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Society|Tue, Mar. 24 2009 12:22 PM EDT

Gay Marriage Bill Passes through Vt. Senate

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

The Vermont Senate overwhelmingly approved on Monday a measure legalizing same-sex marriage.

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    (Photo: AP Images / Toby Talbot)
    Sen. John Campbell, D-Windsor, speaks in favor of a bill on gay marriage in Montpelier, Vt., Monday, March 23, 2009. The bill, passed by a vote of 26-4, would add Vermont to the list of states that allow gay and lesbian couples to get married.

After a 26-4 vote in the Senate, the House Judiciary Committee is expected to begin debating the gay marriage measure on Tuesday. The bill is also expected to be approved by the state House by next month.

If the bill becomes law, Vermont would become the third state after Massachusetts and Connecticut to allow same-sex marriage and the first state to permit gay and lesbian couples to marry by a vote of the Legislature.

Vermont was the first state in the country to enact civil unions for same-sex couples nine years ago.

Same-sex marriage bills are also gaining in other New England states.

The New Hampshire House of Representatives is scheduled to vote on a gay marriage bill later this week while a legislative panel in Maine will hold a hearing on a similar bill next month.

Rallying support against the pending legislation in the three states, the National Organization for Marriage launched a major ad campaign last week. Radio ads are airing in Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine, alerting listeners about the ramifications of legalizing same-sex marriage and how it could affect children.

According to recent surveys, the three New England states were listed as the least religious states in the country. The Gallup Poll Daily tracking and the 2008 American Religious Identification Survey placed Vermont on top with the most non-religious people.

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  • Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:28 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I wonder why people place so much emphasis on sexuality in regards to the legal marriage issue. Legal marriage allows people to be wedded regardless of their sexual preference. There's nothing to say that married people do or must engage in sexual activity. To my knowledge, there is not even a provision that states the married couple must love one another.

    All legal marriage does is assign a set of privileges -- power of attorney, tax arrangements, asset management arrangements, etc. -- to two people. Isn't legal marriage, in so many words, a form of business arrangement?

    Even in states that do not permit same-sex marriage, a gay man could legally marry a lesbian woman and be entitled to all the privileges that legal marriage provides.

    That said, I realize that legal marriage is specifically distinct from religious marriage -- which does prescribe a set of moral behaviors for the wedded couple -- but our courts have never discussed religious marriage.

    So again, why are we talking so much about sexuality, when legal marriage does not have anything to do with sex? (In many "no-fault" divorce states, divorce does not even require sexual unfaithfulness.)

  • Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:01 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    "Homosexuality is a perverted form of the love that God created for a man and a woman."

    Thus sayeth the false prophet. Sorry still doesn't make it so, no matter how many times and on how many boards you post it. Your obvious anger at God is showing.

  • Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:24 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 1

    Always good to the hand of God at work in the lives of people. Those who continue to rage against His will, will be defeated.

  • Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    Yet, WHO am I continuing to speak with that has rejected the message over and over again?
    No one, zip, zero, nada.

    From reading these posts last night, I was feeling sorry for Feet. It appeared to me like two cats batting around a mouse.

    In the eyes of the world, this type of behavior only strengthens the predjudice. The CP may be the only contact some may have with Christians and I'd like to see us use a little more tact and diplomacy here. If not a bit more kindness?

    There are ways to address an idea in a post without addressing the person...thereby making it less likely that one can take something we write as a personal offense.

  • Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:03 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    Delight,

    "He would present him with the message once or twice and seeing no repentance, would move on.
    So would Jesus. But neither Jesus nor Paul would ridicule him, even if sometimes his comments seem to call for it. Let's not go there, just cut it off."

    And yet, you are still here after all this time, having the same discussions with the same people.....

    No offense.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:50 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    "Riding your hobby horse at two years old isn't a testimony. LOL.'

    Although I agree he gave no testimony, to answer back "LOL" is derisive and caters to the stereo-type of Christians who "hate". That is how the world sees us when we respond like this to sinners.

    Why is it not better to ignore his posts when your answer to him will not be received anyway? By continuing to answer back leaves us frustrated and results in less than civil discourse and gives him a forum by which to dispute God's truth and become a gay martyr.

    How long do you suppose he will post comments here that go unanswered? Probably not very long and that is one way you can get rid of the "devil's messenger". Have you tried this?

    "What do you think Paul would have say to Feet"

    He would present him with the message once or twice and seeing no repentance, would move on.
    So would Jesus. But neither Jesus nor Paul would ridicule him, even if sometimes his comments seem to call for it. Let's not go there, just cut it off.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:02 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    I did not ridicule him. I merely said that riding a hobby horse at the age of two, and knowing Jesus loves you is not a testimony.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 2

    I found the hobby horse post quite cute and you guys are ridiculing him without mercy.

    I know you're tired of the same old arguments and responding back with good Scriptural answers that are ignored, but is this the way to go?

    Would it be better just to bypass his posts and not respond than to make fun of him and end up messing up your witness to others outside who read these boards?

    Think about it.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    I guess it doesn't tell you anything.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    Riding your hobby horse at two years old isn't a testimony. LOL.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:06 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    feet, In 2 Cor. 7, Paul tells the church (of baptized believers) that he did not regret that his previous letter had made them sorrowful, because it had lead them to repentence.

    Paul's example here is that we (brothers and sisters in Christ) should tell each other things that may be sorrowful to us to lead us to repentence. That is also love.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:56 pm Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    what is it that you do not understand about SELLING.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:49 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "im in awed in how all of you are so heavily invested in selling guilt and regret in spite of 2cor7 among other things."

    Maybe that guilt should tell you something. I would think the conviction of the Holy Spirit would have an effect, but maybe not in your case.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Forgiven,

    Amen! The less of me there is, the more of God can shine through. I would decrease, so that He may increase.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, ah yes,

    "For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. Matthew 16:25

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "IS there any part of of our life that we get to keep if we love Jesus?"

    We are to offer up our life (completely) as a living sacrifice. God will consume that which He wants, and leave that which He wants.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "..........from even back to my earliest memories at 21/2 and 3 of riding on my hobby horse i knew jesus loved me."

    Of course. Anyone in the world, even Bin Laden, can say that. "For God so loved the WORLD...."

    The question is, why don't you love Him back.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:50 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    feet,

    "
    "prostitute because that's love, you sex is love, if you are nice to the drug dealer"
    prostitution = love?????"

    Building houses is love? Digging ditches is love? Prostitution is a job. So, as I said, should it be legal since it doesn't go AGAINST the second commandment?

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    IS there any part of of our life that we get to keep if we love Jesus?

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:43 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    its not a good sign when you are forced to having conversations with each other, because you are unable to address my points.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:33 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    to all, you can always tell when you've got feet pinned down because he'll revert to his fruit stand, 2nd part of the Great Commandment, and/or his misunderstanding of being under the law. And he keeps saying that we never show him where being homosexual is a sin and since we haven't shown him that he rationalizes that the sexual sins of homosexuality are not a sin!

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:26 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    i do believe feet needs help. (but I don't think feet wants it.)

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:06 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    feet,

    Do you think that prostitution and drug use should be legal, since it doesn't got against the second commandment?

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:46 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    to all

    "You put yourself under the law when you fail to let Jesus write His laws in your heart and hold on to your sin. "

    what you are in effect saying: "You put yourself under the law when you fail to honor our interpretation of the law in your heart and hold on to WHAT WE CONSIDER SIN."

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:44 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    "DOES NOT COME AGAINST ONE..........THEN IT CANNOT COME AGAINST THE OTHER."

    And since homosexuality is a sin, it comes against the first commandment.

    "There is a way which SEEMS right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:43 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "the 2 commandments are intimately linked because one does not take place without the other taking place."

    Actually, yes they can. A person cannot love God without loving his neighbor, but a person can love his neighbor without loving God.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:40 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    to all

    "I see you are still incapable of understanding how being gay comes against the 1st commandment."


    the 2 commandments are intimately linked because one does not take place without the other taking place.

    jesus never mentioned them seperately but instead always together.

    something that comes against one and come against the other as well. in the same way if something DOES NOT COME AGAINST ONE..........THEN IT CANNOT COME AGAINST THE OTHER.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "do we not agree that all good things come from heaven."

    Proverbs 14:12 says "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:30 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "see you are still incapable of explaining how the essence of being gay is a sin, or how it comes against the 2nd commandment. if i asked you the same about adultery, murder, or theft you would not have to rely on the law but could speak straight out how the essence of each is sin apart from the law."

    I see you are still incapable of understanding how being gay comes against the 1st commandment.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:20 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    to all

    i see you are still incapable of explaining how the essence of being gay is a sin, or how it comes against the 2nd commandment. if i asked you the same about adultery, murder, or theft you would not have to rely on the law but could speak straight out how the essence of each is sin apart from the law.

    im sure we would agree that it is not necessary for those three to be written in scripture to know they are not of god, but against him, as is affirmed in romans 1:20.

    that to say it is a sin you have to lean heavily on your interpretation of the law, which in effect means you continue to choose to be led by it, and to put yourselves and others under it...................in spite of paul's words to the contrary in romans and galatians.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:12 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    feet, not all "good" is always from God or Godly folk. This passage clearly shows that even the Godless/evil can do/give what is good. Evil doesn't necessarily always beget evil.

    Matthew 7:11
    "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:07 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    to all

    "But the difference between me and the homosexuals is that they embrace their temptation and willingly............ "

    not only that they call it good and encourage others who are also of the same orientation.

    and still the fruit of the spirit is in believing gay marriages in the same way that it is in believing heterosexual marriages.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:01 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    to all


    do we not agree that all good things come from heaven.
    if what you say is true believing gay marriages would be filled with the same fruit as those marriages that were given over to the sin nature of gal5, orgies, selfish ambition,fits of rage, drunkenous etc.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:01 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "saying that, you are in effect saying the fruit of the spirit of christ is the same as the fruit of the spirit of satan, powers and principalities, and the flesh."

    Homosexuality is a perverted form of the love that God created for a man and a woman. It is not a fruit of the spirit.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:00 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    "Guys, for the sake of clear debate please distinguish between HOMOSEXUALITY and HOMOSEXUAL ACTS. Homosexual ACTS are a sin, but homosexuality in and of itself is not. (Despite how much Prophet and salt jump up and down, scream, or cry)"

    I agree with salts answer. But I do see that you're starting to understand. I struggle with sexual sins. The temptation is always there (just as a homosexual is always tempted by homosexuality). Does that mean I'm a fornicator? Even though I refuse to succumb and act upon those urges? But the difference between me and the homosexuals is that they embrace their temptation and willingly act upon it. I have, through the power of the Holy Spirit, overcome my temptation. Homosexuals believe that God made them that way. I know that the way we were born, and the way God wants us are two different things. We are ALL born into sin. Now it's up to us to fall upon His mercy and strength to overcome that. Homosexuals refuse to acknowledge that God can change a person. I have learned that there is nothing that God can't do.

    So when I say that homosexuality is a sin. I am speaking of the act, both physically, romantically, and emotionally. Just as when I say that fornication is wrong, I am talking about the act, not the temptation. Jesus was tempted throughout His life. But he never submitted.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:53 am Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    to all

    "I say it comes from the devil."

    saying that, you are in effect saying the fruit of the spirit of christ is the same as the fruit of the spirit of satan, powers and principalities, and the flesh.

    the fruit of the spirit(gal5) love, joy, peace, kindness,patience, gentleness, self-control,faithfulness,and goodness. all of these are in gay believing marriages, in the same way they are in heterosexual believing marriages.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:56 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    feet, just because one is heterosexual does not require them to have sexual intimacy be it physical, mental, or emotional and the same is true with a homosexual as well. We are all sinners but that does not mean we are therefore required to sin. God loves us in spite of us being sinners, but He also hates sin. Sin is either doing, saying, or thinking things we should not or not doing, not saying, or not thinking the things we should! Which includes sexual intimacy outside of marriage and violating God's original and only design for marriage as found in Genesis 2:21-24!

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:32 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    SemperFideles04 »

    homosexual acts and homosexuality is all one. it is an old covenant trick to try to seperate them. under the new covenant we have long sinned in our heart whether we commit an act or not.

    there are thousands of things that make one a homosexual just as their are thousand things that make one a heterosexual from one's earliest sexual memory.

    like heterosexuality, homosexuality is about bonding with another for a shared committed life together , but in this case it is with one of the same sex. bonding in human involves a one flesh relationship because we are sexual beings.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:12 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Guys, for the sake of clear debate please distinguish between HOMOSEXUALITY and HOMOSEXUAL ACTS. Homosexual ACTS are a sin, but homosexuality in and of itself is not. (Despite how much Prophet and salt jump up and down, scream, or cry)

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:16 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Jehovahnissi »

    i agreed with you that there is sin in the world.

    you keep saying that homosexuality is a sin, but you refuse to say how it is a sin. those who say that homosexuality is a sin, credit themselves with knowing the thoughts of god..........if you claim the same credit then the answer should be easily expressed and explained.

    2 questions you still refuse to address.

    you make all these comments, but apart from believing it is against the law of scripture, you cannot explain how homosexuality is a sin. what in the the actual essence of being homosexual that makes it a sin?


    if under the new covenant you believe homosexuality is a sin, then please explain how it comes against the 2nd commandment, which under the new covennant, is the summation of all the law?

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:11 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "We are all guilty of sin until Jesus........"

    consider instead offering godly sorrow that is without regret (2cor7:7-10) instead of selling guilt that is loaded with regret( no scripture for this)

    interesting response. an understanding that was so clear that it was unable to address any of my points and what response there was without any annotation.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    The fact the I Corinthians calls homosexuality a sin.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    prophet

    "Actually, the original translation calls it a sin."



    i was referring to the transposition 1cor and 1tim. what were you referring to?

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:17 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet-

    Hate and sentences have blinded you.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:04 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "if you believe and stand on everything that is written in the ORIGINAL TRANSLATION of the epistles and of the gospels of the new testament, then you have NO CHOICE, but to declare that homosexuality is not a sin."

    Actually, the original translation calls it a sin.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:03 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Homosexual "love" is a perversion of the love that God created for a man and a woman. There is nothing beautiful about it in God's eyes.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:20 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    semper, as long as they don't have sexual intimacy with one another you're absolutely correct!

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:09 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    If a man and another man love each other deeply and make something beautiful out of that love, there is no sin involved. If they do something out of lust then it is sin. Plain and simple.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:11 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    the point of this discussion is....that if believe and stand on everything that is written in the gospels and epistles of the new testament, then you have no choice, but to conclude the the TRANSPOSITION of homosexual for "defilers of themselves with mankind" in 1tim and 1cor was incorrect.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:42 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    the point of this discussion is....... if you believe and stand on everything that is written in the ORIGINAL TRANSLATION of the epistles and of the gospels of the new testament, then you have NO CHOICE, but to declare that homosexuality is not a sin.

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