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Society|Sun, Mar. 08 2009 12:54 PM EDT

Gay Marriage Opponents Fear Conn. Bill Will Promote Homosexuality

By Associated Press Writer|Stephanie Reitz

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — As Connecticut lawmakers consider updating state law to conform with a court ruling that allows same-sex marriages, opponents of gay marriage fear their effort will go too far to promote homosexuality.

The legislators' work is spurred by last year's state Supreme Court decision that concluded same-sex couples have the right to wed in Connecticut. The state's 2005 civil union law doesn't give same-sex couples equal status of married heterosexual couples, the court said.

The General Assembly's judiciary committee is considering a bill to remove gender references in current state laws and transform same-sex civil unions into legally recognized marriages as of October 2010. The bill was the subject of a committee hearing Friday.

The measure also would strip language from a 1991 state anti-discrimination law that says Connecticut does not condone gay marriage and will not set quotas for hiring gay workers or encourage teaching in school about same-sex lifestyles. Some lawmakers consider the language outdated and unnecessary.

The proposal to delete that language has upset opponents, who think the court ruling could be used to affect social policy in other matters such as school curricula.

The Family Institute of Connecticut, which calls the court ruling undemocratic, said on its Web site that changing the 1991 law "goes beyond mere legislative housekeeping."

Peter Wolfgang, the organization's executive director, told the committee the proposed changes could be interpreted by "some enterprising judge" or others as encouragement to teach about homosexual lifestyles in schools.

"We don't want this misread as some sort of affirmation, some sort of mandate, that things that are opposed to in parental rights or traditional public beliefs will now be taught in the public schools," Wolfgang said.

Waterbury resident Robert Muckle Sr. told lawmakers he worries about the effect on children if same-sex relationships are condoned or encouraged by educators.

"Things are bad enough in our schools with the teaching of comprehensive sex education without the added promotion of homosexuality and bisexuality," he said.

State Rep. Michael Lawlor, D-East Haven, co-chairman of the judiciary committee, said the 1991 language prohibited actions that were never likely to occur anyway, such as setting quotas for hiring gay workers or pushing teachers to promote homosexuality.

It was added only to appease people who otherwise might have blocked the anti-discrimination bill, Lawlor said.

The language is a vestige of past discrimination that should be removed, said attorney Bennett Klein of Boston-based Gay and Lesbian Advocates & Defenders (GLAD), which represented the gay couples who won the Supreme Court decision.

"It's meaningless language other than to express prejudice," he said.

State Rep. Beth Bye, D-West Hartford, whose ceremony with her partner, Tracey Wilson, was Connecticut's first same-sex marriage, said the updates to state law are much more than mere procedure.

"Marriage has meaning in our culture, and marriage has meaning in our state and to my family," Bye, displaying her marriage license, told fellow lawmakers Friday.

The judiciary committee did not act Friday on the proposed changes, which would require full General Assembly approval. Continue »

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  • Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:43 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Educate our young to understand homosexual is better than misinterpret or looking down . Mature human won't promote "the kind of homosexual" which some peoples thought. They're not really care or concern of our next generation but more focus on the "punishment" which they believe(in deeply fear);it's old laws that only necessary for the 2000B.C non-civilised or non-educated situation.Human beings of today advance and change:got knowledge, mature,good in mind and deed.

  • Bart »
    Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:52 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    It has been stated by at least one individual commenting , That with same-sex marriage in Canada , clergy have been arrested for expressing their religious opposition to homosexuals. This is false. It is not true. In two instances in which complaints were filed with Human Rights Commissions , statements encouraging acts of violence were employed. If the claims by some of arrests were true , there would be literally busloads of priests and pastors being hauled off to prison , wouldn't you think? And that is not ; nor will it ever be ; the case. The use of lies doesn't help the cause of those who oppose equality on the basis of religious doctrine.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:25 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Just a quick followup on this story regarding Connecticut legislating how the Catholic Church is to restructure their finances.

    The bill was 'SHELVED' today (Wed 3/11) because of a healthy turn out of like-minded folks standing up for their religious rights in protest of the proposed legislation.

    "Shelved" means it will probably come back at a 'more opportune' time...this is just like sneaky old satan. Keep your eyes open, Connecticut (and elsewhere) this is not the end of the Government testing the 1st ammendment under this administration.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    The American government is to be driven by the will of the people. The will of the people is driven by what they believe. The Church abandoned it's role in our society and we are now paying the price.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:19 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    If Connecticut goes ahead with this legislation, they will experience all the same problems Massachusetts has. This is a list of all those problems:
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    It will be the same in CT.

  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:58 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    It IS True that Connecticut is legislating against the Catholic Church and it is an outrage! I just saw a story on Fox (can't seem to find anything on CNN newsbites about this) that the state of Connecticut wants to restructure how the Catholic Church handles financial matters within dioceses and it appears that this legislation is an attack on religion overall, not just on the Catholic Church. Evidently, there is a meeting tomorrow (Wed) at 12pm at the courthouse in Hartford contesting this bold move by the government against not only the constitution and the people but religion itself; even though the people are not given much notice, I hope they have a huge turn out!

    It was mentioned on the news show that this legislation is a backlash to intimidate the Church over the Church's stand on the "gay rights" issue. It may be Connecticut today and your state tomorrow if we don't stand up to take this country back from the tyranny we are seeing from these leftwing radicals in charge.

    The government doesn't GIVE us our rights, God does and the government has no place in any religion! This is the end game folks, once the government has taken God out of the public square they will decide that YOUR RIGHTS are granted by government. Our government has forgotten the people, they owe us no answers and are proceeding with an ungodly agenda that must be stopped. The media is complicit, they do not require any accountibility from government officials and they don't even ask the hard questions.

    And to think some Christians feel they shouldn't become involved...this is exactly HOW they want us to think, that we are powerless to affect change so we won't stand up for our rights.
    What kind of country do you want to live in?

  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:15 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    IF TRUE regarding Connecticut's 2 legislators who have introduced a bill to 'control how individual Catholic parishes spend money', THEN this IS an intrusion of government into religion and blatant hypocracy.

    This same government is stealing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of taxpayer's money for pork and earmarks, 'stimulus' and 'omnibus' bills, political paybacks, bank, auto, housing bailouts and social programs without even taking the time to represent the people enough to READ the voluminous legislation and passing these in haste without the taxpayer approval.

    Comparatively, the funds "stolen" from the Catholic parishes are small potatoes and there are other ways that this can be remedied without governmental intrusion via legislation to control future spending by the church.

    Funny how folks cry 'separation of church and state' when they see a Christmas Creche on public property or a cross in the middle of the Mohave desert erected to honor veterans and demand these to be dismantled. (or as in the case of the Mohave Cross, covered by a plywood box while the 9th circus court determines a ruling). But when the government oversteps the constitution to interfere with a church (even IF a crime was committed) to legislate governmental laws and oversight, it is accepted without question by the public.

    And since we haven't educated our population via our public schools properly on our system of government; constitutional republic under a system of free enterprise versus the systems of Socialism or Communism, then we get the government we deserve. Intrusive, big government bent on control of all societial functions; banking and investment, business, private and religious.
    There seems to be no turning back of the tide or reasonable hope we may ever recover balance our forefathers designed into our system of government.

  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:59 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Penitent, let's get the facts straight. There were 2 legislators who introduced the bill, it was to control how individual Catholic parishes spend money, and it was at the request of some parishioners after their pastor stole a few million dollars from their parish. That is hardly anti-Christian.

  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:48 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Hi pen, you may be right about the State of CT, but I can assure you that the Church in CT is alive, active and growing.

  • Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:38 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I'd like to add my two cents on this issue (if the moderator so allows).

    I find the comments about SJ fear-mongering quite ironic. It's equally matched by the comments coming out against gay marriage. It will "have effects no one could ever imagine..." and so on. When will all of you learn that it is not your place to force your beliefs on society at large. Homosexuals are citizens just like you and are entitled to the same protections and rights which you all enjoy.

    And as far as the details of the article are concerned it's rationally absurd that anyone should be up in arms over the removal of the language from the anti-discrimination law. Clearly, no one is going to have quotas. Even in the absence of such language in the bill there would be enough cause to hold such practices illegal. As for the language regarding "condoning" gay marriage or allowing it to be taught in schools I have a similar response the flies in the face of your assertions. It's not a salient issue of if a state "condones" any practice of its citizens. There are only permitted and prohibited practices. You could make the argument that with permission there is condoning; however, by those standards marriage itself is being condoned and merely the definition of who may participate in the practice is being expanded. As for the school point, it would stand to reason that if the state is allowing same sex couples to marry there should be some mention that the lifestyle exists. That is not to say that the mechanics of sex of any kind should be taught to children before middle school but the simple premise of a family coming in different forms is more than acceptable. If you want to raise your kids in a bubble move to an isolated community somewhere that the population density is less than 10 people per square mile and make sure that you have no television or other form of communication. Same sex couples exist. Come October 2010 they will be recognized as married under CT state law and as such should not be relegated to the shadows or the fringes of society.

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:24 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    It doesn't sound like the Bill is promoting homosexuality to me... but it does sound like it's promoting equality.

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:58 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    Conn. is a VERY anti-Christian state. The legislature just introduced a bill which tries to dictate how every Catholic church should be run. A blatant violation of the first amendment.

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:05 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 5

    sj, don't you get tired of spewing the same nonsense over and over again about the abolition of slavery and so on when Christians were on the front line of getting all these abolished. What salt says is already going on in European nations and Canada right now. Pastors are being threatened with and in Canada even arrested for speaking out against the sins of homosexuality. But then again since you choose to stay in a denomination that ordains and condones church leaders who are practicing homosexuals as well as in favor of same-sex marriage your view on this issue should surprise no one, but for those of us who do realize that God's original and only design for marriage is one man and one woman united as one for life and that His original and only design for sexual intimacy is that it is reserved for one man and one woman united as one in the sight of God for life through marriage, these issues do concern us not only because of the consequences in the lives of those individuals who are violating these designs but also the consequences on us as a nation as well. And once again you have yet to show us any valid passages of Scripture used to oppose those examples you gave.

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:27 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    my posts don't seem to be going up??????

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:27 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I am a married Christian in Connecticut. My marriage is falling apart now because of this law. I think divorce is imminent because some gay people are marrying each other after loving each other for a long time. I really have trouble caring about my wife any more, and she would say the same. Everyone else says the same thing.

    Oh wait, nothing is different. Umm... some gay people that have been committed to each other for years get basic rights with the state. Straight marriages all around us a re still falling apart because of easy divorce (tolerated in in action if not in dogma by every church I've ever been part of - all evangelical).

    PS NO church has to perform these marriages, as that would violate church and state rules. US law protects that as free speech as well as freedom of religious expression. This legal change only relates to gays in the civil context, and we look like mean spirited kids who can't share the civil society sandbox in these fights. We don't have to personally condone their behavior to play fair and let other people have the basic rights we demand.

  • Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:27 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I am a married Christian in Connecticut. My marriage is falling apart now because of this law. I think divorce is imminent because some gay people are marrying each other after loving each other for a long time. I really have trouble caring about my wife any more, and she would say the same. Everyone else says the same thing.

    Oh wait, nothing is different. Umm... some gay people that have been committed to each other for years get basic rights with the state. Straight marriages all around us a re still falling apart because of easy divorce (tolerated in in action if not in dogma by every church I've ever been part of - all evangelical).

    PS NO church has to perform these marriages, as that would violate church and state rules. US law protects that as free speech as well as freedom of religious expression. This legal change only relates to gays in the civil context, and we look like mean spirited kids who can't share the civil society sandbox in these fights. We don't have to personally condone their behavior to play fair and let other people have the basic rights we demand.

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:31 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Dear forsaltnlight- The following is a complete list of all the bad things which have happened since Massachusetts approved gay marriage:
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    The list in Connecticut will be just as long.

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:16 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 5

    forsaltnlight, your comment sounds EXACTLY like many before you, who substituting your first two words, feared the disastrous effects of "democracy and the rejection of the king's divine rights," or "the abolition of slavery," or "the equality of women," or "allowing the races to intermarry," all of which were changes that supposedly drifted from God's instructions from His Holy Word. Its a tired, old self-righteous kind of fear-mongering which simply isn't working!

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:12 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    OK wait, gay marriage will lead to more vacation leave and taxation? Please explain how you came to that conclusion.

  • Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:59 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    forsalt: Heterosexual marriage effects the same things you mentioned, i.e. vacation leave, insurance, nepotism, taxation. Why should gay marriage be viewed any more negatively than heterosexual marriage?

  • artm »
    Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:22 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 3

    amen, America hasen't seen anything yet.

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