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Society|Wed, Mar. 11 2009 08:19 AM EDT

Prop. 8 Opponents Begin Effort to Strike 'Marriage' from Calif. Law

By Lawrence Jones|Christian Post Reporter

Proposition 8 opponents received permission Tuesday from the California Secretary of State's office to begin collecting petition signatures toward a repeal of the state's same-sex marriage ban.

The initiative would side step the issue of same-sex marriage by making all couples eligible for marriage benefits regardless of their sexual orientation. If approved, the initiative would strike the word "marriage" from all state laws and replace it with the term "domestic partnership."

The measure would also repeal Proposition 8, California's constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

State Attorney General Jerry Brown submitted the official title and summary for the measure on Monday, about a week after the state Supreme Court heard arguments challenging the validity of Proposition 8.

The official and title summary for the measure is as follows:

Substitutes Domestic Partnership for Marriage in California Law. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.
Replaces the term "marriage" with the term "domestic partnership" throughout California law, but preserves the rights provided in marriage. Applies equally to all couples, regardless of sexual orientation. Repeals the provision in California’s Constitution that states only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.

The proponents of the measure are two Southern California college students, Kaelan Housewright and Ali Shams. They must collect around 695,000 signatures, or 8 percent of the total votes cast for governor in the 2006 gubernatorial election, by August 6 in order to qualify for the 2010 ballot.

During last week's hearing on Proposition 8, the state Supreme Court justices indicated they would not invalidate the measure, which was approve statewide by 52 percent of voters in November. Two justices were deeply skeptical of arguments from gay rights' lawyers that the measure was an improper constitutional revision, the Los Angeles Times reported.

The High Court, however, indicated it would uphold the 18,000 same-sex marriages that took place during the four months the unions were legal in the state.

A new poll released Tuesday shows that same-sex marriage remains a divisive issue in the state. Among respondents to the Field Poll, 48 percent say they would vote in favor of a constitutional amendment to allow same-sex marriages, with 47 percent opposing and 5 percent undecided.

Frank Schubert, the Yes on 8 campaign manager, told the San Francisco Chronicle that eliminating marriage for everyone was "fundamentally a dumb idea" and unlikely to gain broad public support.

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  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    From histories we saw: controversy between different religious-concepts have caused problems ;examples: devision,war,hurt,fall back ward...Let this became issue to vote is improper-first-step. Love also include: human learn how to get along with one another or technics of communicate and speak(conversation).

  • Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    the motive of the measure is people fear of the punishment from God cause them too fear-scare-unrelease then daren't and can't change their own concepts.(they need to be heal and cure). I as a christian leader discovered that many of us ignorance then misinterpret the Scripture just use few verses to support their personal subjective thoughts.Let "this" become a issue (election,vote,ballot)is totally a improper or wrongly first step!

  • Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I'm one of the christian leaders even feel sad,hurt about Pro 8(the measure);I can't imagine how all the gay couples feel? Basically this Pro 8 measurement is something harmful,hating,unreal,unequal,unfair,unlogic...It's add more problems.

  • Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    gays have equal rights any gay man can merry a woman and any gay woman can marry a man , but the bennifettes they seek have to have other ducuments drawn up to be reconised . aka a will , power of attorny and such but they with with marriage wich the dont want to be apart of cant get the fed bennies , so they want to have their cake and eat it to , not justice but beyond, anyone smell civil war in the air ?

  • Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:09 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Hot Topic! I won't say much because God's Word say's It All!

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:06 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    All sides have people who commit atrocities. The FBI recently reported that hate crimes against the LGBT community has increased 6% over last year. AND there was a recent article regarding hate crimes specific to California that said the rise in hate crimes is almost if not in the double digits. Violence towards any group is wrong.

  • Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:15 am Agree: 4   Disagree: 3

    "at least be intellectually honest. "

    I believe it is the pro-gay camp that is not intellectually honest. For example, they claim tolerance yet assault little old ladies and set fires at churches. They want honesty yet claim Romans 1 does not refer to all homosexual behavior when it clearly does by all rules of the greek language. They say people shouldn't force their beliefs on others while sueing Christians because Christians will not accept the gay agenda. The list goes on.

    It is the pro-gay camp that is not intelectually honest. Furthermore, honesty is honesty. It's either honest or it's not. Those who separate honesty into different camps are not being honest. Honest!!!

    As long as the pro-gay agenda is being forced on others I will defend the road.

  • Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:40 pm Agree: 3   Disagree: 0

    DP: There you go again with the devisive rhetoric - why must you always go down that road? If you're going to talk that way, at least be intellectually honest.

  • Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Dear Brother Innkeeper,

    You've got to admit not many can live this way. Having no job, making no money, collecting no welfare or disability, not being able to get around, neglecting your health and having no resources with which to share with others.
    I don't find that God has intended us to occupy as good stewards of His creation in this way.

    That is why I asked regarding your circumstances as to whether you have isolated yourself from not only the world but from people in general. You've chosen not to answer these head on, which makes me curious; especially in view of (and you'll pardon my opinion here) your attitude of seeing so much fault in your brothers posting on these boards. I find it anti-intutitive of one who has been transformed by the Grace of God and guided by the Holy Spirit to have any contempt for fellow believers.

    I am not calling your salvation into question, rather I hope by mentioning these things you may see that you may have drifted away from the agape love of God through self-isolation.

    "A man who isolates himself seeks his own desire; He rages against all wise judgment."
    Proverbs 18:1 comes to mind here.

    I pray for you that if this is the case, that the Lord would send some loving brothers your way to help you in your life and to find greater joy in your existence here as we all await the coming of His Everlasting Kingdom. In Jesus name, amen.

  • Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:55 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Why would I use anything of this world sir? I have not been in Hospital in years - man I can not think of last time I even seen a Dr. Oh yes I have pains and hurt alot but -----such is life. I don't say these to be applauded by man I was just telling you I avoid any connection with the world system that I can. As I said there are some things I can't avoid like a Birth Cert. I am sure they have files on me and I even USE to have a record because of my rebellious youth. Let me tell ya friend - times do get hard with this type of mind set so I understand why you all think I am crazy - as matter of fact you might be right LOL.

    My whole point in here has been surly missed. Man has government and that is cool. However this go9vernment is not operating in a godly manner and I want nothing to do with it! I have no fellowship or connection with the fruitless works of Darkness. It is that simple. People who get involved are not going to hell for doing so but there will be stumbling blocks for sure so I avoid them so as to not fall into ease of someone else taking care of me other then My REAL KING - JESUS!

  • Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:12 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    I make no money
    I don't drive.
    I have no children of my own

    This must be difficult. Do you live in isolation? Do you have support from others?

  • Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    You ask:I would ask do you now or will you ever apply for your Social Security retirement and accept that income
    My answer - NO

    These services are for citizens only
    You ask:Do you or will accept Medicare payments for your healthcare
    My answer - NO
    You ask:If you were eligible for a stimulus check would you accept it
    My answer: Why would I accept blood Money - so answer is NO!
    You ask:Do you have drivers license and a birth certificate
    My answer: I do not have a choice with having a Birth Certificate - as for Drivers License - yes I have one - is it any good NO since I don't drive.
    You ask:Does your children have a birth certificate
    My answer - I have no children of my own
    You ask:Do you pay taxes and do accept a refund when you have a check coming.
    My answer is simple - I make no money - when I have a need God provides it....is that so odd for you?
    You asked:Do you drive on the state highways
    Already answered
    I was just curious since you were under the impression that you are in the Kingdom of God only while here on this earth and not a citizen of this world or nation.

    Hope this helps - kind of doubt it since you wont believe me anyway. LOL

  • Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:33 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Also, there is no slippery slope for a domestic partnership. My partner and I are currently working towards domestic partnership benefits since I am a public employee (teacher) and they are offered to him after 6 months. The laws are very strict and very certain about who can qualify for a domestic partnership, and there is no room for polygamy in the legislation. Quite honestly, straight couples aren't allowed domestic partnerships, which I don't understand.

  • Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:29 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    Being gay is not equatable to being anti-social. That is a disorder which you are not qualified to diagnose people with, and so trying to do so is lying. That does not come from a place of love or truth, it is a place of fear and hatred. Marriage has been withheld unjustly from committed gay couples for far too long. We are taking nothing away from anyone.

  • Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:08 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 3

    One of the main things this behavior on the part of the pro-gay camp is that it is totally anti-social. "We can't have our way so we're going to take it away from you." Their true level of hate surfaces while they try to "poison the well".

    True love has nothing to do with the pro-gay movement.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I know what you say to be true, Blacksho89.

    Before I came to Christ, I was apathetic about government, cultural trends and justice or anything else outside of 'my little world'. I think an outgrowth of a love for the lost is to be concerned about the world we are living in and hold back the darkness that is sure to come before our Lord's return.

    It's okay with me if other Christians do not feel the way I do, I do not try to impose my viewpoint on them. In much the same way, I don't like someone telling me that once I became a Christian that I must subjugate my civil liberties and public voice for a life of a holy monk. If God has spoken against civil involvement then, that would be an entirely different story.
    Keep up the good fight and thanks for the resources, I'll check them out.


    Daniel Paul, interesting concept for the slippery slope of 'domestic partnerships' and linguistic confusion the courts get hung up on. Partnership could mean corporate marriage and doesn't limit the number of partners as it would for keeping the definition of marriage between one man-one woman.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    PS Innkeeper,

    Please provide scriptural evidence that God is displeased with Christians becoming involved in or concerned with earthly government. If you feel must "rebuke" the "carnal"; you'll have to show us where you are on target Scripturally. If you cannot back your rebukes with Scripture then you have no business rebuking anything.

    Here's my Scriptural basis...where's yours? "For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith." Rom 12:3.

    PPS IF you feel so strongly on this issue, then why are you posting here or even bothering to read these stories, as most do concern earthly issues?

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Innkeeper;

    What sin are you condemning your brothers for? What sin are you "tolerating"? This is a matter of personal opinion and not one based in Scripture so we should have no rightful division between us here on these boards.

    For your PERSONAL opinion you CONDEMN your brother and that is not pleasing to God.

    If your citizenship is in Heaven, what are you representing of that here? You don't deserve your salvation any more than any of us do, why not humble yourself and allow others to voice their personal opinions without questioning a brothers salvation (i.e., "so-called believers" and "wannabes") when they disagree with your personal beliefs and opinions. This is not love, even if you claim the truth.

    Unless one is violating the Scriptures and the doctrine handed down to us, then there should be unity and absolutely no condemnation for each other.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:28 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    partnership: noun 1) the members of a business venture created by contract, 2) a contract between two or more persons who agree to pool talent and money and share profits of losses.

    Wow! This will allow people to have more than 1 spouse! It will be easy for people to argue for multiple spouses within the "domestic partnership". I thought the pro-gay agenda didn't want that.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:23 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    DITL: there is a fantastic book titled "Render Unto Caesar" by Charles Chaput detailing a Christian's rights and responsibilities in political activity. Chaput is the Archbishop of the Denver Archdiocese, but I don't hold that against him :). Seriously, though, the guy is brilliant and very encouraging towards believers who want to know how to be politically active.

    The Focus on the Family DVD series "The Truth Project" also covers this topic.

    Political activity is definitely in the bounds of what God expects of His children. He established government for His glory. It is to our benefit to help shape the government to His ideals.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am very impressed.

    I guess this is a good measure, is it not? If marriage is a Godly issue, then let God deal with it and not the state.

    I speak for most homosexuals when I say we have NO interest in infriging religious rights; all we want is equal civil rights. I don't care what you call it, as long as you respect the rights that I have with my partner.

    With marriage out of the court, the sanctity of marriage can be truly protected!

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:23 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    it is interesting that so many feel that the state has no business being involved in marriage. Yet these same people would put a burden on the state to care for and protect children. Everyone should have a stake in protecting marriage. It seems today everyone takes marriage lightly especially heterosexuals. The real purpose of marriage is to provide a stable, both financially and emotionally, environment for children. Every child deserves a mom and a dad. Both femininity and masculinity are important in our lives. Marriage is more than legalized sex. It seems many have forgotten that point.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:53 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Blacksho - so you agree that is not biblically required but for the sake of money you choose to covenant with this worlds government? It is not required to file as husband and wife sir - many who are even married file separately. This is not a salvation issue sir so I am not blasting you I am just making a point. Since you are filed then they can separate you legally. The Scripture says let no man put asunder. Right? Anyway I am not against ya bro - just making conversation. I could have gone that way too and it sure would have made my life easier but for consciense sake I did not!

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:48 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Love does not mean tolerate! Love means being honest and truthful at all cost. I rebuked whatshisname because all he did was piously post a bunch of scriptures with no context to the discussion. As for you being a citizen, well I am only one by birth but I do not claim any citizenship other then that of the Kingdom of God's. With that said I find it silly to try to change man by enforcing laws made by unredeemed man - that my friend is foolishness. As for me calling people who claim to be believers 'so called' - you will just have to get over that because any fool can call themselves a believer but not be so I use the term 'so called'. About loving my brothers - that is simple - if I did not love them I would not speak the truth. I would just allow them to continue in their foolish carnal ways. You all seem to forget that there is a plethora of the scriptures that are for rebuke. and therefore I shall do as Jesus did and be gentle where needed and rebuke where needed. I don't play games nor do I pet flesh!

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:15 am Agree: 3   Disagree: 1

    "My stand on this issue is condemned by most so called believers"

    INNKEEPER;

    You have a very big problem in labeling your fellow believers as "so-called" because we don't agree with your passive position about excercising our rights to be involved in public decisions as Christians and as citizens. I've seen recently a post from you lambasting Jehovahnissi in a pretty nasty way. Please answer:

    Whatever happened to 'love your brother" as in 1 John 4:21 "And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also."

    I see a command to love our brothers, I don't see a command from Jesus not to be involved with culture and politics as a citzen.

    CAN YOU CLEAR UP THIS DISCREPANCY FOR ME? Thanks.

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    every one stop stealing....the government hates compition. The courts illegally over turned this decision the first time. they do not have the authority to make law! only to interpet it as it is writing. only congress has authority to make law....DeaconDon

  • Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:06 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The first time the courts over turned this decision they did it illegally. The couts do not have the authority to make law! They are there to interpet the laws as they are writing ONLY and no more.Only congress has authority to make law.These judges have willfully broken the laws of this land.with full knowledge of over stepping there authority.I am ashamed to live in a country where criminals run the nation.Also every one stop stealing...the government hates compition.. DeaconDon

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:57 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Innkeeper: I live in Colorado, which recognizes "common-law" marriage-no legal forms are required.

    With that said, yes, we did file a marriage certificate for tax purposes. The IRS is a stickler for those things. The Colorado Marriage License application is more liberal than some, no blood test required, first cousins can marry. Only bigamy is forbidden, so "permission" does not really come into the equation here. Interestingly, my health insurance company did NOT require a certificate to cover my wife.

    Some would refuse to get a marriage certificate for the reason I stated-it's none of the State's business. I respect that stand. It's not one I could take because of the tax implications.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:10 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Even I, a supportor of equal right for gays, think that this is a miserable proposition. I disagree with this proposition for the same reasons I disagreed with proposition 8 - it will impact on a couple's happiness and ability to build their lives together.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:23 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 2

    I'm with Blacksho89 on this one. Jesus told us to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and let the godly things in this life be dedicated to him. (Paraphrased :)) The state can stay out of my marriage and that's just fine, it was conducted in God's name, not the governor's.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Blacksho89
    "I believe that any two people, regardless of any presumption of whether or not they are involved sexually, should be allowed to form a partnership for purposes of legal responsibilities and rights."

    Everybody already has this right, its incorporation.

    These people who practice unclean acts, are striking at the foundation that made Marriage__which in turn made the USA & California.

    Why? They want all people to function at the lowest common denominator and that is in full submission to the ID. We let this activity out of the closet and now they want US to climb in the closet.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:11 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 6

    blacksho, I've been advocating this for months with regards to domestic partnerships. At first this sounds kind of crazy, but marriage is ultimately God's creation and design so why not leave the state out of it completely and have them ensure that any two people who occupy the same household and are each others primary caregivers receive all the legal rights and benefits of every other couple regardless of their sexual orientation or activities.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:00 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    Eliminating "marriage" from the legal code IS a fundamentally dumb idea, in that the reasonable voters of California would reject it. I agree, however, that the State has no business being in the marriage business. The quicker they get out of it, the better of we'll all be.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I have to say that putting the word people in sneering quote marks is a little much, John5796. What are you intending to imply with those marks of punctuation, exactly? That some of God's beloved human creatures are lower and less human than you? Not fully people? I hope I'm wrong, and that you meant something else.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 4:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I'm very happy to let "Marriages" take place in churches and other institutions and for the government simply to register "Domestic Partnerships." That way we all have equal rights.

    Isn't it strange thought, how some people's thoughts immediately jump to bestiality and incest when this subject comes up.

  • artm »
    Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    t seem to get my posts through why.?

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    When it comes to California, the term "marriage" has to be used very loosely. What the homosexuals are engaging in is NOT marriage. Marriage was ordained by God as between a man and a woman. What they are calling marriage is only a perversion of the original.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:48 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 1

    So Blacksho89 - you said "My marriage is a covenant between me, my wife, and God. The "State" can go pound sand. My marriage is none of the State's business."

    Mind you I 1 Billion percent agree! However in your 'marriage' did you get the states permission to get married? Did you get one of their legal forms? I am just asking because if you did then it bares scrutiny for your statement of 'it is not their business' remark! My stand on this issue is condemned by most so called believers so I was just wondering.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:44 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "The proponents of the measure are two Southern California college students, Kaelan Housewright and Ali Shams."

    Once again we see that the minority will try to force their immoral way of life upon everyone.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:21 pm Agree: 12   Disagree: 12

    "If approved, the initiative would strike the word "marriage" from all state laws and replace it with the term "domestic partnership."

    So these "people" want to make the word marriage a bad word? Would someone be able to have a sexual relationship and "domestic partnership" with their cocker spaniel? This idea is just as disgusting and sinful as what they really want. What is sick immoral perverted society we have become.

  • Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 12   Disagree: 3

    I don't think that "eliminating marriage" from the legal code is a fundamentally dumb idea at all! My marriage is a covenant between me, my wife, and God. The "State" can go pound sand. My marriage is none of the State's business.

    Marriage is rightly the purview of the Church.
    I believe that any two people, regardless of any presumption of whether or not they are involved sexually, should be allowed to form a partnership for purposes of legal responsibilities and rights. This could be a brother and sister, or two brothers, or a parent and child, forming a partnership to protect their legal interests. Jesus knows who is married and who is not. Any definition made up by fallen Man, He scoffs at.

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