's government to get it changed.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Forgivensinner: I both agree and disagree with your statement. So I will ask a question which may seem irreverent, and it is not meant to be ... so bare with me on my thinking. Which God? See, to some the christian god is not real, or realized, or even the right god. Yet, they too have morals and many probably are aligned with yours. But some may not be, so who is right? Who is wrong? These questions could be argued indefinitely depending upon where you stand. AND that is why, religion needs to remain in the heart. Legislated religious belief will eventually cause more harm than good. Because, again, who is right?

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "The Gospel is the truth and the light always wins out so us trying to defend Gods truth in the Courts is like trying to defend a ferocious lion."

    "If the court upholds Prop. 8, there really isn't anything stopping someone from organizing and trying to take other minorities rights away."

    Actually there is. Our Constitution(s) are regulated by the people. We vote on what we want added to them. If our morals as a nation drop to the point that is being suggested here then we have more of a problem then a Constitutional ammendment or a court could fix.

    2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Until the Christians in America start acting like Christians then no court battle or Constitutional ammendment will do anything but maintain the status quo.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I wonder, can a Christian by a lawyer or if a lawyer then becomes a Christian do they nullifying themselves as a lawyer?

    If a person has morals, principals, standards, ethics, but does not have God (how this is possible is debatable), they are free to participate in the Law, but if a person has morals, principals, etc and God they should not participate do to some conflict of interest?

    If the Law is set up for the unlawful, then that would mean the lawful set up the Law.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:37 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    I think Christians using the law to halt the sin in this country is not the right course of action because it can become a double edged sword that could eventually do more harm to Christians than good. I completely agree that Homosexuality is a sin but I don't know if we should be going about solving it just through the courts. The thing about law that is not answering to the authority of God is that it can be interpreted by anymore. And because our court system is based on precedent what may have seemed like a victory to Christians in the short term could turn out to be a defeat in the courts in the long term. The ACLU is very good about taking advantage of these loop holes and using the law against Christians. For instance there is a article on CP about a school kicking out a Christian club because they would not allow non Christians to sit on their leadership board. They were kicked out for discrimination. Obviously we know that discrimination is bad but there are also certain things that have to be kept well with God. Yet the law doesn't and will never address those things unless it is directly written into the law. But as soon as you include one group of people to be excluded from the law it is very likely that it will be found unconstitutional. There is a reason we need a separation of church and state and it is because Christianity cannot flourish unless it is in a free society where people make up their own minds. The Gospel is the truth and the light always wins out so us trying to defend Gods truth in the Courts is like trying to defend a ferocious lion.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Gnosticgirl, I agree with you, but many of the posters below want a theocratic state, where their religious ideology is law. And I notice that at least one of them appears to be calling for violence to attain that theocracy, all in Jesus' name of course.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I would agree that keeping religion out of politics is the right thing to do, although keeping the Christian out is not in the best interest of our country. A christian is not about bringing their religion into political power, the Christian is about keeping moral values and principals across our country which are God motivated not religion motivated.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:14 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    It is imperative we keep our government separate from religion. Otherwise we risk becoming a Theocratic state - much like many middle eastern countries. Our government is a representative of all citizens and not all citizens are christian. So while I can appreciate a particular religious person wanting to see more of their religion in politics, I think it is a slippery slope. And again, I state above, if we do not keep religion and government separate - we risk losing the democratic republic we currently have.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 12:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Innkeeper

    You said "This government as well as all in this world have nothing in common with the truth of God and His Son...."

    Ah yes. But if the government were filled with Christians who's hearts were pierced with the conviction of the Holy Spirit, it would be a different story. We need more Christians in politics.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:23 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    didy, if the only thing the Church is doing is protesting against same-sex marriage then you're right we will simply be passing laws that are in keeping with the morals and values as taught in the Word of God which will have little if any impact on bringing those caught up in the sins of homosexuality to both repentance and salvation. But many of the same Christians who are opposed to same-sex marriage are also very supportive if not part of ministries that are assisting homosexuals in breaking free from the sins that are associated with homosexuality as well as helping homosexuals to come to Christ. The same is true with the abortion issue, if all we are doing is protesting against the murder of innocent unborn babies then as right as that is to do it's not enough, but once again many of the same Christians who are protesting against abortion are supportive and part of working with Crisis Pregnancy Centers throughout our nation.

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:19 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    weekenderman »
    You said:
    LOL, in what Bible do you find that Christians are to be separate from the government??

    Here is your answer:

    2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    This government as well as all in this world have nothing in common with the truth of God and His Son so therefore any connection that we can avoid we MUST! I can't help having a Birth Certificate - I can't help having a drivers License - these things I can't avoid - however I can avoid the other things and just keep preaching the truth and all those who have an ear to hear will and they who don't Oh well!

  • Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:12 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    didy, Christ encouraged the people of His day to render unto Caesar what is Caesar, in other words to be a good citizen and Paul encouraged the same. Part of being a good citizen is to take a stand for what is right. So to say that Christians are to simply sit on the sideline when it comes to political and social issues is totally not in keeping with the Word of God.

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