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Society|Fri, Mar. 27 2009 05:06 PM EDT

N.H. Gay Marriage Bill Advances to Senate

By Nathan Black|Christian Post Reporter

The New Hampshire House voted on Thursday to send a same-sex marriage bill to the Senate.

In a 186-179 vote, the state House passed a measure that would allow gay and lesbian couples to marry. Gov. John Lynch would not say whether he will veto the legislation, but has stated that he opposes gay marriage.

New Hampshire legalized civil unions in 2007, giving same-sex couples the same rights as heterosexual couples in marriages.

The vote comes as Vermont has also advanced a similar bill to the state House. Although the House is expected to pass the measure, Gov. Jim Douglas said this week he will veto it if it reaches his desk.

Gay rights advocates in Hawaii, meanwhile, have failed to push forward the legalization of same-sex civil unions.

The Hawaii Senate rejected on Wednesday an effort to force a vote on a measure that would give same-sex partners who enter into civil unions the same rights, benefits and responsibilities under state law as married couples, as reported by The Associated Press. The bill would also recognize civil unions, domestic partnerships and same-sex marriages performed in other states as civil unions in Hawaii.

Dennis Arakaki, executive director of the Hawaii Family Forum, praised the decision, saying, "It affirms the will of the people. Senators realized the impact of this issue. They may have been looking for rationale of how they could either avoid the issue or put it to bed," according to AP.

Last month, Hawaii Family Forum organized a rally at Hawaii State Capitol that drew thousands of people in protest of the civil unions bill and in affirmation of traditional marriage.

"We are here in the spirit of love, compassion, and grace," Arakaki said, according to AP. "But we are also here armed with the sword of truth."

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  • Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:29 am Agree: 2   Disagree: 0

    I wonder why people place so much emphasis on sexuality in regards to the legal marriage issue. Legal marriage allows people to be wedded regardless of their sexual preference. There's nothing to say that married people do or must engage in sexual activity. To my knowledge, there is not even a provision that states the married couple must love one another.

    All legal marriage does is assign a set of privileges -- power of attorney, tax arrangements, asset management arrangements, etc. -- to two people. Isn't legal marriage, in so many words, a form of business arrangement?

    Even in states that do not permit same-sex marriage, a gay man could legally marry a lesbian woman and be entitled to all the privileges that legal marriage provides.

    That said, I realize that legal marriage is specifically distinct from religious marriage -- which does prescribe a set of moral behaviors for the wedded couple -- but our courts have never discussed religious marriage.

    So again, why are we talking so much about sexuality, when legal marriage does not have anything to do with sex? (In many "no-fault" divorce states, divorce does not even require sexual unfaithfulness.)

  • Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:29 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 4

    "State by state, God is changing the minds of men. Isn't it wonderful to see the hand of God at work.'

    Well, I wouldn't say that God is behind it directly, but it is good in a way to see it happening. The Bible says in the last days that men would follow false doctrines and love themselves more than God. And to see it happening from state to state shows us that we are coming closer to His return. Though it is sad to realize that those people may end up spending eternity somewhere other than heaven, but I still pray for them.

  • Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:06 pm Agree: 5   Disagree: 0

    State by state, God is changing the minds of men. Isn't it wonderful to see the hand of God at work.

  • Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:01 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 3

    mike22685, most evangelicals believe Mary was a virgin up to the point she gave birth to Jesus and that she and Joseph had other children after Christ's birth. Most do not believe that Mary physically ascended into heaven, but rather that she died and went to heaven as all Christians who physically die.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:25 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Believer, out of curiosity because I was raised in the Catholic "bubble": What do Evangelicals tend to believe about the virgin birth or Mary's ascension into Heaven?

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    semp, please note I didn't say the Trinity was not explicitly taught in the Bible, because it it. What I said was the "word" Trinity does not appear in the Bible!

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    semp, it certainly is unless the logic one uses or draws contradicts, violates, and/or supersedes the Word of God.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:53 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I know you take the word "heathen" to be derogatory, but it simply means "unbeliever".

    Sorry if it came across wrong. There was no maliciousness intended.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:34 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, lets take a step back now. Rather than answer his question, you called him a heathen. He wasn't attacking you, why couldn't you have answered nicely. A person of Christ simply doesn't behave the way you do. What about patience and love?

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    There is a God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Three manifestations of the same God. Heathens usually have a hard time with spiritual things. It's okay if you don't understand.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    believer-

    Well since the trinity isn't explicitly in the bible and we still believe it, does that mean it is ok to draw conclusions using logic?

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    atheist, your ignorance of the Bible is clearly note, especially with regards to the dietary laws and tatoos. The dietary laws were rescinded by God in the Book of Acts and tatooing has never been a sin other than when it was associated with the worship of the dead! But God's original and only design for both marriage and sexual intimacy still remain and same-sex marriage and sex outside of marriage both violate those designs and are therefore sin in the sight of God, but if your ID is truly characteristic of yourself I'm sure that doesn't mean a thing to you anyways!!

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:30 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 1

    mike22685, the word Trinity is not found in the Bible but it is clearly taught in the Bible and the same is true with the sexual practices of homosexuality, although not called that they are taught as acts of sin in the Bible.

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:37 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Mike you said:

    " . . . surely you must know that many Bibles do not have it [the word homosexual] in them at all. You can continue believing what you'd like, but its wrong."

    Surely, you jest! For you edification here's just a small list of the Bibles I have that have the word 'homosexual' in it:

    English Standard Version
    Good News Bible
    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    Modern King James Version
    New American Standard Bible
    New English Translation
    New International Version
    New Living Translation
    Today's New International Version

    Surely, you are totally blind and deaf to the fact that you're living in sin. Why do I know that? Because the apostle Paul tells us what God does to people who continually thwart His Words:

    "So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." (Rom 9:18 NASB)

    He's hardened your heart to the truth, my dear friend. Your predicament is the same as that Paul told us about in Romans 1:

    "Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."
    (Rom 1:24-25 NASB)

    Your situation is extremely precarious! God help you, my friend!

  • Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:10 am Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Abisha, your ignorance of what you're saying abounds. There was no such word homosexual when the Bible was written, and surely you must know that many Bibles do not have it in them at all. You can continue believing what you'd like, but its wrong.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:34 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Okay Mike, let's do this one more time.

    The apostle Paul said:

    "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals . . . (1Co 6:9 NASB)

    Paul used both words, effeminate and homosexual, in this passage which provide us with a list of folks who will not inherit eternal life. These two words have different meanings.

    You said:

    " . . . its [referring to the word 'homosexual'] usually interpreted as effeminate, which doesn't mean homosexual, that's a 21st century idea."

    First of all, effeminate in the original Greek, means "a person who allows himself to be sexually abused contrary to nature."

    Homosexual means, and I'll put this nicely, "a male who lies in bed with another man." Where on earth did you ever come up with the notion that "homosexual" is a 21st century idea? Mike, that's been going on since the beginning of time. It's like Solomon says in Ecclesiastes "There's no new thing under the sun."

    During the time of Christ and the NT writings, homosexual activity was rampant especially in Rome and Corinth. That's why Paul was so condemning of it. Christians were not to engage in such behavior. And as Paul said in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, those who do will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

    The Bible is perfectly clear on this issue. Furthermore, God isn't too happy with folks who twist and manipulate His words to mean something He didn't. Isaiah 5:20-21 tells us plainly:

    "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight!" (Isa 5:20-21 NASB)

    Finally, one of the very last things Jesus Himself told us in the very last chapter of the Bible is woe be to anyone to adds to or takes away from the Book of Life.

    I'd be very, very careful if I were you. Thanks!

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:36 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Paiderasste does not seem like a very good word to be promoting as the greek word for homosexual.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:31 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I found this ~ Gk paiderastía love of boys

    [Greek paiderastes: pais, paid, child; see pedo-2 + erastes, lover (from erasthai, to love).]


    Ped"er*as'ty, n. [Gr. paiderasti'a: cf. F. p['e]d['e]rastie.] The crime against nature; sodomy.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:29 pm Agree: 1   Disagree: 0

    Abisha, its usually interpreted as effeminate, which doesn't mean homosexual, that's a 21st century idea. There are plenty of gay men who aren't effeminate, not to mention all the lesbians, as well as the straight men who are effeminate.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:14 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 2

    Well, our little AtheistNYC apparently has left us. He said:

    "And with that, I will leave 'your website' and allow you to live in ignorant, self-righteous bliss."

    Good deal! That's just one less "unbeliever" we've got to deal with.

    You know, though, when these fools start talking about shellfish, pork, and all that other stuff, they don't seem to understand nor accept the fact that God gave these particular laws only to the Israelites of the Old Testament times. Why? To keep them pure, to set them apart from all the other abominable nations that surrounded them.

    Those OT laws don't, nor have they ever, applied to Christians. Never! These people don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to the truth regarding sin, especially homosexuality.

    So they resort to twisting, manipulating, perverting, and taking totally out of context certain passages in order to support their sinful desires . . . as though in doing so, God will give them His blessings! Wrong, dudes! You're dead wrong!

    So, what does God think about those who use such asinine arguments. Read Isaiah 5:20:

    "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; who substitute bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter."

    Yeah, woe to you, dudes! And God ain't laughing.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A, I did find this on a site ~ the greek word "Paiderasste" as you quote, means "sexual relations b/t a man and a boy with the boy as a passive partner. It does not mean homosexual it is more like , pedophile.

    and another ~ He (Paul) wouldn't have used "paiderasste" (i.e., love of boys or pedophile)

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:52 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And I'm not sure how he supposedly picked apart our arguments. What he presented was nothing that we haven't heard and discounted already. But if he finds amusement, good for him. Ignorance is bliss.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Making accusations and such against others, and then running seems to be a habit among the unbelievers.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:47 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "I pity you and your need to be 'right' and bolster yourself by pointing the finger of blame and hatred at others."

    What I see here is one accusing another of bolstering themselves by claiming to be right, while claiming to be right themselves. Many so atheists and humanists speak that people should be tolerant, but are not themselves.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:40 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    abishag98- I'm always amazed that when an intelligent person points out flaws in your argument, you immediately attack the person, instead of the argument. So I will indulge myself by taking this to your level.

    I'm not a part of any 'group'. I used Google to look up relevant research. It's a shame more people don't or should I use your words "you people."

    As far as 'justifying' homosexuals, I don't have to. People don't have to justify their existence to anyone. It's when others try to impose their will on others that we need to justify actions.

    Organized religion is nothing but high school social behavior - 'We're more popular/intelligent/better/right than you! And so is our God! So there!'

    In your last statement, "This speaks volumes about your credibility to be even posting on this forum." - if the Christian Post doesn't want outside opinion, then they should limit membership. If I can enlighten one person here, then I help what I believe to be the 'better good' for humanity. Credibility? Just because you're a Christian makes you more credible? I pity you and your need to be 'right' and bolster yourself by pointing the finger of blame and hatred at others.

    I am just challenging your intellect that the higher powers gave you. Once challenged, your true nature appears - simple hatred and insecurity.

    And with that, I will leave 'your website' and allow you to live in ignorant, self-righteous bliss.

    Just remember, if you eat shrimp or pork, you're just as bad as homosexuals!

    (Totally rolling on the floor laughing at how easy it is to pick apart the arguments here!)

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:38 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    A, can you direct me to a greek translation site that translates paiderasste into the english word homosexual? I have not yet found a greek translation site the recognizes paiderasste.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Actually, "men having sex with men" is pretty precise in it's interpretation.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:21 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "And you still haven't answered my question about the 611 laws within the Toebah - do you personally follow all the laws within the Toebah?"

    Actually, I did.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:19 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yo AtheistNYC! Dude, your moniker gives you away . . . as well as the source you use to poorly justify homosexuals. I went to this site you quoted from and guess what I learned. They said:

    "We are a multi-faith group. As of 2008-FEB, we consist of one Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Wiccan and Zen Buddhist."

    Yeah, they're your buddies . . . no more Christian than a man on the moon. This speaks volumes about your credibility to be even posting on this forum. First, we get a bunch of homo's spouting their trash on here. Then, seeing they ain't doing much good, they enlist the help of people like you . . . atheists!

    Ha! You people are just unbelievable!

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:15 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    These translations generally interpret...

    <chuckle>

    'Generally' meaning they are not exact. Given my passage utilizing the actual Greek language for 'homosexual', I would say your strict interpretation is inherently flawed.

    And you still haven't answered my question about the 611 laws within the Toebah - do you personally follow all the laws within the Toebah?

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "These translations generally interpret the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" as referring to homosexuals"

    That's because that's what they mean.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    And to respond to your quote utilizing Greek...

    "But further examination found the reason. Using an Protestant English translation of the Bible, conservative Christians believe that the validity of the two anti-homosexual "clobber" passages in Leviticus has been verified by passages in Paul's Epistles. The NIV and KJV of the Bible clearly condemn homosexual behavior at 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1:28 in the Christian Scriptures. These translations generally interpret the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" as referring to homosexuals.

    We can be fairly certain that this is not the meaning that Paul wanted to convey. If he had, he would have used the Greek word "paiderasste." That was the standard term at the time for male homosexuals. We can conclude that he probably meant something different from persons who engaged in male-male adult sexual behavior. Down through the years, Christians have interpreted these words as referring to people of lacking a high moral standing, or to masturbators, or to men who sexually abuse boys, or to boys who are the victims of sexual abuse. Interpreting these passages as referring to sexually active homosexuals is simply the latest in a long series of attempts to make sense out of obscure words. The precise meaning is unknown."

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:56 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Learn the difference between ceremonial, criminal, and civil law, then you'll understand. Jesus did away with the ceremonial laws.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Sorry... meant to give the source for my quote:

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh2.htm

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:54 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Prophet, I would take a guess that you don't follow all the laws of the 'Toebah' which was a collection of laws.

    How do you justify only selecting out certain laws and not others? Please explain.

    "21st century Christians are free to wear tattoos, eat shrimp, pork or rare meat, wear polyester-cotton blends, seed their lawns with a grass mixture, and get their hair cut. But most conservative Christians consider homosexual behavior -- and sometimes merely having a homosexual orientation -- as taboo. At first, we were unable to find any logical explanation that would justify conservative Christians concentrating so much on these two laws against homosexuality while abandoning most of the remaining 611 Mosaic laws."

    Sorry Prophet, but you got 'lost in translation' once again...

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:48 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "abusers of themselves with mankind"

    That comes from the greek word ""arsenokoites". "arsen" which means "man, or male" and "koites" to have sex, conceive"

    So, yes "abusers of themselves with mankind" was translated incorrectly. It should be translated "homosexual".

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    It all comes down to who translated the Bible and then the interpretation of the reader:

    The King James Version of the Bible translates verse 9 and 10 of Corinthians as:

    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

    I don't see homosexuality mentioned in the King James version. Is this the version you use? Or do you choose to use a 'version' that suits your beliefs so that you can use it as a device of hatred and ignorance?

    The fact that 'versions' of the Bible exist prove that the interpretation of the Bible by human being could be inherently flawed.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:42 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    According to the Word of God, homosexuality is an abomination.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:41 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Let me clarify then. The hebrew word "toebah" which is used in the Old Testament means "abomination, disgusting"

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:32 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Okay Mike, you said:

    "You're wrong, and there are plenty of scholars who agree! Stop slandering my name now, thanks!"

    Dude, tell me one Bible out there that doesn't interpret 1 Cor. 6:9-10 as "homosexual." Just one.

    Oh, by the way man, I'm not slandering you at all . . . you're the one who's saying you're a homosexual. Now, tell me the Bible where your so-called "reputed" scholars interpret the 1 Cor. 6:9-10 as anything other than homosexuals. I'd like to read it. Thanks!

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:28 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    That's my point Prophet, they never used the word 'abomination.' That was the Western, non-Judaic translation and therefore, flawed.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:18 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    According to the hebrew language "abomination" means "abomination, abhorrence, disgusting"

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:16 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "You try to compare things that are incomparable and fail at your attempts to reverse my logic."

    Interesting.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:08 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I encourage all the self-proclaimed Biblical experts to please rent the movie "For the Bible Tells Me So..."

    http://www.forthebibletellsmeso.org/

    Just because you read the Bible, does not make you an 'expert' on the Bible. The actual translation about homosexuality being an 'abomination' actually reads 'not of our tradition.' Many professors of history, religion, sociology, and anthropology will tell you that the Old Testament of the Bible is nothing but a survival story of the Jewish people (and religion). The Jewish nation needed procreation for their survival therefore any activities that wasted male seed were frowned upon.

    Please, stop simply repeating what you are told and actually dig deeper - you may be surprised by what you find.

    If any of you have eaten shellfish, using your logic and using the strict Biblical interpretation, you are just as dammed as every homosexual. You can't selectively choose what to follow by the letter of the law and what to follow by the spirit of the law, because if you can, why can't everyone else?

    I am stunned by how many "Christians" use their faith that is (supposedly) based on love and forgiveness to espouse hate and discrimination.

    Christianity has been responsible for much of the violence and hatred of the last 1900 years. Christians used their religion to justify slavery and the discrimination of women.

    Look at yourselves in the mirror... and ask yourself... are you sure you know your God's will?

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:59 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You try to compare things that are incomparable and fail at your attempts to reverse my logic.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:55 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    "the word homosexual was not around when the Bible was written."

    That's debatable. But the actions of homosexuality were, and were described, and were considered an abomination before God.

    "Homosexuality is a sexual orientation"

    It is an action. It may be a genetic predisposition, but so is sexual addiction. I have chosen to allow God to change my predisposition. Why don't you?

    "that I don't believe anything God has to say) you are slandering."

    Insomuch as saying I'm wrong is slander.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:23 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    You're wrong, and there are plenty of scholars who agree! Stop slandering my name now, thanks!

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:22 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Give it up Mike! You're wrong and you know it! The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. It's been translated by the best Bible scholars in the world. They did not "mis-interpret" what Paul said or what Jesus said or what any other of the writers of the Bible wrote. YOU DID!!!!

    And you do so only to, as I've said earlier, you do so to pervert and twist the Scriptures to justify your sins. Get over it man! Get on your knees and pray to Jesus, the only One who can save your soul . . . before it's too late.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:13 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    I am so sick of you folks bashing gays as if you know the whole story. It simply is not true that we spit at the word of God and that it means nothing to us. Abisha, the word homosexual was not around when the Bible was written, so that was INTERPRETED in. It is NOT the original word of God, so you should probably stop laughing.

    Prophet, you are wrong! Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, lying is not. Lying is an action, sexual orientation is a part of you like hair color, eye color, skin color, etc. I could say "Sorry for being gay" but I would still be gay.

    There is a big difference between trying to tell me the word of God and slandering me. When you begin saying things that aren't true and that you could not possibly know (i.e. that I don't believe anything God has to say) you are slandering.

  • Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:45 pm Agree: 0   Disagree: 0

    Yo Prophet! Hey man, you're really wasting your time and your sanity by "debating" with our little buddy, Mike. He's 100% for homosexuality and all things pertaining to it. God, Jesus, His Word . . . nothing will ever detour his justification for his sins. Nothing!

    Homosexuals are like alcoholics. You can never convince them that they're alcoholics . . . until they, themselves "see the light." So, like alcoholics who don't see their drinking as a sin or a problem to society, so are homosexuals . . . they don't see their sordid behavior as a sin or a problem to society.

    They're not totally hopeless, but close to it. In most instances, these people will die from the ravages of their sins, be it from drinking or from aberrant sexual activity. The really bad side of it is that they don't see the untold damage it does for those around them.

    Why is that? Because their whole mindset is simply: "It's all about me . . . and to Hades with anyone who disagrees with me . . . including God." What a travesty!

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